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I am not talking about total cans, but any known fighters? I think he might be able to beat Herring and possibly Monson, but I doubt that. He really should hang it up, he is a horrible fighter.
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UFC 77:Kimbo vs. Cro Cop :o
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Just because he lost two fights doesn't make him a horrible fighter.
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tim sylvia
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tim sylvia
Sylvia would destroy Crocop.
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haha
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Crocop needs to stop being a "pussy"...he started the fight with his "I'm gonna maul this guy" attitude and then all of a sudden he started being worried that he needs to win no matter how and slowed down the pace....That does not work for him, he needs to "hunt" all his opponents down and just be relentless like usually...... D
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Brad Imes........maybe ;D
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Brad Imes........maybe ;D
I doubt it. Dana should make Crocop be on the next TUF. He would probably get beat by some no name in the first fight. I wonder if Dana signed him knowing that he was this horrible just to show how superior his product really is to Pride.
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I wonder if Dana signed him knowing that he was this horrible just to show how superior his product really is to Pride.
No.
Rampage has walked right through his LHW division. KO his boy Liddell.
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No.
Rampage has walked right through his LHW division. KO his boy Liddell.
Yeah, Rampage has been pretty lucky. Makes you wonder why everyone thought Crocop was so good though. I bet Fedor would get murdered in the UFC, I think he and Crocop fought to a decision in Pride. I bet the average can would beat the piss out of Fedor. Wesley Correira would probably beat him inside of 2 minutes.
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exactly one year ago today mirko won the open weight GP, how the mighty have fallen :'(
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exactly one year ago today mirko won the open weight GP, how the mighty have fallen :'(
Dan Severn would probably kill Crocop.
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hahahaha you're killing me Danny ;D
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Sylvia would destroy Crocop.
Only if he pummelled him in the nuts and shit his pants to keep CC two kicks lengths away. I would take Kongo or Gonzaga vs. that piece of trailer trash.
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Yeah, Rampage has been pretty lucky. Makes you wonder why everyone thought Crocop was so good though. I bet Fedor would get murdered in the UFC, I think he and Crocop fought to a decision in Pride. I bet the average can would beat the piss out of Fedor. Wesley Correira would probably beat him inside of 2 minutes.
Hahaha Danny's hate for Crocop is flowing freely... Ya think you can take him Danielson? :)
I have to disagree on fedor though. Eg if fedor had to fight kongo he would have taken him down and finished him on the ground by doing whatever he felt like.
I must say, i'm a bit disgusted by Crocop after the last two fights. It's clear he doesn't have it in him anymore... He's just there to collect the paychecks. Though he was trying to get a ko in the first round he kinda gave up after that. Very disappointing. I still hope he gets his shot back togheter and finishes his career with two ko's by high kick.
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Ya think you can take him Danielson? :)
No, but I think Ken Shamrock would kill him.
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I think you're an idiot. It's obvious he doesn't care anymore. If he gave a shit I suspect he'd be holding the belt without a problem. ::)
I don't think I'd be fighting too well if I took three knees to the balls, either.
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I think you're an idiot. It's obvious he doesn't care anymore. If he gave a shit I suspect he'd be holding the belt without a problem. ::)
I don't think I'd be fighting too well if I took three knees to the balls, either.
Or had a broken Rib...
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I doubt it. Dana should make Crocop be on the next TUF. He would probably get beat by some no name in the first fight. I wonder if Dana signed him knowing that he was this horrible just to show how superior his product really is to Pride.
What do you mean superior?? Rampage is from pride, Anderson Silva is from pride, and those guys rolled over the UFC Champs. Pride has always had better fighters.
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What do you mean superior?? Rampage is from pride, Anderson Silva is from pride, and those guys rolled over the UFC Champs. Pride has always had better fighters.
Those two are pretty good, although I do think that Rampage is overrated and will lose soon. Cropcop on the other hand would have a tough time getting past Mike Whitehead.
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I think you're an idiot. It's obvious he doesn't care anymore. If he gave a shit I suspect he'd be holding the belt without a problem. ::)
I don't think I'd be fighting too well if I took three knees to the balls, either.
He does care. You could see it in the interview after the fight. He is upset. I am assuming he had no idea how much better the fighters in the UFC are or has just gotten too old. He had a chance to get the belt. If he had beaten Gonzaga he would have had a title shot. He got KTFO and then Gonzaga went on to get his ass beat by Randy. I am pretty sure after seeing Crocop fight Saturday that Randy would have a field day with him, maybe even spank him literally like he did to Tito.
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knees to the balls or not he wouldve lot that fight
it was great to hear the duran duran intro song tho, but not many people applauded kongo when he entered... i did tho!
KONGO IS A BEAST!
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knees to the balls or not he wouldve lot that fight
it was great to hear the duran duran intro song tho, but not many people applauded kongo when he entered... i did tho!
KONGO IS A BEAST!
Yes, like I said, who should Dana pit him against next? I am not sure there are any legitimate fighters he can beat. And Eddie Sanchez is dead, so he can't fight him again ;D
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Yes, like I said, who should Dana pit him against next? I am not sure there are any legitimate fighters he can beat. And Eddie Sanchez is dead, so he can't fight him again ;D
Eat dick.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Yes, like I said, who should Dana pit him against next? I am not sure there are any legitimate fighters he can beat. And Eddie Sanchez is dead, so he can't fight him again ;D
indeed this is quite the challenge for dana, i shouldve asked him that question when i met him ;D
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indeed this is quite the challenge for dana, i shouldve asked him that question when i met him ;D
I wish you would have. I honestly can not think of any fight involving him that would generate any type of real interest. Saturdays fight was already the third to last fight behind the main event and Hamil-Bisping, where does he go from here?
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He does care. You could see it in the interview after the fight. He is upset. I am assuming he had no idea how much better the fighters in the UFC are or has just gotten too old. He had a chance to get the belt. If he had beaten Gonzaga he would have had a title shot. He got KTFO and then Gonzaga went on to get his ass beat by Randy. I am pretty sure after seeing Crocop fight Saturday that Randy would have a field day with him, maybe even spank him literally like he did to Tito.
You're proving how much of a TUF fanboy you are in this thread. You really do know next to nothing. So he was a little upset? He's obviously not training hard enough to do anything. What has Randy really done since he came back? Beat an incredibly overrated Sylvia and an overrated Napao who wasn't ready to step up. CroCop is fighting with no fire and it's obvious to anyone who knows what's going on. Not that it matters, Rampage, A. Silva and Hendo are Pride fighters last I checked, and they're pretty much unstoppable right now. Not to mention Shogun is going to pummel anyone in the UFC when he shows up.
But go on, keep acting like you know what you're talking about. ;)
I can't think of one LHW or HW in the UFC that can even hold a candle to Pride's best right now.
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also one got to remember that the majority of people watching ufc hasnt seen crocop at his best, they could care less what he did in japan. sometimes i wonder if joe rogan is the only one that keeps up with whats going on over there as he cant stop babbling about it...
for years the pride fans has been talking about how crocop would destroy everyone in ufc, if there ever were a fight between organizations... ::)
now they see their homeboy beaten and they start whining about knees to the balls and other excuses
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also one got to remember that the majority of people watching ufc hasnt seen crocop at his best, they could care less what he did in japan. sometimes i wonder if joe rogan is the only one that keeps up with whats going on over there as he cant stop babbling about it...
for years the pride fans has been talking about how crocop would destroy everyone in ufc, if there ever were a fight between organizations... ::)
now they see their homeboy beaten and they start whining about knees to the balls and other excuses
You really think anyone in the UFC HW division could beat the CC that steamrolled through the OWGP? Doubt it. Then again, you're the same guy claiming to have attended a UFC event with no pics. ;)
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You really think anyone in the UFC HW division could beat the CC that steamrolled through the OWGP? Doubt it. Then again, you're the same guy claiming to have attended a UFC event with no pics. ;)
all i know is that you're part of the pride fanboys that for years have bitched about how superior they are, now they send their top guy after fedor to the ufc and he lose 2 fights outta 2.
makes you wonder who else from pride that is overrated...
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all i know is that you're part of the pride fanboys that for years have bitched about how superior they are, now they send their top guy after fedor to the ufc and he lose 2 fights outta 2.
makes you wonder who else from pride that is overrated...
Damn, and here I was thinking that Rampage absolutely annihilated the guy viewed as the best fighter in the world, in 90 seconds nonetheless after having spent most of his career in Pride. A. Silva's doing alright and I'm sure Big Nog will do fine. Not to mention the other guys crossing over. ;)
You should crawl back into your hole Bluto. Between your bs claims of attending UFC events to your complete lack of any logical thought, only makes it laughably pathetic that you also claim to have cage fought for 15+ years now. ;)
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Damn, and here I was thinking that Rampage absolutely annihilated the guy viewed as the best fighter in the world, in 90 seconds nonetheless after having spent most of his career in Pride. A. Silva's doing alright and I'm sure Big Nog will do fine. Not to mention the other guys crossing over. ;)
You should crawl back into your hole Bluto. Between your bs claims of attending UFC events to your complete lack of any logical thought, only makes it laughably pathetic that you also claim to have cage fought for 15+ years now. ;)
facts remain, crocop is the second guy after fedor that everyone talked for years how he would beat anyone in ufc no question, being in a league of his own etc etc etc
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You're proving how much of a TUF fanboy you are in this thread. You really do know next to nothing. So he was a little upset? He's obviously not training hard enough to do anything. What has Randy really done since he came back? Beat an incredibly overrated Sylvia and an overrated Napao who wasn't ready to step up. CroCop is fighting with no fire and it's obvious to anyone who knows what's going on. Not that it matters, Rampage, A. Silva and Hendo are Pride fighters last I checked, and they're pretty much unstoppable right now. Not to mention Shogun is going to pummel anyone in the UFC when he shows up.
But go on, keep acting like you know what you're talking about. ;)
I can't think of one LHW or HW in the UFC that can even hold a candle to Pride's best right now.
I am not a TUF fanboy. It is a reality show. I watch it for entertainment. Crocop sucks right now. Silva is a great fighter, but he fought in Pride like 4 or 5 times, so I don't consider him a Pride fighter. I have always preferred the UFC to Pride, so what? The question remains, who should Crocop fight next? Who would you pit him against?
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maybe they can have him fight arlovski. whoever lose is out of the ufc forever
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maybe they can have him fight arlovski. whoever lose is out of the ufc forever
But Arlovski sucks lately too. I really don't see any worthwhile opponent for him now. I thought maybe some people would throw out some names in this thread, but it's the same old shit "Pride is so much better, blah blah". And if Crocop doesn't win, it was because he didn't want to win, like that makes sense. ::) Other than Arlovski, which would prove nothing if he beat him, who could he fight and possibly beat?
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But Arlovski sucks lately too. I really don't see any worthwhile opponent for him now. I thought maybe some people would throw out some names in this thread, but it's the same old shit "Pride is so much better, blah blah". And if Crocop doesn't win, it was because he didn't want to win, like that makes sense. ::) Other than Arlovski, which would prove nothing if he beat him, who could he fight and possibly beat?
im just saying he might go the same route as arlovski and become a has-been if he doesnt win his next fight
haha im watching ufc right now joe rogan got his head up prides ass that he says "i give the groundgame advantage to fedor" ;D ;D ;D
i bet joe rogan has wet dreams about being a pride fc commentator
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Maybe he could beat Herring, but I doubt it. I would like to see Tank fight him and beat the piss out of him.
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he fought herring before
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he fought herring before
In the UFC? I realize he used to be a good fighter, but I am talking about now. How does Dana get his moneys worth now?
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i dont know what dana is thinking right now but the purse for crocop has gone down... he got some big money for his first ufc fight... haha that reminds me, didnt a lot of people here on mma board talk about how crocop only signed a few fights and he would win the title and then leave and fight for pride again? hahahah berzerkfury and the other clueless morons...
crocop might be heading for that art of war organization... along with the other losers, monson, jeremy horn etc
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i dont know what dana is thinking right now but the purse for crocop has gone down... he got some big money for his first ufc fight... haha that reminds me, didnt a lot of people here on mma board talk about how crocop only signed a few fights and he would win the title and then leave and fight for pride again? hahahah berzerkfury and the other clueless morons...
crocop might be heading for that art of war organization... along with the other losers, monson, jeremy horn etc
Well, thats the cool thing about MMA. You never know how someone will do on any given night. I have picked losers many, many times. Lost bets etc. I would never praise someone like they were a God and then make excuses for him. That to me makes no sense at all. I also think he should be demoted to WEC or something. I don't want to watch him fight again.
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joe rogan is full of shit talking about how crocop ko's people with the head kick, fact is it only happend twice since 2001!
that means if gonzaga ko's one more guy with a head kick, he's up there with cro cop ::)
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joe rogan is full of shit talking about how crocop ko's people with the head kick, fact is it only happend twice since 2001!
that means if gonzaga ko's one more guy with a head kick, he's up there with cro cop ::)
As is Rashad Evans, who by the way I think would destroy Crocop.
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As is Rashad Evans, who by the way I think would destroy Crocop.
the irony of everybody talking about crocops headkicks and he gets to taste his own medicine getting koed by gonzaga was brutal... did i say gonzaga? i mean NAPAO
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joe rogan is full of shit talking about how crocop ko's people with the head kick, fact is it only happend twice since 2001!
that means if gonzaga ko's one more guy with a head kick, he's up there with cro cop ::)
lol
Well Joe Rogan doesn't look too bright does he?
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You guys think CC has the heart to beat Josh Haynes?
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Danielson doing a good job proving he just started watching MMA 6 months ago! I'm impressed. You're acting like Bluto more and more every day. All you have to do is claim to have cage fought longer than any belt holder in any MMA organization, say you've gone to an event with no pics and you're golden! :D
I'm still lost though. Who is exactly a good UFC HW right now? Napao was shown to be overrated, like I said. Randy's ok, nothing spectacular. The Maine-iac needs a .45 round to the temple. Big Nog is the only great fighter if you ask me. I'm sure he'll prove that when he beats Randy for the belt next!
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lol
Well Joe Rogan doesn't look too bright does he?
joe rogan probably became a commentator after winning some ultimate fanboy contest
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joe rogan probably became a commentator after winning some ultimate fanboy contest
He's a better commentator than Rutten ever was!
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Danielson doing a good job proving he just started watching MMA 6 months ago! I'm impressed. You're acting like Bluto more and more every day. All you have to do is claim to have cage fought longer than any belt holder in any MMA organization, say you've gone to an event with no pics and you're golden! :D
I'm still lost though. Who is exactly a good UFC HW right now? Napao was shown to be overrated, like I said. Randy's ok, nothing spectacular. The Maine-iac needs a .45 round to the temple. Big Nog is the only great fighter if you ask me. I'm sure he'll prove that when he beats Randy for the belt next!
You take this Crocop shit pretty serious, huh?
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You take this Crocop shit pretty serious, huh?
hahaha, it's all good. I haven't argued MMA in a while. Just enjoying it while I can. CroCop obviously doesn't care about fighting anymore, so I don't see why I would.
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How about Kimbo? He would literally kill CC!
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You seem bitter that 95% of the UFC fighters are cans. :-\
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You seem bitter that 95% of the UFC fighters are cans. :-\
You know damn well that I don't give a fuck. I just hate CC and am gloating about it :D
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You know damn well that I don't give a fuck. I just hate CC and am gloating about it :D
He fuck your sister or something? Very strange to hate someone you've never met. Sounding more and more like the Blutster!
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He fuck your sister or something? Very strange to hate someone you've never met. Sounding more and more like the Blutster!
You seem to be more offended that I don't like him than anything. :-\
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Hahaha Bezerkfairy seems to be devoting a lot of energy to the cause of defending Cro Cop.
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Hahaha Bezerkfairy seems to be devoting a lot of energy to the cause of defending Cro Cop.
Because Karate fighters are too dangerous. They are taught to strike the throat, groin, eyes, and headbutt - in addition to all the kicks utilized by kickboxers + front kicks, back kicks, crescent kicks, side-kicks, snap kicks, etc. UFC is biased to ground fighters. But it makes sense - because people would be crippled if they didn't do it that way.
;D
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great excuse
crocop loses and its "he doesnt care anymore"
cant that be said about pretty much anybody losing 2 fights in a row in mma?
what kinda lame excuse is that?
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great excuse
crocop loses and its "he doesnt care anymore"
cant that be said about pretty much anybody losing 2 fights in a row in mma?
what kinda lame excuse is that?
I like Cro Cop but his performance was atrocious. I also remember when Quinton Jackson beat Liddell the first time and the magazines where full of article about Liddell being exposed and that he wasn't as good as everyone thought he was. I hope he can bounce back from this loss. When fighters lose like that, especially twice in a row it can be very difficult for them to bounce back. The performance expectation levied on Cro Cop were enormous and I am sure he felt the pressure. I am not an apologist for Cro Cop who cant acknowledge the fact that his last two performances were horrible and the loses were a fluke or the product of luck. Clearly he was just not prepared.
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I like Cro Cop but his performance was atrocious. I also remember when Quinton Jackson beat Liddell the first time and the magazines where full of article about Liddell being exposed and that he wasn't as good as everyone thought he was. I hope he can bounce back from this loss. When fighters lose like that, especially twice in a row it can be very difficult for them to bounce back. The performance expectation levied on Cro Cop were enormous and I am sure he felt the pressure. I am not an apologist for Cro Cop who cant acknowledge the fact that his last two performances were horrible and the loses were a fluke or the product of luck. Clearly he was just not prepared.
Clarkstonians always say it best 8)
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Clarkstonians always say it best 8)
Damn straight brotha
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I am not a TUF fanboy. It is a reality show. I watch it for entertainment. Crocop sucks right now. Silva is a great fighter, but he fought in Pride like 4 or 5 times, so I don't consider him a Pride fighter. I have always preferred the UFC to Pride, so what? The question remains, who should Crocop fight next? Who would you pit him against?
Tim Sylvia... If he can't beat him then he is thru.. I don't think Crocop has lived up to the hype... Do I think he is a can.. NO.. You can't win the GP and be a can. You also don't win the fights that he did and be considered a can. He hasn't fought well since the sanchez fight, I will admit that. I think that he could come back and be a force it's just getting with the right people and training non-stop.... But who knows he might be done.. It just pisses me off as he was a great fighter in Pride...
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from what i can remember danielson called out crocop a long time ago. i just think people underestimate his fighter analysis. which so far has been on the money.
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from what i can remember danielson called out crocop a long time ago. i just think people underestimate his fighter analysis. which so far has been on the money.
Yes, I said Rashad Evans could beat him and everybody bit my head off ;D
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Maybe he could beat Herring, but I doubt it. I would like to see Tank fight him and beat the piss out of him.
The same Tank that was systematically picked apart by Paul Buenatello. Sure....
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i wonder who crocop will fight next, if there's a next?
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i wonder who crocop will fight next, if there's a next?
Ummmm.....Brock Lesnar when he makes his debut? ;D
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Brock Lesner will be a major force in the UFC heavyweight division.
Remember I said that.
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i wonder who crocop will fight next, if there's a next?
There is if you have three fights left on your contract.
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i wonder who crocop will fight next, if there's a next?
Ummmm.....Brock Lesnar when he makes his debut? ;D
this I would actually like to see
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Brock Lesner will be a major force in the UFC heavyweight division.
Remember I said that.
I will, and then I will flame the hell out of you for it when he loses to someone worth a damn. Lesnar is trash, he has no hands at all, no subs or sub defense, he's just a one dimensional wrestler. I will list the names of fighters in the UFC HW division that would beat him easily......Couture,Big Nog,Werdum,Vera, Gonzaga,Sylvia,Arlovski,Herring, hell even Mir would probably sub him. Lesnar beats a guy that was a late replacement for a can ( by MMA standards not k-1) and people think he's god. Matt Hughes would punk Brock around when they would roll, he supposedly one time took his back and was slapping Brock in the back of the head taunting him before Rnc'ing him, and that was when he actually had a team (MFS), now he just trains with his college wrestling coach. He will never hold a belt in the UFC, he'll be lucky if he breaks top 5 Hw in the UFC. All Brock is, is a name that would draw a few more fans over from the fake world of Pro Wrestling, im sure that's all Dana is thinking.
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hahaha, it's all good. I haven't argued MMA in a while. Just enjoying it while I can. CroCop obviously doesn't care about fighting anymore, so I don't see why I would.
wow you must really love him, so if he then started to care again you would also...exactly how long is the leash CC has on you?
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I will, and then I will flame the hell out of you for it when he loses to someone worth a damn. Lesnar is trash, he has no hands at all, no subs or sub defense, he's just a one dimensional wrestler. I will list the names of fighters in the UFC HW division that would beat him easily......Couture,Big Nog,Werdum,Vera, Gonzaga,Sylvia,Arlovski,Herring, hell even Mir would probably sub him. Lesnar beats a guy that was a late replacement for a can ( by MMA standards not k-1) and people think he's god. Matt Hughes would punk Brock around when they would roll, he supposedly one time took his back and was slapping Brock in the back of the head taunting him before Rnc'ing him, and that was when he actually had a team (MFS), now he just trains with his college wrestling coach. He will never hold a belt in the UFC, he'll be lucky if he breaks top 5 Hw in the UFC. All Brock is, is a name that would draw a few more fans over from the fake world of Pro Wrestling, im sure that's all Dana is thinking.
Ok ChuteBoxe, but look at my track record:
I was the only person to go on the record here saying Kong will defeat Cro Cop.
I was one of the few to go on the record saying Chuck would lose to Rampage.
I predicted Gonzaga would beat Cro Cop, though I don't think I mentioned it here.
Lesnar is a VERY GOOD wrestler, and he's strong as an ox.
He's also very fast and athletic for a big man.
Don't let his pro wrestling background fool you. He will be top 5 at some point.
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Ok ChuteBoxe, but look at my track record:
I was the only person to go on the record here saying Kong will defeat Cro Cop.
I was one of the few to go on the record saying Chuck would lose to Rampage.
I predicted Gonzaga would beat Cro Cop, though I don't think I mentioned it here.
Lesnar is a VERY GOOD wrestler, and he's strong as an ox.
He's also very fast and athletic for a big man.
Don't let his pro wrestling background fool you. He will be top 5 at some point.
Yeah he was a collegiate wrestler, and was juiced to the gills a few years ago, other than that I don't see that getting him very far. I' ll put cash money on that shit, he will never hold a belt and will never be top 5 in the UFC let alone the world.
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Yeah he was a collegiate wrestler, and was juiced to the gills a few years ago, other than that I don't see that getting him very far. I' ll put cash money on that shit, he will never hold a belt and will never be top 5 in the UFC let alone the world.
The UFC is the world as far as the heavyweights are concerned.
I won't bet you cash, but the winner gets, "I told ya so!" bragging rights.
Top 5!
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The UFC is the world as far as the heavyweights are concerned.
I won't bet you cash, but the winner gets, "I told ya so!" bragging rights.
Top 5!
I mean worldwide top five heavyweight rankings. Ok then, the minute he brakes the top five, I will sticky an "I told you so" style thread written by you for a month, but the minute he loses before breaking the top 5, I put one up for a month about you. Deal?
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Only if you concede that a title shot automatically confers top 5 status.
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Only if you concede that a title shot automatically confers top 5 status.
Hell no, that would be like considering Zulu-zinho a top five HW just for getting the chance to lose to Fedor. (granted the belt wasn't on the line, Fedor was still the champ) In my book, he gets top five by beating a top five. I know he wants a shot at Randy and Dana may oblige just for the freakshow value if anything, not because he deserves it.
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Hell no, that would be like considering Zulu-zinho a top five HW just for getting the chance to lose to Fedor. (granted the belt wasn't on the line, Fedor was still the champ) In my book, he gets top five by beating a top five. I know he wants a shot at Randy and Dana may oblige just for the freakshow value if anything, not because he deserves it.
That's what I'm saying.
If the title is on the line, he should be considered top 5.
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Lesnar is a VERY GOOD wrestler, and he's strong as an ox.
He's also very fast and athletic for a big man.
Don't let his pro wrestling background fool you. He will be top 5 at some point.
all this based on one win over some guy with a 3-8 record ?
interesting !
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all this based on one win over some guy with a 3-8 record ?
interesting !
Nope my silly friend.
Why would you assume it's based on that?
It's based on his collegiate wrestling, strength, and athleticism.
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Nope my silly friend.
Why would you assume it's based on that?
It's based on his collegiate wrestling, strength, and athleticism.
Your not basing this off the fact that he beat HHH are you.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well Triple H is easily top 5 in the WWE hahaha.
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I really think Chutebox should take this bet.
Dana isn't one to promote "freakshow" fights.
If he gets a title shot, he earned it.
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Only if you concede that a title shot automatically confers top 5 status.
I wouldn't agree to this either. If he gets a title shot relatively early its will not be the product of his ability but Dana White trying to capitalize on his name recognition which because of his time in WWE exceeds that of even some of the more well known UFC fighters.