and for you to say not train things you dont need is retarded and this is why IF you did train you would become one dimensional...
and for your last thread that said leg locks arent worth crap guess someone should of told arlovski that, to name one ;)
Maybe you should do some MMA style cardio.
oh brotha here we go again. bluto the last thread got deleted b/c of all the bashin on you and now you want to start it again? for the last time give up the leglock example........ the point was in MMA you train everything including sub defense the point was jsut b/c a guy kicks the shit out of a bag and does a tma hes not doin mma....
this thread has already failed the moment you post it.
the only answer your goin to get is someone who trains in a multiple of arts to use what works..........
no where in the last thread did i say you had to do a leglock to b mma i said you have to train all aspects leg locks or not
give this up for hte last time.... your just goin to get flamed again
But that's where we disagree, you don't have to train all aspects, you can do very well without ever training a leg lock for example, in fact you probably would do BETTER without training leg locks.
Not having leg locks in your arsenal is one thing, but not training them is folly. I know a TON of shooto fighters who live off of leg locks. You'd better know them, so you can recognize them and defend them.
Tell that to Chuck Liddell. I'm sure he will start training it like crazy ::)
Funny you mention Chuck, he is a purple belt under John Lewis, and John as well as Dede love leg locks. Just because he doesn't show it in his game, doesn't mean he doesn't do it. I am starting to think you and RKBB are one and the same.
Why would he do it? Make no sense. That's like training headbutts on a regular bases.
You don't train it, per se. You see it while doing jits training. While rolling, if an opportunity presents itself, and the guy you roll with love leg locks, guess what you will see? Babalu loves them, you think they didn't gameplan a scenario with Chuck fighting off his back, scrambling, cage walking up to his feet to impose his will?
Sounds good to me. you DON'T train them.
That's the idea.
When Shinya Aoki did a seminar at our academy, he showed a plethora of ankle, foot locks. BJ Penn, Mayhem Miller, Charuto were eating that stuff up and catching people in it left and right soon after learning new variations.
There you go again with your endless namedropping.
The point is this - as a fighter every minute spent on training something useless could be spent on training something usefull.
Now who is being confrontational? It's okay, I have a life outside of getbig. I'll let you win. BTW, Bluto, weren't you the one who accused Chute of not being a REAL fan because he didn't attend EVERY UFC? If someone is in town, at the academy I train at who is a top notch fighter, instructor, if I can attend, you'd better believe I will. I mentioned BJ, Mayhem, Charuto because it is PERTENANT to the argument. These professional fighters thought it relevant enough to add some of Shinya's techniques to their arsenal, and were catching seminar attendees in them is simply an example of RELEVANCE. Pro fighters who don't have day jobs don't have to worry about driving from one place to another to learn from experts, hell if you are BJ, you can even fly them in to your academy and have them teach and train your stable of fighters. I bet Roger Huerta was glad he knew how to defend leg locks in his last fight.
Training leg locks isn't only a waste of time it also set you up for an unnecessary risk of injury (as you yourself mentioned numerous times) for someone, let's say Chuck Liddell to risk that would be a giant mistake, there's no doubt about it.
And that is why they don't allow white belts to do them in BJJ and sub grappling tournaments. I agree it is dangerous, but BJJ, MMA is about combat, and it is a legit technique, so as a martial artist, shouldn't it be in your arsenal?
There you go again with your endless namedropping.
The point is this - as a fighter every minute spent on training something useless could be spent on training something usefull.
you dont have to train a leglock to b mma
and guess what bluto if you where a fighter its guys like you who would get CAUGHT with something b/c they didnt train it. then after the match you would have to go back see what you did wrong and guess what, you would b training that specific thing to make sure it doesent happen again....
oh this is just pointless arguing with an arm chair warrior
There's always a possibility anyone would get caught at something, but you have to weigh that against the time it takes practicing (which could be used at strengthening more important part of your game), the slim chanceit would happen and the risk of injury practicing it in training.bluto anyone who trains ground game trains in subs and defense of subs. for someoen like you who doesent even fight or train to say leglocks are useless is just plain retarded. you dont seem to see just how bad and ignorant you make yourself look. your ignorance is doing nothing but driving this board into the ground. a board you have no clue about.
My guess is, after Chuck Liddells two recent losses his trainer didn't scream "Leg locks Chuck, we gotta work 'em leg locks!"
Doesn't change anything. My argument is rock solid still. I'm sure you can find footage of Chuck Liddell practising a number of Karate techniques, that he never has, and never will use in competition too - so what?b/c you yourself like the all knowing master you are said "chuck lidell wouldnt train leglocks, why woud he its a waste of time"
Hell, I'm sure we can find footage of Chuck in a bar armwrestling, but it won't be something he will have use of in the Octagon!
Training leg locks isn't only a waste of time it also set you up for an unnecessary risk of injury (as you yourself mentioned numerous times) for someone, let's say Chuck Liddell to risk that would be a giant mistake, there's no doubt about it.
There's always a possibility anyone would get caught at something, but you have to weigh that against the time it takes practicing (which could be used at strengthening more important part of your game), the slim chanceit would happen and the risk of injury practicing it in training.
My guess is, after Chuck Liddells two recent losses his trainer didn't scream "Leg locks Chuck, we gotta work 'em leg locks!"
b/c you yourself like the all knowing master you are said "chuck lidell wouldnt train leglocks, why woud he its a waste of time"
MMA just means a martial arts competition open to all styles.
To be succesful in MMA you need 1 good standup and 1 good ground art.
Some people say you need cross-training in like 5 different styles but that's bullshit.
Nobody becomes proficient in any style that way. Starting out you shouldn't train in more than 2 or 3 styles. Later, after you become proficient in those as a base, you can learn more.
Go with one proven standup art and a proven ground art.
-Muay-Thai
-Full-contact Karate
-Boxing
-Wrestling
-Judo
-Jiu-Jitsu
Also, don't neglect weight training.
People knock weight training, but that's because people that get into MMA are usually little guys with Napolean complexes that grew up watching Bruce Lee movies. This is true. Strength is very important in fighting.
Like I said finding footage of him training leg locks doesnt' tell us more than finding footage of him armwrestling or doing some funky Karate moves.no but finding 5 thousand pages of him telling what he trains and his trainer telling what he trains outside the cage does..
no but finding 5 thousand pages of him telling what he trains and his trainer telling what he trains outside the cage does..
like i said you made the dumbass statement "chuck lidell doseent train leg locks why would he? it would b a waste of time im sure of it"
and low and behold him and his trainer both say he prefferes leglocks on the ground so once again my friend you look like a dumbass "im sure of it" ;)
Prefer it to what? Armbars?thats the submisison he preffers to work, its well documented bottom line you look like a jackass........ everytime your so sure of something you get proven wrong and you still cant admit it.....
thats the submisison he preffers to work, its well documented bottom line you look like a jackass........ everytime your so sure of something you get proven wrong and you still cant admit it.....
anythign else you would like to tell us about top tier fighters and there training that your so sure of?
But then he doesn't use submissions as a method of winning so in the end it's kinda pointless, isn't it? Who really cares what he plays around with in practice? Surely it cannot be a big part of his routine, as that would waste his time and enhance the risk of injury.
As Bruce Lee said,
" Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless "
Hope this helps.
But then he doesn't use submissions as a method of winning so in the end it's kinda pointless, isn't it? Who really cares what he plays around with in practice? Surely it cannot be a big part of his routine, as that would waste his time and enhance the risk of injury.
As Bruce Lee said,
" Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless "
Hope this helps.
But then he doesn't use submissions as a method of winning so in the end it's kinda pointless, isn't it? Who really cares what he plays around with in practice? Surely it cannot be a big part of his routine, as that would waste his time and enhance the risk of injury.doesent matter read what YOU posted, i evne quoted it, you said chuck would not TRAIN leglocks cause it would b a waste of time and you where SURE OF IT
As Bruce Lee said,
" Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless "
Hope this helps.
Would it be useless if he was taken down to the ground and Babaloo tried to do a leg lock on him?
doesent matter read what YOU posted, i evne quoted it, you said chuck would not TRAIN leglocks cause it would b a waste of time and you where SURE OF IT
but he does TRAIN leglocks, that was your argument, now your tryin to change your argument to he doseent use it to win... make up your mind there buddy cause you are sliding way off what YOU said
I'm not sure he does, you claim he does. How much of his time does he devote to train leglocks? Would it even be enough to be considered "training" as in something that is a significant part of his routine?
If no - then I'm right.
If yes - then I'm wrong - he indeed trains it, but I'm still right with it being a bad decision.
Can you just not admit that you stuck your foot in your mouth. Jesus your not FUCKING RIGHT!!!!