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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Karma on July 21, 2007, 08:33:28 PM
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fj
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Monster screaming!!
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hahahaha, Mentzer sounds drunk in that video.
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hahahaha, Mentzer sounds drunk in that video.
Sounds like a drunk with his nose plugged
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apparently he died the day after the video was shot :-X
Now that's hardcore!
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mike: 'we got a little too excited, we overestimated, but we can correct it for the next workout'
trainee: "I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU!"
LOL
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that was gay as hell.
what did Mike die from anyway? and how old was he?
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that was gay as hell.
what did Mike die from anyway? and how old was he?
he overdosed on milos's 'SNAKE OIL' workout drinks
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Great bodybuilder.......bad training concept for bodybuilding!
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Great bodybuilder.......bad training concept for bodybuilding!
how so?
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how so?
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Because for bodybuilding it's a crock of shit, HIT always has been!
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Because for bodybuilding it's a crock of shit, HIT always has been!
thats like saying 'snake oil' by milos is value for money
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Am I supposed to be impressed?
The dink quit on the half-rep leg presses before he was destroyed -- you can tell cuz it took him, literally, 2 seconds to recover. Put head down, cry for drama to make sure your coaches think you worked hard, sit up and start talking like normal... ::)
Had he been serious, he'd be out for at least a minute.
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Because for bodybuilding it's a crock of shit, HIT always has been!
You and I don't always agree, but on this -- yes. If that's what HIT is...it's lame. Lame for strongman training too. Maybe good for plifting (dunno, never did it).
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what did mentzer dire from? what age?
was it a heart attack at a young age?
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You and I don't always agree, but on this -- yes. If that's what HIT is...it's lame. Lame for strongman training too. Maybe good for plifting (dunno, never did it).
Only for PF.....period!!
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thats like saying 'snake oil' by milos is value for money
I believe more in Milo's "snake oil" as you call it than HIT!
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Because for bodybuilding it's a crock of shit, HIT always has been!
how so? explain please
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mentzer was never anything but a loser and a quitter.
he and his loser brother both went of like punks via suicide....like I said always a quitter
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You and I don't always agree, but on this -- yes. If that's what HIT is...it's lame. Lame for strongman training too. Maybe good for plifting (dunno, never did it).
i disagree, i think heavy weight to failure is the fasted way to grow, instead of pumping out mega-sets with 5lb dumbells or doing hack-squats on your toes with the knees pointing out(ACL, anyone?) for which you pay hundreds of dollars an hour....
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Because for bodybuilding it's a crock of shit, HIT always has been!
it doesnt work for dumb asses who think that that video ''IS" HIT in a nutshell...wrong.
that video is the act of training intensely, yes, but thats the muscle stimulation part of an holistic principle.
Mike would go nuts if he had to explain himself thousands of times to the mentally challenged members of this board...no wonder he has so many critics- critics dont need to understand anything or be half intelligent, they just have to write a bit...reading and comprehension are optional.
if theres a more muscle stimulating form of exercise then please tell me what it is because if hitting a muscle group this hard in this short a time isnt it, then what is?
ill say it again, muscle comes from adaptation to imposed demand. its a fundamental and physiological response of the human body. Sure hypertrophy is a result of the combined learnt response of heavier stresses, but HIT goes beyond that and invokes the fight or flight response in that it engages the neurological centres like nothing else and when done with the hypertrophy it works on otehr forms of stimulation that cant be engaged through heavy weight (because the body can no longer lift the weight after a certain point in time).
The result is to cram as much work into a short duration of time as one can.
we all know that power = work done divided by time, and power is force x distance, which means if distance is exercise dependent, then power is directly proportional to force- i.e. strength. We know that muscle size comes from ''work'', i.e. a mix of power and time.
the best mix of this is a technique that allows the most work done in the least amount of time. Since our energy reserves reduce with time as we train, then the maximum amount of work possible occurs on the first rep of the first set of a workout. From there it is downhill.
Mike's idealogy is that this is achieved through maximisation of intense, heavy work whilst energy stores are high. Then work through until they are zero. This maximises the hypertrophic response and neurological response through intensity and workload. This CANNOT be wrong as its the natural extension of everything we know. All other training is a lazier form of this.
The problem has been that although mike made it clear to everyone, people either dont train hard enough, or dont rest enough- so they call BS because they dont have the guts to make it happen. I call them pathetic..dont bag a technique until you either understand it or can actually perform it properly.
Therer is another school of thought that has some merit though, and its somewhat related to HIT. That is that an extreme amount of actual ''work'' can be done throgh the use of many sets and reps at middle to light weights. This is why ''traditional training'' seems to lad somewhere inbetween HIT and ''WORK". Its not because traditional training works best, its because traditional training works best for the most people who cant apply HIT due to lack of guts or refuse to lift middle to light weights for set after set or rep after rep for a similar ego-centric reason.
The one issue that works against the high rep technique is that this approach risks rapid learning of exercises, so it requires careful cycling of rep schemes and patterns that encourage subtle mind challenges to keep the brain from mastering a pattern...for those who dont know the difference between mastering and learning...learning is when you start to get some decent results in terms of strength or amount lifted and occurs after about 4-6 weeks of training..mastering is when it suddently becomes harder to improve...your brain has learnt the skill so is working on actually finding out how to do the task with less involvement...this is the time to either learn another exercise or subtly change the challenge.
So Coach- dude you should change your name as it implies that you know what you are doing...
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disco_stu,
well said.
i don't even bother trying to teach those who are not ready or capable of understanding the laws of reality.
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So Coach- dude you should change your name as it implies that you know what you are doing...
LMAO.....ok, gee, so I must have been doing it all wrong for the last 30 years, glad I had someone like you to clear that up ::)
P.S. HIT is a crock of shit and since I'm not going to write a 10 paragraph post on why, I'll let you. Start with studying the three energy systems!
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it doesnt work for dumb asses who think that that video ''IS" HIT in a nutshell...wrong.
that video is the act of training intensely, yes, but thats the muscle stimulation part of an holistic principle.
Mike would go nuts if he had to explain himself thousands of times to the mentally challenged members of this board...no wonder he has so many critics- critics dont need to understand anything or be half intelligent, they just have to write a bit...reading and comprehension are optional.
if theres a more muscle stimulating form of exercise then please tell me what it is because if hitting a muscle group this hard in this short a time isnt it, then what is?
ill say it again, muscle comes from adaptation to imposed demand. its a fundamental and physiological response of the human body. Sure hypertrophy is a result of the combined learnt response of heavier stresses, but HIT goes beyond that and invokes the fight or flight response in that it engages the neurological centres like nothing else and when done with the hypertrophy it works on otehr forms of stimulation that cant be engaged through heavy weight (because the body can no longer lift the weight after a certain point in time).
The result is to cram as much work into a short duration of time as one can.
we all know that power = work done divided by time, and power is force x distance, which means if distance is exercise dependent, then power is directly proportional to force- i.e. strength. We know that muscle size comes from ''work'', i.e. a mix of power and time.
the best mix of this is a technique that allows the most work done in the least amount of time. Since our energy reserves reduce with time as we train, then the maximum amount of work possible occurs on the first rep of the first set of a workout. From there it is downhill.
Mike's idealogy is that this is achieved through maximisation of intense, heavy work whilst energy stores are high. Then work through until they are zero. This maximises the hypertrophic response and neurological response through intensity and workload. This CANNOT be wrong as its the natural extension of everything we know. All other training is a lazier form of this.
The problem has been that although mike made it clear to everyone, people either dont train hard enough, or dont rest enough- so they call BS because they dont have the guts to make it happen. I call them pathetic..dont bag a technique until you either understand it or can actually perform it properly.
Therer is another school of thought that has some merit though, and its somewhat related to HIT. That is that an extreme amount of actual ''work'' can be done throgh the use of many sets and reps at middle to light weights. This is why ''traditional training'' seems to lad somewhere inbetween HIT and ''WORK". Its not because traditional training works best, its because traditional training works best for the most people who cant apply HIT due to lack of guts or refuse to lift middle to light weights for set after set or rep after rep for a similar ego-centric reason.
The one issue that works against the high rep technique is that this approach risks rapid learning of exercises, so it requires careful cycling of rep schemes and patterns that encourage subtle mind challenges to keep the brain from mastering a pattern...for those who dont know the difference between mastering and learning...learning is when you start to get some decent results in terms of strength or amount lifted and occurs after about 4-6 weeks of training..mastering is when it suddently becomes harder to improve...your brain has learnt the skill so is working on actually finding out how to do the task with less involvement...this is the time to either learn another exercise or subtly change the challenge.
So Coach- dude you should change your name as it implies that you know what you are doing...
translation: I've been using HIT for 10 years, my CNS is completely blown out and i'm having male PMS because I wont admit to myself that I've pretty much wasted years of training for nothing.
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I workout harder when walking up the steps to my door with grocery bags. ::)
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I workout harder when walking up the steps to my door with grocery bags. ::)
Monster farmer walk.
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if you have to work that hard to walk up your stairs with groceries I think milos training isnt cuttin it for ya.
1 + 1 = 6
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low volume routines can build size that isnt anything new but i just dont think its possible for a bodybuilder to have seperation and bed ready for the stage doing 3 sets per muscle group.
id say low volume trainers nowadays do 8-9 for big muscle groups and 6 sets for the smaller ones.
but i have friends who tell me doing 12sets for a big muscle groupl like back or pecs is way to much. i think part of the problem with hit training is that its kinda impossible to cover all the angles u need to for the diffrent bodyparts with one exersize per muscle group, of course some guys have great genetics and will devlop a chest completly developed from top to bottom doing flat incline and flat flyes but some of us need to do more incline work and declines. back is even more complex . and delts...
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LMAO.....ok, gee, so I must have been doing it all wrong for the last 30 years, glad I had someone like you to clear that up ::)
P.S. HIT is a crock of shit and since I'm not going to write a 10 paragraph post on why, I'll let you. Start with studying the three energy systems!
ive met so many people in my life who try to tell me that because theyve been doing something for 5 zillion years for the same effect then it must be true.
these people are in a world of ignorance that i only feel sympathy for. But it's people like that that make it possible for others to have great jobs and high wages. Without this difference, everybody could design spaceships. Thankfully, based ob your response, you dont work for NASA.
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Pretty sure the guy with the glasses was Mike's brother Ray.
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ive met so many people in my life who try to tell me that because theyve been doing something for 5 zillion years for the same effect then it must be true.
these people are in a world of ignorance that i only feel sympathy for. But it's people like that that make it possible for others to have great jobs and high wages. Without this difference, everybody could design spaceships. Thankfully, based ob your response, you dont work for NASA.
It's not because I've been doing to for 5 zillion years.......again, START by studying the three energy systems..........do you think I've been just winging this shit all my life?
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Am I supposed to be impressed?
The dink quit on the half-rep leg presses before he was destroyed -- you can tell cuz it took him, literally, 2 seconds to recover. Put head down, cry for drama to make sure your coaches think you worked hard, sit up and start talking like normal... ::)
Had he been serious, he'd be out for at least a minute.
Someone actually pointing out the obvious.
Thanks.
Reinhardt is like those kids in gym class that always were faking getting exhausted, and hardly broke a sweat.
FWIW, I don't doubt that Mentzer himself trained hard, furious. At least most workouts. I'm sure he would back off the weights slightly a few times as well.
-Hedge
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mentzer was never anything but a loser and a quitter.
he and his loser brother both went of like punks via suicide....like I said always a quitter
you are a dick, mike did not commit suicide. he died of heart failure. his brother died of what you could call suicide- he stopped going to dialasis and died.
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mike lives forever.