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Getbig Female Info Boards => Figure, Bikini and Fitness Info and Discussions => Topic started by: Tre on October 01, 2007, 09:55:31 AM
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Let the games begin...
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Just saw the results - what a joke.
The question of the day: "Are you kiddin' me?"
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jenny lynn first and sonia third among 30 girls
while jenny lynn i dont have a problem winning even though i prefer valerie, gina and amber
sonia i just dont get it.
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If Jenny Lynn is 1, then why isn't Mary Lado 2?
Please explain. Thanks in advance.
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couldnt agree more
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by the way were Valerie,Monica and Mary were so bad....... just hilarious and unbelievably stupid.
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Mary was definitely "off" and not even close to touching Jenny. Jenny was the clear winner in the mix from there the rumblings start.
Where is the millionaire gimmick man? He thought I was crazy for moving Gina up into the top three after seeing her at the TOC?
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I made my gripes in the other figure thread about how Val got screwed.
But I should explain myself. Honestly, Gina and Amanda brought the best packages to the stage, the very package that the judges rejected at the Arnold, saying that was too hard, and that they were pushing a softer look. I'll call it the "Lado look." (Not the 2006 Arnold Lado look, rather the 2007 Arnold Lado look, which was NOT a good look). I don't agree with that, but OK, I'll take their word for it.
So Val brings a softer look to the Olympia stage, and gets beaten handily by the very physique she brought to the 2007 Arnold (Gina and Amanda). Isn't that the very package the judges were telling the girls to abandon? I guess not.
The fact of the matter, the judges don't agree on judging criteria, and are not consistent from show to show, leaving it to the girls to guess what they want at any given show. That's not fair to the girls who spend a lot of time training, dieting, etc. for these shows.
Why not tell the girls to come in ripped and hard, then ask them to pose in a truly relaxed pose with quarter turns, as well as the traditional "flexed" relaxed poses, and then the judges can evaluate more stuff in grading the ladies. With all the work they put in, I think they deserve a few extra minutes to be honestly critiqued.
Also, screw the call-outs, and how that predetermines everything. I think they can continue to mix the call-outs and have the girls in a lot more comparisons. Give the judges the time necessary to truly ID the distinctions, so they can do a better job judging.
If you use my standard for figure, Gina won the show. If you tell Val to bring her "A" game like she did at the Arnold, then you have
Val, Gina and Amanda all at about a tie.
Amber is not balanced. She needs to bring her shoulders down, or everthing else up. That lack of balance should not be rewarded.
Sonja is a JPM girl, so she gets top 5 automatically. So does Jenny. Jenny Lynn may be a super person, but she wasn't the best figure competitor on Fri/Sat.
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Sonja is a JPM girl, so she gets top 5 automatically. So does Jenny. Jenny Lynn may be a super person, but she wasn't the best figure competitor on Fri/Sat.
You were making some valid arguments until this. This is the same tired excuse whenever a woman places well.
::)
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Valid point, and I apologize. I hate when I let my bad attitude cause me to make an unwarranted crack at somebody. They don't deserve it, and it was crappy for me to say it.
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I don't think Jenny was as good as 06, however looking back at the pics I don't see anyone aside from possibly Gina who could beat her or rather "knock out the champ". Jenny was criticized for quad defintion and it seemed like that same problem resurfaced after correcting it last year. I wish Amanda was a bit less conditioned like at the Arnold and she could have been right in the running for the title.
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I'm not ready to say that Val looked this way (which was still really good) intentionally, she's very independent and usually comes in the way she desires. We'd have to find out from her.
So Val brings a softer look to the Olympia stage, and gets beaten handily by the very physique she brought to the 2007 Arnold (Gina and Amanda). Isn't that the very package the judges were telling the girls to abandon? I guess not.
I don't think the call-outs necessarily determine everything. It just so happens that the judges pick their initial favorites to look at it first, and then if becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. If you look at the end some of the athletes were called back for an additional look, "out of order" so to speak.
Also, screw the call-outs, and how that predetermines everything. I think they can continue to mix the call-outs and have the girls in a lot more comparisons. Give the judges the time necessary to truly ID the distinctions, so they can do a better job judging.
Thanks for the comment below. I feel like there was some sort of Amber lovefest going on both before and during the show. I just don't see it. She's top ten material but there are definite and noticeable flaws in her physique including the lack of balance / symmetry that you mention.
Amber is not balanced. She needs to bring her shoulders down, or everthing else up. That lack of balance should not be rewarded.
Disagree with you here. Sonia very much deserved her placing, she was gorgeous and symmetrical, but she's smaller so you have to evaluate her physique a little differently. Anyway, I'm repeating what we said in our report .... Amanda is also with JMP, Gina is as well though to her credit she's more independent. Politics only bump people one or two spots in either direction, they don't result in a wholesale changing of the placings. And right now there are not a lot of management alternatives for the top athletes, so by definition those at the top select JMP and JMP selects them. So it's no surprise that the best athletes place well, you can't blame politics.
Sonja is a JPM girl, so she gets top 5 automatically. So does Jenny. Jenny Lynn may be a super person, but she wasn't the best figure competitor on Fri/Sat.
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I personally liked what Gina brought to the stage. Her physique is one I think should be the model for Figure.
Amber has a really great shape and she does have awesome shoulder caps and has some "sick" back definition. Jenny, well, she has a physique that seems to suit her well and you can't take that away from her.
That's one thing I am noticing, especially in fitness....the judges don't necessarily want the same conditioning on every athlete. Case in point....Tanji....a super ripped, dry look would not suit her. I think she brings something different and still places very well....why, well it suits her. If you put that same type of conditioning on Adela, I just don't think it would fit...but on Tanji it looks right. (BTW, I mentioned last week that I thought she might have a hard time coming into the O after competing right after the TOC...Let me be the first to say - I WAS WRONG - Great job Tanji on kicking it all the way into the O!)
While this concept is a tough one for competitors to deal with, someone recently said it very well....YOU determine how YOU want to come into the show and no matter what and you win, just maybe not the title.
In this sport, you need to strive for what you want your physique to look like. Does that mean you are going to belong on stage if you decide not to give up the Hagen Das...NO. But every competitor needs to examine how they look and determine what is most aesthetically pleasing while still bringing a "competitive package".
Rick
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I don't think Jenny was as good as 06, however looking back at the pics I don't see anyone aside from possibly Gina who could beat her or rather "knock out the champ".
Yes Gina definitely has the potential to "knock out the champ", and she is showing the most promise of possibly doing so. Everyone needs to remember Gina is only 23 and being as close as she is to throwing that knock-out blow... Gina could possibly be the future of Figure and reign over it for a very long time.
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I didn't really agree with the judging but nothing new there. It's a subjective sport, I guess the judges and I don't see it the same. Well, with the exception of Jenny Lynn. I think she deserved to win. She was the best on the stage that night. I prefer a fuller Jenny myself but she still won the show IMO. She always has such great stage presence and her suits are always beautiful and fit her shape perfectly.
Mo was not at her best but I still think she should have cracked top 5. IMO she also looks better fuller, more muscular. Also her suit cut was a little off. None the less, with her structure and muscularity she should have been in the top 5. Same as Val, I would have had her second. That girls structure and symmetry is just insane. Even being a little "soft" she still looked phenomenal.
Just my 2 cents! ;)
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Mary was definitely "off" and not even close to touching Jenny. Jenny was the clear winner in the mix from there the rumblings start.
Where is the millionaire gimmick man? He thought I was crazy for moving Gina up into the top three after seeing her at the TOC?
How does Gina not place above Jenny Lynn?
I have nothing for or against either woman.
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How does Gina not place above Jenny Lynn?
I have nothing for or against either woman.
Tre... It is because you can't rush the future, you must let it happen. When things are forced to blossom early, they also fade quickly. Just sit back and let nature and evolution take their course.
**Damn I have to quit reading Zen books on the plane**
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How does Gina not place above Jenny Lynn?
I have nothing for or against either woman.
Lower body - especially from lower thigh downwards. She is just not in the same league when it comes to Jenny Lynns structure.
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Gina absolutely smoked everyone and should've won the show.
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Lower body - especially from lower thigh downwards. She is just not in the same league when it comes to Jenny Lynns structure.
Regarding the above statement, do you any front/back pics of Jenny and Gina? I'd love to look at some comparisons. I'm not saying I disagree, but I'd like to see what you're referring to.
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I don't have time right now to copy and paste and link photos myself, like this person did.... but check out this thread I saw on Legeros's forum last night.... this makes my point about Gina vs. the field (inc. Jenny). (sorry for having to link to another board....)
http://femuscle.org/board/showthread.php?t=1031
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One to watch... Zivile. She is stunning.
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I watched the figure and I couldn't disagree with the placings.. Jenny deserved the victory, some of the other placings could have been switched without to much fuss - either way.
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One to watch... Zivile. She is stunning.
Is it ok to say "Goddamn, she's fine!!!!"?
Because if it's not ok, it ought to be. hehe
Great work this weekend, Isaac - I hope that your recovery is going well. Me, I've pretty much slept most of the day...between angry keyboard cowboy posts, that is. lol
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I watched the figure and I couldn't disagree with the placings.. Jenny deserved the victory...
Ok then, I ask again:
If Jenny Lynn is 1, then why isn't Mary Lado 2?
Please explain. Thanks in advance.
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Ok then, I ask again:
If Jenny Lynn is 1, then why isn't Mary Lado 2?
Please explain. Thanks in advance.
Did you watch prejudging? If you had you would've seen the answer.
;D
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Here's what I thought about the Figure O (this was posted in a different board):
Both Gina and Amanda carried a lot of muscle at the O, which was very good. Their placements were well deserved, although Gina could have won the title without a problem. I'm suprised that Amanda was able to places the way she did with her (to me) impressive delt and lower-ab vascularity.
Jennifer was like Christine P-P, the minute I saw her pics, BOOM! Instant fan. Her look at the O was pretty good, but I didn't expect her to get that high of a debut. First callouts and getting fourth place?!?! Say what you want, but you can't get made at a rookie for giving it the old college try.
I'll admit, there was one person in particular that was kinda outta place in the top six...and that was Sonia Adcock. At the Arnold, I went, "Who the hell was that?" At the O, I went "Huh? She got thrid?" Actually on there, I was expecting Gina or V-Dub or Mo.
When Amber was announced sixth place, I scratched my head, as she was runner-up last year. That moment, I said things were gonna get interesting this year...
I like Jenny Lynn...a lot. But I have to admit, she...got....LUCKY! Her physique was good, but it wasn't as impressive as last year to me. However, Jenny had to have really screwed up to lost her title, and she didn't do that. She won't be so lucky next year, bet on it!
Like many others, I was saddened and pissed that Monica Brant was out of the top six as well as Valerie. I'm not gonna cry like a wuss due to that. Val will get her chance to shine one day. I'd wish Mo would get her chance as well.
There ya go...my take on it. As always, you can bash me now...
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Well if you look at Gina Allioti's web site you see her in a picture with Sonia Adcock.Its not hard to figure out why she got 3rd. Just look at their Manager
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Well if you look at Gina Allioti's web site you see her in a picture with Sonia Adcock.Its not hard to figure out why she got 3rd. Just look at their Manager
Ah welcome back assclown. This coming from the guy who said he saw Mary Lado and to watch out for her to win it all. ::)
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Personally I have to say I was impressed with the placings... This was probably the hardest Olympia for the judges, and not just in Figure but in Fitness and Men's as well. There are definitely new threats in all of these categories and the champs have to step it up a notch, or the Val's, Gina's, Kim's & Victor's will knock them off their thrones.
Sure everyone is always going to bitch and moan about why this person or that person didn't place higher, or that this person got a gift. However, this may be the first year on GetBig that the bitching and whining isn't out of control... basically after reading it all, everyone is fairly happy with placings and only flip-flopping a placing here or there it their rants. Of course there will always be the "assclown" that brings up management or supplement company affiliation but this truly is the first year that seems to be at a minimum (sorry for stealing your word Isaac).
Mary - was off
Gina - needs a little more maturity (very real threat though)
Val - needs consistency
Jenn - very impressive (definitely fills CPP's vacant slot)
Adela - true champion
Kim - needs to be fuller like the Arnold
Jay - softer on Friday but much improved Saturday which the scores reflect
Victor - a very serious threat
*NOTE* Very tough for anyone to hold peak conditioning over 2 days
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Lower body - especially from lower thigh downwards. She is just not in the same league when it comes to Jenny Lynns structure.
Regarding the above statement, do you any front/back pics of Jenny and Gina? I'd love to look at some comparisons. I'm not saying I disagree, but I'd like to see what you're referring to.
Legs and calves especially ...Gina has a slightly 'heavier' look [not bashing just commenting!] case in point:
(http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/9/10/4/f_legs1m_08cb545.jpg) (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/9/10/4/f_legs1m_08cb545.jpg&srv=img27)
(http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/9/10/4/f_legs2m_707e87d.jpg) (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/9/10/4/f_legs2m_707e87d.jpg&srv=img02)
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I agree with your point when looking at the photos of calves. Gina appears to have thicker ankles which reduce the taper on the calves. Having said that Gina has got her in quads IMO. Amanda looked amazing as well.
I like a definition in the shoulders in the top 5 competitors, my only gripe was that the judges at the Arnold told the girls to tone it down and look softer, and IMO they reverted back to a previous standard. IMO, let's keep this standard and have the girls come in ripped at all the contests, including the Arnold.
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Can someone put up a photo to compare the top three in figure competitors as far as legs and calves. Where does Sonya weigh in on this one? :-X
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Figure placings=All bullshit politics.
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My top 3, in no particular order:
Gina Aliotti
Amanda Savell
Jennifer Gates
The gauntlet has been thrown down.
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no V-Dubs Tre?? :o
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Is Mary still working with Chad for her contest prep?