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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: Bluto on September 23, 2007, 05:20:37 PM
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There's been some complaints that we don't discuss technique enough (a suggestion would be, instead of complaining about what others do or don't do, do it yourself) so I thought let's have a thread about it...
I would have to say flying knee
It might not get the approval of the ground game black belts of the board, but IMO it's a beautiful technique, very hard to pull off, and often a fight-finisher when one does.
What's yours?
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Being that some people think that a flying knee is a "technique" when it's nothing more than launching yourself in the air and hopefully landing it, let's have a thread about something people actually spend time practicing, and doesn't have a massive "luck" factor involved. Personally, I think a perfectly executed armbar like Fedor did to Coleman in Pride is a thing of beauty.
So, what's everyone's favorite technique that's actually schooled in a gym?
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right hand to left side of chin :-*
lights out baby, yeah!!!
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figure four leg lock, old school baby!!
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figure four leg lock, old school baby!!
hahaha! A stone-cold stunner is also a completely viable mode of attack.
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I'm a knockout lovin kinda guy so I'll stick with right hand to left side of jaw ;)
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I'm a knockout lovin kinda guy so I'll stick with right hand to left side of jaw ;)
I ko'd a 6'3 kid with that in one punch last year.
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Being that some people think that a flying knee is a "technique" when it's nothing more than launching yourself in the air and hopefully landing it, let's have a thread about something people actually spend time practicing, and doesn't have a massive "luck" factor involved. Personally, I think a perfectly executed armbar like Fedor did to Coleman in Pride is a thing of beauty.
So, what's everyone's favorite technique that's actually schooled in a gym?
Of course it's a technique, and it requires a lot of practice. For example one of the greatest fighters in K-1, Remy "the flying gentleman" Bonjasky has shown on video how he practice it a lot, and used it with great success in his fights.
"On December 6, 2003 at K-1 World Grand Pix 2003 quarterfinals in Tokyo, Japan Remy Bonjasky was matched up against Australian Peter "The Chief" Graham. Remy won the fight by 1st round TKO. In semis Cyril Abidi fell victim of The Flying Gentleman's flying knee attacks and after defeating Musashi in tournament finals by unanimous decision Bonjasky was the K-1 World Champion."
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Of course it's a technique, and it requires a lot of practice. For example one of the greatest fighters in K-1, Remy "the flying gentleman" Bonjasky has shown on video how he practice it a lot, and used it with great success in his fights.
"On December 6, 2003 at K-1 World Grand Pix 2003 quarterfinals in Tokyo, Japan Remy Bonjasky was matched up against Australian Peter "The Chief" Graham. Remy won the fight by 1st round TKO. In semis Cyril Abidi fell victim of The Flying Gentleman's flying knee attacks and after defeating Musashi in tournament finals by unanimous decision Bonjasky was the K-1 World Champion."
Last I checked, K-1 was not MMA. Hope this helps. People fighting MMA don't have time to be constantly practicing flying knees when they use them maybe once a year, and most guys don't bother at all.
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I'll also go on the record and say that pretty much any Judo throw when executed perfectly is a thing of absolute beauty. See a Karo fight for example.
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Here's a photo of this beautiful Muay Thai technique, that obviously is part of the MMA game.
One would think that someone training MT would recognize one of their own techniques... ::)
(http://www.siroccofc.pl/pic/art/7.jpg)
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I do like to see a good hard earned rear naked choke in use sometimes, not the kind the guy slaps on and chokes someone out with, the kind the chokee fights like hell to stop, but just loses out in the end and gets choked the fuck out.
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Here's a photo of this beautiful Muay Thai technique, that obviously is part of the MMA game.
One would think that someone training MT would recognize one of their own techniques... ::)
(http://www.siroccofc.pl/pic/art/7.jpg)
I recognize it. I also recognize the fact that you see a good flying knee maybe once a year in MMA. I don't see push kicks in MMA, but those are trained too. What's your point?
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I recognize it. I also recognize the fact that you see a good flying knee maybe once a year in MMA. I don't see push kicks in MMA, but those are trained too. What's your point?
The fact that you don't see this beautiful technique more often makes it even more exciting when you do. My point is along with the topic of the thread - picking a technique that is your favorite. And I did.
You did your usual attack on me any chance you get-routine and claimed it's NOT a technique (!!)
Then you went making your own thread, which I had to merge. The change from "pick your favorite technique" to "pick your favorite techniqe you train" isnt big enough to warrant an own thread. Both can be discussed in this thread.
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The fact that you don't see this beautiful technique more often makes it even more exciting when you do. My point is along with the topic of the thread - picking a technique that is your favorite. And I did.
You did your usual attack on me any chance you get-routine and claimed it's NOT a technique (!!)
Then you went making your own thread, which I had to merge. The change from "pick your favorite technique" to "pick your favorite techniqe you train" isnt big enough to warrant an own thread. Both can be discussed in this thread.
Are you bragging about merging a thread I made? Wow, I'm so hurt. And I'm willing to bet most UFC fighters don't train "flying knees" just like they don't spend hours training push kicks. With the amount of striking/wrestling/grappling/lifting/conditioning they have to do, useless techniques are streamlined out due to lack of time. So in reality, I doubt it's trained much at all. Hope this helps.
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Are you bragging about merging a thread I made? Wow, I'm so hurt. And I'm willing to bet most UFC fighters don't train "flying knees" just like they don't spend hours training push kicks. With the amount of striking/wrestling/grappling/lifting/conditioning they have to do, useless techniques are streamlined out due to lack of time. So in reality, I doubt it's trained much at all. Hope this helps.
Bragging? No. Explaining? Yes.
The amount of time practice is besides the point. There's a lot of fighters that don't practice high kicks, Cro Cop style either. That doesn't mean it's not a technique and that it doesnt quality as a beautiful one at that. Same could be said about spinning back fists etc etc.
You don't seem to have a point. :-\
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Bragging? No. Explaining? Yes.
The amount of time practice is besides the point. There's a lot of fighters that don't practice high kicks, Cro Cop style either. That doesn't mean it's not a technique and that it doesnt quality as a beautiful one at that. Same could be said about spinning back fists etc etc.
You don't seem to have a point. :-\
Of course I do. I'd venture to guess that 99.9% of top level MMA fighters don't train flying knees. Could I make it any clearer to you, or do you feel like bringing up K-1 again? Oh, and last I checked, K-1 Kickboxing is all stand up, and not MMA. ;D
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Of course I do. I'd venture to guess that 99.9% of top level MMA fighters don't train flying knees. Could I make it any clearer to you, or do you feel like bringing up K-1 again? Oh, and last I checked, K-1 Kickboxing is all stand up, and not MMA. ;D
But it doesnt matter. The thread is not about how much it's practiced, it's about any technique that is, or may be, part of a fighters arsenal.
Muay Thai is one of the corner stones of MMA. And so are their techniques.
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Muay Thai is one of the corner stones of MMA. And so are their techniques.
Thanks for the enlightenment. Never would have thunk that!!! ::)
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Thanks for the enlightenment. Never would have thunk that!!! ::)
Apparantely not:
"Oh, and last I checked, K-1 Kickboxing is all stand up, and not MMA"
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Apparantely not:
"Oh, and last I checked, K-1 Kickboxing is all stand up, and not MMA"
Are you saying that K-1 has a ground game? That's news to me. Here I was thinking the fight was stopped when a fighter hits the canvas. You ever watch it? Try it sometime, it's more entertaining than MMA at times.
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Are you saying that K-1 has a ground game? That's news to me. Here I was thinking the fight was stopped when a fighter hits the canvas. You ever watch it? Try it sometime, it's more entertaining than MMA at times.
I have, since day 1. Even live several times over the years. Unlike you.
The mentioning of Remy was to prove a point, the point was that indeed it's a technique, and it's background is Muay Thai, which is one of the corner stones of MMA. That he's fighting in K-1 is besides the point.
Further on, you claim it's not something one practice, and it's just about luck. Total bullshit. As Remy (and others) have shown on video how they train it over and over and over again.
I guess the more one trains, the luckier one gets. ::)
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you guys are crackin me up, keep it up!!! ;D
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This was pretty sweet, I think it was on fight night.
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This was pretty sweet, I think it was on fight night.
yeah that was awesome! it does happen from time to time, and it's great every time it does 8)
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Says the guy whose never trained a day in his life.
It's originally a quote from Samuel Goldwyn "the harder I work, the luckier I get"
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I wouldn't say it's a thechnique but I love the foot stomp. I dont see it used nearly enough. A couple good ones deliverd can break a foot. I hate seeing guys stomp the toes. I would stomp across and down over the top of the foot. Little bones break easier and there are little bones up there. I wonder why we don't see this more often.
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kimura, hurts like hell.
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I wouldn't say it's a thechnique but I love the foot stomp. I dont see it used nearly enough. A couple good ones deliverd can break a foot. I hate seeing guys stomp the toes. I would stomp across and down over the top of the foot. Little bones break easier and there are little bones up there. I wonder why we don't see this more often.
I don't like it. Not sure it should even be allowed. Bad sportmanship.
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anaconda choke, heel hook
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I don't like it. Not sure it should even be allowed. Bad sportmanship.
I agree here, it's like poking the eyes, or pulling hair.
Agreeing with Blutroll made me feel dirty, I need a shower.
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I prefer striking....but I do enjoy unique submissions.
For instance the heel hook Chonan put on Silva. That was insane!
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That go-go plata Diaz put on Gomi was the coolest thing I've seen in MMA.
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This armbar Renzo puts on Sakata at about the 3:30 mark of this clip is the most technical I've ever seen in MMA. I had to watch it a few times to see exactly what he did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28D_156dLXE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28D_156dLXE)
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gogo i pull off alot during nogi training (not full on mma) rubber gaurd is still kinda new to mma and you have to have some degree of flexibillity, but i would like to see it more. its just a diff ball game when one day your rolling nogi to pull it off compared to tryin to defend punches and pulling it off
anaconda choke i love but once again in order to get it off a sprawl they have to go for a single leg and you have to have your arm DEEEEEP for it to work, im talkin your shoulder has to dip pretty much past side of his head in order to reach all way around and grab the bicep. if its not deep when you roll it will b more of a neck crank and not full on choke.
also flying traingles lol........ i would like to see more of these from a trapped kick
and i love the reverse and upside down triangles, or traingle,straight arm submmission
im a big bjj guy but I LOVE STAND UP
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Far side armbar for me.
Why is every thread a pissing contest between Bluto and someone. ???
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Far side armbar for me.
Why is every thread a pissing contest between Bluto and someone. ???
its b/c mma is the new 'dj' craze... so everyone starts gettin upset about who really trains and who is keyboard warrior etc.
i really could care less, i train, i dont compete. maybe one day, and i dont tell anyone that i even train. for some reason now adays with teh popularity of tuff crowd it just gets me into trouble outside of the gym...
i think its just more ego than anything (the pissing contest) lol
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muay thai clinch /w knees :)
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one other thing from a standup point i dont see alot is body shots. theres just something great about a body knockout
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one other thing from a standup point i dont see alot is body shots. theres just something great about a body knockout
I love the shovel hook to the body. ;D
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one other thing from a standup point i dont see alot is body shots. theres just something great about a body knockout
The good old days of Bas Rutten's liver punch knockouts! :)
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haha gotta love bas
YES... TO THE LIVER!
i've seen a few fights live that ended with the liver shot, most of the time people dont know what happend they just dont see someone being knocked out like that...
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I love to see elbows thrown from the stand up.. When the other person is back to the fence.. I think they should do this more.. I don't understand why they don't.. AND I LOVE THE FOOT STOMP!!!!!!!! 100% better then a knee to the ribs or leg in my book.
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im not so much for elbows as they stop fights early. where's the fun in waiting for a fight for 3 months and then it's stopped 2 minutes into the first round because of a cut.
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I love to see elbows thrown from the stand up.. When the other person is back to the fence.. I think they should do this more.. I don't understand why they don't.. AND I LOVE THE FOOT STOMP!!!!!!!! 100% better then a knee to the ribs or leg in my book.
i love these two and i train them hard on the bag, i will say this. to me it is a very awkward thing to do, push off clinch and swing elbow in the right motion where your fist basically goes into your opposite arm pit and down, feels very strange to me still so i can generate huge power with it yet. but practice makes everything
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i love these two and i train them hard on the bag, i will say this. to me it is a very awkward thing to do, push off clinch and swing elbow in the right motion where your fist basically goes into your opposite arm pit and down, feels very strange to me still so i can generate huge power with it yet. but practice makes everything
Try not to throw it as you are stepping out.. Throw it short and stepping in.. So don't let go of the clinch with the back hand. Hold the head or bag and let your striking hand release and then throw it stepping in.. Short elbows still hurt and do damage... That's how I train to throw them while standing..
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my favorite technique ;D
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=j--gzYpGpnw (http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=j--gzYpGpnw)
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It's fun to watch a well-executed suplex.
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i love a good slam too...
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Try not to throw it as you are stepping out.. Throw it short and stepping in.. So don't let go of the clinch with the back hand. Hold the head or bag and let your striking hand release and then throw it stepping in.. Short elbows still hurt and do damage... That's how I train to throw them while standing..
this may b why i feel so awkward, i have been throwin it while releasing clinch and stepping out. ill give it a try.