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Torre said no the Yankees offer of a 1 year deal.
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no shit, I just heard like half hour ago he agreed to a 1 year deal and an option, there was supposed to be a 4 pm press conference
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no shit, I just heard like half hour ago he agreed to a 1 year deal and an option, there was supposed to be a 4 pm press conference
Just saw it on msn.com
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Give me Joey Girardi!!!!!
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Give me Joey Girardi!!!!!
I agree i think he'd be a good fit for you guys, he did a great job in Florida with basically very little talent
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I agree i think he'd be a good fit for you guys, he did a great job in Florida with basically very little talent
Your way to rational for the debates right now ;D
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Your way to rational for the debates right now ;D
your'e right, YANKEES SUCK, JETER'S A BITCH, AROD WEARS WOMENS PANTIES!!!
is that better ;D
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your'e right, YANKEES SUCK, JETER'S A BITCH, AROD WEARS WOMENS PANTIES!!!
is that better ;D
AAAAAHHHH!!! much better ;D
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And so the Yankees demise into mediocrity begins with the news that Torre will not be back for a 13th season. This team is really going to nosedive over the next few years. Expect Mariano Rivera to jump ship with him.
Cashman of the Yankees has already said that they will NOT negotiate with A-Rod if he opts out of his current contract. If Cashman falls back on his word, he'll never be taken seriously again when he makes a statement.
No way A-Rod is a Yankee next year. Why would he turn down the temptation of cashing in on another record contract that succeeds his first one in value with the Rangers??
I'm thinking him and his agent will shoot for a 7 or 8 year contract worth almost $300-$350 million. Another contract record. And with another opt-out clause after the 5th year.
No way Yankees will give him that money if he opts out. The Rangers are currently paying out the last of the current deal.
Welcome to cellar dweller status with the O's!
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Fuck the Yankees. Torre did the right thing. Those shitheads in the front office have been treating Torre like garbage for years...now it's time for him to say fuck you right back. Good for him.
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Fuck the Yankees. Torre did the right thing. Those shitheads in the front office have been treating Torre like garbage for years...now it's time for him to say fuck you right back. Good for him.
I agree who the hell wants to deal with a senile old man threatening your job every two weeks? Torre's a classy guy he'll obviously land on his feet, I'm just suprised he didn't do it earlier, he'd be a lame duck manager with a one year deal
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And so the Yankees demise into mediocrity begins with the news that Torre will not be back for a 13th season. This team is really going to nosedive over the next few years. Expect Mariano Rivera to jump ship with him.
Cashman of the Yankees has already said that they will NOT negotiate with A-Rod if he opts out of his current contract. If Cashman falls back on his word, he'll never be taken seriously again when he makes a statement.
No way A-Rod is a Yankee next year. Why would he turn down the temptation of cashing in on another record contract that succeeds his first one in value with the Rangers??
I'm thinking him and his agent will shoot for a 7 or 8 year contract worth almost $300-$350 million. Another contract record. And with another opt-out clause after the 5th year.
No way Yankees will give him that money if he opts out. The Rangers are currently paying out the last of the current deal.
Welcome to cellar dweller status with the O's!
Not so fast....
The Yankees organization will still pay top dollar to field the best talent available, with or without Torre.
I say give the job to Girardi, he's a young hungry guy.....Mattingly has waffled back and forth whether he even wants the job. And I personally don't think he could handle the pressure of managing in New York
PS I think the Yankees would be insane to give Mattingly his FIRST managing job on any level as the manager of the New York Yankees. He'd be in way over his head
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And so the Yankees demise into mediocrity begins with the news that Torre will not be back for a 13th season. This team is really going to nosedive over the next few years. Expect Mariano Rivera to jump ship with him.
Keep dreaming. The Yankees are have developed an amazing group of young players who will contribute in 2008 (13 players out of 25 from the farm at one point this year) and have the #5-6 farm system in the majors. Add it the money they can WISELY spend on FAs (now that Cashman's in charge) and they're only going to get better.
Cashman of the Yankees has already said that they will NOT negotiate with A-Rod if he opts out of his current contract. If Cashman falls back on his word, he'll never be taken seriously again when he makes a statement.
Cashman's definitely going to say this to give the Yankees leverage if ARod wants to stay a Yankee. That means if ARod does, he has to negotiate an extension before he hits FA and Boras uses the Yankees to drive the price up. It's a very smart move. If he doesn't want to stay with the Yankees, he would have left anyway.
No way A-Rod is a Yankee next year. Why would he turn down the temptation of cashing in on another record contract that succeeds his first one in value with the Rangers??
Maybe he plays for other things than the thrill of the the next big contract. Once you have all the money you need, you have the flexibility to pick other things. Most of the shit ARod catches is because of his origninal contract, If he opts out of the richest contract in sports for even more money, it will only grow.
I'm thinking him and his agent will shoot for a 7 or 8 year contract worth almost $300-$350 million. Another contract record. And with another opt-out clause after the 5th year.
That's an AAV of 43.75 million. Did you put ANY thought into that?
No way Yankees will give him that money if he opts out. The Rangers are currently paying out the last of the current deal.
Uh, that's what Cashman already said.
Welcome to cellar dweller status with the O's!
I agree that the Os will be in the cellar as long as the current ownership resides.
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Not so fast....
The Yankees organization will still pay top dollar to field the best talent available, with or without Torre.
I say give the job to Girardi, he's a young hungry guy.....Mattingly has waffled back and forth whether he even wants the job. And I personally don't think he could handle the pressure of managing in New York
A-rod puts asses in the seats. He's gone. So is Rivera, so is Posada. Giambi is a fricken bum now. Abreau is a joke in the outfield when he gets near a wall during a catch. Jeter is entering his mid 30's and might have to move to third base in a couple of years. What good is Damon as a two-way player these days?The Yankees are proof that can't always buy a championship with older, high price players. Now is the time they pay the price for that.
It is so fucking hard to get into the playoffs in the major leagues. Torre's record for doing that is impeccable. Only ignorant jerkoff NY fans say it's not enough unless you win the World series every year.
Torre's managerial impact on that team will be missed tremendously.
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A-rod puts asses in the seats. He's gone. So is Rivera, so is Posada. Giambi is a fricken bum now. Abreau is a joke in the outfield when he gets near a wall during a catch. Jeter is entering his mid 30's and might have to move to third base in a couple of years. What good is Damon as a two-way player these days?The Yankees are proof that can't always buy a championship with older, high price players. Now is the time they pay the price for that.
Wait, so you say that the Yanks can't win with older, high price players, but they're fucked if they lose a 38 year old high priced pitcher and a 36 year old high priced catcher? Make up your mind.
Anyway, I doubt they'll leave. Why would they - so they can go to a different team with a different manager? Yanks will pony up top $$ to retain them.
The Yankees will have three or four starters under 27 years old next year. Cano and Cabrerra are under 25. Jeter and ARod are still in their prime. They're getting younger, while keeping veterans who can still play.
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Wait, so you say that the Yanks can't win with older, high price players, but they're fucked if they lose a 38 year old high priced pitcher and a 36 year old high priced catcher? Make up your mind.
Anyway, I doubt they'll leave. Why would they - so they can go to a different team with a different manager? Yanks will pony up top $$ to retain them.
The Yankees will have three or four starters under 27 years old next year. Cano and Cabrerra are under 25. Jeter and ARod are still in their prime. They're getting younger, while keeping veterans who can still play.
Read my post carefully next time. I said that the Yankees were proof that you can't ALWAYS win with older, higher priced players. Buying a team, essentially. The Yankees have been doing it for awhile now. Their time has run out, in my opinion.
You also obviously haven't paying attention to the latest A-rod news. Brian Cashman stated PUBLICALLY that the Yankees WILL NOT negotiate with A-rod if he opts out of his current contract. A-rod is going to try to land another mega free agent deal elsewhere. The temptation will be too great to not land another record contract. A-rod will not be a Yankee in 2008 because he's more interested in chasing the almighty dollar this offseason.
Jeter is not in his prime at age 33. The playoff series against the Indians this year in particular, showed an obvious decline in his post-season production.
Put down the pipe, kid.
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A-rod puts asses in the seats. He's gone. So is Rivera, so is Posada. Giambi is a fricken bum now. Abreau is a joke in the outfield when he gets near a wall during a catch. Jeter is entering his mid 30's and might have to move to third base in a couple of years. What good is Damon as a two-way player these days?The Yankees are proof that can't always buy a championship with older, high price players. Now is the time they pay the price for that.
It is so fucking hard to get into the playoffs in the major leagues. Torre's record for doing that is impeccable. Only ignorant jerkoff NY fans say it's not enough unless you win the World series every year.
Torre's managerial impact on that team will be missed tremendously.
Rivera and Posada will be back.
Good riddance to Giambi.
Abreu is a good player, and if he goes he's replaceable, as is Giambi.
Damon had a great second half and was the only player who did anything in the playoffs. And again, he's a position player who is replaceable.
Jeter's OLD now? he's 33 and had his usual great year, Is he suddenly going to suck because you say so?
It's all about pitching, and the Yankees have gotten younger and better in that department, and there's no telling what will happen in the offseason as far as acquisitions and trades. The Yankees have a license
to print money and aren't shy about spending it
Don't be such a cock
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im glad torre turned them down, like someone else said, why the hell would he want to stay where his job is threatened constantly. fuck 'em
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Someone's head needs to role when a team can't win more then one game in the playoffs sitting on 230 million bones of payroll.
Not saying it's right.
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Torre was never going to take a ungarauntteed salary that wasnt 7 mill for two years.... He went down there to say thank you to George for the 12 years and the Boss told him "You will always be a Yankee".
Sometimes $$$ isnt everything....now if arod would smarten up...
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Rivera and Posada will be back.
Good riddance to Giambi.
Abreu is a good player, and if he goes he's replaceable, as is Giambi.
Damon had a great second half and was the only player who did anything in the playoffs. And again, he's a position player who is replaceable.
Jeter's OLD now? he's 33 and had his usual great year, Is he suddenly going to suck because you say so?
It's all about pitching, and the Yankees have gotten younger and better in that department, and there's no telling what will happen in the offseason as far as acquisitions and trades. The Yankees have a license
to print money and aren't shy about spending it
Don't be such a cock
Don't suck such so much cock.
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Keep dreaming. The Yankees are have developed an amazing group of young players who will contribute in 2008 (13 players out of 25 from the farm at one point this year) and have the #5-6 farm system in the majors. Add it the money they can WISELY spend on FAs (now that Cashman's in charge) and they're only going to get better.
Cashman's definitely going to say this to give the Yankees leverage if ARod wants to stay a Yankee. That means if ARod does, he has to negotiate an extension before he hits FA and Boras uses the Yankees to drive the price up. It's a very smart move. If he doesn't want to stay with the Yankees, he would have left anyway.
Maybe he plays for other things than the thrill of the the next big contract. Once you have all the money you need, you have the flexibility to pick other things. Most of the shit ARod catches is because of his origninal contract, If he opts out of the richest contract in sports for even more money, it will only grow.
That's an AAV of 43.75 million. Did you put ANY thought into that?
Uh, that's what Cashman already said.
I agree that the Os will be in the cellar as long as the current ownership resides.
Wow. You really put some time and effort into your response. I feel priviliged.
Do you understand the position that Cashman is in if goes against his word and negotiates with A-rod when he opts out? That means he can never be taken serious again we speaks to the media. He would develop a reputation for not being a man of his word. He would lose respect.
Additionally, is it really so far fetched to believe that A-rod could land a $300-$350 million contract??? I don't think it is all. He signed a $250 million contract already and that was over 5 years ago.
It's now the year 2007. Ever heard of inflation?
As far as A-rod's money goes....wow you sound naive with your responses.
Dude, it's NEVER enough money for a guy like A-rod. He's the highest paid player in baseball and he has the potential to surpass that. He won't turn down that opportunity.
And lastly, with Torre gone---the Yankess will nose dive. Managers like him don't grow on trees.
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Wow. You really put some time and effort into your response. I feel priviliged.
As opposed to you, who just pulls stuff out of his ass.
Do you understand the position that Cashman is in if goes against his word and negotiates with A-rod when he opts out? That means he can never be taken serious again we speaks to the media. He would develop a reputation for not being a man of his word. He would lose respect.
He's not going to. I don't know why you bring it up. Cashman's exercising the only leverage he has, basically telling ARod: "If you want to stay a Yankee, I'm giving you every option to do so. I just won't let other teams come in with higher offers to drive your price up. Conversely, we won't drive your price up for others if you want to leave".
Additionally, is it really so far fetched to believe that A-rod could land a $300-$350 million contract??? I don't think it is all. He signed a $250 million contract already and that was over 5 years ago.
It's now the year 2007. Ever heard of inflation? As far as A-rod's money goes....wow you sound naive with your responses.
Think about those numbers. I know it only takes one crazy GM, but think about it. I don't think there's many (if any) teams who are going to commit 30+ million a year to a guy whose last five years of a contract would finish the contract at ages 38-42. That's assuming a 10 year deal. An 8 year deal throws the AAV up to the 40M/year mark, which I just don't think is happening. The only team I can see MAYBE doing that is the Cubs, but their new ownership is not determined yet.
Dude, it's NEVER enough money for a guy like A-rod. He's the highest paid player in baseball and he has the potential to surpass that. He won't turn down that opportunity.
Maybe so. I'm thinking he won't get that money. If the Yankees guarantee him another 180-200M would going for 300 have any impact on his life whatsoever? But who knows, you could be right and he could be all about the money and nothing else.
And lastly, with Torre gone---the Yankess will nose dive. Managers like him don't grow on trees.
I loved Joe Torre. He was a great manager, especially with keeping a clubhouse in order. I don't think too many managers would be able to sit Damon and Giambi as much as he did and get away with it.
That being said, his on field management was suspect the last five years. His bullpen management was atrocious. His use of releivers cost the Yankees dearly in '03 and '04. He tended to stick with veterans and shun youth, unless it was forced upon him. We'll see what happens.
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Read my post carefully next time. I said that the Yankees were proof that you can't ALWAYS win with older, higher priced players. Buying a team, essentially. The Yankees have been doing it for awhile now. Their time has run out, in my opinion.
Price has nothing to do with anything. It's talent. You can win with older players if they put up the numbers that they have statisically throughout there careers.
Jeter is not in his prime at age 33. The playoff series against the Indians this year in particular, showed an obvious decline in his post-season production.
So we should judge Jeter's current state by the 20 or so at bats he had in one series? You might need to visit some sites to brush up on some things. I suggest baseballthinkfactory and the like.
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Dude, what-the-fuck-ever.
I meant higher priced talent, by the way.
What am I pulling out of my ass? Cashman has been QUOTED as saying that the Yankees won't negotiate. I didn't make it up. And you think Cashman's lying? Fuck leverage tactics. If he falls back on his word, his reputation will become shit.
Jeter is absolutely on the tail end of his prime at 33. I should have clarifed that I mean DEFENSIVELY, by the way.
What are you going to say when A-rod opts out and the Yankees don't sign him? You are delusional if you think the Yankees sign A-rod to a new money blockbuster contract. Remember, Texas is paying out the current deal. Furthermore, did you know that A-rod and his agent are going to ask for a percentage of the Yankees's TV contract if(when) he opts out?? You really Steinbrenner is going to go for that?
We'll see who's right in a short while...
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Dude, what-the-fuck-ever.
I meant higher priced talent, by the way.
I get that. I'm saying the price is irrelevant.
What am I pulling out of my ass?
Blanketed statements that the Yankees are fucked and that Rivera and Posada are definitely leaving.
Cashman has been QUOTED as saying that the Yankees won't negotiate. I didn't make it up. And you think Cashman's lying? Fuck leverage tactics. If he falls back on his word, his reputation will become shit.
I think this is our disconnect. I never denied he said this and I never denied they would follow through on it. I was just expalining why they did it. They've said the same thing since mid-summer, so I'm sure they mean it.
Jeter is absolutely on the tail end of his prime at 33. I should have clarifed that I mean DEFENSIVELY, by the way.
His OPS+ for 2007 was still in line with his career norms, so there's no indication that he's declining offensively. Defensively, I agree with you. His has horrible range to his left, and the gold gloves he won were a joke.
What are you going to say when A-rod opts out and the Yankees don't sign him? You are delusional if you think the Yankees sign A-rod to a new money blockbuster contract. Remember, Texas is paying out the current deal. Furthermore, did you know that A-rod and his agent are going to ask for a percentage of the Yankees's TV contract if(when) he opts out?? You really Steinbrenner is going to go for that?
The reason the Yankees are willing to do an extension and won't negotiate if he opts out is because they lose the Texas money. I'm well aware of this, and never denied it. I've heard all the posturing from Boras, but your statement is wrong. If he opts out, they won't request any TV, because the Yankees will be out of it. Maybe you're confusing opting out with an extension. Not sure. Boras may ask for TV shit if they negotiate an extension.