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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: ieffinhatecardio on September 17, 2007, 08:23:35 PM
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Saw this on Bill Maher tonight. I wouldn't want to see that while I was eating either.
http://www.parentdish.com/2007/09/02/breast-feeding-mom-takes-on-applebees/ (http://www.parentdish.com/2007/09/02/breast-feeding-mom-takes-on-applebees/)
Brooke Ryan claims all she was after last June was an anniversary lunch with her husband and baby at an Applebee's restaurant in Kentucky. What she got was a battle with the restaurant chain over her right to breast-feed her son in public.
She says she was discretely nursing her 7-month-old son Michael in a booth in the back of the restaurant when a waitress told her she would have to cover herself with a blanket. Kentucky is hot in June and Ryan didn't have a blanket. When the waitress again insisted that she cover up, Ryan asked to see the manager. When he arrived, Ryan handed over a copy of the 2006 Kentucky law that prohibits interference with a breastfeeding mother in public.
The manager claimed he knew about the law, but because someone had complained about Ryan's indecent exposure, he said she must cover up. Ryan ended up feeding her son in the car, but couldn't let the matter drop. She had her lawyer send a letter to Thomas and King, the company that operates Applebee's in central Kentucky. In response, the restaurant chain said it would consider keeping blankets on hand for breast-feeding women to cover themselves. "That's like telling Rosa Parks she still had to sit in the back of the bus, but we'll give her a blanket to make her more comfortable," Ryan says.
Mike Scanlon, president of Thomas and King says Applebee's has no policy against breast-feeding, but feels it should be done discretely. "It is perfectly legal to breast-feed in public and we support that," Scanlon said. "I'm not sure the manager said cover the baby's head, I think he said cover yourself modestly. This was by no means intended as interference, but a request to do it modestly, which I believe is an appropriate response."
Ryan and her husband Michael are not happy with that response. "Some women think it's fine to cover up with a blanket, but a woman shouldn't be forced to," Michael said. Ryan is planning some public events in Kentucky to raise awareness and is asking Applebee's to institute some training for employees about the rights of breast-feeding mothers. "I'm not trying to be provocative," she said. "I want to teach."
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What a cow! It's never the hot ones who want to show their boobies in public...
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All I can say is L O L !
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wtf..that kid looks like he's 10 years old..
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wtf it sounds like she intentionally went to incite this, who in the hell carries a copy of a law unless they want to start something.
Disgusting.
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Her reference to Rosa Rarks was insulting to Rosa Parks. There is no comparison to an entire race being not allowed to have the same rights, as some overweight sloppy gross looking lady wanting to whip out her boob and breastfeed in a restaurant and gross out other patrons.
Yeah, yeah I get it is the law, and its natural and all that but just my opinion, I don't see why women want to. I would NOT breastfeed in a restaurant if I had a baby. Just me...but I do think some things are private.
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The thing I don't get with these Breast Feeding Zealots is that they think it's their absolute right to breast feed whenever and wherever they like. As if the right to breast feed supersedes everyone else's rights. Also, the fact that some of them are so militant about it is amazing.
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What's the big deal with a woman breastfeeding her baby?
Of course it should be allowed anywhere.
But then, some people need to learn some manners, and not take advantage of that.
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Agreed with CQ.
This ___ isn't fit to clean Rosa Parks' house.
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Breast Feeding Zealots
HAHA
What's the big deal with a woman breastfeeding her baby?
Of course it should be allowed anywhere.
But then, some people need to learn some manners, and not take advantage of that.
Agree
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I bet if she were hot a complaint wouldn't have initially been lodged. Just my .02
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What's the big deal with a woman breastfeeding her baby?
Of course it should be allowed anywhere.
But then, some people need to learn some manners, and not take advantage of that.
Europeans are more enlightened about certain issues than we are. The issue isn't that she can do it the issue is her flaunting it. Some of these breast feeding zealots love to openly feed their children.
Don't people in a restaurant have the right to eat the meals that they are paying for without having to see a woman openly breast feeding her child?
If this woman were more discreet this particular situation wouldn't have become an issue.
I bet if she were hot a complaint wouldn't have initially been lodged. Just my .02
I agree but that's they way it is with nearly everything. I'm willing to bet there aren't an abundance of beautiful women breast feeding their children in an Applebee's.
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Europeans are more enlightened about certain issues than we are. The issue isn't that she can do it the issue is her flaunting it. Some of these breast feeding zealots love to openly feed their children.
Don't people in a restaurant have the right to eat the meals that they are paying for without having to see a woman openly breast feeding her child?
If this woman were more discreet this particular situation wouldn't have become an issue.
I agree but that's they way it is with nearly everything. I'm willing to bet there aren't an abundance of beautiful women breast feeding their children in an Applebee's.
Is it the "nudity" or something that is the problem?
My problem with babies and their fcuking moms are usually how they take for granted that everyone will somehow think a baby screaming is "cute".
You'll have this nutjobs at sports events, at seminars, et al. They will show up, and once the baby starts screaming, they will give the rest of the audience this "Oh, I am a mommy, how wonderful it is" type of look.
I fcuking hate it.
Those fcukfaces need to either shut their babies up or stay the fcuk away.
Or in a movie theatre (!), or a cafe. Same shit.
Question: is it such big fcuking hassle to get outta the room while the cry-baby is going off?
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Take the kid to the restroom or out back to the car.. God. ::)
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Also, to get all motherish on you guys there are so many options nowdays, apart from the obvious of excusing yourself and covering up...
-Express the milk with a pump and bottlefeed when in public
-Keep baby on tight 3/4 hr feeding schedule and arrange outings with that in mind
-There are large baby bonnets available for the purpose of fully hiding the mothers breast while feeding, they are like $3
-There are special feeding bras and shirts that serve the same hiding purpose.
Basically, with all options, the only reason to blatantly breast feed in public nowdays is because you want to.
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Also, to get all motherish on you guys there are so many options nowdays, apart from the obvious of excusing yourself and covering up...
-Express the milk with a pump and bottlefeed when in public
-Keep baby on tight 3/4 hr feeding schedule and arrange outings with that in mind
-There are large baby bonnets available for the purpose of fully hiding the mothers breast while feeding, they are like $3
-There are special feeding bras and shirts that serve the same hiding purpose.
Basically, with all options, the only reason to blatantly breast feed in public nowdays is because you want to.
Exactly, but did you read the story this lady is dying for attention. Who in the hell carries around a past court case, stating it's her right to breastfeed anywhere she wants. Her and the husband sound like perverts that were either engaging in some f'ed up sexual devient public stuff with their child or just wanting a reason to sue Applebee's to get some money, I say it's both.
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Also, to get all motherish on you guys there are so many options nowdays, apart from the obvious of excusing yourself and covering up...
-Express the milk with a pump and bottlefeed when in public
-Keep baby on tight 3/4 hr feeding schedule and arrange outings with that in mind
-There are large baby bonnets available for the purpose of fully hiding the mothers breast while feeding, they are like $3
-There are special feeding bras and shirts that serve the same hiding purpose.
Basically, with all options, the only reason to blatantly breast feed in public nowdays is because you want to.
Or they could do precisely what this lady did. Doesn't look like a big deal to me. From the looks of the picture, it's not like her boob was hanging out. I don't see what all the fuss is about. If people don't like watching a mother breastfeed her kid, they shouldn't look.
I don't know why this lady was carrying a copy of the law with her, but it's possible she experienced problems in the past. Looks like she needed it.
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wtf it sounds like she intentionally went to incite this, who in the hell carries a copy of a law unless they want to start something.
Disgusting.
Probably someone affected by the law on a daily basis, and wants to make sure those who may be in a position to possibly interfere with her were aware of it as well. Afterall, it's not like this particular law would be common knowledge compared to laws pertaining to guide animals.
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The thing I don't get with these Breast Feeding Zealots is that they think it's their absolute right to breast feed whenever and wherever they like. As if the right to breast feed supersedes everyone else's rights. Also, the fact that some of them are so militant about it is amazing.
It is their absolute right to breast feed whenever, wherever. That is what they are there for.
Problem is Western society has "sexualized" and "objectified" the female mammarys for so long,
...people now see them as sexual organs rather than the feeding organs they were intended to be.
Many women are adamant about not going to a washroom to feed their babies, and I don't blame them.
How would you like to be told that you have to eat in a bathroom surrounded by the scent of other people's feces.
I personally think that if someone can stomache the sight of a Mom spoon-feeding her baby in a high chair, they should be able to handle the sight of her discreetly breast feeding her baby. If they can't, ...they should simply not look. Suggesting a woman put a blanket over the child's head is also improper IMO, because breastfeeding time is prime bonding time between mother & child. Baby needs to look Mom in the eyes, and mom needs to look baby in the eyes at that time. if you've ever seen the look of love in a baby's eyes, as s/he looks into Moms eyes right after emptying the boob, it would melt your heart. Personally I'm more offended and grossed out by people who chew with their mouths full, or who blow their noses at the table, than I am by a woman feeding and bonding with her baby. JMO.
Thankfully we don't have those issues here in Ontario. The law requiring women to cover their breasts in public was struck down, and women in the province of Ontario have the right to go topless if they choose.
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What a cow! It's never the hot ones who want to show their boobies in public...
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Probably someone affected by the law on a daily basis, and wants to make sure those who may be in a position to possibly interfere with her were aware of it as well. Afterall, it's not like this particular law would be common knowledge compared to laws pertaining to guide animals.
::) Yeah ok someone wanting to get all badass thinking their civil rights were at stake while they violated others.
No it's not particular knowledge it's common sense, and being respectful of others. Who wants to see a fat bitch's saggy wrinkly tit when they are paying for a meal? By all means go ahead, and spruce up your coffee.
And no those that carry around a court case are looking for trouble, because they have found a way to carry on theur intrusive behaviors.
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There is no right not to see a woman breastfeeding her child.
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There is no right not to see a woman breastfeeding her child.
it's defined by the courts as obscenity. Look it up Juris Doctor...I have a right not to turn my cheek to not look at a fuzzy nipple in a public place right?
I just threw up my steak, applebee's now owes me $25, right after I pull out my law book and show them...haha
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it's defined by the courts as obscenity. Look it up Juris Doctor...I have a right not to turn my cheek to not look at a fuzzy nipple in a public place right?
I just threw up my steak, applebee's now owes me $25, right after I pull out my law book and show them...haha
About that...
Why are men allowed to be topless at beaches, but not women?
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It is their absolute right to breast feed whenever, wherever. That is what they are there for.
Problem is Western society has "sexualized" and "objectified" the female mammarys for so long,
...people now see them as sexual organs rather than the feeding organs they were intended to be.
Many women are adamant about not going to a washroom to feed their babies, and I don't blame them.
How would you like to be told that you have to eat in a bathroom surrounded by the scent of other people's feces.
I personally think that if someone can stomache the sight of a Mom spoon-feeding her baby in a high chair, they should be able to handle the sight of her discreetly breast feeding her baby. If they can't, ...they should simply not look. Suggesting a woman put a blanket over the child's head is also improper IMO, because breastfeeding time is prime bonding time between mother & child. Baby needs to look Mom in the eyes, and mom needs to look baby in the eyes at that time. if you've ever seen the look of love in a baby's eyes, as s/he looks into Moms eyes right after emptying the boob, it would melt your heart. Personally I'm more offended and grossed out by people who chew with their mouths full, or who blow their noses at the table, than I am by a woman feeding and bonding with her baby. JMO.
Thankfully we don't have those issues here in Ontario. The law requiring women to cover their breasts in public was struck down, and women in the province of Ontario have the right to go topless if they choose.
Perhaps that's the law but I don't agree with it. I don't see how a mother breast feeding her infant in a public place supercedes everyone else's rights to not be uncomfortable. Those people that complained at the Applebee's were eating, food that they paid for btw. I happen to think that if you pay for your food you should be able to comfortably sit and eat it without having to look at a mother breast feeding her infant.
Why does a breast feeding mother have the absolute right to breast feed wherever she wants and why do these women want to do something in a restaurant that clearly makes some people uncomfortable? Other than stirring the pot it makes no sense.
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Why would someone be uncomfortable with someone breast feeding? It's a natural thing we as humans do. People need to get over it. It's part of life, it's part of having babies, it's part of living.
I can understand a BIG fat "naked" boob hanging out in the middle of a restaurant as being offensive to some so i don't think it's unreasonable to insists on having a blanket to cover it. And I don't buy Appleby's not having a dish towel they could have given the lady.
But for it to be illegal or get thrown out of a restaurant isn't right either.
There has to be compromise here.
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it's defined by the courts as obscenity. Look it up Juris Doctor...I have a right not to turn my cheek to not look at a fuzzy nipple in a public place right?
I just threw up my steak, applebee's now owes me $25, right after I pull out my law book and show them...haha
What's "Juris Doctor"?
What courts have defined breastfeeding as obscenity? You have a link?
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Why would someone be uncomfortable with someone breast feeding? It's a natural thing we as humans do. People need to get over it. It's part of life, it's part of having babies, it's part of living.
I can understand a BIG fat "naked" boob hanging out in the middle of a restaurant as being offensive to some so i don't think it's unreasonable to insists on having a blanket to cover it. And I don't buy Appleby's not having a dish towel they could have given the lady.
But for it to be illegal or get thrown out of a restaurant isn't right either.
There has to be compromise here.
I agree, although I think the compromise for the most part for the dummies who are offended by breastfeeding is to not look.
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Why would someone be uncomfortable with someone breast feeding? It's a natural thing we as humans do. People need to get over it. It's part of life, it's part of having babies, it's part of living.
I can understand a BIG fat "naked" boob hanging out in the middle of a restaurant as being offensive to some so i don't think it's unreasonable to insists on having a blanket to cover it. And I don't buy Appleby's not having a dish towel they could have given the lady.
But for it to be illegal or get thrown out of a restaurant isn't right either.
There has to be compromise here.
I agree and as I said in another post a little discretion and this wouldn't have been an issue.
Nice job being the voice of reason.
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What's "Juris Doctor"?
What courts have defined breastfeeding as obscenity? You have a link?
I can't look em up right now. A Juris Doctor (JD) is a method of legal study in society law, business, government and public affairs, promotes etichal values and concepts of justice....after you get your JD you can take the Bar Exam.
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I think it all goes both ways. I wouldn't, but breastfeeding in public discreetly is not such a big deal.
But let's look at what she is wearing in the pic. Not to get graphic here, but she has her shirt pulled up. Think about that from a side view...that means her body from waistband up to breast is showing...as in rolls and rolls of fat, huge saggy boob etc. She is not wearing attire that would allow her to feed, while still being modest.
It's this particular circumstance that seems poor etiquitte. She cannot carry a $3 tiny little feeding baby bonnet to cover up, cannot wear a feeding shirt - but she can take the time to obtain a copy of the law and carry it with her?
And then have the AUDACITY to compare her circumstances, of whipping out her gross saggy boob in a restaurant, to one of the most legendary civil rights women ever, who worked for change for millions of people who were being denied basic civil rights?
She had an agenda it appears...
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I think it all goes both ways. I wouldn't, but breastfeeding in public discreetly is not such a big deal.
But let's look at what she is wearing in the pic. Not to get graphic here, but she has her shirt pulled up. Think about that from a side view...that means her body from waistband up to breast is showing...as in rolls and rolls of fat, huge saggy boob etc. She is not wearing attire that would allow her to feed, while still being modest.
It's this particular circumstance that seems poor etiquitte. She cannot carry a $3 tiny little feeding baby bonnet to cover up, cannot wear a feeding shirt - but she can take the time to obtain a copy of the law and carry it with her?
And then have the AUDACITY to compare her circumstances, of whipping out her gross saggy boob in a restaurant, to one of the most legendary civil rights women ever, who worked for change for millions of people who were being denied basic civil rights?
She had an agenda it appears...
See I just got back from eating, and CQ goes on in detail of her, and my stomach is now uneasy. If it was some hottie with a body, whole other story but come on
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I think it all goes both ways. I wouldn't, but breastfeeding in public discreetly is not such a big deal.
But let's look at what she is wearing in the pic. Not to get graphic here, but she has her shirt pulled up. Think about that from a side view...that means her body from waistband up to breast is showing...as in rolls and rolls of fat, huge saggy boob etc. She is not wearing attire that would allow her to feed, while still being modest.
It's this particular circumstance that seems poor etiquitte. She cannot carry a $3 tiny little feeding baby bonnet to cover up, cannot wear a feeding shirt - but she can take the time to obtain a copy of the law and carry it with her?
And then have the AUDACITY to compare her circumstances, of whipping out her gross saggy boob in a restaurant, to one of the most legendary civil rights women ever, who worked for change for millions of people who were being denied basic civil rights?
She had an agenda it appears...
CQ, according to the article, she was very discrete about it, and was in the back booth.
In any event, as to other peoples' uncomfortableness, they ned to get over it.
There was a time when the sight of an interracial couple made people uncomfortable.
As an aside, the Region of Peel is holding a "feed-in" on September 29, 2007.
They intend to break the record for the largest number of women breastfeeding their babies in 1 place at the same time. Thank Goodness I live in a municipality that recognizes the rights of all it's citizens to both feed, and be fed the way the Creator intended it, and with the willingness to raise awareness and educate people about this.
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See I just got back from eating, and CQ goes on in detail of her, and my stomach is now uneasy. If it was some hottie with a body, whole other story but come on
To hold true to that line of thinking, it would have been permissible for me this past week in Orlando, to have asked the waitors at the poolside bar to ask the family at the next table to leave. They were fat, saggy, obese, and absolutely turned my stomache.
I was sitting with a group of our delegates from Norway, and it struck me that all the Europeans were lean, trim, and fit, ...while the Americans were fat. It was truly shocking & disgusting to watch them chowing down on all the greasy food, watching the fat jiggle on their triceps and chins everytime they raised those greasy burgers and pizzas dripping with cheese to their mouths. Should I have asked the waitors to inform them they were too fat to eat in public, that the sight of them was offensive to the other hotel guests, or should I have simply looked in the other direction?
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Next time someone says fat people don't have fat babies... show them that pic.
A person does something like that for one reason: attention.
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I think it all goes both ways. I wouldn't, but breastfeeding in public discreetly is not such a big deal.
But let's look at what she is wearing in the pic. Not to get graphic here, but she has her shirt pulled up. Think about that from a side view...that means her body from waistband up to breast is showing...as in rolls and rolls of fat, huge saggy boob etc. She is not wearing attire that would allow her to feed, while still being modest.
It's this particular circumstance that seems poor etiquitte. She cannot carry a $3 tiny little feeding baby bonnet to cover up, cannot wear a feeding shirt - but she can take the time to obtain a copy of the law and carry it with her?
And then have the AUDACITY to compare her circumstances, of whipping out her gross saggy boob in a restaurant, to one of the most legendary civil rights women ever, who worked for change for millions of people who were being denied basic civil rights?
She had an agenda it appears...
I see two issues. One is whether a woman should have the right to breastfeed her baby in public and whether others have a right not to see a mother breastfeeding her child. I say a mother should be able to breastfeed her baby pretty much wherever she wants. I could care less if some people are offended by breastfeeding. It's actually quite absurd.
The other is (as you mentioned) etiquette. I do think a woman should take some reasonable measures to cover herself.
That said, if she doesn't, the people (probably men) who have a problem shouldn't look. Pretty simple.
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To hold true to that line of thinking, it would have been permissible for me this past week in Orlando, to have asked the waitors at the poolside bar to ask the family at the next table to leave. They were fat, saggy, obese, and absolutely turned my stomache.
I was sitting with a group of our delegates from Norway, and it struck me that all the Europeans were lean, trim, and fit, ...while the Americans were fat. It was truly shocking & disgusting to watch them chowing down on all the greasy food, watching the fat jiggle on their triceps and chins everytime they raised those greasy burgers and pizzas dripping with cheese to their mouths. Should I have asked the waitors to inform them they were too fat to eat in public, that the sight of them was offensive to the other hotel guests, or should I have simply looked in the other direction?
Did you laugh, and give them a tricep jiggle handshake?
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I think it all goes both ways. I wouldn't, but breastfeeding in public discreetly is not such a big deal.
But let's look at what she is wearing in the pic. Not to get graphic here, but she has her shirt pulled up. Think about that from a side view...that means her body from waistband up to breast is showing...as in rolls and rolls of fat, huge saggy boob etc. She is not wearing attire that would allow her to feed, while still being modest.
It's this particular circumstance that seems poor etiquitte. She cannot carry a $3 tiny little feeding baby bonnet to cover up, cannot wear a feeding shirt - but she can take the time to obtain a copy of the law and carry it with her?
And then have the AUDACITY to compare her circumstances, of whipping out her gross saggy boob in a restaurant, to one of the most legendary civil rights women ever, who worked for change for millions of people who were being denied basic civil rights?
She had an agenda it appears...
The key word being discreetly. What is the purpose of not being discreet? Clearly it makes certain people uncomfortable while they're eating so why flaunt it? I've seen women breast feeding in public and unless you actually looked very closely you couldn't tell they were breast feeding. No one seems to have a problem with those women.
All this other nonsense is people trying to make a statement.
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I see two issues. One is whether a woman should have the right to breastfeed her baby in public and whether others have a right not to see a mother breastfeeding her child. I say a mother should be able to breastfeed her baby pretty much wherever she wants. I could care less if some people are offended by breastfeeding. It's actually quite absurd.
The other is (as you mentioned) etiquette. I do think a woman should take some reasonable measures to cover herself.
That said, if she doesn't, the people (probably men) who have a problem shouldn't look. Pretty simple.
You're going to have to stop agreeing with me... I'm skeered it's a sign that hell is going to freeze over soon. :P
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I see two issues. One is whether a woman should have the right to breastfeed her baby in public and whether others have a right not to see a mother breastfeeding her child. I say a mother should be able to breastfeed her baby pretty much wherever she wants. I could care less if some people are offended by breastfeeding. It's actually quite absurd.
The other is (as you mentioned) etiquette. I do think a woman should take some reasonable measures to cover herself.
That said, if she doesn't, the people (probably men) who have a problem shouldn't look. Pretty simple.
So you're saying a breastfeeding mom has more rights than the people around her?
My girlfriend giving me head is perfectly natural but I doubt Applebees is the appropriate place. If it had to be done there, I'd at least put something over her head. :)
I'm not saying breastfeeding is a sexual act but it can be done in a discrete, unobtrusive manner.
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as in rolls and rolls of fat, huge saggy boob etc.
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You're going to have to stop agreeing with me... I'm skeered it's a sign that hell is going to freeze over soon. :P
What?!? You're agreeing with me. :D No worry. We have plenty to disagree on. I think I'll start another abortion thread . . . . ;D
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See I just got back from eating, and CQ goes on in detail of her, and my stomach is now uneasy. If it was some hottie with a body, whole other story but come on
I do apologize, it was totally unintentional and in the spirt of debate only. In hindsight, I do think I went a bit too far :-\
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Also, to get all motherish on you guys there are so many options nowdays, apart from the obvious of excusing yourself and covering up...
-Express the milk with a pump and bottlefeed when in public
-Keep baby on tight 3/4 hr feeding schedule and arrange outings with that in mind
-There are large baby bonnets available for the purpose of fully hiding the mothers breast while feeding, they are like $3
-There are special feeding bras and shirts that serve the same hiding purpose.
Basically, with all options, the only reason to blatantly breast feed in public nowdays is because you want to.
As an European ( if it needs to be mentioned here? ) and a father of 2½ and 8month olds I first tought, what an asshole. Now that you clarified your point with those - lines, I agree.
Altough I too find screaming babies as a lot more nuisance.
Its always nice when you're in a public transport or in a shop or something and your kid gets a fit. :-[
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in re-reading many of the comments posted here, I'm getting the impression most everyone is arguing the same thing. I'm perceiving the big objection to be a lack of discretion... however, the article clearly stated this woman was "discretely" breastfeeding in a private back booth. So what is the big deal?
And Jake don't be such a naughty little troll. There's just no comparison between a mother feeding her infant,
and your girlfriend providing you with a little oral gratification.
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So you're saying a breastfeeding mom has more rights than the people around her?
My girlfriend giving me head is perfectly natural but I doubt Applebees is the appropriate place. If it had to be done there, I'd at least put something over her head. :)
I'm not saying breastfeeding is a sexual act but it can be done in a discrete, unobtrusive manner.
I'm saying the people around a breastfeeding mom don't have the right not to see the mom breastfeeding. There is absolutely nothing offensive about breastfeeding. And it isn't obscenity like someone said (still waiting for that link).
I'm not even going to comment on the breastfeeding/blow job comparison. That's silly.
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you americans are so puritan.... do you all fuck with the lights off?
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If a customer complains then you have an issue you have to deal with. Either way it is a lose-lose for the company because you run the risk of pissing a customer off, but the establishment does have the right to ask someone to leave, refuse to serve them, etc. That woman would certainly make me lose my appetite. IMO, whether a natural act or not, you are in an air-conditioned place where using a towel to cover your breast is not unreasonable.
Edit:
2006 Ky. Acts, Chap. 80 Permits a mother to breastfeed her baby or express breastmilk in any public or private location; requires that breastfeeding may not be considered an act of public indecency, indecent exposure, sexual conduct, lewd touching or obscenity; prohibits a municipality from enacting an ordinance that prohibits or restricts breastfeeding in a public or private place. (SB 106)
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i would throw the whining bitch client out and tell the mother to bare her tit with pride...
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I'm saying the people around a breastfeeding mom don't have the right not to see the mom breastfeeding. There is absolutely nothing offensive about breastfeeding. And it isn't obscenity like someone said (still waiting for that link).
I'm not even going to comment on the breastfeeding/blow job comparison. That's silly.
Hyperbole, LOL!
My point is that the people around have the right to not see someone breastfeeding. If they started leaving en-masse places would go out of business. Your argument is basically that the breastfeeder's rights supercede the restaurant's and its patrons.
Breastfeeding can easily be done in a discrete manner. I'm not suggesting they stay home or be ostracized only do it in a manner that is considerate of other's sensitivities and the restaurant's ability to make money.
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Hyperbole, LOL!
My point is that the people around have the right to not see someone breastfeeding. If they started leaving en-masse places would go out of business. Your argument is basically that the breastfeeder's rights supercede the restaurant's and its patrons.
Breastfeeding can easily be done in a discrete manner. I'm not suggesting they stay home or be ostracized only do it in a manner that is considerate of other's sensitivities and the restaurant's ability to make money.
No they don't. "Thirty-nine states have laws with language specifically allowing women to breastfeed in any public or private location . . . ." http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/breast50.htm There is no right not to see a woman breastfeeding if a woman's right to breastfeed is protected by the law.
My argument is threefold: (1) the law protects a woman's right to breastfeed in public; (2) there is no right to not see a mother breastfeed in public--can you cite some law anywhere that says this?; and (3) people who are offended shouldn't look.
I agree a woman should try and be discreet. I disagree that she must try and be discreet.
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I think it's inappropriate and indecent to whip your tit out with no coverage while others are enjoying their meal. I think it is a natural act but their should be modesty because other people have to be around you. It isn't as simple as not looking. I have worked at places where people have complained about women in thongs and they are told to cover up or leave, simple as that. These people could have looked away but when you consider children and teens, not to mention yourself, looking away does not always work. It is no different IMO, because you are able to tell a woman how to use her body in one instance but not in another on the basis of decency.
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I think it's inappropriate and indecent to whip your tit out with no coverage while others are enjoying their meal. I think it is a natural act but their should be modesty because other people have to be around you. It isn't as simple as not looking. I have worked at places where people have complained about women in thongs and they are told to cover up or leave, simple as that. These people could have looked away but when you consider children and teens, not to mention yourself, looking away does not always work. It is no different IMO, because you are able to tell a woman how to use her body in one instance but not in another on the basis of decency.
puritan :)
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No they don't. "Thirty-nine states have laws with language specifically allowing women to breastfeed in any public or private location . . . ." http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/breast50.htm There is no right not to see a woman breastfeeding if a woman's right to breastfeed is protected by the law.
My argument is threefold: (1) the law protects a woman's right to breastfeed in public; (2) there is no right to not see a mother breastfeed in public--can you cite some law anywhere that says this?; and (3) people who are offended shouldn't look.
I agree a woman should try and be discreet. I disagree that she must try and be discreet.
I stand corrected and amazed hippies have made such gains in the trivial, LOL!
I don't have any problem with public breastfeeding unless it's someone fat. :)
I was just pseudo-bored but appreciate your giving me a good dialogue and some education on the subject.
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I love reading the differing points of view on this topic. Very interesting.
Here's a fact that I've had to deal with at least 5 times myself in the late 90's. People out to dinner DO NOT want to look at a woman breast feeding her baby. On at least 5 separate occasions I've had to ask different woman eating at a restaurant I managed on Newbury Street in Boston to either cover up or do it somewhere else because of complaints from other guests.
Most people simply don't want to see that while they are out at a restaurant trying to enjoy a meal and IMO they shouldn't have to.
I can't believe there are these breast feeding zealots out there that don't care about this. They care only about making a statement. Is it really that difficult to be discreet and cover up?
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I stand corrected and amazed hippies have made such gains in the trivial, LOL!
I don't have any problem with public breastfeeding unless it's someone fat. :)
I was just pseudo-bored but appreciate your giving me a good dialogue and some education on the subject.
No problem mang. :)
I know you're probably joking about fat women (or are you?), but I bet a fat, ugly woman is more likely to have a problem than a thin, attractive woman.
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No problem mang. :)
I know you're probably joking about fat women (or are you?), but I bet a fat, ugly woman is more likely to have a problem than a thin, attractive woman.
I never joke about fat people, LOL!
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For all of you who are repulsed by it, ...don't even consider going to Mississauga's Square one mall on September 28, 2007. The regional municipality of Peel is hosting a giant "Feed-in" in an attempt to break the world record for the largest amount of people breast feeding in one place at one time.
...for Keith, ... I doubt the women will allow a lineup after the babies have gotten their fill,
...but you can always hope, and get cheap tickets from Hawaii to Toronto on Expedia ...just in case ;) :P
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Why are men allowed to be topless at beaches, but not women?
Where is this? Some police state?
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Weird how guys pay money to go to strip clubs to see boobies, but are so offended when those boobies are displayed for free doing what they were intended for. As if more proof was needed that most men see women as nothing more than semen receptacles.
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Weird how guys pay money to go to strip clubs to see boobies, but are so offended when those boobies are displayed for free doing what they were intended for. As if more proof was needed that most men see women as nothing more than semen receptacles.
And your point is? :)
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Weird how guys pay money to go to strip clubs to see boobies, but are so offended when those boobies are displayed for free doing what they were intended for. As if more proof was needed that most men see women as nothing more than semen receptacles.
Applebees=food restaurant
Tittie Bar=tits and vagina
Applebees tits=gross and saggy
Tittie bar=firm and perky
I rest my case.
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Applebees=food restaurant
Tittie Bar=tits and vagina
Applebees tits=gross and saggy
Tittie bar=firm and perky
I rest my case.
Good points. I guess we should reserve judgment until said time that a superhot Hooter's waitress whose babysitter called in sick brings her baby to work, whips out her 21 year old fresh boobies and sticks one in the baby's mouth across from your table. My money's on you to suckle the second tit before the Fudge Brownie Sundae arrives at your table.