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sick of OJ, lets turn this topic into why china and russia are teaming up, buidling pipelines and building up they're armies
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Yes, Ted Kennedy has a drinking problem.
But how many Dem senators, in the last 2 months, have tried to fvck a man in an airport restroom?
How many Dem senators from Louisiana have been caught with multiple hookers?
I know Teddy Kennedy did a bad thing decades ago. He should have went to prison for it. Sure. But you're livnig in a glass house unless you condemn the two repub senators for their sex crimes this year.
Do you condemn those two repub senators for thir sex crimes this year, Joe?
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Do you condemn those two repub senators for thir sex crimes this year, Joe?
Only if the 2 repubs with the hookers didn't have wives.
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Yeah yeah.
You're still gonna vote for that opportunist Clinton. Mark my words.
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Yeah yeah.
You're still gonna vote for that opportunist Clinton. Mark my words.
Now she's an opportunist.....shit Zack, just about 6 months ago you were talking as if she was the second coming, what happend, truth finally settle in?
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I think the media is once again shooting themselves in the face on this latest OJ BS. Did anyone watch the continuing coverage after the initial news event? Did anyone not have enough OJ shoved at us before, so much so that we you would willingly watch hours more? Not anyone with over an 70 IQ I'm sure. oh oops, as much as we've been dumbed down, that could be more people than I imagined :-\
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Now she's an opportunist.....shit Zack, just about 6 months ago you were talking as if she was the second coming, what happend, truth finally settle in?
Never claimed I liked her.
But I've always been very impressed by her PR organisation, her media savvy. Also, 6 months ago, and before that, I claimed she was in bed with Murdoch (he owns) Fox. And I get more and more impressed how she's able to spin it.
And you will be very hard-pressed to find anything on Fox that is critical of Hillary Clinton.
I thought this was BS 10 months ago, and I still think it's BS.
The media has to be independent and shouldn't be some kind of cheerleading squad for either of the candidate.
Journalism isn't about "balance". It's about bringing out the truth, as objective as possible.
Since you seem to get most of your news from FoxNews, you will be indoctrinated with a more positive view of Hillary Clinton.
I remember back when you used to hate her. I'm sure you already consider her the least damaging Democrat president candidate.
Fox still has 10 months to convince you that voting Clinton is better than voting Giuliani, or whoever wins the Republican nomination.
I am looking forward to see how this will be done.
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Yes, Ted Kennedy has a drinking problem.
But how many Dem senators, in the last 2 months, have tried to fvck a man in an airport restroom?
How many Dem senators from Louisiana have been caught with multiple hookers?
I know Teddy Kennedy did a bad thing decades ago. He should have went to prison for it. Sure. But you're livnig in a glass house unless you condemn the two repub senators for their sex crimes this year.
Do you condemn those two repub senators for thir sex crimes this year, Joe?
Of course I condemn them, but there was only one who committed a crime, not two. The only crime Craig commited (and it's not a crime) is being dumb enough to not come forward right away.
Also, are you trying to say that Dems arn't doing the same thing? I'd be willing to bet my left nut they are and to an even worse extent than what you are hearing, it's a liberal media world and they won't report anything that would make the Dem party look bad, and if they did, you can bet your ass they will just sweep it under the rug and it'll just be a blip on the screen.
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Of course I condemn them, but there was only one who committed a crime, not two. The only crime Craig commited (and it's not a crime) is being dumb enough to not come forward right away.
Also, are you trying to say that Dems arn't doing the same thing? I'd be willing to bet my left nut they are and to an even worse extent than what you are hearing, it's a liberal media world and they won't report anything that would make the Dem party look bad, and if they did, you can bet your ass they will just sweep it under the rug and it'll just be a blip on the screen.
It's not a "liberal" (if by that you mean left leaning) media world.
I can't believe you're serious when writing something like that.
The mainstream media is bias towards the big corporations, and not only that, good journalism isn't marketable today. It doesn't draw the big bucks. Investigative journalism have been replaced by American Idol, Big Brother and Fear Factor.
Ask McChesney or any media scientist.
I claim that in the science world, this is not something that is even up for argument. It's just debated as how big the effects are.
Some people believe that people are still able to make choices, that the increased capitalism in the media market has improved the diversity.
Others think otherwise.
I am part of the latter group, although I don't think it's clearcut.
But today, there are 7-8 big news corporations who dominates the world media. Bertelsmann, News Corporation (Fox), Viacom, Time Warner and Disney (ABC) are the biggest.
The interest to do journalist jobs in these companies is close to zero.
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Of course I condemn them, but there was only one who committed a crime, not two. The only crime Craig commited (and it's not a crime) is being dumb enough to not come forward right away.
Also, are you trying to say that Dems arn't doing the same thing? I'd be willing to bet my left nut they are and to an even worse extent than what you are hearing, it's a liberal media world and they won't report anything that would make the Dem party look bad, and if they did, you can bet your ass they will just sweep it under the rug and it'll just be a blip on the screen.
I've seen it first hand how much Ted Kennedy can/does drink and it's not beer he drinks. He likes Johnny Walker, or at least he did 10 years ago.
You're right about certain Dems doing the same thing Craig is doing. The only difference is they haven't built their whole political career on beliefs that condemn the act. There's the difference and it's a big one. Had Craig and Vitter been moderate Republicans and not Christian Conservatives then no one would be saying anything. Well, the soliciting men in a public restroom would still be talked about but not Vitter.
You're "Liberal Media" quip is IMO not accurate especially considering that the media outlets have allowed Bush to dictate what they can and can't report on regarding Iraq.
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Of course I condemn them, but there was only one who committed a crime, not two. The only crime Craig commited (and it's not a crime) is being dumb enough to not come forward right away.
Why did Craig wait 27 days, then mail in a guilty plea, if he did nothing wrong?
Also, are you comfortable with a man who is naive enough to plead guilty to a crime he didn't do, making state and federal law as a Senator?
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Also, are you trying to say that Dems arn't doing the same thing? I'd be willing to bet my left nut they are and to an even worse extent than what you are hearing, it's a liberal media world and they won't report anything that would make the Dem party look bad, and if they did, you can bet your ass they will just sweep it under the rug and it'll just be a blip on the screen.
Fair enough. The liberal media sucks and they would sweep two Dem sex scandals under the rug. I accept that.
Then you have one question to answer - WHy wouldn't FOX News report it?
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Yes, Ted Kennedy has a drinking problem.
But how many Dem senators, in the last 2 months, have tried to fvck a man in an airport restroom?
How many Dem senators from Louisiana have been caught with multiple hookers?
I know Teddy Kennedy did a bad thing decades ago. He should have went to prison for it. Sure. But you're livnig in a glass house unless you condemn the two repub senators for their sex crimes this year.
Do you condemn those two repub senators for thir sex crimes this year, Joe?
both parties have scumbags.. but in the republican party they tell them to fuck off, and disassociate themeselves..
in the democratic party they become their poster boys.. please tell me that kennedy isnt a celebrity in the democratic party
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both parties have scumbags.. but in the republican party they tell them to fuck off, and disassociate themeselves..
Repubs will only condemn a man whose state's governor is repub.
Vitter - of louisiana - his replacement would have been appointed by a dem, who would have chosen a dem.
SO, the party didn't condemn him.
Craig - his replacement would have been appointed by the state's REPUB governor, who would have appointed a repub.
So the party condemned him.
It's all about seats in congress, not moral clarity.
Vitter was shagging hookers for a decade. Craig had one restroom misunderstanding. Vitter still walks on water cause they want his seat.
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Fair enough. The liberal media sucks and they would sweep two Dem sex scandals under the rug. I accept that.
Then you have one question to answer - WHy wouldn't FOX News report it?
In your opinion, what part of the media is liberal?
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Why did Craig wait 27 days, then mail in a guilty plea, if he did nothing wrong?
like I said, his only crime was not coming forward sooner. He was totally set up, why didn't they wait until he actually did something, all he did was basically reach his hand under the partition and they took him in for that, although he did try and pull rank during the interigation, they were trying to get him to admit that he was trying to do something that he MIGHT not have tried to do. Even though they haven't proved anything, they went forward to the media with only an alligation with no proof. Just the alligation alone cost him his career.......I say it's bullshit, was stupid for not coming forward, hell yes, should it have cost him a 26 year career...no freaking way!!
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It's best to deflect criticism away from the abortion called Bush/Cheney.
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Interesting terminology there Venus... dju suppose that's why so many Republicans are anti-abortion? ;)
I mean.. afterall, ...if you've witnessed an abortion up close, ...I doubt you could still be for it... right?
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like I said, his only crime was not coming forward sooner. He was totally set up, why didn't they wait until he actually did something, all he did was basically reach his hand under the partition and they took him in for that, although he did try and pull rank during the interigation, they were trying to get him to admit that he was trying to do something that he MIGHT not have tried to do. Even though they haven't proved anything, they went forward to the media with only an alligation with no proof. Just the alligation alone cost him his career.......I say it's bullshit, was stupid for not coming forward, hell yes, should it have cost him a 26 year career...no freaking way!!
Don't forget the game of footsey under the stall.
Ooops correction. There was no footsey, ...he just has a very wide stance. ;D
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like I said, his only crime was not coming forward sooner. He was totally set up, why didn't they wait until he actually did something, all he did was basically reach his hand under the partition and they took him in for that, although he did try and pull rank during the interigation, they were trying to get him to admit that he was trying to do something that he MIGHT not have tried to do. Even though they haven't proved anything, they went forward to the media with only an alligation with no proof. Just the alligation alone cost him his career.......I say it's bullshit, was stupid for not coming forward, hell yes, should it have cost him a 26 year career...no freaking way!!
Joe - you didn't answer my question -
Why did Craig wait 27 days, then mail in a guilty plea, if he did nothing wrong?
Also, are you comfortable with a man who is naive enough to plead guilty to a crime he didn't do, making state and federal law as a Senator?
The point isn't what happened in that bathroom - the point is the man is supposed to be making major laws for our country, and he was 'confused' about a guilty plea?
I know you have high standards for your physique, your work, etc.
Why would you defend this man who is obviously either
1) a bathroom sex offender
2) So ignorant of the law that he'll plead guilty to a crime he didn't do?
You see what I'm saying? He pleaded guilty. He's either guilty, or very dumb. Do you want want a guilty/ or very dumb, man making decisions for our nation?
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In your opinion, what part of the media is liberal?
I conceded the point that Joe made, because I know that arguments here always deteriorate into left/right, which is by design.
Instead, he should answer the question - Let's suppose the lib media DID cover up several Dem sex scandals. Why wouldn't FOX news tell us about it, Joe? FOX has an incredible info infrastructure - if it happens in the world, Fox news knows it!
So - by your left nut wager - FOX is either also hiding stories with the lib media - making them part of it... or, there is no story, in which case your original statement is false.
I'm back, Joe, i'm here to debate. Which is it? I hit you with 2 Qs today and nothing back :(
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I conceded the point that Joe made, because I know that arguments here always deteriorate into left/right, which is by design.
Instead, he should answer the question - Let's suppose the lib media DID cover up several Dem sex scandals. Why wouldn't FOX news tell us about it, Joe? FOX has an incredible info infrastructure - if it happens in the world, Fox news knows it!
So - by your left nut wager - FOX is either also hiding stories with the lib media - making them part of it... or, there is no story, in which case your original statement is false.
I'm back, Joe, i'm here to debate. Which is it? I hit you with 2 Qs today and nothing back :(
Next time, ...instead of 2 Q's, ...can you make it a cast iron frying pan intead? ...the really heavy kind? ;D
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Joe - you didn't answer my question -
Why did Craig wait 27 days, then mail in a guilty plea, if he did nothing wrong?
He pleaded guilty. He's either guilty, or very dumb. Do you want want a guilty/ or very dumb, man making decisions for our nation?
1. He waited for fear of what might (did) happen, he was a high profile politition, he knew what the repercussions would have been and he was right.
2. He's very dumb. BUT you cannot correlate his lack of poor judgment on this situation to his career record, from what I understand, he was very good for his state and did alot for it. You've never made a dumb mistake?
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2. He's very dumb. BUT you cannot correlate his lack of poor judgment on this situation to his career record, from what I understand, he was very good for his state and did alot for it. You've never made a dumb mistake?
Joe,
I don't want very dumb people making decisions about things like starting wars, spending our kids' social security money, or long term health care in America. Do you?
Would you rather have a "dumb" republican making decisions involving trillions of dolloars, or a lib?
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Joe,
I don't want very dumb people making decisions about things like starting wars, spending our kids' social security money, or long term health care in America. Do you?
Would you rather have a "dumb" republican making decisions involving trillions of dolloars, or a lib?
Dude, I said he was dumb for the decision he made regarding, you know as well as I do that has very little if anything to do with his job performance. Kenney murdered someone and the Kenney's in general are womanizers, Bird was a KKK member, Clinton lied on the stand (thats a crime) geez Rob, I can write page after page of "mistakes" that Libs have made and nothings happend to their careers. Rob, put things in a little perspective.
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Dude, I said he was dumb for the decision he made regarding, you know as well as I do that has very little if anything to do with his job performance.
What is a Senator's job?
Make legislation. Laws. They create laws we follow. They spend our money. They vote to send us to fight wars. They decide where our nation's money goes. They write the laws which dictate our freedoms (the Constitution).
THis man pleaded guilty to a crime. He did something, was interviewed by police, had 27 days to figure it out, and then "accidentally" pleaded guilty?
It has EVERYTHING to do with his job performance. He's telling us he doesn't understand a minor misdemeanor public behavior law. That's what he's telling us, right? He's telling us that he accidentally pleaded guilty to something - despite having a lawyer and 4 weeks to sort it out.
If the man cannot understand one law, in 4 weeks, with the help of his lawyer -
How in the WORLD can he understand complex legislation which sends hundreds of billions of dollars of borrowed money into use?
He cannot, Joe. You and I both know he isn't "dumb". WE both know he didn't "accidentally" plead guilty to anything. He looked over the small charge with his attorney, spent 4 weeks deciding, then put his signature on it. He thought he could plead quietly, and no one would ever hear about it. He was deceptive.
Can you admit the man was Deceptive, Joe?
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What is a Senator's job?
Make legislation. Laws. They create laws we follow. They spend our money. They vote to send us to fight wars. They decide where our nation's money goes. They write the laws which dictate our freedoms (the Constitution).
THis man pleaded guilty to a crime. He did something, was interviewed by police, had 27 days to figure it out, and then "accidentally" pleaded guilty?
It has EVERYTHING to do with his job performance. He's telling us he doesn't understand a minor misdemeanor public behavior law. That's what he's telling us, right? He's telling us that he accidentally pleaded guilty to something - despite having a lawyer and 4 weeks to sort it out.
If the man cannot understand one law, in 4 weeks, with the help of his lawyer -
How in the WORLD can he understand complex legislation which sends hundreds of billions of dollars of borrowed money into use?
He cannot, Joe. You and I both know he isn't "dumb". WE both know he didn't "accidentally" plead guilty to anything. He looked over the small charge with his attorney, spent 4 weeks deciding, then put his signature on it. He thought he could plead quietly, and no one would ever hear about it. He was deceptive.
Can you admit the man was Deceptive, Joe?
A Senator's job?
Is to represent the area where he was elected from.
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A Senator's job?
Is to represent the area where he was elected from.
His job is to represent them in Washington DC, creating and voting on legislation (laws).
My point here is that Joe is excusing his plea because he was "dumb" and didn't understand the misdemeanor charge against him. I contend that the man is VERY good at understanding laws - he makes them! There is NO WAY he accidentally pleaded guilty to a crime, knowing full well it'd likely be the end of his career. normal people don't just plead guilty accidentally. Senators with decades of lawmaking experience, armed with his own lawyer and 4 weeks time, DO NOT make silly mistakes like pleading guilty to something they didn't do.
My belief is that just like Alberto before him - some are allowing him to slide bcause they would rather believe he is DUMB, than accept he is being DISHONEST.
Joe - you CANNOT start throwing dem names into this either. If I go to jail for killing 5 people, am I allowed to tell the jury "yeah, well, this guy killed ten people. what's the big deal?" No. These are completely different arguments. You start a Kennedy thread if you want to do that. It's pathetic arguing and I am calling you on it now.
Face the facts at hand. You man Craig pleaded guilty, and is now claiming he didn't understand a small misdemeanor charge. It's an obvious lie. People who make laws for a living don't accidentally plead guilty to anything. It does not happen. You're gullible, or you're lying to yourself. And I don't think youre gullible.
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The mainstream media is bias towards the big corporations, and not only that, good journalism isn't marketable today.
Dont know about that bro on corporations not in media, corporations make the decisions for the media now, they have in house counsels in every major media newsroom in the country telling them what they can and cannot do, a corporate ambassador if you will.
Right no oney in journalism for any psychology science writers, or social. The writers have to dumb down things so much, that the sotry has to be linked to some kind of other outlet, like you said big brother or american idol.
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His job is to represent them in Washington DC, creating and voting on legislation (laws).
My point here is that Joe is excusing his plea because he was "dumb" and didn't understand the misdemeanor charge against him. I contend that the man is VERY good at understanding laws - he makes them! There is NO WAY he accidentally pleaded guilty to a crime, knowing full well it'd likely be the end of his career. normal people don't just plead guilty accidentally. Senators with decades of lawmaking experience, armed with his own lawyer and 4 weeks time, DO NOT make silly mistakes like pleading guilty to something they didn't do.
My belief is that just like Alberto before him - some are allowing him to slide bcause they would rather believe he is DUMB, than accept he is being DISHONEST.
Joe - you CANNOT start throwing dem names into this either. If I go to jail for killing 5 people, am I allowed to tell the jury "yeah, well, this guy killed ten people. what's the big deal?" No. These are completely different arguments. You start a Kennedy thread if you want to do that. It's pathetic arguing and I am calling you on it now.
Face the facts at hand. You man Craig pleaded guilty, and is now claiming he didn't understand a small misdemeanor charge. It's an obvious lie. People who make laws for a living don't accidentally plead guilty to anything. It does not happen. You're gullible, or you're lying to yourself. And I don't think youre gullible.
This I agree with.
Bringing up others lame actions isn't gonna make your actions any better.
You have to judge each person against what you believe is right or wrong. Not what someone else did.
That's just what weaklings do.
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This I agree with.
Bringing up others lame actions isn't gonna make your actions any better.
You have to judge each person against what you believe is right or wrong. Not what someone else did.
That's just what weaklings do.
Thanks. IMO, that is one of the major flaws of this board. I'd love to see a politics baord where everytime someone use the arguments "Yeah, well, so-and-so did this in 1965..." or the like, I'd like to see EVERYONE jump on them and ask it to stop.
It quickly derails every argument into a left vs. right thing, instead of a right vs. wrong argument.
Karl Rove bragged about his ability to use divisive politics - making it so that AMericans made decisions on how they felt based upon party lines, not individual issues. This divisiveness is why our nation is in such trouble. You can still be a great republican if you think the war is a bad idea. You can still be a good republican if you think Sen. Craig is a deceptive man. The only "team" here is Team America. You can be a good dem and believe Hilary is a snake and William Jefferson belongs in prison. I wish more people saw that. "My Party, right or wrong" has become the war cry and it's the reason those last 40 senators cannot vote to end the war, even though statistically, the majority of their constituents want to end the war.