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I remember reading twice that Dexter Jackson does NO cardio to get schredded. I guess that is how it is for a Meso-Ectomorph...can anyone confirm this as fact though?
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He used to but he started doing cardio a few years ago. His metabolism has slowed down with age.
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all related to drugs.
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I remember reading twice that Dexter Jackson does NO cardio to get schredded. I guess that is how it is for a Meso-Ectomorph...can anyone confirm this as fact though?
Bull shit
there was a video him, showing his "crib" and cars..by Mitz (I think that is the name of the guy that recorded it)
he stated and I quote "I don't do cardio, I only do it 3 times a week for 30 minutes"..epic double talk
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I remember reading twice that Dexter Jackson does NO cardio to get schredded. I guess that is how it is for a Meso-Ectomorph...can anyone confirm this as fact though?
no one needs to do cardio to loose weight, all you need is a caloric deficit. fuck ectomorph, mesomorph, its all bullshit.
that being said, doing cardio will help you get into a "negative caloric state" (in combination with caloric restriction).
nothing special about dexter jackson...compared to the average person, apart from him being on massive amounts of drugs that help with burning fat and keeping his muscles when dieting. (+he has good muscle shape etc..)
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You need cardio when your metabolism slow down with low carb diet.
If your body can keep high metabolism even if you do low carb diet, you dont need to do cardio. Very simple.
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You need cardio when your metabolism slow down with low carb diet.
If your body can keep high metabolism even if you do low carb diet, you dont need to do cardio. Very simple.
no. its a question of amount of calories. not about metabolism (unless you have some serious metabolic disorder)
the key word is caloric need, not metabolism. doing cardio is a way to burn calories and get into a caloric deficit.
how you reach that caloric deficit, is up to you (restring calories and/or doing cardio)
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If you think Dexter does no cardio, look at these:
Before
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/data/2/medium/Dexter_Jackson_066.jpg)
After
(http://www.europasports.com/flextime/galleries/arnold-expo2k5/jackson.jpg)
Do you really think he always did this? ::) The only way I can see ANYONE getting by with absolutely ZERO cardio, is to increase the fat burning drugs (clen, T3, ephedra, etc...) to a seriously dangerous dose. Then again, who am I to talk? I've taken Bronkaid, 400mg of caffeine pills and a triple shot Rockstar as "one dose" numerous times in a day. ;D
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Well there is this plant extract (the name of which I have unfortunately forgotten) which burns fat at light speed; it is potentially life threatening to use as well...shit what is it called...?
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Ma Huang? Guarana? Ephedra?
None of these equal any of the other synthetics (clen, T3, and I think cytomel can be thrown in there but not my field for sure).
No matter what Dexter is taking, you don't transform like that with zero cardio. ;)
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If you think Dexter does no cardio, look at these:
Before
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/data/2/medium/Dexter_Jackson_066.jpg)
After
(http://www.europasports.com/flextime/galleries/arnold-expo2k5/jackson.jpg)
Do you really think he always did this? ::) The only way I can see ANYONE getting by with absolutely ZERO cardio, is to increase the fat burning drugs (clen, T3, ephedra, etc...) to a seriously dangerous dose. Then again, who am I to talk? I've taken Bronkaid, 400mg of caffeine pills and a triple shot Rockstar as "one dose" numerous times in a day. ;D
no, he can get away with zero cardio if he restricts his food enough and thereby finds himself in a caloric deficit. the main thing drugs do is they allow you to cheat in your diet and keep your muscle when dieting. the "cutting drugs" makes it easier, but are not necessary. the aas, is necessary tho, as they allow you too keep your hard earned muscle when reaching very low fat%. a natural will start losing loads of muscle when fat% drops under 7-8% or so.
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Well there is this plant extract (the name of which I have unfortunately forgotten) which burns fat at light speed; it is potentially life threatening to use as well...shit what is it called...?
(http://www.goldenseed.co.uk/imageshtml/cannabis_stuff.jpg)
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Dorian once claimed the same thing. Said his only cardio was walking from his car to the gym.
Honestly cardio is not needed. Shit like DNP can burn fat while you sleep. There is some nasty stuff out there that can burn more fat than 20 hours of cardio a day could.
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no, he can get away with zero cardio if he restricts his food enough and thereby finds himself in a caloric deficit. the main thing drugs do is they allow you to cheat in your diet and keep your muscle when dieting. the "cutting drugs" makes it easier, but are not necessary. the aas, is necessary tho, as they allow you too keep your hard earned muscle when reaching very low fat%. a natural will start losing loads of muscle when fat% drops under 7-8% or so.
Sorry, I'm not inclined to agree with you on this one. :)
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(http://www.bridestreasures.com/ShopSite/media/1719.jpg)
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(http://www.goldenseed.co.uk/imageshtml/cannabis_stuff.jpg)
Maybe dexter Doesn't Like To do Cardio?
Monsta DNP Usage.. ;D
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(http://www.index.hr/wallpapers/images/tmb2_200574231853ebina011.jpg)
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Sorry, I'm not inclined to agree with you on this one. :)
well, tell me exactly what parts you dont agree with then.
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(http://www.beersex.net/pictures/file/big_ass2.jpg)
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He didnīt do cardio before, but now as said with age he does.
And the fat photo, he didnīt train for 10 weeks.
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cardio & drugs help but diet is the key
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Dorian once claimed the same thing. Said his only cardio was walking from his car to the gym.
Honestly cardio is not needed. Shit like DNP can burn fat while you sleep. There is some nasty stuff out there that can burn more fat than 20 hours of cardio a day could.
That's the stuff I am talking about. Deadly but it explains how they can go from 14% bodyfat to 3% in just a few weeks....sometimes anyway...
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well, tell me exactly what parts you dont agree with then.
I agree that he could do no cardio and get cut. But as ripped as Dex comes into every contest, you realize he has to have cardio, and lots of drugs to get him that ripped. Would you think Andreas Munzer got his crazy striations with zero cardio and just lowered his calories? No, Munzer had help, just as Dex does.
So, I guess what I'm saying: You can get ripped as you say (lower calories, increase activity) but does Dexter do that? No way in hell.
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Theres drugs to build with little effort and same for getting lean without cardio :-\.then theres the bber who trains,cardio,supp's,natural and non supp's covers all bases.drugs in the end though can't totally eliminate doing whats needed for the finished stage product.
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no. its a question of amount of calories. not about metabolism (unless you have some serious metabolic disorder)
the key word is caloric need, not metabolism. doing cardio is a way to burn calories and get into a caloric deficit.
how you reach that caloric deficit, is up to you (restring calories and/or doing cardio)
I used to think like you do.But i begin to notice about that. Because the diet with only doing 20 minutes of cardio daily makes you lean dramaticaly more than the diet without cardio.
However,the calorie consumption of 20 minutes of cardio doesnt make huge difference comparing with non-cardio diet. Then why the result is so different? The key is in metabolism.
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Dude im from venice beach (went to venice high too)
Anyway...I know that back in the 80s no bodybuilder did cardio. REal Talk. Maybe Chick can tell more. But seriously like the most they would do would be like walking on sundays and little shit like that. But stair master and elip machines. They didnt need them for some reason. I dont know what happend maybe they started with the size game or something. but i do know that in the 80s it was rare to see a bodybuilder doing cario leading up to a contest
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Proper T3/Clen supplementation will do that for you along with tooooooooons of GH! Great job Dex! ::)
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I've heard that Darrem does no cardio either to get into contest shape
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Dude im from venice beach (went to venice high too)
Anyway...I know that back in the 80s no bodybuilder did cardio. REal Talk. Maybe Chick can tell more. But seriously like the most they would do would be like walking on sundays and little shit like that. But stair master and elip machines. They didnt need them for some reason. I dont know what happend maybe they started with the size game or something. but i do know that in the 80s it was rare to see a bodybuilder doing cario leading up to a contest
maybe you are right....I am not a bodybuilder, I like food..I try to eat clean and healthy..but.....sometim es the food calls my name
with that said..I actually like doing cardio (20 - 30 minutes after working out). Also Kyomo stated, I also see faster results when I do cardio.
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Dorian once claimed the same thing. Said his only cardio was walking from his car to the gym.
Honestly cardio is not needed. Shit like DNP can burn fat while you sleep. There is some nasty stuff out there that can burn more fat than 20 hours of cardio a day could.
DNP?? Are you crazy?? You know what that stuff does to your body? It will literally cook you from the inside out on the cellular level. NO ONE SHOULD EVER CONSIDER DOING DNP UNLESS THEY WANT TO DIE VERY QUICKLY. :o
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DNP?? Are you crazy?? You know what that stuff does to your body? It will literally cook you from the inside out on the cellular level. NO ONE SHOULD EVER CONSIDER DOING DNP UNLESS THEY WANT TO DIE VERY QUICKLY. :o
or you like the taste of bug poison...lol
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no, he can get away with zero cardio if he restricts his food enough and thereby finds himself in a caloric deficit. the main thing drugs do is they allow you to cheat in your diet and keep your muscle when dieting. the "cutting drugs" makes it easier, but are not necessary. the aas, is necessary tho, as they allow you too keep your hard earned muscle when reaching very low fat%. a natural will start losing loads of muscle when fat% drops under 7-8% or so.
Is this really true ? I only ask because as a Natural I would REALLY like to know ! I just started taking the Bronkaid and No Doz earlier this Week ( Monday ), too ... what's the best way for me to KEEP my Muscle, do you think ... right now and when and if I get down to single digit Bodyfat in the future ? Thank you.
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Ma Huang? Guarana? Ephedra?
None of these equal any of the other synthetics (clen, T3, and I think cytomel can be thrown in there but not my field for sure).
No matter what Dexter is taking, you don't transform like that with zero cardio. ;)
Your wrong ignorant and stupid. GH15 aswell as many others rate ephedra and T3 to be the best fat burners availible. You are stupid because t3 and cytomel are the same thing.
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Your wrong ignorant and stupid. GH15 aswell as many others rate ephedra and T3 to be the best fat burners availible. You are stupid because t3 and cytomel are the same thing.
And you jump to conclusions and cannot comprehend. Try reading AND understanding the post and what I was talking about...... >:(
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It is very much possible that he didnt do any cardio to get like that. I know a few amateur bodybuilders that have done no cardio in prep for a show in the past.
When you are taking descent levels of GH like I presume Dexter Jackson is getting rid of fat when dieting or gaining muscle is not an issue.
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He used to but he started doing cardio a few years ago. His metabolism has slowed down with age.
Not so much age, just increased mass. You can't eat enough to force a high body weight past a certain unnatural point without having to take extra measures to keep excess fat in check.
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And you jump to conclusions and cannot comprehend. Try reading AND understanding the post and what I was talking about...... >:(
I understand that you thought T3 and cytomel were two different compounds, why comment on something you obviously no nothing about?
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DNP?? Are you crazy?? You know what that stuff does to your body? It will literally cook you from the inside out on the cellular level. NO ONE SHOULD EVER CONSIDER DOING DNP UNLESS THEY WANT TO DIE VERY QUICKLY. :o
have YOU ever tried it?
no.
then STFU.
stop talking about something you know nothing about. you look uninformed and unintelligent.
it is a very broad stroke to assume everyone who does dnp 'will die very quickly'. the only chance of death comes at dosages that are too high as the body has no feedback mechanism to cope with it.
using it responsibly will burn fat off you at an accelerated rate, if you can handle the discomfort- oh, and you wont die.
try to be a little more responsible next time you post.
hope this helps.
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I understand that you thought T3 and cytomel were two different compounds, why comment on something you obviously no nothing about?
busted...
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no one needs to do cardio to loose weight, all you need is a caloric deficit. fuck ectomorph, mesomorph, its all bullshit.
that being said, doing cardio will help you get into a "negative caloric state" (in combination with caloric restriction).
nothing special about dexter jackson...compared to the average person, apart from him being on massive amounts of drugs that help with burning fat and keeping his muscles when dieting. (+he has good muscle shape etc..)
True. To a point...
Dexter has the 'negroe genetics'. Most negroes have excellent genetics for low bodyfat levels and heavy muscularity. It's true.
Know what's the best? In MD...in his ghost written 'Q&A' he answers tons of cardio/fat loss questions. One month it's use METRx and now it's use Hydroxycut again. Hahahahahahaha!
Phony shit they put in the magazines. I loath it.
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True. To a point...
Dexter has the 'negroe genetics'. Most negroes have excellent genetics for low bodyfat levels and heavy muscularity. It's true.
Know what's the best? In MD...in his ghost written 'Q&A' he answers tons of cardio/fat loss questions. One month it's use METRx and now it's use Hydroxycut again. Hahahahahahaha!
Phony shit they put in the magazines. I loath it.
yes true about black mans genetics...often naturally low fat levels and good ability to add muscle . the dark skin makes the muscles "more visible" too.
also often good biceps insertions and round muscle bellies (and poor calves)
these are obviously generalizations, but still true in many cases.
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Is this really true ? I only ask because as a Natural I would REALLY like to know ! I just started taking the Bronkaid and No Doz earlier this Week ( Monday ), too ... what's the best way for me to KEEP my Muscle, do you think ... right now and when and if I get down to single digit Bodyfat in the future ? Thank you.
well, as a natural you just have to accept your gonna lose more muscle than a steroid user..specially when trying to go under 6-7% (varies depending on the individual)....but dont worry you dont have to be competition ripped to look good..(unless your competing obviously)....
if your have a fat% of 7%, you will be plenty ripped with abs showing and all.
so my advice is dont push it too far if your not gonna compete. take it slow, dont try to loose weight too fast, keep carbs in your diet, when you dip below 9-10...go to a 3 days per week schedule..with focus on the basic exercises and cut down on the number of sets you do but still try to work hard and avoid starting to use high reps for definition (which is bs as you know)
also, never overdo the cardio! specially important for a natural...
actually i would stop doing cardio (or reduce it dramtically) when you reach a low fat%...(7% or so)
its hard to give exact fat % levels as it differs abit from person to person.
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Somebody told me a natural should do 25 minutes of HIT cardio, bc anything more may burn muscle??? I've attempted regular cardio teice now for cutting purposes, however I swear I appear leaner when i don't do it!? Then again i just turned 24 so maybe it'll tapper off soon... Confuses the shit outta me tho..
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Somebody told me a natural should do 25 minutes of HIT cardio, bc anything more may burn muscle??? I've attempted regular cardio teice now for cutting purposes, however I swear I appear leaner when i don't do it!? Then again i just turned 24 so maybe it'll tapper off soon... Confuses the shit outta me tho..
na...you cant give that specific recommendations. 25min of HIT or more will burn muscle? it depends on many factors.
for example:
if your in a caloric surplus and do regular weight training, doing more than 25min of HIT cardio wont burn a gram of muscle.
if your in a caloric deficit..yes overdoing cardio can make you loose muscle and fat. but it depends on many factors: do you use drugs, what is your current fat%, how big is the caloric deficit, how often do you do the cardio etc etc.
dont get confused tho. do the cardio you like, if you choose to do cardio.
it has cardiovascular benefits but isnt necessary to do to loose fat.
i could write pages on this but i dont wanna confuse you even more.
dont complicate things.
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Thanks- for the feedback SB :)
I never get techincal about anything with BB- I just love train and so forth... I fortunatly have pretty good genetics, a crazy metabolism, ,and good work ethic... Always have abs, but every now and then I kinda want to diet down and see what i'd look like in single digit Bf. So i'll throwing in cardio, diet some... Never count calories etc pretty much judge by the mirror and how i feel... i will say my back started to seperate nicely when i was doing cardio...
If i were to do a show, i'd probably get a little more technical but for now its just for fun- after training for so long its nice change something aside from lifts
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Thanks- for the feedback SB :)
I never get techincal about anything with BB- I just love train and so forth... I fortunatly have pretty good genetics, a crazy metabolism, ,and good work ethic... Always have abs, but every now and then I kinda want to diet down and see what i'd look like in single digit Bf. So i'll throwing in cardio, diet some... Never count calories etc pretty much judge by the mirror and how i feel... i will say my back started to seperate nicely when i was doing cardio...
If i were to do a show, i'd probably get a little more technical but for now its just for fun- after training for so long its nice change something aside from lifts
good, if your not doing a competition diet, dont complicate things!
just workout 3-5 days a week. and if you wanna diet..cut down on food abit..preferably take away some carbs (not all), keep protein at 1-1.25 g/lbs bw keep fat at 40-50g a day. do some cardio if you wish, and do a form of cardio you like and enjoy. if you like HIT cardio do that, if you like slower abit longer walks do that instead...all that matters is that you get into a caloric deficit. (by lowering food intake and/or increasing cardio).
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Pretty much try to eat clean- and i just train my arse off. I'm going to as y'all say, the "dark side" here soon after much debate- simply because i decided to do a show and after a few years of trying many different approaches and gaining no more real muscle mass... I'll post some pics because i wanted some before/after.. I'll throw some on here and let eveyone flame away ;D
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Pretty much try to eat clean- and i just train my arse off. I'm going to as y'all say, the "dark side" here soon after much debate- simply because i decided to do a show and after a few years of trying many different approaches and gaining no more real muscle mass... I'll post some pics because i wanted some before/after.. I'll throw some on here and let eveyone flame away ;D
let getbig purge you. let the catharsis begin.
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LOL ;D
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well, as a natural you just have to accept your gonna lose more muscle than a steroid user..specially when trying to go under 6-7% (varies depending on the individual)....but dont worry you dont have to be competition ripped to look good..(unless your competing obviously)....
if your have a fat% of 7%, you will be plenty ripped with abs showing and all.
so my advice is dont push it too far if your not gonna compete. take it slow, dont try to loose weight too fast, keep carbs in your diet, when you dip below 9-10...go to a 3 days per week schedule..with focus on the basic exercises and cut down on the number of sets you do but still try to work hard and avoid starting to use high reps for definition (which is bs as you know)
also, never overdo the cardio! specially important for a natural...
actually i would stop doing cardio (or reduce it dramtically) when you reach a low fat%...(7% or so)
its hard to give exact fat % levels as it differs abit from person to person.
Thanks for the reply, Slaveboy ... GREATLY appreciated ! :)
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well, as a natural you just have to accept your gonna lose more muscle than a steroid user..specially when trying to go under 6-7% (varies depending on the individual)....but dont worry you dont have to be competition ripped to look good..(unless your competing obviously)....
if your have a fat% of 7%, you will be plenty ripped with abs showing and all.
so my advice is dont push it too far if your not gonna compete. take it slow, dont try to loose weight too fast, keep carbs in your diet, when you dip below 9-10...go to a 3 days per week schedule..with focus on the basic exercises and cut down on the number of sets you do but still try to work hard and avoid starting to use high reps for definition (which is bs as you know)
also, never overdo the cardio! specially important for a natural...
actually i would stop doing cardio (or reduce it dramtically) when you reach a low fat%...(7% or so)
its hard to give exact fat % levels as it differs abit from person to person.
very very VERY good post
also when on steroids and other hormones always always always remember that to the people who dont know you are on you will always look 2-3% more bodyfat% than what you truely are due to water layer that is there wether you want it or not,,even with ai and ae the water it there untill you can use duretic and not over the counter one!
so if you think you are 7% and someone in the local usa gym of yours ask you if you compete bodybuild and then try to guess your bodyfat% and say 10% and you can see your abs yet he still say you look to him 10% you now know why he says it ,,its water between the skin and muscle not fat! the number people love to say is 10-12% ,,usually natural lifter when they look at hormonized lifter that is 7-8% will say 10%...you get te idea..its not fat and you are most likley 7% (6 pack got to show though despite the water held)
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dnp is moderately dangerous, as are most fat burning drugs that are illegal.
clen/cytomel is way better than caffiene and trucker meth pills from the gas station and cost the same if you have a good hookup.
not eating like a fat bastard and doing more cardio is better for you
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dnp is moderately dangerous, as are most fat burning drugs that are illegal.
clen/cytomel is way better than caffiene and trucker meth pills from the gas station and cost the same if you have a good hookup.
not eating like a fat bastard and doing more cardio is better for you
its not moderately dangerous..its very dangerous.
why this constant talk about fat burners?
just fucking diet by eating less calories than you use per day.its fucking simple.
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its not moderately dangerous..its very dangerous.
why this constant talk about fat burners?
just fucking diet by eating less calories than you use per day.its fucking simple.
because without Clen/ECA/T3/AAS/GH/Slin you can't go from this
(http://www.dailymuscle.com/images/lee_priest_bulkup.jpg)
to this in ~16 weeks
(http://www.leepriest.net/leepriest.jpg)
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because without Clen/ECA/T3/AAS/GH/Slin you can't go from this
(http://www.dailymuscle.com/images/lee_priest_bulkup.jpg)
to this in ~16 weeks
(http://www.leepriest.net/leepriest.jpg)
kegdrainer is an obese pig that just should stop stuffing himself with hotdogs.
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not eating like a fat bastard and doing more cardio is better for you
shhhh...that's a secret.
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very very VERY good post
also when on steroids and other hormones always always always remember that to the people who dont know you are on you will always look 2-3% more bodyfat% than what you truely are due to water layer that is there wether you want it or not,,even with ai and ae the water it there untill you can use duretic and not over the counter one!
so if you think you are 7% and someone in the local usa gym of yours ask you if you compete bodybuild and then try to guess your bodyfat% and say 10% and you can see your abs yet he still say you look to him 10% you now know why he says it ,,its water between the skin and muscle not fat! the number people love to say is 10-12% ,,usually natural lifter when they look at hormonized lifter that is 7-8% will say 10%...you get te idea..its not fat and you are most likley 7% (6 pack got to show though despite the water held)
I'm 7% BF tested with EAS Accu-Measure caliper and i am exactly like this, but i don't juice.
I'm trying to get lower in BF and get that tight skin, but it's very hard >:(
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I'm 7% BF tested with EAS Accu-Measure caliper and i am exactly like this, but i don't juice.
I'm trying to get lower in BF and get that tight skin, but it's very hard >:(
The calipers aren't completely accurate. You could be 10% or more