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I just listened to tonights PBW with Dugdale. When they asked Mark about his religion & bodybuilding, he said "I hate religion". He than goes on with his theory on how he views his beliefs (some complicated explanation that I wont even try to understand). He compares bodybuilding to alcohol and rock music. He talks about how we can honor our body for Jesus. I just dont see how he can say that he hates religion when he's obviously so committed to it. Can any of you religious scholars explain this. For the Love of God... ;D
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I just listened to tonights PBW with Dugdale. When they asked Mark about his religion & bodybuilding, he said "I hate religion". He than goes on with his theory on how he views his beliefs (some complicated explanation that I wont even try to understand). He compares bodybuilding to alcohol and rock music. He talks about how we can honor our body for Jesus. I just dont see how he can say that he hates religion when he's obviously so committed to it. Can any of you religious scholars explain this. For the Love of God... ;D
I hate religion.... all it causes is hate and destruction. Why not be a deist?
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"Religion" is what people go to War over, not their love of God/Jesus, which Mark clearly stated was a "Personal Relationship" for him.
Religion is Man Made and Organized to fit into whatever agenda Man creates for himself by way of adding followers to their campaign of personal gain to Glorify Christ. :-\
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"Religion" is what people go to War over, not their love of God/Jesus, which Mark clearly stated was a "Personal Relationship" for him.
Religion is Man Made and Organized to fit into whatever agenda Man creates for himself by way of adding followers to their campaign of personal gain to Glorify Christ. :-\
Yes everyone gets into heaven!!
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I'll take a stab.
I think Religion asked the question: what must I DO to become a child of God. I think it deals with quantity (i.e., how much), and frequency (how often) of the "goodness" that I would do so He would recognize me.
Faith deals more with relationships than actions. God makes me His child when I accept the salvation of His Son. Since I'm no longer bound by actions to get right with God, my attitude is more, well now that I'm right with God, and that I'm a child of His, how can I live a life worthy of that relationship.
As we all come from families, we all know that our parents love us often in spite of ourselves. We mess up, we disappoint them, we embarrass them, but we never think that by messing up, we lose our relationship with them. Because we love our parents, we want to do right by them, at least most of the time. It's different though from saying, I have to do right by them to get them to love me and be my parents. They ARE your parents, and will always be.
If the Christian God gives you an opportunity to accept Him thru faith, and you know you don't have to work for it, How would you repay Him? The answer is you couldn't, but you could live a life not to embarrass Him, and perhaps get to know Him better by talking to Him, reading and hearing what He has to say about Himself, you, and the plans He may have for you, which more times than not, are better options than what you would pick for yourself.
Not a bad deal.
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"Religion" is what people go to War over, not their love of God/Jesus, which Mark clearly stated was a "Personal Relationship" for him.
Religion is Man Made and Organized to fit into whatever agenda Man creates for himself by way of adding followers to their campaign of personal gain to Glorify Christ. :-\
Exactly, good explaination!!
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Yes everyone gets into heaven!!
Sorry to break it to you... there's no such place.
Death, by definition, is the end of life. "Afterlife" is a fairy tale invented for children and the weak.
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Sorry to break it to you... there's no such place.
Death, by definition, is the end of life. "Afterlife" is a fairy tale invented for children and the weak.
k ::)
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I hate religion.... all it causes is hate and destruction. Why not be a deist?
I do not believe in God (from a logical, rational, scientific and objective point of view)
However, I do believe in Adonis and The Leafy Bug...The Natural Ideals
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Sorry to break it to you... there's no such place.
Death, by definition, is the end of life. "Afterlife" is a fairy tale invented for children and the weak.
Thanks for clearing this up, Goat. Now, will you please go end the "Truce" debate as well.
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I'll take a stab.
I think Religion asked the question: what must I DO to become a child of God. I think it deals with quantity (i.e., how much), and frequency (how often) of the "goodness" that I would do so He would recognize me.
Faith deals more with relationships than actions. God makes me His child when I accept the salvation of His Son. Since I'm no longer bound by actions to get right with God, my attitude is more, well now that I'm right with God, and that I'm a child of His, how can I live a life worthy of that relationship.
As we all come from families, we all know that our parents love us often in spite of ourselves. We mess up, we disappoint them, we embarrass them, but we never think that by messing up, we lose our relationship with them. Because we love our parents, we want to do right by them, at least most of the time. It's different though from saying, I have to do right by them to get them to love me and be my parents. They ARE your parents, and will always be.
If the Christian God gives you an opportunity to accept Him thru faith, and you know you don't have to work for it, How would you repay Him? The answer is you couldn't, but you could live a life not to embarrass Him, and perhaps get to know Him better by talking to Him, reading and hearing what He has to say about Himself, you, and the plans He may have for you, which more times than not, are better options than what you would pick for yourself.
Not a bad deal.
Well said man.
If anyone wants to know how to accept this free gift from God, in exchange for a sin-filled life
Pm me and i'll lead you in prayer to accept Jesus as your personal Saviour!
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Thanks for clearing this up, Goat. Now, will you please go end the "Truce" debate as well.
Glad I could help! :D
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Death, by definition, is the end of life.
Death is just the beginning of being Dead
Dieing to die because Death is our Friend
DEATH SPOPRRTTT!
two men will fight only one will die, he is the winner,
DEATH IS HIS PRIZE
DEATH SPORT
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I'll take a stab.
I think Religion asked the question: what must I DO to become a child of God. I think it deals with quantity (i.e., how much), and frequency (how often) of the "goodness" that I would do so He would recognize me.
Faith deals more with relationships than actions. God makes me His child when I accept the salvation of His Son. Since I'm no longer bound by actions to get right with God, my attitude is more, well now that I'm right with God, and that I'm a child of His, how can I live a life worthy of that relationship.
As we all come from families, we all know that our parents love us often in spite of ourselves. We mess up, we disappoint them, we embarrass them, but we never think that by messing up, we lose our relationship with them. Because we love our parents, we want to do right by them, at least most of the time. It's different though from saying, I have to do right by them to get them to love me and be my parents. They ARE your parents, and will always be.
If the Christian God gives you an opportunity to accept Him thru faith, and you know you don't have to work for it, How would you repay Him? The answer is you couldn't, but you could live a life not to embarrass Him, and perhaps get to know Him better by talking to Him, reading and hearing what He has to say about Himself, you, and the plans He may have for you, which more times than not, are better options than what you would pick for yourself.
Not a bad deal.
Very well put! I enjoy this theory and the parent analogy! Humanity is imperfect and the best we can do is be good people and try to help others and use the gifts that God gave us to help others realize the bliss of having a relationship with God. Some people have told me that they feel silly praying... I just look at it like a conversation. Prayer doesn't have to be formal, it truly is a personal thing!
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Sorry to break it to you... there's no such place.
Death, by definition, is the end of life. "Afterlife" is a fairy tale invented for children and the weak.
Ah I see you can detect sarcasm from a mile away..
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Glad I could help! :D
The dog chooses to lap up its own vomit rather than continue on with the lovemaking. I've certainly enjoyed some meals, but I have never been this hungry.
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The dog chooses to lap up its own vomit rather than continue on with the lovemaking. I've certainly enjoyed some meals, but I have never been this hungry.
i hate that gif
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Exactly, good explaination!!
Yet you probably choose to believe Christ is the messiah and not Mohammed. If you believe Christ is the messiah then you also probably believe the bible is the word of god. If that is the case you probably also believe a gay person will not get into heaven no matter the relation he or she has with God. And I'll guess you probably don't expect to meet any muslims in heaven either.
Good explanation indeed!!
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I just listened to tonights PBW with Dugdale. When they asked Mark about his religion & bodybuilding, he said "I hate religion". He than goes on with his theory on how he views his beliefs (some complicated explanation that I wont even try to understand). He compares bodybuilding to alcohol and rock music. He talks about how we can honor our body for Jesus. I just dont see how he can say that he hates religion when he's obviously so committed to it. Can any of you religious scholars explain this. For the Love of God... ;D
hes not committed to religion. he is committed to the creator of the universe. and read shawns response.
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I feel religious like god get when he preys.
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thanks goatboy for telling the adult truth...the universe is 15 Billion years old and it was created by Science
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Yet you probably choose to believe Christ is the messiah and not Mohammed. If you believe Christ is the messiah then you also probably believe the bible is the word of god. If that is the case you probably also believe a gay person will not get into heaven no matter the relation he or she has with God. And I'll guess you probably don't expect to meet any muslims in heaven either.
You probably speak for most Christian-hating generalizers, you open-minded champion of tolerance, you.
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thanks goatboy for telling the adult truth...the universe is 15 Billion years old and it was created by Science
im older then that
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I just listened to tonights PBW with Dugdale. When they asked Mark about his religion & bodybuilding, he said "I hate religion". He than goes on with his theory on how he views his beliefs (some complicated explanation that I wont even try to understand). He compares bodybuilding to alcohol and rock music. He talks about how we can honor our body for Jesus. I just dont see how he can say that he hates religion when he's obviously so committed to it. Can any of you religious scholars explain this. For the Love of God... ;D
not a religious scholar...but I'll give it a shot:
1. Jesus was NOT a religious man. Biggest misconception of him...and it's a shame that he's been reduced to being a "religious figure" such as buddha or muhammed. In fact, this is why Jesus NEVER joined any "religious community" such as the Sanhedrin council or any other religious organization of his time.
2. Jesus did NOT bring a religion. He never spoke of a religion or beginning "christianity" as we know it today. Read your Bible.
3. The ONLY people Jesus ever got angry with and rebuked were.................... .........RELIGIOUS PEOPLE!! The high priests, pharisees, sudducees etc.
4. RELIGION = hate, war, malice, rules, regulations, competition, hate crimes, murder, suicide bombings, genocide, holocaust etc. etc. etc.
my conclusion thus far....yeah religion sucks! :o
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thanks goatboy for telling the adult truth...the universe is 15 Billion years old and it was created by Science
I wasn't aware that Science "creates". By definition, Science is the study of repeatable processes in nature.
The issue is how those processes came into being? How did they originate, and how the original catalysts were formed. Science can study those processes and catalysts, but it cannot explain origins.
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"Religion" is what people go to War over, not their love of God/Jesus, which Mark clearly stated was a "Personal Relationship" for him.
Religion is Man Made and Organized to fit into whatever agenda Man creates for himself by way of adding followers to their campaign of personal gain to Glorify Christ. :-\
thats right, and in every religion you have folks like that. its the ignorance, hate and insecurity that fucks everything up.
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You probably speak for most Christian-hating generalizers, you open-minded champion of tolerance, you.
I don't hate anybody really. I also don't believe in a heaven where some people will get into and others won't because they choose to live their life in a different way then me.
To me this is just logical but if it sounds open-minded to you well then thank you I guess.
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thanks goatboy for telling the adult truth...the universe is 15 Billion years old and it was created by Science
It wasn't "created," you fairy taler. It BANGED on its own. It wasn't, then it was. Something from nothing.
Hmm ...
In 8th grade science, Mr. Seymour said this was a fairy tale.
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JESUS WAS FROM NAZARIA
HOPE THIS HELPS
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Sorry to break it to you... there's no such place.
Death, by definition, is the end of life. "Afterlife" is a fairy tale invented for children and the weak.
what about all that spiritual stuff - people seeing their own bodies, going down the tunnel, coming back, etc?
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JESUS WAS FROM NAZARIA
The Jesuses I grew up with were mostly Southsiders.
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thanks goatboy for telling the adult truth...the universe is 15 Billion years old and it was created by Science
Sure he is......prove the universe is "15 billion years old".
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Sure he is......prove the universe is "15 billion years old".
Since when does a religious man need proof? But according to the bible the earth is now what, like 6000 years old? Tons of proof exists the earth is much older than that.
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Sure he is......prove the universe is "15 billion years old".
Coach,
yes or no - do you believe the bible's claim the earth is only 6000 years old?
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Coach,
yes or no - do you believe the bible's claim the earth is only 6000 years old?
This is silly.
Carbon dating has proven with pinpoint accuracy the earth is precisely 4.5 billion to eleventy googillion years old. They think it started on a Tuesday.
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This is silly.
Carbon dating has proven with pinpoint accuracy the earth is precisely 4.5 billion to eleventy googillion years old. They think it started on a Tuesday.
LOL..hahahaha ;D
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LOL..hahahaha ;D
dont forget noah and the whale
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If you really want to have any answers to what we are ect...Do some DMT...After doing that, you will probably realise that we are all just bacteria...Dmt opens your mind to other dimensions which are all around us...
The answers to the universe are known by many people...And religion has nothing to do with it...Its simply something that is programmed within us to have "faith"
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The answers to the universe are known by many people...And religion has nothing to do with it...Its simply something that is programmed within us to have "faith"
So you really think that many people have the answers huh?
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Jesus would be apalled at the things man has done, is doing and will do in his name.
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Since when does a religious man need proof? But according to the bible the earth is now what, like 6000 years old? Tons of proof exists the earth is much older than that.
The bible doesnt state that the earth is 6000 years, it merely states that man has been on the earth for 6000 years. And as for the earth being created in a week by god, what is a week to god?
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Dmt opens your mind to other dimensions which are all around us...
Christianity is wacky, though ...
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I just listened to tonights PBW with Dugdale. When they asked Mark about his religion & bodybuilding, he said "I hate religion". He than goes on with his theory on how he views his beliefs (some complicated explanation that I wont even try to understand). He compares bodybuilding to alcohol and rock music. He talks about how we can honor our body for Jesus. I just dont see how he can say that he hates religion when he's obviously so committed to it. Can any of you religious scholars explain this. For the Love of God... ;D
Jesus himself hated religion. He cast out the pharisees from the temple because they were all about religisosity, new the word, but were hollow vessels.
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I'll take a stab.
I think Religion asked the question: what must I DO to become a child of God. I think it deals with quantity (i.e., how much), and frequency (how often) of the "goodness" that I would do so He would recognize me.
Faith deals more with relationships than actions. God makes me His child when I accept the salvation of His Son. Since I'm no longer bound by actions to get right with God, my attitude is more, well now that I'm right with God, and that I'm a child of His, how can I live a life worthy of that relationship.
As we all come from families, we all know that our parents love us often in spite of ourselves. We mess up, we disappoint them, we embarrass them, but we never think that by messing up, we lose our relationship with them. Because we love our parents, we want to do right by them, at least most of the time. It's different though from saying, I have to do right by them to get them to love me and be my parents. They ARE your parents, and will always be.
If the Christian God gives you an opportunity to accept Him thru faith, and you know you don't have to work for it, How would you repay Him? The answer is you couldn't, but you could live a life not to embarrass Him, and perhaps get to know Him better by talking to Him, reading and hearing what He has to say about Himself, you, and the plans He may have for you, which more times than not, are better options than what you would pick for yourself.
Not a bad deal.
Well put.
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"Religion" is what people go to War over, not their love of God/Jesus, which Mark clearly stated was a "Personal Relationship" for him.
Religion is Man Made and Organized to fit into whatever agenda Man creates for himself by way of adding followers to their campaign of personal gain to Glorify Christ. :-\
Irrationality is what breeds all of that to begin with. If you promote any kind of irrationality (including deism), it's just a matter of time before wars and mass destruction takes place.
People who don't believe things without reasons (let's call them "sane people") tend to commit fewer murders, other crimes, and start wars to begin with.
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People who don't believe things without reasons (let's call them "sane people") tend to commit fewer murders, other crimes, and start wars to begin with.
Like Stalin.
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1. Jesus was NOT a religious man. Biggest misconception of him...and it's a shame that he's been reduced to being a "religious figure" such as buddha or muhammed. In fact, this is why Jesus NEVER joined any "religious community" such as the Sanhedrin council or any other religious organization of his time.
2. Jesus did NOT bring a religion. He never spoke of a religion or beginning "christianity" as we know it today. Read your Bible.
3. The ONLY people Jesus ever got angry with and rebuked were.................... .........RELIGIOUS PEOPLE!! The high priests, pharisees, sudducees etc.
4. RELIGION = hate, war, malice, rules, regulations, competition, hate crimes, murder, suicide bombings, genocide, holocaust etc. etc. etc.
my conclusion thus far....yeah religion sucks! :o
This "religion" stuff is semantics.
1. He was a Jew with a spiritual belief system; he, therefore, was religious.
2. He brought The Word; if we believe, we are religious.
3. EVERYONE Jesus interacted with was somehow affiliated.
4. RELIGION has done more good for the world than bad by far.
My conclusion thus far: Religion isn't bad; man often is.
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... and men practicing Islam take the cake. By far.
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not a religious scholar...but I'll give it a shot:
1. Jesus was NOT a religious man. Biggest misconception of him...and it's a shame that he's been reduced to being a "religious figure" such as buddha or muhammed. In fact, this is why Jesus NEVER joined any "religious community" such as the Sanhedrin council or any other religious organization of his time.
2. Jesus did NOT bring a religion. He never spoke of a religion or beginning "christianity" as we know it today. Read your Bible.
3. The ONLY people Jesus ever got angry with and rebuked were.................... .........RELIGIOUS PEOPLE!! The high priests, pharisees, sudducees etc.
4. RELIGION = hate, war, malice, rules, regulations, competition, hate crimes, murder, suicide bombings, genocide, holocaust etc. etc. etc.
my conclusion thus far....yeah religion sucks! :o
where did you get your info from with regards to jesus not being religious? I just recently read something and it agrees with your statements.
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My conclusion thus far: Religion isn't bad; man often is.
Religion has and will always be a limiting factor for progress. People of science have been deemed heretics throughout the ages. Like the people who believed the earth to be round, the people who believed the universe did not revolve around the earth and more recent the people who believe the earth is much, much older than 6000 years.
Who has history proven to be correct in most cases, oh I'm sorry make that all cases?
Another fine example of recent Christianity is the ban on condoms, yeah that's real smart thinking.
But the worst part is the whole simplistic idea of a being you must obey or else you'll be damned forever and the fact that people actually accept that! If god created us in his image then he especially succeeded with the dictators of this world. Like Stalin for example who you mentioned earlier..
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Religion has and will always be a limiting factor for progress.
Tell that to American blacks, whose freedom was spearheaded by Christians. Or is social progress not as valuable?
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Another fine example of recent Christianity is the ban on condoms, yeah that's real smart thinking.
I missed this. To which Christian denomination are you referring?
If god created us in his image then he especially succeeded with the dictators of this world. Like Stalin for example who you mentioned earlier..
Here you sound pissed at God when you should be upset with a free-willing Stalin, who forbade religion while systematically executing God-fearing Christians.
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If Mark has a "personal relationship" with God/Jesus, and "hates religion," does Mark go to church then?
Wouldn't you be better off staying home with the kids, lest they get molested by some priest?
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Coach, you didn't answer.
Do yo believe the bible timeline that the earth is only 6,000 years old?
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Sorry to break it to you... there's no such place.
Death, by definition, is the end of life. "Afterlife" is a fairy tale invented for children and the weak.
To be fair, nobody knows that for certain, but all the evidence we have would point to you being correct. The entire concept of an afterlife is beyond our ontology.
Like Stalin.
I love the classic religious rebuttal citing ONE example and trying to pawn it off as being representative of the whole. Statistically, on the average, there are far more of every type of crime committed by religious people versus non-religious people. In other words, for every one example of a crime that you list caused by a non-religious person, I can list several caused by religious people. Furthermore, Stalin did not commit crimes in the name of atheism. Atheism has no doctrine and that in and of itself makes it very safe from a sociological point of view.
Epic truth. Now even if I'm all wrong about this, the truth is "god" (should one exist) gave everyone on earth every possible bit of tangible information to believe what I just said. If there is a god, he's giving us every reason to see him as perfectly hidden. I don't expect very religious people to understand this. I look at religion as being a disease with varying levels. It would be like me trying to explain the sense of smell to someone lacking an olfactory epithelium. The fact is, that is virtually impossible to do. What stops me from having meltdowns when "debating" with overly religious people these days is to realize they have a type of psychological flaw/disease and is beyond their control or my control to treat.
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So you really think that many people have the answers huh?
yes i believe their are a group or groups of people that run the world that know "the secret" to exactly what we are and why were here ect...Its also makes sense to why for as far back as we know that human beings have always been slaves...I believe we were made for a purpose and if we really knew what that purpose was, their would be mass suicides...
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yes i believe their are a group or groups of people that run the world that know "the secret" to exactly what we are and why were here ect...Its also makes sense to why for as far back as we know that human beings have always been slaves...I believe we were made for a purpose and if we really knew what that purpose was, their would be mass suicides...
I'd bet my physical life that NO ONE knows the answer!
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What stops me from having meltdowns when "debating" with overly religious people these days is to realize they have a type of psychological flaw/disease and is beyond their control or my control to treat.
Illustrates why I usually avoid these, too: the arrogance. The condescending, academia-fed 'too smart for God so go fuck yourself' arrogance. You're no less a cliche' than the "overly religious" you belittle.
And I ain't even one of 'em ... but you wouldn't understand.
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Extra terrestrials created modern man.
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I believe we were made for a purpose and if we really knew what that purpose was, their would be mass suicides...
I'd bet my physical life that NO ONE knows the answer!
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
- Ecclesiastes 12:13,14 (KJV)
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Tell that to American blacks, whose freedom was spearheaded by Christians. Or is social progress not as valuable?
Social progess are you kidding me? Slaves were kept by christians! The whole nation was christian 'for god's sake'. In this day and age who is limiting social progress? Who will not allow homosexual people the same rights as heterosexuals?
This is what happens all the time when you debate religion with religious people. They completely ignore the numerous facts and questions put on the table and put up another (a bogus one in this case) with semi-relevance and think that's that. This is of course not surprising as ignoring facts is a big part of religion.
Religious people will call the 'endlösung' an act of man, a tsunami an act of nature and somehow their god has no power or inclination to intervene. Yet when something completety insignificant in their own lifes happens, like when score a freakin touchdown, they thank their god.
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I missed this. To which Christian denomination are you referring?
The pope.
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Look there are a lot of religious nut cases out there causing a lot of problems but there are also a lot of good Christians doing good work especially for charity. As with everything there is the good and the bad - I'm not sure which outweighs which.
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I think Catholicism is a bit of a joke with its no condoms allowed policy.
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These same clowns that claim they dont believe in god, beg for god's help when something goes wrong in their lives. How do you think we got here? Dont give me that crap we came from a funny species or the earth move a certain way and here we are ::). These so called experts dont know anything. They must have died and came back to tell us their theory. Once you die you will know the answer. I cant wait to hear what True Anus have to say.
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Social progess are you kidding me? Slaves were kept by christians! The whole nation was christian 'for god's sake'. In this day and age who is limiting social progress? Who will not allow homosexual people the same rights as heterosexuals?
This is what happens all the time when you debate religion with religious people. They completely ignore the numerous facts and questions put on the table and put up another (a bogus one in this case) with semi-relevance and think that's that. This is of course not surprising as ignoring facts is a big part of religion.
Religious people will call the 'endlösung' an act of man, a tsunami an act of nature and somehow their god has no power or inclination to intervene. Yet when something completety insignificant in their own lifes happens, like when score a freakin touchdown, they thank their god.
fuck all the homosexuals they all deserve to die and they do not deserve to get married only man and women can get married not man and drag queen or 2 dikes. but if your gay there is nothing wrong with that :P
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Social progess are you kidding me? Slaves were kept by christians! The whole nation was christian 'for god's sake'. In this day and age who is limiting social progress? Who will not allow homosexual people the same rights as heterosexuals?
This is what happens all the time when you debate religion with religious people. They completely ignore the numerous facts and questions put on the table and put up another (a bogus one in this case) with semi-relevance and think that's that. This is of course not surprising as ignoring facts is a big part of religion.
Religious people will call the 'endlösung' an act of man, a tsunami an act of nature and somehow their god has no power or inclination to intervene. Yet when something completety insignificant in their own lifes happens, like when score a freakin touchdown, they thank their god.
Ouch!!!!!!!
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fuck all the homosexuals they all deserve to die and they do not deserve to get married only man and women can get married not man and drag queen or 2 dikes. but if your gay there is nothing wrong with that :P
Hi Derek!
Still in denial, I see.....
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Hi Derek!
Still in denial, I see.....
i am not a pillow biter
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In this day and age who is limiting social progress? Who will not allow homosexual people the same rights as heterosexuals?
You keep coming back to this. It's maybe too personal. God doesn't like what you do with your pee pee and your poo poo and you blame Christians.
We won't get anywhere here, so I'll get back to my slaves, my condom burnings, and my thanking God for touchdowns. You get back to Will and Grace.
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"Religion" is what people go to War over, not their love of God/Jesus, which Mark clearly stated was a "Personal Relationship" for him.
Religion is Man Made and Organized to fit into whatever agenda Man creates for himself by way of adding followers to their campaign of personal gain to Glorify Christ. :-\
"Some people",who speak of love dont understand what the love(God) is.
Shawn,thats why there are many conflicts around you.
Hope this help.
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as long as if you live a good life you don't have to be scared of death
one should respect every person,be nice and shouldn't do damage to anyone
i don't care about religions..
i believe that theres a god and everyone who is a respectful and a good person will get something for that
maybe a life after death--- i don't know..
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as long as if you live a good life you don't have to be scared of death
one should respect every person,be nice and shouldn't do damage to anyone
i don't care about religions..
i believe that theres a god and everyone who is a respectful and a good person will get something for that
maybe a life after death--- i don't know..
Bro. Wake up.
Good or Bad is like being in the Matrix. THERE IS NO GOOD AND BAD. ALL OF THEM ARE POINT OF VIEW OF SELFISH HUMAN_BEING.
Also you cant do good thing or bad thing. Because:
1: All of things you thinks are due to your physical and environmental reasons.Thus your personality dont exist.Since you dont have your original personality,How can you do things which you are responsible for?
2: Even if you can do bad things,you cant know what will be the end of the things which are related to your bad behaver.
For example, Do you know who contribute most to Anti-racism action?
Martin luther king? NOPE! Answer:Adolf Hitler.
Because what he had done slap those faces of everybody, and it made people wake up and stand up against racism.
So vice versa, even if you save someone,you cant contribute that "someone"s happiness forever. If bad thing occur to that person in the future,ITS YOUR FAULT. Because,things happen like domino in this universe(Karma).
Well,I think now you understand how you(we) are beyond good and bad. In this universe,only exist causality and effect. That is producing the existence.
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do you wanna say god lies? ;D
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do you wanna say god lies? ;D
God is beyond words. Lie is coming from totaly truth. So lie is also a child of God.
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ok
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Extra terrestrials created modern man.
agreed...Hell we can clone almost anything now...But alot of people still believe in Santa Claus i guess...
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Bro. Wake up.
Good or Bad is like being in the Matrix. THERE IS NO GOOD AND BAD. ALL OF THEM ARE POINT OF VIEW OF SELFISH HUMAN_BEING.
Also you cant do good thing or bad thing. Because:
1: All of things you thinks are due to your physical and environmental reasons.Thus your personality dont exist.Since you dont have your original personality,How can you do things which you are responsible for?
2: Even if you can do bad things,you cant know what will be the end of the things which are related to your bad behaver.
For example, Do you know who contribute most to Anti-racism action?
Martin luther king? NOPE! Answer:Adolf Hitler.
Because what he had done slap those faces of everybody, and it made people wake up and stand up against racism.
So vice versa, even if you save someone,you cant contribute that "someone"s happiness forever. If bad thing occur to that person in the future,ITS YOUR FAULT. Because,things happen like domino in this universe(Karma).
Well,I think now you understand how you(we) are beyond good and bad. In this universe,only exist causality and effect. That is producing the existence.
agree...All someone has to do is look at what is in the news today...Mike Vick..If it comes out that he slaughter pit bulls ect...Many in this country would want him strung up and killed...But is it really a bad thing? Personally to me is makes me sick...But im a product of a certain society...What about countries where they eat Dog...Are all these people which is in the millions doing the same thing as Vic in the eyes of God? Good and Bad becomes blurred...Surely God doesn't have rules for some and not others...Does He?
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agree...All someone has to do is look at what is in the news today...Mike Vick..If it comes out that he slaughter pit bulls ect...Many in this country would want him strung up and killed...But is it really a bad thing? Personally to me is makes me sick...But im a product of a certain society...What about countries where they eat Dog...Are all these people which is in the millions doing the same thing as Vic in the eyes of God? Good and Bad becomes blurred...Surely God doesn't have rules for some and not others...Does He?
It's a little different. Along with dog fighting are the claims that Vick and his cronies would line up dogs looking for the most ferocious and if one didn't fit the bill, it was executed, usually by drowning, hanging or other means. One claim is that Vick was on hand when one dog was soaked in water and electrocuted. Another claim is that one dog was taken by the legs and slammed on the ground until it was dead. That's a little different than eating dogs for food.
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If it isnt in gods will then it wasnt for you.
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It's a little different. Along with dog fighting are the claims that Vick and his cronies would line up dogs looking for the most ferocious and if one didn't fit the bill, it was executed, usually by drowning, hanging or other means. One claim is that Vick was on hand when one dog was soaked in water and electrocuted. Another claim is that one dog was taken by the legs and slammed on the ground until it was dead. That's a little different than eating dogs for food.
I don't know...Im sure their are many stories in the countries of eating dog where people do really cruel things to the dog...Look at countries where they eat monkeys...They beat them over the head with a wooden mallet at the damn dinner table...
My point is in some societies things are fine and in others they are taboo....Corrupton caught by a politition in the states is basically a slap on the wrist where corrupton caught in China is death...
Does "God" differ his opinion on these things when it comes to what is bad or good?
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I don't know...Im sure their are many stories in the countries of eating dog where people do really cruel things to the dog...Look at countries where they eat monkeys...They beat them over the head with a wooden mallet at the damn dinner table...
My point is in some societies things are fine and in others they are taboo....Corrupton caught by a politition in the states is basically a slap on the wrist where corrupton caught in China is death...
Does "God" differ his opinion on these things when it comes to what is bad or good?
Haha. Its very simple. People dont understand what the god is. Its EVERYTHING. Of course,the bad is included.
If God create the world which can make mistake,that is not God. God is perfect. Always here,there and everywhere.
But many catholics think that some places(Such as church) he is and another place(Such as war) he isnt.
So they will never seen the truth(God) of this world never!!And they cant take a breeze and relax well in any place of this universe(Always conflict).
Nobody know the meaning of modest and humble which Jesus,Buhda and another state.
They say"You had better consider yourself an ignorant person,because you will never know the truth. Concentrate on what you do.Then You are already a part(whole also) of the god(truth) and you will be happy.".
The funny thing is that Ronnie was saying samething at FLEX mag.
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I don't know...Im sure their are many stories in the countries of eating dog where people do really cruel things to the dog...Look at countries where they eat monkeys...They beat them over the head with a wooden mallet at the damn dinner table...
My point is in some societies things are fine and in others they are taboo....Corrupton caught by a politition in the states is basically a slap on the wrist where corrupton caught in China is death...
Does "God" differ his opinion on these things when it comes to what is bad or good?
i agree with with what your saying basically. I love dogs and wouldnt ever want to see mine being fought, but if the dogs are being breed only to fight and the nature of some of the breeds love fighting, then I could give a fuck with what someone else does with their dogs
It comes down to us being pussies in modern society. In Roman times life, death and sex were held in a much more realistic and natural perspecitve by society. They were not such a repressive society as we are today. Today we shun and shame our natural desires thus bottling these innate and instinctive feelings until they channel themselves into other outlets (i.e. christain celibate priests molesting children). This is a very unhealthy situation for the human soul.
Men love to kill, fuck and watch both being done. We are a violent species by nature, and without this innate trait, humans would never have ascended to the heights of civilized living as we have.
I say bring back the Arena!! Let men and beasts fight to the death. Let us celebrate and bring out from the darkness and shame the violent warrior that lurks in the heart of every man.
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Sure he is......prove the universe is "15 billion years old".
why are you so ignorant?
redshift shows how old the universe is, the further out the older it is, its a simple observable phenomenon that we have based much on in cosmology.
i dont understand why your so ignorant? creationism is wrong, it has no backing, no repeatable theories, and has already made the conclusion that god did it, before it looks at the evidence.
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and for the record as a intellectual giant :D kyomu is right. life is the god body, and there is the GOD head to which we cannot access which is infinite and perfect.
life is god.
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and for the record as a intellectual giant :D kyomu is right. life is the god body, and there is the GOD head to which we cannot access which is infinite and perfect.
life is god.
Well I am grad that somebody feel the same way in here.
By the way, my user name means
虚(Kyo)=Vacant,Not clear...etc 無(Mu)=nothing
Because The real truth of me,you and everybody and everything is beyond the comprehension.And we cant recognize it never. And Taoist and Buhdist express it in this way.
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Well I am grad
Sorry.
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Solly.
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Fly lice.
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Illustrates why I usually avoid these, too: the arrogance. The condescending, academia-fed 'too smart for God so go fuck yourself' arrogance. You're no less a cliche' than the "overly religious" you belittle.
And I ain't even one of 'em ... but you wouldn't understand.
Did I state anything at all that is untrue? It doesn't matter if I am coming across as arrogant or opinionated. The fact of the matter is that I am right given the tools we as human beings have to analyze the universe. I might be wrong, but I'm simply stating that given the senses we have, what I am saying is truth. The question "what is truth" is beyond our ontology and meaningless to even ask. Simply put - given the senses we have as human beings we CAN make some conclusions, and the conclusion that "god" in no way manifests him or herself in the physical universe is as much a fact of life as gravity is. Psychologically, religion is a type of brain disease. If you study how we view diseases, religion can be compared. Take for example, schizophrenia versus religion. Unfortunately, scientific institutions would never make such a comparison even though both show similar symptomology. One former drug addict on getbig actually said to me that I won't be able to understand "god" unless I do drugs. ::) Quite possibly the stupidest statement I've ever heard. Drugs would no doubt show that objective reality would be hard to pinpoint if it even exists at all, but to say that somehow equates to "god" is beyond idiotic. Saying the unknown is "god" is such a cheap and easy answer. I will say that there are different levels of religious people just as there are different levels or other mental diseases and some are a lot more sane and functional than others - going back to schizophrenia, some schizophrenics are far more sane and normal than others, but all of them have a flaw in their brain.
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
- Ecclesiastes 12:13,14 (KJV)
This is the kind of psycho I'm talking about.
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These same clowns that claim they dont believe in god, beg for god's help when something goes wrong in their lives. How do you think we got here? Dont give me that crap we came from a funny species or the earth move a certain way and here we are ::). These so called experts dont know anything. They must have died and came back to tell us their theory. Once you die you will know the answer. I cant wait to hear what True Anus have to say.
No I don't. Some might, but I sure as hell wouldn't. If I made a post saying that people who believe in god also believe in the tooth fairy you would probably think that is absurd right? Well for you to suggest I would pray to what I consider a fictional character is as silly to me as what I said above. I also like how Christians will never believe that a non-religious person can actually truly not believe in god, yet they don't believe in gods of other religions. Do you believe in Allah? No? Then why do you have such a hard time accepting I don't believe in your god?
Lastly, no one claimed that science produces truth. What science does is gives us the best possible explanations to natural phenomena given the tools that we have. Nobody is saying that those explanations are always the correct ones, simply the most logical and best educated conclusion we can formulate. What's the alternative? Making up stories to explain the universe like religious people do? Is it ok for us to say "I don't know" sometimes?
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Did I state anything at all that is untrue? It doesn't matter if I am coming across as arrogant or opinionated. The fact of the matter is that I am right given the tools we as human beings have to analyze the universe. I might be wrong, but I'm simply stating that given the senses we have, what I am saying is truth. The question "what is truth" is beyond our ontology and meaningless to even ask. Simply put - given the senses we have as human beings we CAN make some conclusions, and the conclusion that "god" in no way manifests him or herself in the physical universe is as much a fact of life as gravity is. Psychologically, religion is a type of brain disease. If you study how we view diseases, religion can be compared. Take for example, schizophrenia versus religion. Unfortunately, scientific institutions would never make such a comparison even though both show similar symptomology. One former drug addict on getbig actually said to me that I won't be able to understand "god" unless I do drugs. ::) Quite possibly the stupidest statement I've ever heard. Drugs would no doubt show that objective reality would be hard to pinpoint if it even exists at all, but to say that somehow equates to "god" is beyond idiotic. Saying the unknown is "god" is such a cheap and easy answer. I will say that there are different levels of religious people just as there are different levels or other mental diseases and some are a lot more sane and functional than others - going back to schizophrenia, some schizophrenics are far more sane and normal than others, but all of them have a flaw in their brain.
This is the kind of psycho I'm talking about.
the drug DMT will probably be the closest thing in the form of a drug that will let you see sh_t most couldn't even phathom....I've never used it but have read many stories about this stuff which our brains make when we sleep...DmT is in every living thing...
Google DMt and read up about it...Its some serious sh-t...
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Did I state anything at all that is untrue?
Statistically, on the average, there are far more of every type of crime committed by religious people versus non-religious people.
Atheism has no doctrine and that in and of itself makes it very safe from a sociological point of view.
Psychologically, religion is a type of brain disease.
And these logic leaps seem reasonable to you, Matt, which is nuts to me.
You seem like an intelligent guy, but we can probably agree the conversation is fruitless. I'm not arguing from a believer's standpoint (as I admit I don't know); you, though, are quite certain I'm insane for even considering the possibility.
Dead end.
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Psychologically, religion is a type of brain disease. If you study how we view diseases, religion can be compared.
LOL! There must've been a mass infection of this disease accross the nation after 9/11 ::)
Let's see, after 9/11 there was a record number of Bible sales....
and that sunday every church from cali to NY was overflowing with "infected" americans.... :-\
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And the killers who flew the planes into the WTC said "GOD IS GREAT" (allah uh akbah) before they did that.
The president of the US is "pro life" based on his religious beliefs. He is also a big supporter of the gun lobby, a supporter of the death penalty, and he started a war that caused a minimum of 450,000 dead people and over 4,000,000 displaced Iraqis.
Let's talk about Religion...
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These same clowns that claim they dont believe in god, beg for god's help when something goes wrong in their lives. How do you think we got here? Dont give me that crap we came from a funny species or the earth move a certain way and here we are ::). These so called experts dont know anything. They must have died and came back to tell us their theory. Once you die you will know the answer. I cant wait to hear what True Anus have to say.
You don't know anything.
Tell you what, why don't you give up technology and science? I mean your computer is a product of that, isn't it?
"Once you die you will know the answer," wow! What a bold statement! Where's your proof? Nor surprising that you would make such a stupid and retarded statement. No proof, nothing.
And you have no way to knowing who asks for god when they're in trouble.. Infact, most atheists would never do that, yet you go about making a crappy statement anyways. See, that's the problem with faith, people make shit up to justify their beliefs.
Science has a few gaps, which are being filled everyday. Religion is entirely belief based and irrational.
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These same clowns that claim they dont believe in god, beg for god's help when something goes wrong in their lives. How do you think we got here? Dont give me that crap we came from a funny species or the earth move a certain way and here we are ::). These so called experts dont know anything. They must have died and came back to tell us their theory. Once you die you will know the answer. I cant wait to hear what True Anus have to say.
it's no wonder you drink 5 nights a week with such a dreamed up belief system ::)
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shit!
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Here is a prayer for Mark Dugdale:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-qTWQj_Ez8&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-qTWQj_Ez8&mode=related&search=)
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Here is a prayer for Mark Dugdale:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-qTWQj_Ez8&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-qTWQj_Ez8&mode=related&search=)
You think its fanny?
Just stupid and infantil.