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proper way to use the hormone sustanon,,
250lb+ competetive and pro circuit 2 amps a day
200lb competetive 1 amp a day
180-200lb want to be competetive 1 amp every second day
an amp every 4 days is good for maintanence purposes and prep
most national level and state champs will go for 1ampole a day ,,locals 1 amp every second day
also you asked about why you dont feel as jacked as with test enantat,,the answer is sust need to build up it is rather uniqe group of ester release,,most lifters will feel the sustanon after 10-14 days,,it is not as immidiate as testosterone enantat although you would think it is because of short esters but not so,,the whole build up takes more time and while with testosterone enanthat 250 you will be horny and feel jacked and strong after 5-7 days ...with sustanon it will take 10 days in the typical lifter and if you use only 2 amps a week it might even take 20 days,,
if no stamina happen past the third week you have fake or very underdosed product
again sustanon and its relatives will only start giving you test feel past the 10th day,,so no you dont have fake hormone if you didnt feel much after 5 days,,
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gh15,
if trying to eliminate bloat/water weight (i.e. prep mode) what should one use sust or enan? (assuming no other test ester is available)
thanks
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proper way to use the hormone sustanon,,
250lb+ competetive and pro circuit 2 amps a day
200lb competetive 1 amp a day
180-200lb want to be competetive 1 amp every second day
an amp every 4 days is good for maintanence purposes and prep
most national level and state champs will go for 1ampole a day ,,locals 1 amp every second day
also you asked about why you dont feel as jacked as with test enantat,,the answer is sust need to build up it is rather uniqe group of ester release,,most lifters will feel the sustanon after 10-14 days,,it is not as immidiate as testosterone enantat although you would think it is because of short esters but not so,,the whole build up takes more time and while with testosterone enanthat 250 you will be horny and feel jacked and strong after 5-7 days ...with sustanon it will take 10 days in the typical lifter and if you use only 2 amps a week it might even take 20 days,,
if no stamina happen past the third week you have fake or very underdosed product
again sustanon and its relatives will only start giving you test feel past the 10th day,,so no you dont have fake hormone if you didnt feel much after 5 days,,
That is not the priper way that is your way.
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gh15,
if trying to eliminate bloat/water weight (i.e. prep mode) what should one use sust or enan? (assuming no other test ester is available)
thanks
can use both,,enantat should be injectyed less frequiently when prep comparing to sust but it all depends on frequency of inject
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That is not the priper way that is your way.
it is propper way for bodybuilder,,both natural bodybuilder and hormonized
durateston every single day 1 ampole is quite favorite among plenty of naturals that hold world titles
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proper way to use the hormone sustanon,,
250lb+ competetive and pro circuit 2 amps a day
200lb competetive 1 amp a day
180-200lb want to be competetive 1 amp every second day
an amp every 4 days is good for maintanence purposes and prep
most national level and state champs will go for 1ampole a day ,,locals 1 amp every second day
also you asked about why you dont feel as jacked as with test enantat,,the answer is sust need to build up it is rather uniqe group of ester release,,most lifters will feel the sustanon after 10-14 days,,it is not as immidiate as testosterone enantat although you would think it is because of short esters but not so,,the whole build up takes more time and while with testosterone enanthat 250 you will be horny and feel jacked and strong after 5-7 days ...with sustanon it will take 10 days in the typical lifter and if you use only 2 amps a week it might even take 20 days,,
if no stamina happen past the third week you have fake or very underdosed product
again sustanon and its relatives will only start giving you test feel past the 10th day,,so no you dont have fake hormone if you didnt feel much after 5 days,,
2 amps a day?! So that's 3500 mg a test a week? And are you to stack that with something else? That sounds ridiculously high.
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hey GH do you remember a few years ago the Schering Primoteston 1cc ampules, what did you think of those bad boys?
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2 amps a day?! So that's 3500 mg a test a week? And are you to stack that with something else? That sounds ridiculously high.
yes 2 ampoles a day whats so wrong with that? how else can you hld 270lb on stage? hell how can you even hold 250lb on stage on less than 2 ampoles a day at a height of 5'9
the guys who compete at 200-220lb can get by using an ampole a day or an ampole every other day if doing nothing but resting and bodybuild,,anything over on stage and it is in the 1.5-4 gram range of testosterone only!
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can use both,,enantat should be injectyed less frequiently when prep comparing to sust but it all depends on frequency of inject
gh 15 I would like you to overview the biosynthesis , transport, metabolism and nongenomic action of the Testosterone. Then show me references regarding your sugestions.
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2 amps a day?! So that's 3500 mg a test a week? And are you to stack that with something else? That sounds ridiculously high.
haha... and your hero is nasser??
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hey GH do you remember a few years ago the Schering Primoteston 1cc ampules, what did you think of those bad boys?
yes ,,very good,,
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yes ,,very good,,
best cycle i've ever done, i have wet dreams of those ampules, we were paying 20 bucks per amp even then.
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gh 15 I would like you to overview the biosynthesis , transport, metabolism and nongenomic action of the Testosterone. Then show me references regarding your sugestions.
thats not my field this is massive g feild or antonys field or god knows whow field,,i tell you from hand on experience what it takes to mainain or increase size from year to year or in other words what it takes to be competetive and win an ifbb pro show or in this day and time a national show in every country around th world,,
maybe in afganistan you will be able to get by using 2 ampoles a week of sustanon ,,not even there since they get everything from karachi they inject it more than anyone else
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hey gh15,
while you are here. there was a discussion on the steroid board about the importance of cutting drugs vs. bulking drugs.
basically it was saying that anyone can get into contest ready conditioning using traditionaly "bulking" drugs (test, deca, dbol, anadrol) with the key being diet and taking proper anti-e's. while more exotic drugs are not that crucial to the equation (halo, winny, primo, tren, etc. etc...)
what do you say?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=105619.0 (this is the thread)
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you guys retarded? there's a steroid board
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thats not my field this is massive g feild or antonys field or god knows whow field,,i tell you from hand on experience what it takes to mainain or increase size from year to year or in other words what it takes to be competetive and win an ifbb pro show or in this day and time a national show in every country around th world,,
maybe in afganistan you will be able to get by using 2 ampoles a week of sustanon ,,not even there since they get everything from karachi they inject it more than anyone else
I know is not your field that why you don't know what you talking about. I hope no body takes your advise.
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I know is not your field that why you don't know what you talking about. I hope no body takes your advise.
shut up, that's like saying that since Jeff Gordon or Matt Kenseth don't know how to build an engine that they don't know what they're talking about when it comes to racing in Nascar.
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shut up, that's like saying that since Jeff Gordon or Matt Kenseth don't know how to build an engine that they don't know what they're talking about when it comes to racing in Nascar.
its like saying because ron jeremy or that guy that mods on the sex forum here can't write the college text on female sexual anatomy... so they must not know how to fuck some whors. ::)
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shut up, that's like saying that since Jeff Gordon or Matt Kenseth don't know how to build an engine that they don't know what they're talking about when it comes to racing in Nascar.
Than gh 15 should be a car mechanic.
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hey gh15,
while you are here. there was a discussion on the steroid board about the importance of cutting drugs vs. bulking drugs.
basically it was saying that anyone can get into contest ready conditioning using traditionaly "bulking" drugs (test, deca, dbol, anadrol) with the key being diet and taking proper anti-e's. while more exotic drugs are not that crucial to the equation (halo, winny, primo, tren, etc. etc...)
what do you say?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=105619.0 (this is the thread)
it all matter of diet but! there are hormones you can not take at high doses pre contest such as dianabol at 50-100mg it will make you soft and bloat and hold water ,,even 1lb of water wieigh can kill physiqe,,5lb of water weight can be the diff between first place 5 place in some cases
you diet can be as clean and as best as posssible but wrong hormones can always screw it up ,,so in general you can use most hormones to cut but avoid high doses of the dianabol and deca while cut or prep,,when i say high dose i mean 50mg + not 20mg,,can still cut very good with 20mg dianabol and deca at 200-400mg week
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I know is not your field that why you don't know what you talking about. I hope no body takes your advise.
School and science doesn't work in bodybuilding you stupid, dumb stubborn, fat, can't lift shit, ignorant retard. This is bodybuilding, 2 amps a day may not even cut it anymore. Don' ever come back to this board again. we are talking being the best in the world; you have to go hard otherwise you wil just end up being a delusional nothing in this sport.
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School and science doesn't work in bodybuilding you stupid, dumb stubborn, fat, can't lift shit, ignorant retard. This is bodybuilding, 2 amps a day may not even cut it anymore. Don' ever come back to this board again. we are talking being the best in the world; you have to go hard otherwise you wil just end up being a delusional nothing in this sport.
exactly, brutal truth.
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I know is not your field that why you don't know what you talking about. I hope no body takes your advise.
i told you alreasdyt 100 times on this board that books dont build a bodybuilder,,it is years of trial and error and learning the basics when it comes to hormonized of human being,,
see the problem with people like you is that you see an ounce of water on your 8% 187.5 lb physiqe and you think you get fat and out of shape while in reality this is the reason you will NEVER GROW AND WIN A TITLE IN BODYBUILDING
even zane used dosages at this range,,you do not improve if you dont try and change things,,if you always think ...oh i want to be like the way i looked in the summer with my 9% and 190lb..and you cant get it pass you that you need to go through 12% 210lb inorder to improve then you will never be a bodybuilder
the best bodybuilder is the one who knows what it takes from personal experience not what friend tell him or what he hear on internet ,,that is why i write in gossip and opinion to let you know what it takes in general but to leave it up to you to decide after you try ...or not
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School and science doesn't work in bodybuilding you stupid, dumb stubborn, fat, can't lift shit, ignorant retard. This is bodybuilding, 2 amps a day may not even cut it anymore. Don' ever come back to this board again. we are talking being the best in the world; you have to go hard otherwise you wil just end up being a delusional nothing in this sport.
Than I should start lifting weights, can you help with a workout routine?
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gh15, i thought test e kicks in at about week 4-5, am i wrong?
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ur right gh15..
what do u think of advanced stealth and axio....ug shit???????/
thanks
one
i told you alreasdyt 100 times on this board that books dont build a bodybuilder,,it is years of trial and error and learning the basics when it comes to hormonized of human being,,
see the problem with people like you is that you see an ounce of water on your 8% 187.5 lb physiqe and you think you get fat and out of shape while in reality this is the reason you will NEVER GROW AND WIN A TITLE IN BODYBUILDING
even zane used dosages at this range,,you do not improve if you dont try and change things,,if you always think ...oh i want to be like the way i looked in the summer with my 9% and 190lb..and you cant get it pass you that you need to go through 12% 210lb inorder to improve then you will never be a bodybuilder
the best bodybuilder is the one who knows what it takes from personal experience not what friend tell him or what he hear on internet ,,that is why i write in gossip and opinion to let you know what it takes in general but to leave it up to you to decide after you try ...or not
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gh15, i thought test e kicks in at about week 4-5, am i wrong?
gh15 where is the answer ?
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gh15 where is the answer ?
go play in traffic.
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gh15 where is the answer ?
Go take your one d bol a day and go study a book, then you might be a bodybuilder
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gh15, i thought test e kicks in at about week 4-5, am i wrong?
by week 5 on testosterone enantat you should be already feeling and looking swole from head to toe unless cutting which in this case you also should look fuler hard and cut to a very noticable level in comparson to the before you,,
5 weeks is long time for testosterone enantat,,,week 1-2 you should feel it and feel strength up and hunger up,,week 5 you should fuck like a mad man with girlfriend and see the improvment
susta take longer since you want to bring the blood up to levels needed,,despite the prop ester since most people do not work right with sust as a bodybuilder and do not inject it often enough ,,so to them it takes longer to build it up,,if injected often enough you will not have problem
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ur right gh15..
what do u think of advanced stealth and axio....ug shit???????/
thanks
one
yes underground but international underground in places where hormones are legal and not controlled so products should be ok,,the emphesize is on ok since as i always say with underground you never know what you get
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hey GH what amounts of UG stuff is comparable on a per CC basis to the good human labs like Upjohn, Organon, Schering, Unimed, etc., like 250mg. of Legit stuff= what mg. of UG stuff?
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i dont know since underground labs from what i know that were in usa sold half the time fake and way underdosed hormones ,,sometimeswith products that were not even what they said they were but mainly way underdosed to a point of having a vial saying 250mg of testosterone and in reality you had in 25mg of testosteronne in the all vial,,so in this case you will need about 10 vials of the underground garbage to compare to one american pharma vial,,you just never know with underground,,many of the people behind underground are shady people with criminal back round ,,they would deal narcotics same as they deal hormones they dont give 2 shits about you and only want and aim at earning the most money in the shortest time possible,,all of them fall usually wether it is by goverment or by local crimes they commit ,,99% of them have criminal past and record and they are marked men due to other crimes
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Go take your one d bol a day and go study a book, then you might be a bodybuilder
I will do that .
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i dont know since underground labs from what i know that were in usa sold half the time fake and way underdosed hormones ,,sometimeswith products that were not even what they said they were but mainly way underdosed to a point of having a vial saying 250mg of testosterone and in reality you had in 25mg of testosteronne in the all vial,,so in this case you will need about 10 vials of the underground garbage to compare to one american pharma vial,,you just never know with underground,,many of the people behind underground are shady people with criminal back round ,,they would deal narcotics same as they deal hormones they dont give 2 shits about you and only want and aim at earning the most money in the shortest time possible,,all of them fall usually wether it is by goverment or by local crimes they commit ,,99% of them have criminal past and record and they are marked men due to other crimes
yep, it's a shame the way the business is these days, we need more guys like you over here in the US.
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whoah ..an amp per day and 2 amps per day..
this is a long acting mix of androgens with fast and long acting types...the brouchure itself shows that the longer acting types have half lives of more than 8 weeks!
for good gains even for large BBs 1 amp PER WEEK is all that is needed. Your regime is classic example of BBs not knowing what works as they have so much stuff in their systems and the only way they can tell is to take massive doses of everything as their bodies are so saturated the usual doses virtually do nothing.
For even the national level competitor, 2 amps per week of sust (we're talking 250) is plenty. if there is no "off period" during the year then nothing works in moderate dosages.
last i heard of, 4 amps of sust cost about $80 so at 2 amps per day thats darn expensive.
whats wrong with 9 months clean per year with a 3 month cycle consisting of 12 amps of sust, gh, anapolan and stanazolol. Guarantee 10+ lbs per year solid gains using just that..probably 30 lbs for the first year.
with 90% of it retained each year too.
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whoah ..an amp per day and 2 amps per day..
this is a long acting mix of androgens with fast and long acting types...the brouchure itself shows that the longer acting types have half lives of more than 8 weeks!
for good gains even for large BBs 1 amp PER WEEK is all that is needed. Your regime is classic example of BBs not knowing what works as they have so much stuff in their systems and the only way they can tell is to take massive doses of everything as their bodies are so saturated the usual doses virtually do nothing.
For even the national level competitor, 2 amps per week of sust (we're talking 250) is plenty. if there is no "off period" during the year then nothing works in moderate dosages.
last i heard of, 4 amps of sust cost about $80 so at 2 amps per day thats darn expensive.
whats wrong with 9 months clean per year with a 3 month cycle consisting of 12 amps of sust, gh, anapolan and stanazolol. Guarantee 10+ lbs per year solid gains using just that..probably 30 lbs for the first year.
with 90% of it retained each year too.
Thanks for the fairy tale.
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gh15, i thought test e kicks in at about week 4-5, am i wrong?
It takes 2 hr to 6 hr to reach maximun serum levels in the blood dipend on administration : orally, sublingually, intramuscular etc.. and you should fill stronger after 24 hr, size increase will dipend on how you train and eat. I herd this on the sobway from tow old ladies talking.
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whoah ..an amp per day and 2 amps per day..
this is a long acting mix of androgens with fast and long acting types...the brouchure itself shows that the longer acting types have half lives of more than 8 weeks!
for good gains even for large BBs 1 amp PER WEEK is all that is needed. Your regime is classic example of BBs not knowing what works as they have so much stuff in their systems and the only way they can tell is to take massive doses of everything as their bodies are so saturated the usual doses virtually do nothing.
For even the national level competitor, 2 amps per week of sust (we're talking 250) is plenty. if there is no "off period" during the year then nothing works in moderate dosages.
last i heard of, 4 amps of sust cost about $80 so at 2 amps per day thats darn expensive.
whats wrong with 9 months clean per year with a 3 month cycle consisting of 12 amps of sust, gh, anapolan and stanazolol. Guarantee 10+ lbs per year solid gains using just that..probably 30 lbs for the first year.
with 90% of it retained each year too.
1 amp a week is hrt doses that only good to maybe keep yuor sex drive and stamina in older age individual as in 40+,,those will also be prescribed testosterone enantat not susta ,,susta is a hormone though not specifically mentioned by organon..susta is a hormone that is designed for bodybuilding purposes and bodybuilding purposes only,,organon knows there are many bodybuilder and fitness fanatiks around the world and thus susta,,for hrt there is enantat and cyponate,,
now as i said 1 amp of susta will result in lsize gains for person who never touched hormones and is quite small to average size wize and its his first run with hormones in his life,,then what you say may be true also depening on nutrition and training
there is not even one single bodybuilder i know of that uses 1 amp susta a week,,not professional not amatuer not even naturals,,some female competoitpr take the susta ampole and break it to 2 inject a week but they are females and want to stay females but that is pretty much it
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It takes 2 hr to 6 hr to reach maximun serum levels in the blood dipend on administration : orally, sublingually, intramuscular etc.. and you should fill stronger after 24 hr, size increase will dipend on how you train and eat. I herd this on the sobway from tow old ladies talking.
NOT all testosterone is created equal and it takes time to build up a bodybuilding teraputic level compare to simply teraputic level,,,in any case you will get level of horminess and sex drive within 6 hours on test that is true because it doesnt take much,,,but to the average bodybuilder even that will be different with susta because the average bodybuilder come to begin with from a very high concentrations of test level in blood so any off time and back on take some time for a build up ,,sometimes even 10 days for sex drive to be back up at full
for greenies and the ones who cycle 2 month cycles which are not many in the top amatuer and pro level ..yes it will take 5 hours to get horny and want to jack off...but for the bodybuilder with experience take little longer on test enantat and even little longer than that on susta ,,should not be more than 10-14 days though,,
this is also the reason many take viagra cialis etc ,,pay attention who take it...the ones who are real competetive high level bodybuilders,,not all ofcourse but plenty
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thanks gh15
but why would UGs do this..as 1 g of test powder is like $2.... ;D ;D ;D...its very cheap right and they dont save
anything by underdosing.........
thanks
one
p.s. how come ur only in US evening time??..u usually come on late nijght................
i dont know since underground labs from what i know that were in usa sold half the time fake and way underdosed hormones ,,sometimeswith products that were not even what they said they were but mainly way underdosed to a point of having a vial saying 250mg of testosterone and in reality you had in 25mg of testosteronne in the all vial,,so in this case you will need about 10 vials of the underground garbage to compare to one american pharma vial,,you just never know with underground,,many of the people behind underground are shady people with criminal back round ,,they would deal narcotics same as they deal hormones they dont give 2 shits about you and only want and aim at earning the most money in the shortest time possible,,all of them fall usually wether it is by goverment or by local crimes they commit ,,99% of them have criminal past and record and they are marked men due to other crimes
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1 amp a week is hrt doses that only good to maybe keep yuor sex drive and stamina in older age individual as in 40+,,those will also be prescribed testosterone enantat not susta ,,susta is a hormone though not specifically mentioned by organon..susta is a hormone that is designed for bodybuilding purposes and bodybuilding purposes only,,organon knows there are many bodybuilder and fitness fanatiks around the world and thus susta,,for hrt there is enantat and cyponate,,
now as i said 1 amp of susta will result in lsize gains for person who never touched hormones and is quite small to average size wize and its his first run with hormones in his life,,then what you say may be true also depening on nutrition and training
there is not even one single bodybuilder i know of that uses 1 amp susta a week,,not professional not amatuer not even naturals,,some female competoitpr take the susta ampole and break it to 2 inject a week but they are females and want to stay females but that is pretty much it
That is a good one susta was designated for bbs
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It takes 2 hr to 6 hr to reach maximun serum levels in the blood dipend on administration : orally, sublingually, intramuscular etc.. and you should fill stronger after 24 hr, size increase will dipend on how you train and eat. I herd this on the sobway from tow old ladies talking.
well they're both wrong. Test suspension may get you results that fast.
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well they're both wrong. Test suspension may get you results that fast.
So you telling me that Dr.Nieschlag,E from University of Munster, Germany, Meikle, W.A from University of Utah Medical School, Randall, V.A from University of Bradford, United Kingdom etc... thy all wrong.
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last i heard of, 4 amps of sust cost about $80 so at 2 amps per day thats darn expensive.
Ouch!! Whoever is paying that deserves a ring from their supplier or an arrest cause DAMN someone is getting raped!!!! lololol...4 amps for $80?? Maybe if you are 4th or 5th generation...I've never paid more than 4.00 per amp. for sust. If there out of Pakistan, even cheaper.
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mate in australia were paying 25 to 40 dollars and amp. thats why i refuse to buy steroids from here lol
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2 amps a day?! So that's 3500 mg a test a week? And are you to stack that with something else? That sounds ridiculously high.
Monster irony.
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gh15 due to the unstable levels the sust causes would this be bad for the acne prone?
Would test e be a better choice in this regard?
Thanks
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mate in australia were paying 25 to 40 dollars and amp. thats why i refuse to buy steroids from here lol
Ouch...sorry to hear that...Crazy...I live in the US
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Hey gh15, did you see the new news story reporting that they're figuring they've got 30-40 THOUSAND individual steroid users in the US right now based on all the customer information and credit card receipts they gathered during Operation Raw Deal? You estimated yourself to know of at least 10,000 users, which you approximated could easily account for the whole fitness industry, which you essentially defined as anyone registered as a user on any bodybuilding or steroid board out there. Looks like there's even more. Seriously, if there are 40,000 users in the US right now on steroids then just go ahead and assume that anyone you've ever seen looking like anything has used or is using them.
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Hey gh15, did you see the new news story reporting that they're figuring they've got 30-40 THOUSAND individual steroid users in the US right now based on all the customer information and credit card receipts they gathered during Operation Raw Deal? You estimated yourself to know of at least 10,000 users, which you approximated could easily account for the whole fitness industry, which you essentially defined as anyone registered as a user on any bodybuilding or steroid board out there. Looks like there's even more. Seriously, if there are 40,000 users in the US right now on steroids then just go ahead and assume that anyone you've ever seen looking like anything has used or is using them.
Credit Card receipts...yikes...30-40K people couldn't just put the work in and network with the right people in person...I can't believe that many people weren't thinking "hmmm, this might be a bad idea using my credit card" lolol
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"After a recent series of raids uncovered illegally produced steroids by the barrel full, ABC News has learned that the alleged underground labs might have had as many as 30,000 to 40,000 customers.
The Drug Enforcement Administration says it has identified those alleged clients of the thriving multi-million-dollar black market industry through e-mails and credit card purchase records obtained during the course of the investigation."
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/FedCrimes/story?id=3802782&page=1
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"After a recent series of raids uncovered illegally produced steroids by the barrel full, ABC News has learned that the alleged underground labs might have had as many as 30,000 to 40,000 customers.
The Drug Enforcement Administration says it has identified those alleged clients of the thriving multi-million-dollar black market industry through e-mails and credit card purchase records obtained during the course of the investigation."
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/FedCrimes/story?id=3802782&page=1
F*cking crazy......is it being lazy?....Western Union?? Money Gram??...how the hell can you give your CC and not do the math down the road if shit goes south??.....I hate to be a cock, but damn, you get what you pay for...
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F*cking crazy......is it being lazy?....Western Union?? Money Gram??...how the hell can you give your CC and not do the math down the road if shit goes south??.....I hate to be a cock, but damn, you get what you pay for...
Well with 40,000 people doing it I doubt they'll even try doing shit to any of them now.
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So you telling me that Dr.Nieschlag,E from University of Munster, Germany, Meikle, W.A from University of Utah Medical School, Randall, V.A from University of Bradford, United Kingdom etc... thy all wrong.
Post the specific reference. All data I've seen shows that IM testosterone esters like Enanthate peak at around 24-48h.
Edit, this is what the blood levels look like after a single injection so it basically peaks after a day
(http://www.medibolics.com/images/frequenc.jpg)
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Post the specific reference. All data I've seen shows that IM testosterone esters like Enanthate peak at around 24-48h.
Anybody that's done it can tell you that.
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Post the specific reference. All data I've seen shows that IM testosterone esters like Enanthate peak at around 24-48h.
17a-methyltestosterone is quickly absorbed and maximal blood levels are obserced 90 to 120 minutes after ingestion. The half-life in blood amounts to approximately 150 minutes (Alkalay et al.1973)
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17a-methyltestosterone is quickly absorbed and maximal blood levels are obserced 90 to 120 minutes after ingestion. The half-life in blood amounts to approximately 150 minutes (Alkalay et al.1973)
What does this have to do with this thread? That's a completely different AAS hormone! It's NOT testosterone despite the 'testosterone' in the nomenclature. It is also oral. Guys are discussing injectable testosterone esters here.
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What does this have to do with this thread? That's a completely different AAS hormone! It's NOT testosterone despite the 'testosterone' in the nomenclature. It is also oral. Guys are discussing injectable testosterone esters here.
He can't keep up bro. I take back everything I ever said about him in the Alex A thread.
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What does this have to do with this thread? That's a completely different AAS hormone! It's NOT testosterone despite the 'testosterone' in the nomenclature. It is also oral. Guys are discussing injectable testosterone esters here.
M
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See, this guy's borderline retarded.
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See, this guy's borderline retarded.
LOL what the hell does he mean by 'M' :D
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What does this have to do with this thread? That's a completely different AAS hormone! It's NOT testosterone despite the 'testosterone' in the nomenclature. It is also oral. Guys are discussing injectable testosterone esters here.
My post was 2 to 6 hr dipend on what tip of test (orally, sublingually etc) I was not talking specifically on intramuscular.
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LOL what the hell does he mean by 'M' :D
I don't know man, but you're literally running circles around him here.
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My post was 2 to 6 hr dipend on what tip of test (orally, sublingually etc) I was not talking specifically on intramuscular.
Of course the most widely-used testosterone substitution therapy is intramuscular injection of testosterone esters.
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See, this guy's borderline retarded.
I am glad that I am only borderline.
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gh15,
if trying to eliminate bloat/water weight (i.e. prep mode) what should one use sust or enan? (assuming no other test ester is available)
thanks
the kid is full of shit
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I don't know man, but you're literally running circles around him here.
I was wlking not running.
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I was wlking not running.
Nah, you're crawling around on all fours, falling down on your head and shit.
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Van Bilderass do you know any updates on Testosterone buciclate, if yes can you PM to me.
Thanks.
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yes 2 ampoles a day whats so wrong with that? how else can you hld 270lb on stage? hell how can you even hold 250lb on stage on less than 2 ampoles a day at a height of 5'9
the guys who compete at 200-220lb can get by using an ampole a day or an ampole every other day if doing nothing but resting and bodybuild,,anything over on stage and it is in the 1.5-4 gram range of testosterone only!
I know people who compete at 200-220 lbs on 4 amps a week.
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I know people who compete at 200-220 lbs on 4 amps a week.
And what else, Bigbobs? 4 amps of test and what else?
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Van Bilderass do you know any updates on Testosterone buciclate, if yes can you PM to me.
Thanks.
Potential of testosterone buciclate for male contraception: endocrine differences between responders and nonresponders
HM Behre, S Baus, S Kliesch, C Keck, M Simoni and E Nieschlag
Institute of Reproductive Medicine of the University (WHO Collaborating Center for Research in Human Reproduction), Munster, Germany.
Suppression of serum LH and FSH, by testosterone (T) alone or in combination with other agents, has proved to be the most promising approach to male contraception. T enanthate, the only androgen preparation tested in male contraceptive efficacy trials so far, must be injected every week due to its short terminal elimination half-life of 4.5 days and leads to supraphysiological T serum levels. A new T ester synthesized under WHO and NIH auspices, testosterone buciclate (TB), showed a favorable pharmacokinetic profile, with a terminal half- life of 29.5 days when tested in hypogonadal men. Here we describe the results of the first clinical trial with TB for male contraception. After two control examinations, normal healthy male volunteers were given a single im injection of 600 mg TB (group I; n = 4) and 1200 mg TB (group II; n = 8) on day 0. Follow-up examinations were performed every 2 weeks up to week 32. In both groups mean serum T levels remained in the normal physiological range throughout the study course. Serum levels of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) showed a dose- and time- dependent increase, with serum levels slightly above the normal range in group II for several weeks and a maximal concentration of 3.8 +/- 0.5 nmol/L (mean +/- SE) in week 6. No suppression of spermatogenesis to oligozoospermia was observed in group I. However, in group II, spermatogenesis was suppressed to azoospermia in three of eight volunteers in week 10 that persisted up to weeks 14, 20, and 22, respectively. In these three men, LH and FSH were suppressed by TB injections to the respective assay detection limits, whereas in the other five subjects, mean serum levels were only decreased to values near the lower normal limit for LH and FSH, respectively. In addition, throughout the study course, a significant difference in serum sex hormone-binding globulin was detected between the responders (mean values, 21.2-26.4 nmol/L) and nonresponders (mean values, 36.2-46.3 nmol/L). Serum levels of LH as well as total and free T at baseline and after TB injection were lower in the responders than in the nonresponders. Both subgroups showed similar increases in serum LH and FSH after GnRH stimulation. In a newly introduced GnRH antagonist suppression test, serum LH and T were decreased to significantly lower levels in the responders. These results indicate a different hormonal equilibrium and probably different susceptibility to feedback regulation of the responders compared to the nonresponders.
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Buciclate and Undecanoate (Nebido): pretty much useless for bodybuilding purposes. If a bodybuilder went to jail for a few months it might have some utility. :D
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Hey gh15, did you see the new news story reporting that they're figuring they've got 30-40 THOUSAND individual steroid users in the US right now based on all the customer information and credit card receipts they gathered during Operation Raw Deal? You estimated yourself to know of at least 10,000 users, which you approximated could easily account for the whole fitness industry, which you essentially defined as anyone registered as a user on any bodybuilding or steroid board out there. Looks like there's even more. Seriously, if there are 40,000 users in the US right now on steroids then just go ahead and assume that anyone you've ever seen looking like anything has used or is using them.
in usa? 40000 personal users of hormones? nah closer to 4million,, i estimate the number of personal users in usa to be at 1-2 million people deom average housee wives to college guys to college chearleaders to professional athletes to averagwe joe trying to look better to get girls to average police officer in the streets of chicago to gym rats to competetive bodybuilders to people with real stamina problems and medical problems to handicup people,,
your goverment know exactly what its doing,,they know that every day good people using vial of testosterone and those are people that they have no interest in ,,your goverment actually as much as you hate it try to help those good people who spend their little money on chinease garbage,,your goverment closed shops to poision,,posion i wouldnt wish on my enemy to inject ,,,your goverment just try to keep the bad out as much as possible and the bad = undeground chinease garbage "labs" that from the first moment they poped out only brought suffering and scamed people out of their money in addition to making and copoking it next to their steak dinner in dirty places you wouldnt even let a cat eat off those plalces yet you put injected it into your ass...
as i said before you goverment is not after the 38 year old house wife who tried to stay young and pretty and find a new husband so her kids can have good life,,your goverment is not after the guy who didnt have stamina and energy to satisfy his woman and needed little testosterone,,,
your goverment IS after the scambegs criminals that has records from here to china and back and got rich on the back if the american people by doing illegal activities that one of them is selling conmtrolled substances on us grounds,,your goverment could get the personal user at any time they wanted to and be a lot less nice to you but they warned you and sent letters even to people who payed!!! money to the goverment agents!!!! you need to see for yourself how nice they were to you!,,your govemrnet as much as you dont seem to believe it is for you and by people like you,,its the suppliers of this garbage chinease crap that dont care for the life of people and only care about quick huge 100k a month profit with tax invation out of controlled substance that your goverment aiming at and nailed
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gh15 what is your opinion on t bol?
and if one is prone to acne would test e be superior to sust in this regard?
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Potential of testosterone buciclate for male contraception: endocrine differences between responders and nonresponders
HM Behre, S Baus, S Kliesch, C Keck, M Simoni and E Nieschlag
Institute of Reproductive Medicine of the University (WHO Collaborating Center for Research in Human Reproduction), Munster, Germany.
Suppression of serum LH and FSH, by testosterone (T) alone or in combination with other agents, has proved to be the most promising approach to male contraception. T enanthate, the only androgen preparation tested in male contraceptive efficacy trials so far, must be injected every week due to its short terminal elimination half-life of 4.5 days and leads to supraphysiological T serum levels. A new T ester synthesized under WHO and NIH auspices, testosterone buciclate (TB), showed a favorable pharmacokinetic profile, with a terminal half- life of 29.5 days when tested in hypogonadal men. Here we describe the results of the first clinical trial with TB for male contraception. After two control examinations, normal healthy male volunteers were given a single im injection of 600 mg TB (group I; n = 4) and 1200 mg TB (group II; n = 8) on day 0. Follow-up examinations were performed every 2 weeks up to week 32. In both groups mean serum T levels remained in the normal physiological range throughout the study course. Serum levels of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) showed a dose- and time- dependent increase, with serum levels slightly above the normal range in group II for several weeks and a maximal concentration of 3.8 +/- 0.5 nmol/L (mean +/- SE) in week 6. No suppression of spermatogenesis to oligozoospermia was observed in group I. However, in group II, spermatogenesis was suppressed to azoospermia in three of eight volunteers in week 10 that persisted up to weeks 14, 20, and 22, respectively. In these three men, LH and FSH were suppressed by TB injections to the respective assay detection limits, whereas in the other five subjects, mean serum levels were only decreased to values near the lower normal limit for LH and FSH, respectively. In addition, throughout the study course, a significant difference in serum sex hormone-binding globulin was detected between the responders (mean values, 21.2-26.4 nmol/L) and nonresponders (mean values, 36.2-46.3 nmol/L). Serum levels of LH as well as total and free T at baseline and after TB injection were lower in the responders than in the nonresponders. Both subgroups showed similar increases in serum LH and FSH after GnRH stimulation. In a newly introduced GnRH antagonist suppression test, serum LH and T were decreased to significantly lower levels in the responders. These results indicate a different hormonal equilibrium and probably different susceptibility to feedback regulation of the responders compared to the nonresponders.
Thanks,
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Buciclate and Undecanoate (Nebido): pretty much useless for bodybuilding purposes. If a bodybuilder went to jail for a few months it might have some utility. :D
I am not planing to used for any purpose, I had sum information on the preclinical studies in 1989 on castrated rhesus monkeys and the 2 scientist Rajalkshmi and Ramakrishan, were talking about favorable results. I never head chance to see the final results. Is was just curios.
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And what else, Bigbobs? 4 amps of test and what else?
I meant a total of about 1000 to 1200 mg including all drugs combined.
I guess it's largely genetic. I'm sure if Ronnie or Huge Nasser only take 3-4 amps a week of test they would still be able to compete at 220ish right?
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GH15 when you say that to compete at 250+ you need 2 amps of Sustanon per day is that stacking with other stuff like dbol, deca, etc. or just taking test alone?
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Post the specific reference. All data I've seen shows that IM testosterone esters like Enanthate peak at around 24-48h.
Edit, this is what the blood levels look like after a single injection so it basically peaks after a day
(http://www.medibolics.com/images/frequenc.jpg)
Yes but thats only ONE SHOT!
You fail to recognize build up to higher steady state plasma level.
All these dumb ass here propose 1amp sus ew = waste of drug and knock down Nat Test for no reason.
Experienced user gonna fill 3-4cc to start off a SUS only kick off.
If you shoot 10cc of SUS in a couple days -- 10 x 30 Tprop = 300Tp
10 x 60 Tpheny = 600Tpy
10 x 60 Tiso = 600Ti
10 x 100 Tdeca = 1000TD
ANy man that tollerates Testo decently and Tprop in particular could handle that.
You'd be riding 1000mg of Td max towards day 10-14. The rest have mostly decayed.
If you understand how this drug released and decays you can avoid a lot of shots and not ride a roller coaster.
But most "SUS" is fake stateside.
2-3cc of SUS every 17th day is a great HRT dose.
Experienced user wants beef? Fill 'er UP!
If too stupid to count to 21, dont use sustanon. That rules out plenty guys here.
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Yes but thats only ONE SHOT!
You fail to recognize build up to higher steady state plasma level.
Yes I understand. I was just showing when the test peaks after that one injection. That's not the absolute peak after shooting it regularly for a while obviously.