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Breaking News:
U.S. Sen. Larry Craig was arrested in June on lewd conduct charges in a Minneapolis airport bathroom--D'OH!!!
Holy crap man, the list of republicans engaging in not so family values is getting longer than fuck... I doubt I can fit the list in to one post :D
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I wonder how soon before this closet queen gets caught?
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Fantastic, another hypocrite Conservative.
Just a closeted gay man masquerading as a Conservative. There seems to be an awful lot of these morons floating around.
My favorite part is when these clowns support bills and or ammendments that try to control/limit actions that they themselves secretly take part in.
Perhaps Craig's handlers can come up with another stunning defense similar to the "intimidated by the stocky black guy" defense for why he sexually propositioned a man in a public restroom.
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I'd find it funny if it wasn't so pathetic but since this Craig clown and his brethren have a certain amount of say in how we live our lives I don't find it amusing. There's simply too many of these hypocrites in positions of power.
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I'd find it funny if it wasn't so pathetic but since this Craig clown and his brethren have a certain amount of say in how we live our lives I don't find it amusing. There's simply too many of these hypocrites in positions of power.
That's exactly where I was at 3 years ago when I was posting very large lists in general of Republicans in sex scandals and pedo scandals. I issued the challenge several times for someone to post a similar list of dems... I looked extensively for dems caught in these scandals myself and the number I found was a small fraction compared. no such list transpired yet I was told over and over, there must be as many dems caught up in these scandals. So, I cannot help but post with a chuckle knowing the past trends and present scandals that keep plaguing the republican party. Not much else I can do but laugh my ass off ;D You can't even get a serious response on this board regarding the franklin cover-up which has got to be rock bottom, the worst most heinous pedo scandal to hit the republican party... On other boards I've posted approx. 60 or so news articles on that scandal... crickets... Republicans don't give two shits that their Representatives engage in this crap. At most you'll get "Clinton this, and oh yea that guy that had cash in his freezer" So today, after pointlessly attempting to put this stuff out there, I just laugh.... Bwhalalalakalhkahksahdkf jdka....
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Here we go again... ::)
Craig Arrested, Pleads Guilty Following Incident in Airport Restroom
Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) was arrested in June at a Minnesota airport by a plainclothes police officer investigating lewd conduct complaints in a men’s public restroom, according to an arrest report obtained by Roll Call Monday afternoon.
Craig’s arrest occurred just after noon on June 11 at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. On Aug. 8, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct in the Hennepin County District Court. He paid more than $500 in fines and fees, and a 10-day jail sentence was stayed. He also was given one year of probation with the court that began on Aug. 8.
A spokesman for Craig described the incident as a “he said/he said misunderstanding,” and said the office would release a fuller statement later Monday afternoon.
After he was arrested, Craig, who is married, was taken to the Airport Police Operations Center to be interviewed about the lewd conduct incident, according to the police report. At one point during the interview, Craig handed the plainclothes sergeant who arrested him a business card that identified him as a U.S. Senator and said, “What do you think about that?” the report states.
Craig was detained for approximately 45 minutes, interviewed, photographed, fingerprinted and released, and police prepared a formal complaint for interference with privacy and disorderly conduct.
According to the incident report, Sgt. Dave Karsnia was working as a plainclothes officer on June 11 investigating civilian complaints regarding sexual activity in the men’s public restroom in which Craig was arrested.
Airport police previously had made numerous arrests in the men’s restroom of the Northstar Crossing in the Lindbergh Terminal in connection with sexual activity.
Karsnia entered the bathroom at noon that day and about 13 minutes after taking a seat in a stall, he stated he could see “an older white male with grey hair standing outside my stall.”
The man, who lingered in front of the stall for two minutes, was later identified as Craig.
“I could see Craig look through the crack in the door from his position. Craig would look down at his hands, ‘fidget’ with his fingers, and then look through the crack into my stall again. Craig would repeat this cycle for about two minutes,” the report states.
Craig then entered the stall next to Karsnia’s and placed his roller bag against the front of the stall door.
“My experience has shown that individuals engaging in lewd conduct use their bags to block the view from the front of their stall,” Karsnia stated in his report. “From my seated position, I could observe the shoes and ankles of Craig seated to the left of me.”
Craig was wearing dress pants with black dress shoes.
“At 1216 hours, Craig tapped his right foot. I recognized this as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct. Craig tapped his toes several times and moves his foot closer to my foot. I moved my foot up and down slowly. While this was occurring, the male in the stall to my right was still present. I could hear several unknown persons in the restroom that appeared to use the restroom for its intended use. The presence of others did not seem to deter Craig as he moved his right foot so that it touched the side of my left foot which was within my stall area,” the report states.
Craig then proceeded to swipe his hand under the stall divider several times, and Karsnia noted in his report that “I could ... see Craig had a gold ring on his ring finger as his hand was on my side of the stall divider.”
Karsnia then held his police identification down by the floor so that Craig could see it.
“With my left hand near the floor, I pointed towards the exit. Craig responded, ‘No!’ I again pointed towards the exit. Craig exited the stall with his roller bags without flushing the toilet. ... Craig said he would not go. I told Craig that he was under arrest, he had to go, and that I didn’t want to make a scene. Craig then left the restroom.”
In a recorded interview after his arrest, Craig “either disagreed with me or ‘didn’t recall’ the events as they happened,” the report states.
Craig stated “that he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine,” the report states. Craig also told the arresting officer that he reached down with his right hand to pick up a piece of paper that was on the floor.
“It should be noted that there was not a piece of paper on the bathroom floor, nor did Craig pick up a piece of paper,” the arresting officer said in the report.
On Aug. 8, the day he pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct in the Minnesota court, Craig appeared via satellite at a ceremony that took place in Idaho in which former Idaho federal Judge Randy Smith was invested into his new position as a judge on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
In October 2006, Craig’s office publicly denied allegations that he was a homosexual made on a gay activist Web site — blogactive.com. Craig’s office told the Spokane Spokesman-Review that the charge was “completely ridiculous,” saying that the allegations had “no basis in fact.”
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Boom.
Another old fucking perv bites the dust ;D
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Senator, Arrested at Airport, Pleads Guilty
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/28/washington/28craig.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1188306911-eWujSAMx3A1wn3xIgGYKNw
"By Roll Call’s account, the officer said Mr. Craig had tapped his foot, in what the officer called a known signal to engage in lewd conduct, and had also brushed his foot against the investigator’s and waved his hand under the stall divider several times before the officer showed him his badge. After the arrest the senator denied any sexual intent, and in a statement issued Monday afternoon he attributed the matter to a misunderstanding."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig
I wish we could get on with the business of the country without having to deal with all these closeted republicans making waves and destroying the honor and integrity of the public office.
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Boom.
Another old fucking perv bites the dust ;D
you mean another REPUBLICAN perv bites the dust.
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wonder how many hours of his life baygbm has whiled away tapping his toes in restroom stalls? ;D
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You'll notice on that Wiki page that even though Craig is a closeted gay man who propositions men in public restrooms that he fully supports the Federal Marriage Amendment. I wouldn't doubt if this fool bashes gays with all his Conservative buddies. Then on the weekend he visits truck stops and services the truckers in bathroom stalls.
And this idiot is a Senior Senator.
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wonder how many hours of his life baygbm has whiled away tapping his toes in restroom stalls? ;D
bah-ahahahahhahahahahahha
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Craig stated “that he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine,” the report states. Craig also told the arresting officer that he reached down with his right hand to pick up a piece of paper that was on the floor.
Wide stance?? ::) This is almost as bad as the guy who blamed his homosexual conduct on his fear of black guys (or something like that).
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wonder how many hours of his life baygbm has whiled away tapping his toes in restroom stalls? ;D
Here’s a clue:
I’m not in the closet so I (like most gay men) have no need to connect in public rest rooms. I have no problems hooking up in a bar, getting set up by friends, running a personal ad (with my face showing), getting asked out in a gay gym, etc. Public bathroom sex is for closeted bi--often married--guys who can’t accept their attraction to other men.
I’m sure you are familiar with the type: they patronize body building events, buy the magazines & videos and participate in on-line message boards about huge muscle men who oil up, wear thongs, and pose to music for your “entertainment.” Sound familiar? Have a look in the mirror... I'm sure you'll recognize him. ;)
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I wonder how soon before this closet queen gets caught?
So true. He is next. ::)
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Here’s a clue:
I’m not in the closet so I (like most gay men) have no need to connect in public rest rooms. I have no problems hooking up in a bar, getting set up by friends, running a personal ad (with my face showing), getting asked out in a gay gym, etc. Public bathroom sex is for closeted bi--often married--guys who can’t accept their attraction to other men.
a guy who's ok with himself would have stopped right here.
but a guy who has to prove (to himself) that he's better off than the sorry individuals who surround him goes on w this . . .
I’m sure you are familiar with the type: they patronize body building events, buy the magazines & videos and participate in on-line message boards about huge muscle men who oil up, wear thongs, and pose to music for your “entertainment.” Sound familiar? Have a look in the mirror... I'm sure you'll recognize him. ;)
what's going on, baby-bay . . . coming out doesn't cure the self-loathing this culture has bred into you?
AL-G
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Yeah all Repubs are closeted gays ::)....this guy has a problem...big deal. He'll pay for whatever he did. We, as a nation have bigger issues then if this guy is a hypocrit.
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Yeah all Repubs are closeted gays ::)....this guy has a problem...big deal. He'll pay for whatever he did. We, as a nation have bigger issues then if this guy is a hypocrit.
Now that's the type of neotaint response I expected. Thanks HH6, I'm glad there's still people on this board that will try and diminish the fact that a Conservative Senior Senator who supports the Federal Marriage Amendment also enjoys performing oral sex on men in public restrooms. Nice job.
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How does this play into the Family Values" platform many ran on in the past?
::) :o ;D :)
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I could care less if this guy is banging blue sheep in the middle of the freeway..who cares dude...I'm nota neocon. This is all partisian BS anyway. So what, he's an idiot with a problem. He won't get reelected, problem solved. Next to invading Iran, this not much of an issue.
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I could care less if this guy is banging blue sheep in the middle of the freeway..who cares dude...I'm nota neocon. This is all partisian BS anyway. So what, he's an idiot with a problem. He won't get reelected, problem solved. Next to invading Iran, this not much of an issue.
Headhunter speaking the truth again. :) I agree. Craig is a hypocrite, but he's also an individual, not an institution or a party. You'll always have people, particularly those with an agenda, trying to make situations like this larger than what they really are.
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Bwaaahhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaa
Partisan BS, oh, please.
This Craig clown is a Conservative Senior Senator that supports family values and the Federal Marriage Amendment yet on the weekends enjoys having sex with men in public restrooms.
This isn't about partisan politics it's about a powerful man lying his closeted gay ass off.
If this jerkoff didn't base his political career on values that despise homosexuality I wouldn't say a thing.
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I guess its news in and of itself....and this is a issues board..but as far as a national issue...we have bigger ones to worry about.
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To which I say..yeah you're right..but who cares. He won't get reelected..he lied to his constituency. He lied to his family.....he likes the cock...so be it. Find another job. We have bigger and more important things to worry about...as a nation.
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you've got to appreciate the irony though, hh6. men who go around fronting like they're biblical patriarchs trolling for sex in airport restrooms.
makes me want to lol. ;D
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Who said we as a nation don't have bigger issues to worry about? I don't remember anyone in this thread condemning this Craig scumbag as the nations top concern.
It's absolutely newsworthy though and something everyone should be aware of, especially since it's happening more and more recently.
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Apparently this must have been a slow news month.................
NEW YORK The revelation late Monday that Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) was arrested nearly three months ago for allegedly making sexual advances in a men's room raises the issue of how such an action could occur without the press reporting it.
Even Roll Call reporter John McArdle, who broke the story late Monday, admits he only received word of the arrest and subsequent guilty plea via a tip last week.
"You would think in the 24-hour news cycle, something like this would slip through," said McArdle, a four-year veteran of the Capitol Hill daily. "He wanted to keep it quiet, and he almost got away with it."
Even more surprising is that the unreported arrest occurred at a time when Craig was under scrutiny following previous allegations of gay relationships and sexual advances dating back to late 2006, when a blogger accused Craig of having relationships with men. The conservative senator has long denied the allegations.
McArdle said the latest incident, in which Craig was arrested June 11 for allegedly making advances to a police officer in a Minnesota airport bathroom, only came to his attention through a tip he received last week.
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OK, just so I'm absolutely clear on your stance.
It's a slow news month because it's been reported that a Conservative Senior Senator who ran on a family values platform and supports the Federal Marriage Amendment was arrested for soliciting sex with another man in a public restroom and then tried to have it covered up?
The fact that this was reported means it's a slow news month?
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It happened a long time ago...hence this article....there have been many more important news items that took place during and after this time. Things have been slow so they have dug around and found this thing. My stance is who cares...I'd feel the same way if he were a Dem. These family values things are all BS anyway. I don't trust any of these guys to have high moral values. It really doesn't surprise me that guys like him, dem or repub got caught doing something improper.
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Apparently this must have been a slow news month.................
NEW YORK The revelation late Monday that Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) was arrested nearly three months ago for allegedly making sexual advances in a men's room raises the issue of how such an action could occur without the press reporting it.
Even Roll Call reporter John McArdle, who broke the story late Monday, admits he only received word of the arrest and subsequent guilty plea via a tip last week.
"You would think in the 24-hour news cycle, something like this would slip through," said McArdle, a four-year veteran of the Capitol Hill daily. "He wanted to keep it quiet, and he almost got away with it."
Even more surprising is that the unreported arrest occurred at a time when Craig was under scrutiny following previous allegations of gay relationships and sexual advances dating back to late 2006, when a blogger accused Craig of having relationships with men. The conservative senator has long denied the allegations.
McArdle said the latest incident, in which Craig was arrested June 11 for allegedly making advances to a police officer in a Minnesota airport bathroom, only came to his attention through a tip he received last week.
I don't recall seeing anything about until yesterday
The same day that Gonzo resigns and Michale Vick finds Jesus
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You read the part of the piece you posted that said Craig tried to cover it up right? You posted it yourself so I'm going on the assumption that you actually read it.
Do you really believe this wouldn't have been reported when it happened if it wasn't covered up?
The difference with this happening with a Dem is that a Dem doesn't run on a platform that specifically despises homosexuality so comparing the two doesn't work. Considering a massive portion of your political belief system is based on high morals and family values your statement about them all being BS is interesting to say the least.
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According to the article you posted, there was no digging. The reporters who broke the story received a tip.
It's not unusual for a story to become big months after it occurs.
By the time it was revealed that Lewinsky and Clinton had engaged in an affair, the affair had been over for a year.
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True ..but the news cycle has sped up considerably since the Lewinsky affair. As far as the moral character issue. While Repubs run on high moral values etc....i still don't trust em. Much like I don't trust the Dems to have any either. Atleast the Repub will attempt to tell u he doesn't like gays..the Dem will pander to attract votes. In any event its silly.....who cares.
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Atleast the Repub will attempt to tell u he doesn't like gays
Yes, he will and in quite a few instances that same Repub will spend his weekend giving blowjobs in public restrooms.
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True ..but the news cycle has sped up considerably since the Lewinsky affair. As far as the moral character issue. While Repubs run on high moral values etc....i still don't trust em. Much like I don't trust the Dems to have any either. Atleast the Repub will attempt to tell u he doesn't like gays..the Dem will pander to attract votes. In any event its silly.....who cares.
you might also want to consider the possibility that the Dems (or anyone) who claims to support gay rights (or at least reject prejudice) might actually be sincere in their beliefs rather than merely pandering
These stories are only fun when they involve a closeted, self hating, hypocrite - without that there really wouldn't be a story and it is interesting that it always seems to be a Republican
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Yes, he will and in quite a few instances that same Repub will spend his weekend giving blowjobs in public restrooms.
He might!
I guess thats why its news..3 months late, but news. Which is why we're flushing our country down a toliet. Who cares..worry about this crap after we're out of Iraq or not going to bomb Iran..who cares.
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HH6, it's three months late because Craig tried to quash it. I love how you always fail to mention that when you talk about slow news months and the story being 3 months old.
Craig tried to cover it up.
In the big picture you're right, it's not the most pressing issue although I'd still say it's important because Craig is in a position of power and influence.
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We have bigger and more important things to worry about...as a nation.
If twits like this are representing the people casting votes for these items we're suppose to care about, well then... duh and when the media is willing to put everything aside for days to talk about Paris Hilton, well then COME ON ::) What did you want us to talk about, the Iraq War, but only if we're for it?
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HH6, it's three months late because Craig tried to quash it. I love how you always fail to mention that when you talk about slow news months and the story being 3 months old.
Craig tried to cover it up.
In the big picture you're right, it's not the most pressing issue although I'd still say it's important because Craig is in a position of power and influence.
True, the story just broke, It's not like it was old news being brought back up.
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I could care less if this guy is banging blue sheep in the middle of the freeway..who cares dude...I'm nota neocon. This is all partisian BS anyway. So what, he's an idiot with a problem. He won't get reelected, problem solved. Next to invading Iran, this not much of an issue.
You're right there bubba, this wack stuff seems to be very partisian. For the most part it seems to be a Republican problem--"Big Time" LOL.
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Craig Says 'I Am Not Gay,' Did No Wrong
By TODD DVORAK
Associated Press Writer
BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Under fire from leaders of his own party, Idaho Sen. Larry Craig on Tuesday the only thing he had done wrong was to plead guilty after a police complaint of lewd conduct in a men's room. He declared, "I am not gay. I never have been gay."
"I did nothing wrong at the Minneapolis airport," he said at a news conference with his wife, Suzanne, at his side.
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CRAIG_ARREST?SITE=HIHAD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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Craig Says 'I Am Not Gay,' Did No Wrong
By TODD DVORAK
Associated Press Writer
BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Under fire from leaders of his own party, Idaho Sen. Larry Craig on Tuesday the only thing he had done wrong was to plead guilty after a police complaint of lewd conduct in a men's room. He declared, "I am not gay. I never have been gay."
"I did nothing wrong at the Minneapolis airport," he said at a news conference with his wife, Suzanne, at his side.
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CRAIG_ARREST?SITE=HIHAD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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I seem to recall this guy saying the same thing
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Craig Says 'I Am Not Gay,' Did No Wrong
By TODD DVORAK
Associated Press Writer
BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Under fire from leaders of his own party, Idaho Sen. Larry Craig on Tuesday the only thing he had done wrong was to plead guilty after a police complaint of lewd conduct in a men's room. He declared, "I am not gay. I never have been gay."
"I did nothing wrong at the Minneapolis airport," he said at a news conference with his wife, Suzanne, at his side.
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CRAIG_ARREST?SITE=HIHAD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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he might not be gay........but his boy friends are. ;D
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he might not be gay........but his boy friends are. ;D
lol... I really hope beach was rolling his eyes at the denial and not posting it as a see, this is all for nothing, he didn't do anything wrong cuz he says so. :P
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he might not be gay........but his boy friends are. ;D
lol. ;D
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lol... I really hope beach was rolling his eyes at the denial and not posting it as a see, this is all for nothing, he didn't do anything wrong cuz he says so. :P
The eye roll was for his denial. Pathetic.
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he looks like a guy who isnt gay
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The eye roll was for his denial. Pathetic.
so why do you think he chose to be gay?
seems like the cost/benefit ratio was really high
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so why do you think he chose to be gay?
seems like the cost/benefit ratio was really high
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
of course you know exactly what I'm talking about
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
Bum, why do you always play the fool (it is an act right?)
1. You've indicated in this thread that you don't believe Craigs denial about being gay or at least engaging in questionable activity
2. In the past you've repeatedly asserted that "being gay" is a CHOICE
back to the question:
Why do you you think Craig CHOSE to engage in homesexual activity given how much he has to lose?
You could obviously say you have no idea but why PRETEND you don't even understand the question??
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Bum, why do you always play the fool (it is an act right?)
1. You've indicated in this thread that you don't believe Craigs denial about being gay or at least engaging in questionable activity
2. In the past you've repeatedly asserted that "being gay" is a CHOICE
back to the question:
Why do you you think Craig CHOSE to engage in homesexual activity given how much he has to lose?
You could obviously say you have no idea but why PRETEND you don't even understand the question??
I try and avoid answering dumb disingenuous questions. Hope this helps.
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I try and avoid answering dumb disingenuous questions. Hope this helps.
you haven't used that bullshit in awhile.
I thought you said you didn't know what I was talking about
You've stated that you believe that being gay is a choice
You've suggested that you don't believe Craig's denial
What's the problem??
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you haven't used that bullshit in awhile.
I thought you said you didn't know what I was talking about
You've stated that you believe that being gay is a choice
You've suggested that you don't believe Craig's denial
What's the problem??
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055662/
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055662/
just more proof that when you're challenged to discuss what you truly believe and why you believe it you can't handle it. First you pretend that you don't get it and then call the topic disingenious
Would you agree that by choosing to engage in this activity shows that Craig has very poor judgement and can't be trusted in a position of power and influence. Also, because he's a closeted gay he exposes himself to blackmail and extortion which presents a potential threat to our national security
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Senator losing support in Idaho, Washington
NEW: "We're disappointed," White House spokesman says
BOISE, Idaho (CNN) -- Sen. Larry Craig, who was arrested for allegedly soliciting sex in a public restroom, is losing support among conservatives in his home state of Idaho, and the White House also is expressing disappointment with the situation.
A police mug shot of Sen. Larry Craig after he was arrested at the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport in June.
"We're disappointed in what's going on. It's a matter for the senator and the Senate Republican leadership to address," deputy White House press secretary Scott Stanzel said.
"We hope that it will be resolved quickly, as that would be in the best interests of the Senate and the people of Idaho," Stanzel said.
State GOP officials in Idaho are standing by Craig in their public comments, but some privately say that the senator is ruined.
One conservative leader, though, was unequivocal:
"I believe he should resign because I believe character is an extremely important qualification for public service," said Bryan Fischer of the Idaho Values Alliance. "And I believe the senator, by his own admission, has acknowledged that he has fallen short of the standard that we should expect from public servants."
Likewise, the head of a conservative advocacy group in Washington had strong words for Craig:
"Senator Craig admittedly engaged in illegal activity that brings serious disrepute to the public office he holds," Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said Wednesday. "He should seriously consider resigning."
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/29/craig.arrest/index.html
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Perhaps the reason he choose to have sex with anonymous men in public restrooms is because as a child Senator Craig's father never showed him his penis in the shower or had him pound a square peg into a square hole.
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Breaking News:
U.S. Sen. Larry Craig was arrested in June on lewd conduct charges in a Minneapolis airport bathroom--D'OH!!!
Holy crap man, the list of republicans engaging in not so family values is getting longer than fuck... I doubt I can fit the list in to one post :D
It'll be a longer list if you include the shitbag hypocrites from BOTH parties.
That sick bastard needs to get help.
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Hypocrisy 101
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/28/1999-video-republican-larry-craig-calls-bill-clinton-a-nasty-bad-naughty-boy/
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Hypocrisy 101
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/28/1999-video-republican-larry-craig-calls-bill-clinton-a-nasty-bad-naughty-boy/
Ouch, Matthews ripped Craig to shreds with his comments at the end of the video.
There is just something so outrageously pathetic about a Conservative anti-gay senior senator getting caught propositioning men for sex in a public restroom. Craig's political agenda is almost entirely anti-gay yet he enjoys sucking off strange men on the weekends at the local truck stop restroom. What a piece of human trash.
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There is an audio link of his police interview on FoxNews.com. Don't know how to post the link. Here is a link to the written transcript. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295329,00.html
I listened to the whole interview. Sounds like a guilty man to me.
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Ouch, Matthews ripped Craig to shreds with his comments at the end of the video.
There is just something so outrageously pathetic about a Conservative anti-gay senior senator getting caught propositioning men for sex in a public restroom. Craig's political agenda is almost entirely anti-gay yet he enjoys sucking off strange men on the weekends at the local truck stop restroom. What a piece of human trash.
There are tons of guys who think like him (many quite conservative). They will suck cock with strangers over and over, but do not consider themselves gay. Remember Ted Haggard?
Is there anything more pathetic than hearing him proclaim that he is not gay and never has been gay and watching him place his arm around his wife while he said it. ::)
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Yep, really sucks, really glad nothing happend to Barney Frank and his well known prostitution ring he was running and the other Dems that got caught for far worse similar things that Craig was caught for, yep, the Libs keep their jobs and careers and this guy gets caught and loses everything........see the hypocrisy?
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Yep, really sucks, really glad nothing happend to Barney Frank and his well known prostitution ring he was running and the other Dems that got caught for far worse similar things that Craig was caught for, yep, the Libs keep their jobs and careers and this guy gets caught and loses everything........see the hypocrisy?
Excellent, here comes Mr. Hate to chime in with a completely rational post. Good job.
You realize of course that Craig's whole political career is built around anti-homosexual policy don't you Mr. Hate?
You see the incredible hypocrisy in a Conservative anti-homosexual Senior Senator having sex with anonymous men in public restrooms don't you Mr. Hate?
Of course you don't Mr. Hate, in your warped point of view the whole Craig scandal is probably the fault of the Liberals.
BTW, I forgot maybe you can enlighten us, did Frank run on an anti-homosexual platform? Were his political beliefs based on anti-homosexual agendas?
The Republicans are distancing themselves from Craig like rats fleeing a sinking ship and all you can do is talk about Liberals, nice work sticking to the delusional rhetoric.
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Excellent, here comes Mr. Hate to chime in with a completely rational post. Good job.
You realize of course that Craig's whole political career is built around anti-homosexual policy don't you Mr. Hate?
You see the incredible hypocrisy in a Conservative anti-homosexual Senior Senator having sex with anonymous men in public restrooms don't you Mr. Hate?
Of course you don't Mr. Hate, in your warped point of view the whole Craig scandal is probably the fault of the Liberals.
BTW, I forgot maybe you can enlighten us, did Frank run on an anti-homosexual platform? Were his political beliefs based on anti-homosexual agendas?
The Republicans are distancing themselves from Craig like rats fleeing a sinking ship and all you can do is talk about Liberals, nice work sticking to the delusional rhetoric.
Junior, I know he ran on a anti- homo agenda, but at the same time there are ALOT of conservative homosexuals who have anti-homosexual agendas, I'm not sticking up for Craig, personally I could care less.........but Frank and his cohorts do something 10X's worse and they keep their careers. So the dude might be a closet homosexual, thats not illegal.
Another thing, get off the "Mr. Hate" thing fuckhead everytime I come on here and express my point of view, trust me, you're the only "Mr. Hate" here.
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Junior, I know he ran on a anti- homo agenda, but at the same time there are ALOT of conservative homosexuals who have anti-homosexual agendas, I'm not sticking up for Craig, personally I could care less.........but Frank and his cohorts do something 10X's worse and they keep their careers. So the dude might be a closet homosexual, thats not illegal.
Another thing, get off the "Mr. Hate" thing fuckhead everytime I come on here and express my point of view, trust me, you're the only "Mr. Hate" here.
Touch a nerve? :-* ;D
Sounds like you are defending Craig, apologizing for him like a garden variety liberal in a "Winter Festival Dance" ::)
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Touch a nerve? :-* ;D
Sounds like you are defending Craig, apologizing for him like a garden variety liberal in a "Winter Festival Dance" ::)
Not defending him by anymeans, but one persons career get ruined by his actions, it's only fair that anothers should get ruined as well, especially if that offence is alot worse than what Craig was accused for...........the title of this thread should say it all!
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Not defending him by anymeans, but one persons career get ruined by his actions, it's only fair that anothers should get ruined as well, especially if that offence is alot worse than what Craig was accused for...........the title of this thread should say it all!
If you applied that to everything our whole government would come crashing down. the problem with that kind of thinking is that it's completely unrealistic as there are sure to be many many more people doing much more illegal things or things they shouldn't be doing.
The point here is that he was busted red handed and now is trying to spin his way out of it and no one is buying it.
Monster example of someone who is not taking responsibility for their actions and have disgrace the office and party they represent. He was soliciting in a public bathroom......pathetic.
That bastard deserves everything he gets and the Circus of media and criticism deserves their entertainment from it.
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Yep, really sucks, really glad nothing happend to Barney Frank and his well known prostitution ring he was running and the other Dems that got caught for far worse similar things that Craig was caught for, yep, the Libs keep their jobs and careers and this guy gets caught and loses everything........see the hypocrisy?
no comparison - don't conflate the two.
Here's the difference: Frank reported this to Congress (Craig did not). Frank was not charged with a crime (Craig was and chose to plead guilty). House Ethics Committed investigated and found no wrong doing on Franks' part. Also, Frank is openly gay and therefore not susceptible to blackmail/extortion.
from wiki:
In 1990, the House voted to reprimand Frank when it was revealed that Steve Gobie, a male escort whom Frank had befriended after hiring him through a personal advertisement, claimed to have conducted an escort service from Frank's apartment when he was not at home. Frank had dismissed Gobie earlier that year and reported the incident to the House Ethics Committee after learning of Gobie's activities. After an investigation, the House Ethics Committee found no evidence that Frank had known of or been involved in the alleged illegal activity.
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Craig Case: Congressional Arrogance at Work
Friday, August 31, 2007 10:21 AM
Author: Ronald Kessler
Watching Sen. Larry E. Craig’s press conference about his encounter with a police officer in an airport men’s room, I wondered how anyone could be so arrogant as to think he could credibly claim that his only mistake was to plead guilty to the charge stemming from the seamy incident.
Then I remembered "unarresting." Unarresting is not a term you will find in any law. It’s not in any dictionary. But it’s a term known to every officer of the Capitol Police.
Unarresting is what happens when a Capitol Police officer has the misfortune to learn, after having made an arrest, that the person charged is a member of Congress. In that case, a supervisor is called, and he drives the member of Congress home. No record is made of the arrest. In other words, it is covered up.
Of course, if a Capitol Police officer learns before an arrest that the suspect is a member of Congress, the process is much simpler: He never makes the arrest in the first place.
For my book "Inside Congress," former Capitol Police officers described on the record how the process works.
Steven E. Dekelbaum, a former Capitol Police officer who became a metropolitan police detective in Washington, said that one night when he was walking across a street near the Capitol on the green light, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy drove through a red light and almost ran him over.
“He was speeding. The speed limit was 25, and he was well over that,” Dekelbaum told me. “I jumped out of his way. I guess he looked in his rear-view mirror and said, ‘I almost hit a cop.’ He stopped. I approached the car. He reeked [of liquor]. . . I said, ‘Look, senator, you’re pretty drunk, and you almost ran me over.’ I said, ‘I don't want you to get any bad publicity.’ I was pretty diplomatic for a dumb 22-year-old. I knew I would get in trouble otherwise.”
Dekelbaum suggested that Kennedy park his car and take a taxi.
“He said, ‘You know, you’re right.’ I said, ‘I don't want you to kill anybody or kill yourself.’ By this time, the sergeant saw what was going on. He sees whom I’ve stopped. The sergeant literally grabbed me by my shoulder. He gave [Kennedy] his keys back. He said, ‘Do you know who that is?’ I said, ‘Yes.’”
The sergeant turned to Kennedy, apologized for the “inconvenience” and told him to get back in his car.
“The senator took off, and the sergeant started yelling at me, cussing me out,” Dekelbaum said. “I said, ‘You’re a f****** asshole. What happens if he goes down the street and kills somebody or kills himself? They’re going to see a cop stopped him. They can make me an accessory.”
“Too f****** bad,” the sergeant said. “Don’t ever do it again.”
“If you find a member doing something wrong, you unarrest him,” said Edward P. Percival, another former Capitol Police officer. “It happens all the time.”
“It was common practice to unarrest people because they were powerful or someone powerful intervened,” Terry Coons, a former Capitol Police officer, said. “You always considered what you were going to do with the idea, ‘If I arrest this person, what will happen later? What will the consequences of an arrest be on me?'”
“Congress never wanted the Capitol Police to be so professional that they would have the ability to investigate [the members],” former Capitol Police Sgt. John A. Gott told me. “If they kept us as their little private guards, we would never be a threat.”
Thus, when Sen. Patrick J. Kennedy, D-R.I., lost of his control of his car at 2:45 a.m. on May 6, 2006, almost rammed into a Capitol Police cruiser, and then hit a security barrier, Capitol Police suspected he was drunk but followed the book when encountering a member of Congress: Even though he was staggering and at one point almost fell over, they did not give him a sobriety test or Breathalyzer test. Nor did they arrest him. Instead, they drove him home.
Any other citizen would have spent the night in jail.
After the incident was leaked to the papers, the Capitol Police were forced to undo the cover-up. They eventually cited him, and Kennedy pleaded guilty to driving under the influence of prescription medication.
Of course, anyone in power is susceptible to arrogance. But members of Congress are a special case because they make the laws. From laws prohibiting employment discrimination and sexual harassment to the Freedom of Information Act, they often exempt themselves from the same rules and oversight they impose on the rest of the government and the country.
To be sure, Congress created its own mechanism for dealing with complaints by its own employees of discrimination and sexual harassment. But it is toothless. Unarresting is but another example of Congress carving out an exemption for itself.
Indeed, jeopardizing their own safety, members of Congress even order Capitol Police officers to let them enter congressional buildings without going through metal detectors or showing identification. Officers are supposed to memorize their faces but most admit they have no idea what the 535 voting members look like.
When one officer did not recognize then-Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., on March 29, 2006, and asked her to go through a metal detector, she slugged him. Even though others witnessed the incident, she accused the officer of inappropriately touching a “female black congresswoman.”
“The ego and the arrogance of some of the members had an impact on me,” John R. Niston, a former Capitol Police officer, told me. “They get to the point where they think the people in the country exist to serve them instead of the other way around.”
© 2007 NewsMax. All rights reserved.
so true!!!!
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Junior, I know he ran on a anti- homo agenda, but at the same time there are ALOT of conservative homosexuals who have anti-homosexual agendas, I'm not sticking up for Craig, personally I could care less.........but Frank and his cohorts do something 10X's worse and they keep their careers. So the dude might be a closet homosexual, thats not illegal.
Another thing, get off the "Mr. Hate" thing fuckhead everytime I come on here and express my point of view, trust me, you're the only "Mr. Hate" here.
Bwwaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa a
You are too funny Mr. Hate. Look at how angry you get from something someone you don't know typed on a message board. Look at you defending Craig, what a pathetic spectacle.
Oh, and your insane point that "there are a lot of conservative homosexuals who have anti-homosexual agendas" is asinine. If those people hold public office then they too are outrageous hypocrites and IMO don't deserve to be in positions of power. When you secretly are the thing your beliefs despise the most then you are not fit to hold public office, especially an office as powerful as Senator.
The fact that you attempt to deflect the disgrace that is Craig onto Frank is pure comedy although considering you're a father it's also somewhat sad.
BTW Mr. Hate, "ALOT" isn't one word, the correct way to spell it is to separate the a from lot, it's two words. As in, Mr. Hate has a lot of hate in his rhetoric.
Also, it's "I couldn't care less" not I could care less, saying the latter implies there are things that you care less about.
Craig Case: Congressional Arrogance at Work
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh hhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Look at this, another sad attempt to deflect attention away from the disgrace that is Craig and onto the other party. Notice how it's only Democrats in that article that they refer to? So not one Republican was stopped for speeding or DUI and let go or "unarrested"? Somehow I highly doubt it.
Oh, and you also might ask yourself what exactly that article has to do with a Conservative Senior Senator getting arrested for propositioning anonymous men for sex in a public restroom.
Another shameless and transparent deflection.
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Craig Case: Congressional Arrogance at Work
Friday, August 31, 2007 10:21 AM
Author: Ronald Kessler
Watching Sen. Larry E. Craig’s press conference about his encounter with a police officer in an airport men’s room, I wondered how anyone could be so arrogant as to think he could credibly claim that his only mistake was to plead guilty to the charge stemming from the seamy incident.
Then I remembered "unarresting." Unarresting is not a term you will find in any law. It’s not in any dictionary. But it’s a term known to every officer of the Capitol Police.
Unarresting is what happens when a Capitol Police officer has the misfortune to learn, after having made an arrest, that the person charged is a member of Congress. In that case, a supervisor is called, and he drives the member of Congress home. No record is made of the arrest. In other words, it is covered up.
Of course, if a Capitol Police officer learns before an arrest that the suspect is a member of Congress, the process is much simpler: He never makes the arrest in the first place.
For my book "Inside Congress," former Capitol Police officers described on the record how the process works.
Steven E. Dekelbaum, a former Capitol Police officer who became a metropolitan police detective in Washington, said that one night when he was walking across a street near the Capitol on the green light, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy drove through a red light and almost ran him over.
“He was speeding. The speed limit was 25, and he was well over that,” Dekelbaum told me. “I jumped out of his way. I guess he looked in his rear-view mirror and said, ‘I almost hit a cop.’ He stopped. I approached the car. He reeked [of liquor]. . . I said, ‘Look, senator, you’re pretty drunk, and you almost ran me over.’ I said, ‘I don't want you to get any bad publicity.’ I was pretty diplomatic for a dumb 22-year-old. I knew I would get in trouble otherwise.”
Dekelbaum suggested that Kennedy park his car and take a taxi.
“He said, ‘You know, you’re right.’ I said, ‘I don't want you to kill anybody or kill yourself.’ By this time, the sergeant saw what was going on. He sees whom I’ve stopped. The sergeant literally grabbed me by my shoulder. He gave [Kennedy] his keys back. He said, ‘Do you know who that is?’ I said, ‘Yes.’”
The sergeant turned to Kennedy, apologized for the “inconvenience” and told him to get back in his car.
“The senator took off, and the sergeant started yelling at me, cussing me out,” Dekelbaum said. “I said, ‘You’re a f****** asshole. What happens if he goes down the street and kills somebody or kills himself? They’re going to see a cop stopped him. They can make me an accessory.”
“Too f****** bad,” the sergeant said. “Don’t ever do it again.”
“If you find a member doing something wrong, you unarrest him,” said Edward P. Percival, another former Capitol Police officer. “It happens all the time.”
“It was common practice to unarrest people because they were powerful or someone powerful intervened,” Terry Coons, a former Capitol Police officer, said. “You always considered what you were going to do with the idea, ‘If I arrest this person, what will happen later? What will the consequences of an arrest be on me?'”
“Congress never wanted the Capitol Police to be so professional that they would have the ability to investigate [the members],” former Capitol Police Sgt. John A. Gott told me. “If they kept us as their little private guards, we would never be a threat.”
Thus, when Sen. Patrick J. Kennedy, D-R.I., lost of his control of his car at 2:45 a.m. on May 6, 2006, almost rammed into a Capitol Police cruiser, and then hit a security barrier, Capitol Police suspected he was drunk but followed the book when encountering a member of Congress: Even though he was staggering and at one point almost fell over, they did not give him a sobriety test or Breathalyzer test. Nor did they arrest him. Instead, they drove him home.
Any other citizen would have spent the night in jail.
After the incident was leaked to the papers, the Capitol Police were forced to undo the cover-up. They eventually cited him, and Kennedy pleaded guilty to driving under the influence of prescription medication.
Of course, anyone in power is susceptible to arrogance. But members of Congress are a special case because they make the laws. From laws prohibiting employment discrimination and sexual harassment to the Freedom of Information Act, they often exempt themselves from the same rules and oversight they impose on the rest of the government and the country.
To be sure, Congress created its own mechanism for dealing with complaints by its own employees of discrimination and sexual harassment. But it is toothless. Unarresting is but another example of Congress carving out an exemption for itself.
Indeed, jeopardizing their own safety, members of Congress even order Capitol Police officers to let them enter congressional buildings without going through metal detectors or showing identification. Officers are supposed to memorize their faces but most admit they have no idea what the 535 voting members look like.
When one officer did not recognize then-Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., on March 29, 2006, and asked her to go through a metal detector, she slugged him. Even though others witnessed the incident, she accused the officer of inappropriately touching a “female black congresswoman.”
“The ego and the arrogance of some of the members had an impact on me,” John R. Niston, a former Capitol Police officer, told me. “They get to the point where they think the people in the country exist to serve them instead of the other way around.”
© 2007 NewsMax. All rights reserved.
so true!!!!
Good article. I have to add the "unarrested" to my dictionary. :)
Looks like he may be gone:
Well-placed GOP sources: Craig likely to quit soon
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Several well-placed GOP sources in Washington and Idaho have told CNN that embattled Republican Sen. Larry Craig is likely to resign soon, possibly as early as Friday.
Republican Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho was arrested in June at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.
GOP sources with knowledge of the situation told CNN's Dana Bash that the Republican National Committee was poised to take the extraordinary step of calling on Craig to resign but held off.
The RNC put the move on hold, the sources said, because top party leaders have received indications that Craig himself is preparing to step down.
Sources have confirmed that high-level meetings on the matter were being conducted in Idaho on Thursday.
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/31/craig.arrest/index.html
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Here’s a clue:
I’m not in the closet so I (like most gay men) have no need to connect in public rest rooms. I have no problems hooking up in a bar, getting set up by friends, running a personal ad (with my face showing), getting asked out in a gay gym, etc. Public bathroom sex is for closeted bi--often married--guys who can’t accept their attraction to other men.
I’m sure you are familiar with the type: they patronize body building events, buy the magazines & videos and participate in on-line message boards about huge muscle men who oil up, wear thongs, and pose to music for your “entertainment.” Sound familiar? Have a look in the mirror... I'm sure you'll recognize him. ;)
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Headhunter speaking the truth again. :) I agree. Craig is a hypocrite, but he's also an individual, not an institution or a party. You'll always have people, particularly those with an agenda, trying to make situations like this larger than what they really are.
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This from the man who had a kannipshit over a mutually consentual heterosexual liason that stained a blue dress?
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Not defending him by anymeans, but one persons career get ruined by his actions, it's only fair that anothers should get ruined as well, especially if that offence is alot worse than what Craig was accused for...........the title of this thread should say it all!
I thought you were a Bush supporter? It sounds to me like you're advocating impeachment?
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This from the man who had a kannipshit over a mutually consentual heterosexual liason that stained a blue dress?
::) Which has absolutely nothing to do with my post.
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Good. And remember, he's not gay, he just has sex with anonymous men in public bathrooms. ::)
Sen. Craig announces resignationStory Highlights
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Larry Craig said Saturday he will resign, succumbing to rapidly intensifying pressure from within his own Republican Party.
Sen. Larry Craig, shown here in a 2005 photograph, is facing calls to leave the Senate.
"The people of Idaho deserve a senator who can devote 100 percent of his time and effort to the critical issues of our state and of our nation," said Craig, speaking under a clear blue sky at 10:30 a.m. (12:30 p.m. ET) outside the historic Boise Depot in Idaho's capital city.
"Therefore it is with sadness and deep regret that I announce that it is my intent to resign from the Senate, effective September 30th."
His announcement was greeted by some applause from the gathering.
Craig had been under intense pressure to quit since news surfaced this week that he was arrested in June in a men's room at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport and in August pleaded guilty to a disorderly conduct charge related to the arrest.
An officer investigating reports of lewd behavior in a an airport restroom arrested him.
In a post-arrest police recording released Thursday, Craig denied that he was trying to engage in lewd behavior in the airport restroom and suggested he was entrapped by the arresting officer, who alleged Craig had made signals used by men cruising for sex.
"I sit down to go to the bathroom, and you said our feet bumped," Craig told the officer. "I believe they did ... because I reached down and scooted over and the next thing I knew, under the bathroom divider comes a card that says 'police.' "
Craig said he was in the restroom for its intended purpose and told the officers,"I am not gay. I don't do these kinds of things."
"You shouldn't be out to entrap people either," Craig said. Listen to the interview »
The officer accused Craig of lying during the contentious, eight-minute session.
"I'm just disappointed in you, sir," the officer said. "I mean, people vote for you."
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell on Friday called Craig's conduct "unforgivable" and acknowledged that many in his caucus believed Craig should resign.
"We have acted promptly to begin the process of dealing with this conduct," McConnell said. "We will see what happens in the coming days."
Craig's guilty plea to the misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge came earlier in August, according to state criminal records.
Craig told reporters Tuesday he did not take part in "inappropriate conduct" and said he had "overreacted and made a poor decision" in pleading guilty. No sexual contact is alleged to have taken place.
Craig is a three-term senator who has aligned himself with conservative groups that oppose gay rights. Watch as pressure mounts from fellow Republicans for Craig to resign »
Idaho Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter will name an interim replacement to serve until next year's election. Otter will most certainly name a fellow Republican, who will have a major edge in the 2008 contest, because Idaho is a heavily Republican state.
Republicans familiar with the situation told The Associated Press that Otter supported Lt. Gov. Jim Risch to replace Craig. But Otter's spokesman said the governor would not comment before Craig's announcement Saturday and Risch denied being tapped for the position, the AP reports.
"I have not been promised the job of U.S. senator, nor has there even been a hint that the governor would appoint me to that position," Risch told the AP. "At this point in time, that discussion is very premature."
Meanwhile, a SurveyUSA poll Friday showed that 55 percent of Idaho respondents think Craig should step down. The poll of 475 registered Idaho voters was conducted Tuesday. Thirty-four percent of the 475 respondents said Craig should remain in office.
Craig, 62 and married, earlier this week stepped down from his role in the presidential campaign of Republican Mitt Romney, as well as committee assignments in the Senate.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/01/craig.arrest/index.html
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Sen Craig was a good man who had his name dragged through the mud for political reasons :D
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Here’s a clue:
I’m not in the closet so I (like most gay men) have no need to connect in public rest rooms. I have no problems hooking up in a bar, getting set up by friends, running a personal ad (with my face showing), getting asked out in a gay gym, etc. Public bathroom sex is for closeted bi--often married--guys who can’t accept their attraction to other men.
I’m sure you are familiar with the type: they patronize body building events, buy the magazines & videos and participate in on-line message boards about huge muscle men who oil up, wear thongs, and pose to music for your “entertainment.” Sound familiar? Have a look in the mirror... I'm sure you'll recognize him. ;)
There might be a grain (or more) of truth to this:
Arnold, in his prime, is about as close to a god on Earth as you'll get. :)
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Here’s a clue:
I’m not in the closet so I (like most gay men) have no need to connect in public rest rooms. I have no problems hooking up in a bar, getting set up by friends, running a personal ad (with my face showing), getting asked out in a gay gym, etc. Public bathroom sex is for closeted bi--often married--guys who can’t accept their attraction to other men.
I’m sure you are familiar with the type: they patronize body building events, buy the magazines & videos and participate in on-line message boards about huge muscle men who oil up, wear thongs, and pose to music for your “entertainment.” Sound familiar? Have a look in the mirror... I'm sure you'll recognize him. ;)
::) most of your posts are pretty good, but for shit sake, no way we all meet this profile...
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I assume Craig will do the right thing, divorce and go live with his gay lover.
Living a lie is wrong.
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I assume Craig will do the right thing, divorce and go live with his gay lover.
Living a lie is wrong.
Is it a lie if you do not know you are lying? Denial doesn't just happen in movies and on television; it is a real and powerful phenomenon. :(
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::) most of your posts are pretty good, but for shit sake, no way we all meet this profile...
If a long time (and by your own estimation a) credible source tells you something you do not want to believe something’s got to give: the credibility of your source or your own beliefs. 70% of bodybuilding fans are not as straight as they think they are. I would not say this of other sports, but it is certainly true of body building. Senator Craig still thinks he is straight. Do you think he is? After you answer that question, you can connect the dots of that analog... :-\
We have a saying where I come from: don't listen to what people say; listen to what they do.
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70% of bodybuilding fans are not as straight as they think they are.
What the fuck, did you do a survey :-\ 70% huh ::)
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What the fuck, did you do a survey :-\ 70% huh ::)
just thinking the same thing - where'd he pull that # from?
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Sen. Craig may reconsider resignation, spokesman says
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho may reconsider his resignation if he is cleared of a disorderly conduct charge to which he pleaded guilty last month, his spokesman told CNN on Tuesday.
Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, announced his resignation Saturday in Boise, Idaho.
1 of 2 Dan Whiting said it was still the GOP senator's intention to resign effective September 30, "however, he is fighting these charges and should he be cleared before then, he may -- I emphasize may -- not resign."
Craig announced his resignation Saturday after almost a week of speculation.
The Republican senator was arrested in a restroom in June at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport on suspicion of making sexual advances to an undercover police officer in the next stall.
Craig denied the accusation, and is heard doing so on an audiotape released by police.
But on August 8, he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct.
Since then, Craig has said he regrets pleading guilty and has hired legal counsel to try to get the guilty plea expunged.
A source familiar with Craig's legal proceedings said no paperwork has been filed to change his guilty plea.
Idaho Gov. Butch Otter learned of the senator's possible reconsideration while Otter was shooting a public service announcement, his spokesman, Jon Hanian said.
Otter is to choose a replacement for Craig if he leaves office.
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/04/craig.reconsideration/index.html
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Sep 10, 10:08 AM EDT
Craig blames press for his plea
By MATT APUZZO
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sen. Larry Craig should be allowed to withdraw his guilty plea in a sex sting because he was under extreme stress after being hounded by journalists asking questions about his sexuality, his lawyer argues.
Craig, an Idaho Republican, pleaded guilty in August to disorderly conduct following a sting operation in a men's bathroom at the Minneapolis airport. His lawyer, William Martin, said he will file court documents Monday trying to undo that decision so Craig can fight the charge.
Martin said Monday that Craig did not "knowingly and intelligently enter a guilty plea." The senator simply admitted conduct that "itself does not constitute a crime," Martin said.
"He admits to going into the bathroom, he admits to moving his foot, he admits to reaching his hand down," Martin said on NBC's "Today" show. "That's not a crime."
Persuading a judge to withdraw a guilty plea is difficult but Craig will argue that he was under too much stress to knowingly plead guilty, Martin said.
"He was under tremendous pressure," Martin said in a telephone interview.
In particular, Martin cited pressure from Craig's hometown newspaper, the Idaho Statesman, which spent months investigating whether Craig engaged in homosexual encounters.
Craig, who has denied such suggestions and accused the newspaper of conducting a "witch hunt," was so concerned about that investigation, he quickly pleaded guilty when arrested in the bathroom sex sting, Martin said. Craig did not consult with a lawyer or appear in court.
He figured, "I'm innocent but if this will make it go away I'll do it," Martin said.
A police report alleged that Craig had solicited sex from a male officer at the Minneapolis airport in June.
Patrick Hogan, a spokesman for the Metropolitan Airports Commission, which runs the airport, declined to comment on Martin's arguments.
"We do feel we have a strong case, and he's already made his plea, and it's been accepted by the court," Hogan said Monday. "From our standpoint, this is already a done deal. Mr. Craig was arrested and signed a guilty plea, and from our standpoint, this case is already over."
Craig will argue in court documents that he cannot have pleaded guilty since what he did was not illegal. The police officer said Craig bumped his foot, then tried to signal him with hand gestures beneath the stall divider.
Craig maintains he inadvertently touched the officer's foot but made no hand gestures. He said he was merely picking up a piece of paper.
"Even if you accept that he did what he did, it's not a crime," Martin said.
Martin said he was not involved in discussions about Craig's future in the Senate. Craig originally announced he would resign at the end of the month, then said he was reconsidering that decision. His chief spokesman later said Craig had dropped virtually all notions of trying to finish his third term.
"My job is to get him back to where he was before his rights were taken away," Martin said.
Craig's congressional spokesman has said the only way that Craig is likely to remain in the Senate is if a court moves quickly to overturn the conviction, something that is unlikely to happen before the end of the month.
But Judy Smith, a spokeswoman for Craig's legal team, said the lawyers are focused only on the Minnesota case, not political outcomes.
Many Republicans have urged Craig to say for sure that he will resign. That would spare the party an ethics dilemma and the embarrassment of dealing with a colleague who had been stripped of his committee leadership posts.
It also would negate the need for a Senate ethics committee investigation, which GOP leaders had requested.
If Craig succeeds in undoing his plea, he would likely try to have the charges dismissed to avoid an embarrassing trial.
Appearing on CNN's "Late Edition," Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said Craig is entitled to his day in court.
"Maybe he'll be convicted, but I doubt it," said Specter, the Senate Judiciary Committee's ranking Republican.
Specter said that when he learned the details of the arrest "I was convinced that he couldn't be convicted if he fought the case."
Minnesota law is that a guilty plea may be withdrawn if it was not intelligently made "and what Sen. Craig did was by no means intelligent," said Specter.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CRAIG_SENATE?SITE=HIHAD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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Court grants Sen. Craig hearing on sex charge
Tue Sep 11, 5:22 PM ET
CHICAGO (Reuters) - A Minnesota court on Tuesday granted U.S. Sen. Larry Craig a hearing on his request to let him take back the guilty plea he made after his arrest in a men's room sex sting.
The Hennepin County District Court said the hearing would be held on September 26 at a courthouse in Edina, a town near Minneapolis -- just days before the September 30 deadline the Idaho Republican set for himself to resign if his name is not cleared.
The announcement came a day after lawyers for the three-term senator filed a motion in court saying he pleaded guilty to the charge against him because he panicked under intense anxiety and fear of publicity, and is innocent of wrongdoing.
Craig, 62, pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct in August, was ordered to pay $575 and given a 10-day suspended sentence.
He was arrested on June 11 at the Minneapolis airport by an undercover officer who said Craig peeked into his stall, sat down in the stall next to him, tapped his foot and later brushed it against his and reached his hand under the divider in an effort to solicit a sexual encounter.
Under pressure from Republicans, who lost control of Congress last year following a string of scandals, Craig announced his intention to resign effective September 30, but indicated he might not do so if he could clear his name.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070911/pl_nm/usa_politics_craig_dc;_ylt=ApA_dutwUm0uasK3iVaYU1Ia.3QA
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Prosecutor: Craig Urged to Get a Lawyer
JOSHUA FREED | September 24, 2007 07:10 PM EST |
MINNEAPOLIS — The prosecutor who brought charges against Sen. Larry Craig in an airport sex sting says he told the Idaho senator that he should hire an attorney, according to court papers filed Monday.
Prosecutor Christopher Renz, in a motion opposing Craig's request to withdraw his guilty plea, wrote that he spent considerable time in a July 17 conversation telling the Idaho senator how the legal process would work if he chose to plead guilty.
"The defendant told Mr. Renz that he felt he was in a difficult situation as the result of the public office he held, in response to which Mr. Renz said that he appreciated that difficulty and for that reason the defendant should consult with an attorney," Renz wrote.
Craig, R-Idaho, did not, and eventually pleaded guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct. He has since said that he was panicked into admitting to a crime he did not commit. A Hennepin County judge is set to consider Craig's request on Wednesday.
Renz wrote that Craig had plenty of time between his June 11 arrest and Aug. 1, when he signed a plea petition, to think about the consequences of pleading guilty and whether he had actually committed a crime in the airport bathroom.
Craig's arrest and guilty plea weren't reported in the news media until Aug. 27. On Sept. 1, Craig announced plans to resign by Sept. 30. He later suggested he might stay in the Senate if he could successfully overturn his plea.
Renz wrote that Craig didn't decide to withdraw his plea until after he was hurt by the publicity of the allegations. Denying his motion "prevents further politicking and game playing on the part of the defendant in relation to his plea," Renz wrote.
Craig clearly "had hoped that he could plead guilty and that the plea would not be discovered by the media or public," Renz wrote. "The defendant chose to plead guilty and consciously took that risk. The defendant's current pursuit of withdrawal of his guilty plea is reactionary, calculated and political."
Judy Smith, a spokeswoman for Craig's lawyer, Billy Martin, said, "Our response to the prosecutor's motion will be in court."
Craig was arrested by an undercover police officer in a sting in an airport bathroom known as a meeting place for anonymous sex. The officer alleged Craig peered into his stall, slid his foot under a divider to touch the officer's, and swiped his hand under the divider as a signal that he was soliciting sex. In a plea bargain, Craig admitted to disorderly conduct and paid $575 in fines and fees. A gross misdemeanor charge of interfering with privacy was dismissed.
According to the prosecutor's filing, Craig called Renz several times as the case proceeded, starting even before charges were filed.
In a June 25 call, Craig asked Renz how the case would proceed. Renz wrote in an affidavit that he told the senator that if his criminal record was clean, he would probably be able to plead guilty to disorderly conduct with the other charge being dismissed.
Craig never appeared "to have a tone or sense of urgency, panic or overt emotion," Renz wrote in an affidavit.
Renz also wrote that Craig should not be able to claim he was ignorant about his guilty plea. Craig has a college degree, has served in Congress for 30 years, and has sponsored or co-sponsored at least 10 bills that dealt with criminal law, Renz wrote.
Renz warned of a "deluge" of defendants who would ask to withdraw guilty pleas if Craig succeeds. The prosecutor said his office was contacted by a defendant trying to withdraw his plea soon after Craig announced that he regretted pleading guilty.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070924/craig-senate/
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How can this man be trusted to make laws spending billions of dollars - yet he claims he cannot understand a single misdemeanor charge? This is silly.
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BUMP for the lib hating brainwashed lobby.
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"Cruise" Control: Straight Talk on the True Nature of Homosexual Behavior
By Austin Nimocks - legal counsel for Alliance Defense Fund (townhall.com (http://townhall.com))
Friday, September 28, 2007
While Washington, D.C., and the American media have seen fit to take Idaho Senator Larry Craig to task for his misdemeanor guilty plea and subsequent attempt to withdraw it, there seems to be a convenient lack of discussion on why an otherwise seemingly well-adjusted, successful politician, who is married with children, would proposition a same-sex encounter in a public restroom. Is homosexual behavior the exclusive province of those who openly declare themselves to be "gay" or "lesbian," or is it simply an example of impulsive and imperfect human conduct?
In the legal arena, many groups attempting to further the homosexual agenda dodge this critical question. And the media will hardly touch it. But there it is: the elephant in the middle of the room that must be addressed, just as the Alliance Defense Fund has routinely done in its legal briefs defending marriage and the family. Political special interests filing lawsuits shouldn't trump what's in the best interest of families and children, who are affected by such things. This is the very issue that ADF and others are up against: the use of the courts to further an image that may not be reality and the ramifications that come from that when it comes to these issues.
For those of us who have been involved in these issues for years, the Senator Craig story portrays an actual and true sense of mainstream homosexual conduct. Those pushing the homosexual agenda, including their accomplices in the media, typically portray presentable and socially successful persons who have purportedly made a lifelong and stable commitment to another person of the same sex. Over time, the American people have been lulled into the belief that all persons engaged in homosexual behavior are open about, committed to, and comfortable with their choice. Such is why a growing number of heterosexual Americans are sympathetic to the perceived "rights" of those who engage in homosexual conduct.
However, for all of the clamoring about "rights" (demands, in reality) and the acceptance of behavior that they supposedly have no choice about, homosexual advocates have no proof. The elusive "gay gene" remains a figment of scientific imagination but cleverly slipped into society's stream of consciousness such that we are asked to believe that it exists. Yet, the science (or lack thereof) in this regard is unmistakable. A recent study by Columbia University published in the American Journal of Sociology concluded that the existence of any relationship between genes and hormones on "sexual orientation" is "inconclusive at best." Moreover, a myriad of publications like the Journal of Sex Research, Developmental Psychology, and the Journal of Clinical Psychology (just to name a few) have all published studies concluding that homosexual conduct is not immutable but comes in behavioral phases.
Though the American Psychological Association elected to remove homosexual behavior from its list of mental disorders, surprisingly lacking is the scientific proof showing it to be anything but inappropriate or unnatural human conduct. Rather, the APA dismissively says that "sexual orientation falls along a continuum. In other words, someone does not have to be exclusively homosexual or heterosexual, but can feel varying degrees of attraction for both genders" (www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/facts.pdf (http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/facts.pdf)). Thus, homosexual behavior is just that—behavior.
What the Larry Craig story brought to light, in a way untouched by others, is the true story of homosexual behavior. When the advocates of homosexual expression attempt to sell us the all-American pictures of lifelong, committed same-sex couples, who participate in intimate behavior only in their bedrooms, it is important to know that this is the exception—not the rule. In their book The Homosexual Agenda, ADF President Alan Sears and co-author Craig Osten quote lesbian writer Camille Paglia:
"After a period of optimism about the long-range potential of gay men's one-on-one relationships, gay magazines are starting to acknowledge the more relaxed standards operating here, with recent articles celebrating the bigger bang of sex with strangers or proposing "monogamy without fidelity"—the latest Orwellian formulation to excuse having your cake and eating it too."
Homosexual "cruising," like that to which Larry Craig pled guilty, comprises an extraordinary amount of intimate, homosexual behavioral encounters in and amongst public society every day (www.popcenter.org/Problems/PDFs/Schultz_1998.pdf). So much so, that even the American Civil Liberties Union, in the context of the Larry Craig situation, came to the defense of such behavior as "constitutionally protected speech."
Lest we believe that the men's rooms in the Minneapolis airport are the only places that this type of conduct occurs, the Larry Craig case is merely the tip of the iceberg. "Cruising" can be found all over the country. In one study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of a major metropolitan area in the northwestern United States, 88% of men infected with STDs were engaging in homosexual behavior at public but anonymous venues such as bath houses. In another study by the CDC, 64% of men who contracted an STD were having sex with men in public places.
Still have doubt about the prevalence of "cruising"? Then consider the Little Black Book published by Lambda Legal (data.lambdalegal.org/pdf/262.pdf (http://data.lambdalegal.org/pdf/262.pdf)). The Little Black Book is a disturbing example of one of this country's largest homosexual behavior advocacy groups offering legal advice on how to "safely" act both illegally and unsafely. When the Little Black Book warns that "Remember cops may be 'cruising' too," I suppose that this is what Lambda Legal considers good, well-reasoned advice. Instead of helping its followers engage in illegal homosexual behavior, one would think Lambda Legal would genuinely attempt to help those about whom it professes to care by warning of the dangers of "cruising" and discouraging it as a practice.
Recently, significant news on the issue of "cruising" came forth from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, where the mayor remains under extraordinary public scrutiny for suggesting measures to curb the out-of-control homosexual "cruising" in his city. After all, with him alleging that his city has the highest HIV infection ratio from homosexual conduct in the country, you would think that the mayor's efforts would be applauded, not condemned, especially by the homosexual community. However, Fort Lauderdale's problems bring to light the true face of homosexual behavior—anonymous and multiple sexual encounters in public places—something that the advocates of homosexual behavior do not want exposed.
The arrest of Larry Craig and the focus on him as a public figure recalls a few other public figures who pass in and out of homosexual behavior. To name just a few, Hollywood actress Anne Heche, one time same-sex partner of Ellen DeGeneres, subsequently married a man. Pop singer, Elton John, once married to a woman, now professes to be a homosexual. Actress Drew Barrymore has publicly pronounced that she is bisexual, as has Academy Award winner, Angelina Jolie. Can we really scientifically explain these sexual chameleons, and so many others, with inconsistent behavioral histories? Are we to believe that their "gay gene" is malfunctioning?
In the end, those who profess to be "gay" or "lesbian," or who have otherwise slipped in and out of homosexual behavior, including "cruising" for anonymous partners, are people who succumb to a dangerous temptation. We should not accept as genetics that which is a choice.
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"Cruise" Control: Straight Talk on the True Nature of Homosexual Behavior
By Austin Nimocks - legal counsel for Alliance Defense Fund (townhall.com (http://townhall.com))
Friday, September 28, 2007
While Washington, D.C., and the American media have seen fit to take Idaho Senator Larry Craig to task for his misdemeanor guilty plea and subsequent attempt to withdraw it, there seems to be a convenient lack of discussion on why an otherwise seemingly well-adjusted, successful politician, who is married with children, would proposition a same-sex encounter in a public restroom. Is homosexual behavior the exclusive province of those who openly declare themselves to be "gay" or "lesbian," or is it simply an example of impulsive and imperfect human conduct?
In the legal arena, many groups attempting to further the homosexual agenda dodge this critical question. And the media will hardly touch it. But there it is: the elephant in the middle of the room that must be addressed, just as the Alliance Defense Fund has routinely done in its legal briefs defending marriage and the family. Political special interests filing lawsuits shouldn't trump what's in the best interest of families and children, who are affected by such things. This is the very issue that ADF and others are up against: the use of the courts to further an image that may not be reality and the ramifications that come from that when it comes to these issues.
For those of us who have been involved in these issues for years, the Senator Craig story portrays an actual and true sense of mainstream homosexual conduct. Those pushing the homosexual agenda, including their accomplices in the media, typically portray presentable and socially successful persons who have purportedly made a lifelong and stable commitment to another person of the same sex. Over time, the American people have been lulled into the belief that all persons engaged in homosexual behavior are open about, committed to, and comfortable with their choice. Such is why a growing number of heterosexual Americans are sympathetic to the perceived "rights" of those who engage in homosexual conduct.
However, for all of the clamoring about "rights" (demands, in reality) and the acceptance of behavior that they supposedly have no choice about, homosexual advocates have no proof. The elusive "gay gene" remains a figment of scientific imagination but cleverly slipped into society's stream of consciousness such that we are asked to believe that it exists. Yet, the science (or lack thereof) in this regard is unmistakable. A recent study by Columbia University published in the American Journal of Sociology concluded that the existence of any relationship between genes and hormones on "sexual orientation" is "inconclusive at best." Moreover, a myriad of publications like the Journal of Sex Research, Developmental Psychology, and the Journal of Clinical Psychology (just to name a few) have all published studies concluding that homosexual conduct is not immutable but comes in behavioral phases.
Though the American Psychological Association elected to remove homosexual behavior from its list of mental disorders, surprisingly lacking is the scientific proof showing it to be anything but inappropriate or unnatural human conduct. Rather, the APA dismissively says that "sexual orientation falls along a continuum. In other words, someone does not have to be exclusively homosexual or heterosexual, but can feel varying degrees of attraction for both genders" (www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/facts.pdf (http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/facts.pdf)). Thus, homosexual behavior is just that—behavior.
What the Larry Craig story brought to light, in a way untouched by others, is the true story of homosexual behavior. When the advocates of homosexual expression attempt to sell us the all-American pictures of lifelong, committed same-sex couples, who participate in intimate behavior only in their bedrooms, it is important to know that this is the exception—not the rule. In their book The Homosexual Agenda, ADF President Alan Sears and co-author Craig Osten quote lesbian writer Camille Paglia:
"After a period of optimism about the long-range potential of gay men's one-on-one relationships, gay magazines are starting to acknowledge the more relaxed standards operating here, with recent articles celebrating the bigger bang of sex with strangers or proposing "monogamy without fidelity"—the latest Orwellian formulation to excuse having your cake and eating it too."
Homosexual "cruising," like that to which Larry Craig pled guilty, comprises an extraordinary amount of intimate, homosexual behavioral encounters in and amongst public society every day (www.popcenter.org/Problems/PDFs/Schultz_1998.pdf). So much so, that even the American Civil Liberties Union, in the context of the Larry Craig situation, came to the defense of such behavior as "constitutionally protected speech."
Lest we believe that the men's rooms in the Minneapolis airport are the only places that this type of conduct occurs, the Larry Craig case is merely the tip of the iceberg. "Cruising" can be found all over the country. In one study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of a major metropolitan area in the northwestern United States, 88% of men infected with STDs were engaging in homosexual behavior at public but anonymous venues such as bath houses. In another study by the CDC, 64% of men who contracted an STD were having sex with men in public places.
Still have doubt about the prevalence of "cruising"? Then consider the Little Black Book published by Lambda Legal (data.lambdalegal.org/pdf/262.pdf (http://data.lambdalegal.org/pdf/262.pdf)). The Little Black Book is a disturbing example of one of this country's largest homosexual behavior advocacy groups offering legal advice on how to "safely" act both illegally and unsafely. When the Little Black Book warns that "Remember cops may be 'cruising' too," I suppose that this is what Lambda Legal considers good, well-reasoned advice. Instead of helping its followers engage in illegal homosexual behavior, one would think Lambda Legal would genuinely attempt to help those about whom it professes to care by warning of the dangers of "cruising" and discouraging it as a practice.
Recently, significant news on the issue of "cruising" came forth from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, where the mayor remains under extraordinary public scrutiny for suggesting measures to curb the out-of-control homosexual "cruising" in his city. After all, with him alleging that his city has the highest HIV infection ratio from homosexual conduct in the country, you would think that the mayor's efforts would be applauded, not condemned, especially by the homosexual community. However, Fort Lauderdale's problems bring to light the true face of homosexual behavior—anonymous and multiple sexual encounters in public places—something that the advocates of homosexual behavior do not want exposed.
The arrest of Larry Craig and the focus on him as a public figure recalls a few other public figures who pass in and out of homosexual behavior. To name just a few, Hollywood actress Anne Heche, one time same-sex partner of Ellen DeGeneres, subsequently married a man. Pop singer, Elton John, once married to a woman, now professes to be a homosexual. Actress Drew Barrymore has publicly pronounced that she is bisexual, as has Academy Award winner, Angelina Jolie. Can we really scientifically explain these sexual chameleons, and so many others, with inconsistent behavioral histories? Are we to believe that their "gay gene" is malfunctioning?
In the end, those who profess to be "gay" or "lesbian," or who have otherwise slipped in and out of homosexual behavior, including "cruising" for anonymous partners, are people who succumb to a dangerous temptation. We should not accept as genetics that which is a choice.
Drew Barrymore is bisexual? :o I'm always the last one to find this stuff out. :)
Good article. It seems the bathhouse behavior has reemerged. :-\
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Drew Barrymore is bisexual? :o I'm always the last one to find this stuff out. :)
lol ;D haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa