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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Sports Discussion Boards => Topic started by: columbusdude82 on October 29, 2007, 08:33:52 AM
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This friend of mine, a sophomore with a very good build but nothing out of the ordinary, wants to get on the juice. He says he wants a "powerful" physique, "functional strength" etc, but not to be a competitive bber.
I resisted the urge to lecture him about how sophomores really shouldn't be using steroids (unless they want to compete in some tough bbing contest for example), and especially not in this current climate.
He says he wants a physique like that of former Trojans fullback Brandon Hancock, and insists it can only be achieved with at least some drug use. I tried unsuccessfully to convince him that he could build something along those lines without drugs.
Getbig has probably the most critical bunch of cynics of any forum, so what do you guys think of this physique: juiced or not?
(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/978540.1142809236296.0306brandonhancock.jpg)
(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/978387.1142801439453.Hancock)
(http://www.scott-o-rama.com/Coppermine/albums/userpics/10001/brandon%20hancock.jpg)
(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/978510.1142808463937.BrandonHancock.jpg)
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probably yes
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not necessarily at all. genetics are the most important factor. if your friend is nothing like hancock in terms of genetics theres no way you can say whether its achievable naturally or not.
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It is possible, but highly unlikely he built that physique without the assistance of anabolics.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM MMM :D
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huhhuh han cock.
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Hard to tell since many of the photos are him alone. The first photo he looks jacked, like he could be The Thing in the Fantastic Four. The other photos look like he's decently sized and ripped from hard work in the gym and on the field. There is not really a good example of him compared next to someone like Ronnie Coleman size.
Given that he's a football player, I'm going to say he's definitely doing something due to the nature of the sport today.
I'm going to guess the friend you speak of, is a sophomore in college and not high school? If it's the latter, he CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT take anything for reasons too numerous to list. And it's the former, it's up to him, but I would try to lead him away from using as a means to get huge. Tell him it's possible that Hancock looks huge, but compared next to someone else he might be tiny. Remember Chick's saying: "It's not how much you lift, it's how much you look like you lift!"
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Yes sophomore in college. He's also a pretty strong dude compared to most sophomores, eg benches 315 for reps, deadlifts in the upper 300's, etc.. but his physique is smaller than he would like.
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but his physique is smaller than he would like.
Fuck, even Tom Prince weighing 312lbs @ 5'7" or so, was asked how he felt compared to a normal person, and he said he still felt small.
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been on the gas sense he was 19
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Yes sophomore in college. He's also a pretty strong dude compared to most sophomores, eg benches 315 for reps, deadlifts in the upper 300's, etc.. but his physique is smaller than he would like.
upper 300's deadlift....my Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes sophomore in college. He's also a pretty strong dude compared to most sophomores, eg benches 315 for reps, deadlifts in the upper 300's, etc.. but his physique is smaller than he would like.
benches 315 for reps but only deadlifts upper 300's
sounds fishy to me.....
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maybe he don't like training back, maxx.
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i belive that he is talking about his friend not hancock..
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i belive that he is talking about his friend not hancock..
who cares.
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Tell him to stay off the anabolics until he's out of school.
A little GH won't hurt, but tell him to stay away from anything else for now.
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heavy deadlifts doesnt do it for him.
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Squadfather, yes I know what you mean, but you know how college kids overdo the bench, at the expense of other body parts especially legs.
When I'm squatting they're benching.
When I'm doing back they're benching.
When I'm benching they're benching.
Every 19-20 year old guy goes through that phase of focusing heavily on bench.
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maybe they want a big chest?
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brandon has some pretty big and somewhat bloated cut up abs. that should cause a few alarm bells to the more discerning.
your friend is right, brandon is on shit.
let you in on a secret, every pro football player lives and breathes for a multi million dollar contract. each and every single one of them will do anything to get there. taking their vitamins is not even a second thought. ;)
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Brandon Iron?
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This friend of mine, a sophomore with a very good build but nothing out of the ordinary, wants to get on the juice. He says he wants a "powerful" physique, "functional strength" etc, but not to be a competitive bber.
I resisted the urge to lecture him about how sophomores really shouldn't be using steroids (unless they want to compete in some tough bbing contest for example), and especially not in this current climate.
He says he wants a physique like that of former Trojans fullback Brandon Hancock, and insists it can only be achieved with at least some drug use. I tried unsuccessfully to convince him that he could build something along those lines without drugs.
Getbig has probably the most critical bunch of cynics of any forum, so what do you guys think of this physique: juiced or not?
You're a sucker if you think he's natural! ::)
I love college football, but nowadays with the money/draft on the line, they'd be doing themselves a disservice NOT to be on it. There are a lot more NAACP players on it than you might think....really :o
And I know we all want to idolize the trojans....but they're humans too and require assistance ;D
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Have you seen the USC Gladiators poster? He (along with quite a few of them) look hot.
Lisa
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You're a sucker if you think he's natural! ::)
I love college football, but nowadays with the money/draft on the line, they'd be doing themselves a disservice NOT to be on it. There are a lot more NAACP players on it than you might think....really :o
And I know we all want to idolize the trojans....but they're humans too and require assistance ;D
Not at Ohio State 8)
Coach Tressel's boys don't need no steroids!
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Not at Ohio State 8)
Coach Tressel's boys don't need no steroids!
;D
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I thought they did random drug testing.
Lisa
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Not at Ohio State 8)
Coach Tressel's boys don't need no steroids!
coach tressel. is that a real guy or cast member from revenge of the nerds or something?
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I thought they did random drug testing.
Lisa
they do, but they get an instruction booklet (with big letters and pics) on how to beat the test sent to them prior to the test. ;)
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shittn me right...this dude hancock is nothin i havent seen in college on or off the field. I had a good friend at usc kori dickerson and aother guy daniel urquhart who played at usc (lb and FB/TE) and as redshirt freshmen they looked better than hancock. Bigger more cut with good lines. No drugs at all. It aint that hard. Lift and eat. Jesus h christ
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shittn me right...this dude hancock is nothin i havent seen in college on or off the field. I had a good friend at usc kori dickerson and aother guy daniel urquhart who played at usc (lb and FB/TE) and as redshirt freshmen they looked better than hancock. Bigger more cut with good lines. No drugs at all. It aint that hard. Lift and eat. Jesus h christ
Thank you Big Mal.
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I thought they did random drug testing.
Lisa
Technically yes...but that's more for the fans to sleep better at night.
It's not really random, for some reason the big play makers don't get tested....and it's far from "random" especially at the big name schools where millions are made on seats/clothing/sponsors etc.
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He looks natural here :-X
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:169n6J9daHpEYM:http://www.queerclick.com/images/ndm_brandon.jpg)
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upper 300's deadlift....my Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHHA you caught it before I did! He must play club ball for a community college....those numbers are shit for a college player! Your average college ball player for a top end school pulls around 600-700, benches 400-500, and squats 600-800lbs. Those are the numbers I've gotten from a few friends that play ball here in texas and oklahoma. My friend big rudy benches 455. squats 725, and pulls 705 all raw no gear at all what so ever. Not even a belt and he's in the lower end of the offensive line strength wise an. Remember now too..college is so fucking tight on supplements even now that you can't even have caffiene in yoru system around here. If you test for abnormal amounts of caffiene you're off the team. Crazy huh?!
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HAHHA you caught it before I did! He must play club ball for a community college....those numbers are shit for a college player! Your average college ball player for a top end school pulls around 600-700, benches 400-500, and squats 600-800lbs. Those are the numbers I've gotten from a few friends that play ball here in texas and oklahoma. My friend big rudy benches 455. squats 725, and pulls 705 all raw no gear at all what so ever. Not even a belt and he's in the lower end of the offensive line strength wise an. Remember now too..college is so fucking tight on supplements even now that you can't even have caffiene in yoru system around here. If you test for abnormal amounts of caffiene you're off the team. Crazy huh?!
not exactly, maybe the strongest o lineman and d lineman and a couple ofLBS..but you would be suprised how lttle wight the majoity do...But let me tell you who was a freak of nature when i saw them in the weight room. Carson Palmer. Yep the QB for the Bengals...Dude it waslike 1999 and i remember he had just changed his number to 3 from number 15. But anyway. I had a track meet at usc when i was in high school and i wondered down to the weight room after my event. I saw this big ass white dude and i swore he was a tight end. But his shorts said number 3 so i was like "dude that cant be carson palmer". this guy was dead clean and jerkin like 3 or 4 plates and a quarter like it was totally nothing. He was literally playing with the weight. Also On the wall where it has the record for bench press and shit (which jr seau still holds at usc with something like 540lbs) he was up there with something like 405. and thats a qb. He looked like a D-end when he was in college
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I'm not going to say that this kid is natural or not, but you do have to remember something. These kids playing D1 football at schools like USC, Ohio State, Texas...etc are at the top of the gene pool when it comes to athleticism. When you think of Ronnie Coleman for example, you probabley think of the most genetically blessed bodybuilder in the history of the sport. You then have to remember that Ronnie Coleman was a backup defensive player at a division 1-AA school. Not anywhere near the level these kids from top 10 Division 1 schools are at. But then again, maybe it's the drugs that seperate them all ;D ;D
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HAHHA you caught it before I did! He must play club ball for a community college....those numbers are shit for a college player! Your average college ball player for a top end school pulls around 600-700, benches 400-500, and squats 600-800lbs. Those are the numbers I've gotten from a few friends that play ball here in texas and oklahoma. My friend big rudy benches 455. squats 725, and pulls 705 all raw no gear at all what so ever. Not even a belt and he's in the lower end of the offensive line strength wise an. Remember now too..college is so fucking tight on supplements even now that you can't even have caffiene in yoru system around here. If you test for abnormal amounts of caffiene you're off the team. Crazy huh?!
bullshit.
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HAHHA you caught it before I did! He must play club ball for a community college....those numbers are shit for a college player! Your average college ball player for a top end school pulls around 600-700, benches 400-500, and squats 600-800lbs. Those are the numbers I've gotten from a few friends that play ball here in texas and oklahoma. My friend big rudy benches 455. squats 725, and pulls 705 all raw no gear at all what so ever. Not even a belt and he's in the lower end of the offensive line strength wise an. Remember now too..college is so fucking tight on supplements even now that you can't even have caffiene in yoru system around here. If you test for abnormal amounts of caffiene you're off the team. Crazy huh?!
you lie about everything dont you. dickhead
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HAHHA you caught it before I did! He must play club ball for a community college....those numbers are shit for a college player! Your average college ball player for a top end school pulls around 600-700, benches 400-500, and squats 600-800lbs. Those are the numbers I've gotten from a few friends that play ball here in texas and oklahoma. My friend big rudy benches 455. squats 725, and pulls 705 all raw no gear at all what so ever. Not even a belt and he's in the lower end of the offensive line strength wise an. Remember now too..college is so fucking tight on supplements even now that you can't even have caffiene in yoru system around here. If you test for abnormal amounts of caffiene you're off the team. Crazy huh?!
average college ball player. ;D could you be any more full of shit, seriously?
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Juiced up for sure.
8)
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Getbig has probably the most critical bunch of cynics of any forum, so what do you guys think of this physique: juiced or not?
Juiced.
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if that guy isnt on gear then i and everyone i have ever known must have the world's shittiest genetics....about as natural as a hetrosexual male finding female bodybuilders attractive
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if that guy isnt on gear then i and everyone i have ever known must have the world's shittiest genetics....about as natural as a hetrosexual male finding female bodybuilders attractive
gayer than getting swept in the World Series.
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not exactly, maybe the strongest o lineman and d lineman and a couple ofLBS..but you would be suprised how lttle wight the majoity do...But let me tell you who was a freak of nature when i saw them in the weight room. Carson Palmer. Yep the QB for the Bengals...Dude it waslike 1999 and i remember he had just changed his number to 3 from number 15. But anyway. I had a track meet at usc when i was in high school and i wondered down to the weight room after my event. I saw this big ass white dude and i swore he was a tight end. But his shorts said number 3 so i was like "dude that cant be carson palmer". this guy was dead clean and jerkin like 3 or 4 plates and a quarter like it was totally nothing. He was literally playing with the weight. Also On the wall where it has the record for bench press and shit (which jr seau still holds at usc with something like 540lbs) he was up there with something like 405. and thats a qb. He looked like a D-end when he was in college
I don't play ball so I'm just going by what he told me. And at some of the parties we went to...there are some big ass brothers playing on that team and they tear that shit up! They all play on the line though and I wasn't going to question them...one wtf is the point and two...they're all big mother fuckers! ;D
I did go to a division wahtever ball game for AUSTIN college here in texas and all those guys aren't very impressive at all. I figured the higher end colleges or those that are known for football had soem beasts of some players! But no not all colleges.
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Your average college ball player for a top end school pulls around 600-700, benches 400-500, and squats 600-800lbs.
Those are the average numbers for D-1 high major lineman. These guys have the best genetics, thats why they are recruited and on scholarship. Lots of naturally huge, really strong guys-BUT, also lots of juice-especially the BCS conference schools. They take the raw material good frame, 6-5 kid who was a TE/LB/FB in high school but is too slow to play that position in the bigten, sec etc-they get him on the juice, a kid i grew up with was pressured to get on the juice by a bigten school.
The guys physique is obtainable naturally, with good genetics-but its hard to say, so many of these guys are on a cycle.
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Those are the average numbers for D-1 high major lineman. These guys have the best genetics, thats why they are recruited and on scholarship. Lots of naturally huge, really strong guys-BUT, also lots of juice-especially the BCS conference schools. They take the raw material good frame, 6-5 kid who was a TE/LB/FB in high school but is too slow to play that position in the bigten, sec etc-they get him on the juice, a kid i grew up with was pressured to get on the juice by a bigten school.
The guys physique is obtainable naturally, with good genetics-but its hard to say, so many of these guys are on a cycle.
hahahahha, no fuccking way is a 700 pound deadlift, a 500 pound bench and a 700-800 pound squat avaerage lifts even for an NFL LINEMAN let alone a D1 lineman.
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Your average college ball player for a top end school pulls around 600-700, benches 400-500, and squats 600-800lbs.
For the SEC, Bigten, Big 12 etc........a 600 deadlift, a 400 bench and a 600 squat are pretty much average for junior/senior offensive and defensive lineman. If you go to the top end of that scale 500 bench, 800 squat, 700 deadlift-that is probably tops on the team. I follow the numbers of what players do at a couple of programs and also have an idea from when i was in college. Also you can get the lift #'s around NFL draft time.
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I heard that there's no steroid testing for red-shirt freshmen,anybody know about this?
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I heard that there's no steroid testing for red-shirt freshmen,anybody know about this?
no they aren't tested at all the entire season. nor are players tested in the off season. but when training camp starts testing comes pretty frequently. its usually at like 5 am. not sure why but Its like 5 different guys a week. but the whole active team gets tested once a year.
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no they aren't tested at all the entire season. nor are players tested in the off season. but when training camp starts testing comes pretty frequently. its usually at like 5 am. not sure why but Its like 5 different guys a week. but the whole active team gets tested once a year.
I'd imagine that Test Suspension or another short acting ester would help in this situation and I know D1 athletes who know about their tests. Also, Cheque Drops would help before and during competition. They clear the system pretty quickly from what I know. Add the fact that the NCAA never publicly announces doping violations and is more corrupt than the MLB and NFL. When I see linemen with sit injects in their triceps and guys blow up the way they do, there is something more to it.
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I'd imagine that Test Suspension or another short acting ester would help in this situation and I know D1 athletes who know about their tests. Also, Cheque Drops would help before and during competition. They clear the system pretty quickly from what I know. Add the fact that the NCAA never publicly announces doping violations and is more corrupt than the MLB and NFL. When I see linemen with sit injects in their triceps and guys blow up the way they do, there is something more to it.
most definatley. I used to find out 2 days before the test. its officially like the practice before we know that we have a test the next morning. so there are like so many ways to prepare for those tests.