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Title: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on September 23, 2007, 02:12:32 PM
Hey Milos, just thought i'd let you know i saw the nutritional portion of your secrets of the pros DVD and wanted to let you know i am going to follow your exact diet program for an ectomorph. 3500 calories seems like a little much. I basically calculated it for my bodyweight at my leanest which was about 150. If i don't see a noticable drop in bf and gain in weight by December i am holding you responsible for everything that went wrong  ;D. I will be keeping a detailed journal. Also another problem that arose. In your video you say a pound of muscle mass requires 69 calories to maintain. The real figure is 6-7 calories. Can you elaborate on this?
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: G o a t b o y on September 23, 2007, 02:15:04 PM
Hey Milos, just thought i'd let you know i saw the nutritional portion of your secrets of the pros DVD and wanted to let you know i am going to follow your exact diet program for an ectomorph. 3500 calories seems like a little much. I basically calculated it for my bodyweight at my leanest which was about 150. If i don't see a noticable drop in bf and gain in weight by December i am holding you responsible for everything that went wrong  ;D. I will be keeping a detailed journal. Also another problem that arose. In your video you say a pound of muscle mass requires 69 calories to maintain. The real figure is 6-7 calories. Can you elaborate on this?



Will you be taking Snake OilTM as well?
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on September 23, 2007, 02:15:48 PM


Will you be taking Snake OilTM as well?
I already do but not Milos brand snake oil. I am open to try it though but it is too expensive.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: WOOO on September 23, 2007, 02:16:42 PM
snake oil rules!!!  :-X
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: G o a t b o y on September 23, 2007, 02:17:47 PM
I already do but not Milos brand snake oil. I am open to try it though but it is too expensive.


If it's not Milos Brand, it's not real Snake OilTM!  If you don't believe me, just ask Milos.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Special Ed on September 23, 2007, 05:05:38 PM
Hey Milos, just thought i'd let you know i saw the nutritional portion of your secrets of the pros DVD and wanted to let you know i am going to follow your exact diet program for an ectomorph. 3500 calories seems like a little much. I basically calculated it for my bodyweight at my leanest which was about 150. If i don't see a noticable drop in bf and gain in weight by December i am holding you responsible for everything that went wrong  ;D. I will be keeping a detailed journal. Also another problem that arose. In your video you say a pound of muscle mass requires 69 calories to maintain. The real figure is 6-7 calories. Can you elaborate on this?
Leafy,

Milos rarely if ever responds to legitimate questions or compliments. He is, however, guaranteed to respond to an insult. Perhaps re-wording your question to something like, "Milos, what kind of moron are you to suggest that 3500 calories for a 150 lb guy is a good idea?"
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Fatpanda on September 23, 2007, 05:13:35 PM
bwahahahahahahaha ;D @ special ed - so true.

@leafy, try lifting weights and eating less. :o
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: shiftedShapes on September 23, 2007, 05:49:49 PM
Leafy,

Milos rarely if ever responds to legitimate questions or compliments. He is, however, guaranteed to respond to an insult. Perhaps re-wording your question to something like, "Milos, what kind of moron are you to suggest that 3500 calories for a 150 lb guy is a good idea?"

Milos doesn't have the guts to prove ED wrong.  He is a fraud just like Chad Nicholas with the plasma expanders



leafy maybe now he'll answer your question
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: SirTraps on September 23, 2007, 06:28:34 PM
how do you know Milos didnt mean 6-7 calories or 6.7 calories ?

       And Ed, maybe Milos doesnt like Schmoes  ::)
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 23, 2007, 06:33:29 PM
how do you know Milos didnt mean 6-7 calories or 6.7 calories ?

It's obvious he meant 69 calories if you listen to this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/related/4706200/video/x2svxu_milos-sarcevs-seminar-pt5_extreme

The drop in metabolic rate he talks about is BS. Even in extreme starvation over months and months metabolism never drops even close to that much. He gives the example of a lady with a daily cal requirement of 500 calories. Absolutely ridiculous.

fyi, I posted that table in the first place so I'm interested in Milos' answer to this.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on September 23, 2007, 07:22:26 PM
Leafy,

Milos rarely if ever responds to legitimate questions or compliments. He is, however, guaranteed to respond to an insult. Perhaps re-wording your question to something like, "Milos, what kind of moron are you to suggest that 3500 calories for a 150 lb guy is a good idea?"
Ive private messaged him legitimate questions before and have had him answer them but i understand where you are coming from hahaha.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on September 23, 2007, 07:23:52 PM
how do you know Milos didnt mean 6-7 calories or 6.7 calories ?

       And Ed, maybe Milos doesnt like Schmoes  ::)
Yeah ok "sir traps". Don't think bust a blood vessel from the intense thought required to type your next post. Im sure it will be clever and witty just as that one was. Tee hee.... he called me a schmoe how original.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: chaos on September 23, 2007, 07:32:04 PM
Yeah ok "sir traps". Don't think bust a blood vessel from the intense thought required to type your next post. Im sure it will be clever and witty just as that one was. Tee hee.... he called me a schmoe how original.
reading his post........it appears he is calling Ed a schmoe, you actually look like you are in shape, Ed on the other hand...... :-\
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: sgt. d on September 23, 2007, 07:35:43 PM
reading his post........it appears he is calling Ed a schmoe, you actually look like you are in shape, Ed on the other hand...... :-\

Why are you bashing Special Ed?
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on September 23, 2007, 07:41:01 PM
reading his post........it appears he is calling Ed a schmoe, you actually look like you are in shape, Ed on the other hand...... :-\
No way to tell without a quote.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: chaos on September 23, 2007, 07:43:39 PM
Why are you bashing Special Ed?
how is that bashing, Sean?
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Old-Skool on September 23, 2007, 07:53:13 PM
Didnt you have conjestive heart failure trying to inject oil in your tris when you went IV instead of IM...? :o
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on September 23, 2007, 08:12:43 PM
Didnt you have conjestive heart failure trying to inject oil in your tris when you went IV instead of IM...? :o
Again.... we do not know who you are referiing to unless you quote.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on September 24, 2007, 10:12:46 AM
bump  ;D
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: sgt. d on September 24, 2007, 11:43:45 AM
how is that bashing, Sgt. D?

You are suggesting that special ed is not in shape. From his recent picture it seems like he lost a great deal of weight. You on the other hand......well........uh .....
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: The True Adonis on September 24, 2007, 12:14:46 PM
I`ve exposed Milos in the past for being nothing but a huckstering charlatan, moonlighting as a pseudo nutritionist as well as a bogus "medical" doctor.

The reality is that he fails at all of the above.  The truth is, he promotes excessive drug usage,peddles junk to the ignorant and the moronic, alongside promoting methods steeped in falsity, totally juxtaposed to true Science.  The poor sods he panders to are looking for guidance because they are clueless to use reason and science for themselves.

Milos is a Chaucerian fraud.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Stavios on September 24, 2007, 12:21:08 PM
I`ve exposed Milos in the past for being nothing but a huckstering charlatan, moonlighting as a pseudo nutritionist as well as a bogus "medical" doctor.

The reality is that he fails at all of the above.  The truth is, he promotes excessive drug usage,peddles junk to the ignorant and the moronic, alongside promoting methods steeped in falsity, totally juxtaposed to true Science.  The poor sods he panders to are looking for guidance because they are clueless to use reason and science for themselves.

Milos is a Chaucerian fraud.

I see that you still love using big words to make you look intelligent  ;D
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: tommywishbone on September 24, 2007, 12:38:03 PM
I`ve exposed Milos in the past for being nothing but a huckstering charlatan, moonlighting as a pseudo nutritionist as well as a bogus "medical" doctor.

The reality is that he fails at all of the above.  The truth is, he promotes excessive drug usage,peddles junk to the ignorant and the moronic, alongside promoting methods steeped in falsity, totally juxtaposed to true Science.  The poor sods he panders to are looking for guidance because they are clueless to use reason and science for themselves.

Milos is a Chaucerian fraud.

 ;D He claims to have written The Canterbury Tales? Me confused.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: haider on September 24, 2007, 01:01:43 PM
I see that you still love using big words to make you look intelligent  ;D
There's nothing in his post that can't be said using informal language, what a douchebag  ???
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: garraeth on September 24, 2007, 01:02:56 PM
I see that you still love using big words to make you look intelligent  ;D
It took him six hours to write that with three "friends", two dictionaries (including the online one at Dictionary.com), an almanac, four thesauri, and an English TA from his local JC.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: G o a t b o y on September 24, 2007, 01:03:43 PM
I`ve exposed Milos in the past for being nothing but a huckstering charlatan, moonlighting as a pseudo nutritionist as well as a bogus "medical" doctor.

The reality is that he fails at all of the above.  The truth is, he promotes excessive drug usage,peddles junk to the ignorant and the moronic, alongside promoting methods steeped in falsity, totally juxtaposed to true Science.  The poor sods he panders to are looking for guidance because they are clueless to use reason and science for themselves.

Milos is a Chaucerian fraud.


Well at least the Snake OilTM booth at the Olympia is going to be teh awesome!   Don't be so hard on poor Milos!
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Captain Slin on September 24, 2007, 01:03:56 PM
1 lb of muscle is equivalent to 50  cals burned a day. Milos is right you are wrong.

Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: MAXX on September 24, 2007, 01:06:36 PM
1 lb of muscle is equivalent to 50  cals burned a day. Milos is right you are wrong.


what??

this statement is just rediculous

cals burned depends on activity factor aswell. Do you think a guy sitting on his ass all day long burns as many cals as a guy doing cardio and training?
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: shiftedShapes on September 24, 2007, 01:09:54 PM
I`ve exposed Milos in the past for being nothing but a huckstering charlatan, moonlighting as a pseudo nutritionist as well as a bogus "medical" doctor.

The reality is that he fails at all of the above.  The truth is, he promotes excessive drug usage,peddles junk to the ignorant and the moronic, alongside promoting methods steeped in falsity, totally juxtaposed to true Science.  The poor sods he panders to are looking for guidance because they are clueless to use reason and science for themselves.

Milos is a Chaucerian fraud.

Are you trying to imply that Milos' post workout shake is less than revolutionary?
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: tommywishbone on September 24, 2007, 01:12:57 PM
It took him six hours to write that with three "friends", two dictionaries (including the online one at Dictionary.com), an almanac, four thesauri, and an English TA from his local JC.

 ;D ;D What did he use the almanac for?
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 24, 2007, 01:25:43 PM
1 lb of muscle is equivalent to 50  cals burned a day. Milos is right you are wrong.


Nope, you are wrong. That's old info based on unreliable ways of measuring calorie demands.

Here's the study the table came from:
Quote
Curr Opin Clin Nutr Metab Care. 2001 Mar;4(2):143-7.
Dissecting the energy needs of the body.
McClave SA, Snider HL.

Department of Medicine, University of Louisville School of Medicine, 550 South Jackson Street, Louisville, Kentucky 40292, USA. samcclave@louisville.edu

The majority of the resting energy expenditure can be explained by the energy needs of a few highly metabolic organs, making up a small percentage of the body by weight. The relationship of the specific size, individual metabolism, and proportional contribution to the actual body weight and total energy expenditure for each of these organs is a dynamic process throughout growth and development, the onset of disease, and changes in nutritional status. Defining the energy needs of the individual tissues and organ systems immeasurably enhances our understanding of the body's response to these clinical processes, which otherwise could not easily be evaluated by focusing solely on total energy expenditure, fat-free mass, nitrogen imbalance, or actual body weight. Recently reported studies have served mainly to reinforce concepts described previously, and clarify some areas of controversy.

Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 24, 2007, 01:26:32 PM
what??

this statement is just rediculous

cals burned depends on activity factor aswell. Do you think a guy sitting on his ass all day long burns as many cals as a guy doing cardio and training?
We are talking about resting metabolic needs. Same as Milos was discussing.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on September 24, 2007, 01:52:15 PM
I`ve exposed Milos in the past for being nothing but a huckstering charlatan, moonlighting as a pseudo nutritionist as well as a bogus "medical" doctor.

The reality is that he fails at all of the above.  The truth is, he promotes excessive drug usage,peddles junk to the ignorant and the moronic, alongside promoting methods steeped in falsity, totally juxtaposed to true Science.  The poor sods he panders to are looking for guidance because they are clueless to use reason and science for themselves.

Milos is a Chaucerian fraud.

Adonis speaks the truth with seductive eloquence, as usual. 8)
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Captain Slin on September 24, 2007, 01:56:58 PM
Nope, you are wrong. That's old info based on unreliable ways of measuring calorie demands.

Here's the study the table came from:


where in that study does it show that 1lb of muscle burns 6-7 calories a day at rest? maybe im stupid but i dont see it.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: SteelePegasus on September 24, 2007, 02:02:00 PM
It took him six hours to write that with three "friends", two dictionaries (including the online one at Dictionary.com), an almanac, four thesauri, and an English TA from his local JC.

is that before or after breeding and racing greyhounds?
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: haider on September 24, 2007, 02:08:04 PM
is that before or after breeding and racing greyhounds?
also in between drinking expensive wine, and what goes best with it- mcdonalds.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: PANDAEMONIUM on September 24, 2007, 02:10:36 PM
Adonis is the greatest mindfvcker in Getbig history.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 24, 2007, 02:47:00 PM
where in that study does it show that 1lb of muscle burns 6-7 calories a day at rest? maybe im stupid but i dont see it.
That is what is called an ABSTRACT lol. The full paper costs money to purchase. The attached table in the first post comes from the full paper.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Captain Slin on September 24, 2007, 02:59:14 PM
That is what is called an ABSTRACT lol. The full paper costs money to purchase. The attached table in the first post comes from the full paper.

well do you have it? obviously that wasn the full study, but do you have the rest of it? you posted it as if crucia information was in the paragraph lol
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Van_Bilderass on September 24, 2007, 03:17:58 PM
well do you have it? obviously that wasn the full study, but do you have the rest of it? you posted it as if crucia information was in the paragraph lol
I don't have it. But if you search google you can find discussions on the paper.
This one for example:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Does-Strength-Training-Boost-Your-Metabolism?&id=669160

It was he training that caused the "50 cal" metabolism boost.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: garraeth on September 24, 2007, 04:46:51 PM
;D ;D What did he use the almanac for?
Duh.  Is it not obvious? ::)

He had that on hand - just in case. You never know when you'll need to know what country the Port of Spain is the capital of during a GetBig rant.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on September 24, 2007, 04:59:10 PM
Duh.  Is it not obvious? ::)

He had that on hand - just in case. You never know when you'll need to know what country the Port of Spain is the capital of during a GetBig rant.
Garreth, do you eat the 5000 calories of clean food that milos recommends every day?
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on September 24, 2007, 05:04:46 PM
Milos, how do you respond to Layne Nortons claim that protien intake over 1.5g a day has actually been shown to decrease anabolism? Layne says 1.5 g AT MOST. He has studies to back this up. What is your response to this? Also, is this a program that a natural should use? I know Jeff Rodriguez has extremely high protien intake and follows nutrition principles simmilar to your guidelines.
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: chaos on September 24, 2007, 08:10:47 PM
You are suggesting that special ed is not in shape. From his recent picture it seems like he lost a great deal of weight. You on the other hand......well........uh .....
well Sean, I won't argue he has lost weight, but he didn't look to be "in shape" in the last photos either. and you on the other hand.......well....uh... .... ::)
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: sgt. d on September 24, 2007, 08:29:29 PM
well Sgt. D, I won't argue he has lost weight, but he didn't look to be "in shape" in the last photos either. and you on the other hand.......well....uh... .... ::)

I have never posted my pics on getbig. Shawn is in great shape. Thanks for your love :-*
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on October 01, 2007, 07:14:55 PM
Bump, maybe you can answer this now since you aren't busy with the olympia milos  ;)
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: SteelePegasus on October 01, 2007, 07:17:13 PM
also in between drinking expensive wine, and what goes best with it- mcdonalds.

now it all makes sense, thanks or clearing that up...clearly he is a man of culture  ::)
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Hedgehog on October 01, 2007, 07:47:57 PM
Milos, how do you respond to Layne Nortons claim that protien intake over 1.5g a day has actually been shown to decrease anabolism? Layne says 1.5 g AT MOST. He has studies to back this up. What is your response to this? Also, is this a program that a natural should use? I know Jeff Rodriguez has extremely high protien intake and follows nutrition principles simmilar to your guidelines.

jrod definitely has had good results.

I think every natural could learn from him, one way or another.

Regardless, an extreme high diet seems unnecessary.

Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on October 01, 2007, 07:51:05 PM
jrod definitely has had good results.

I think every natural could learn from him, one way or another.

Regardless, an extreme high diet seems unnecessary.


Im curious as to what is the purpose of using exogeneous insulin as oppose to your own. If you use dextrose after a work out won't enough insulin be released as needed to balance out the rise in blood sugar? So wouldn't using more sugar have the same effect?
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: Palpatine Q on October 01, 2007, 08:08:58 PM
I`ve exposed Milos in the past for being nothing but a huckstering charlatan, moonlighting as a pseudo nutritionist as well as a bogus "medical" doctor.

The reality is that he fails at all of the above.  The truth is, he promotes excessive drug usage,peddles junk to the ignorant and the moronic, alongside promoting methods steeped in falsity, totally juxtaposed to true Science.  The poor sods he panders to are looking for guidance because they are clueless to use reason and science for themselves.

Milos is a Chaucerian fraud.

That is quite the ponderous paragraph
Title: Re: Question for MILOS!!
Post by: haider on October 01, 2007, 08:15:13 PM
That is quite the ponderous paragraph
his attempts at sounding sophisticated and smart are pathetic, LMAO! Truly makes me laugh with ihs douchebagery  ;D