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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Overlord on November 18, 2007, 08:10:05 AM
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This is pretty good. Three weeks pre-olympia 1993
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even three weeks out he owns Ronnie
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That was awesome!
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Jesus he was huge!
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That's why the man is a champ (and a hottie too)! :P
What video is that from? Is it available?
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269 pounds Yates was outstandning thanks for posting I've never seen that before.
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even three weeks out he owns Ronnie
You're damn right ! untanned , no oil no contest lights and he crushes anything Ronnie ever shown even 2003
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Yeah that's an incredible clip.
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You're damn right ! untanned , no oil no contest lights and he crushes anything Ronnie ever shown even 2003
Deity, note the quad separation and chortle heartily at Hulksters zealous statements apropos Yates's ultra-smooth thighs
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Ya, but he also had a huge gut too....let's be honest.
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14 years ago..... :(
Yet another sign that bodybuilding is dying...who gets people this excited anymore?
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Ya, but he also had a huge gut too....let's be honest.
His gut is noticeable no doubt not as bad a Coleman but its there
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Deity, note the quad separation and chortle heartily at Hulksters zealous statements apropos Yates's ultra-smooth thighs
Great post ! lol
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:o
i take it that was the infamous "black socks" photo shoot???
:o
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:o
i take it that was the infamous "black socks" photo shoot???
:o
It's three weeks hence.
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Someone put Hulkster on suicide watch lol :o :o he's absolutely flawless with the exception of a slight gut
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LOL quad seperation my ass.
he flexes his quad directly in the mm shot and there is nothing. ::)
and ironically, dorian looked better there than he did at the contest. lol
and besides, that is nothing compared to this photoshoot:
now THAT is quad cuts (which were displayed in contest too I might add)
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Someone put Hulkster on suicide watch lol :o :o he's absolutely flawless with the exception of a slight gut
LOL
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same old doughian.
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You're damn right ! untanned , no oil no contest lights and he crushes anything Ronnie ever shown even 2003
::) Just admit you are gay and get it over with already
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LOL quad seperation my ass.
he flexes his quad directly in the mm shot and there is nothing. ::)
and ironically, dorian looked better there than he did at the contest. lol
and besides, that is nothing compared to this photoshoot:
now THAT is quad cuts (which were displayed in contest too I might add)
Someone put Hulkster on suicide watch lol he's most certainly going to MELTDOWN lol sucker these pics render anything you can , say have said and ever will say OBSOLETE
Dorian's legs are SICK just sick , his quads his hams and his calves not to mention how they all compliment each other in size & proportion and how they are balanced with his upper body
Ronnie can't touch this NO ONE can
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LOL
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same old doughian.
He's harder at 269 than Ronnie was at 249 ;) you're fucked now kid you have nothing left ! Dorian is FLAWLESS his arms are huge his quads are sick his size is INSANE
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::) Just admit you are gay and get it over with already
meltdown ;)
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ND I honestly don't see why you are getting so excited.
his calves look great.
his arms are rubbish as usual.
his quads smoother than smooth from the front.
his upper back is doughy in the rear double bi.
his waist is superthick etc.
I guess that is what happens when you don't know how to evaluate physiques.
you think a bag of shit is a bag of gold (at least compared to your 'anything ronnie has ever presented") LOL
dorian looks okay there.
but like all comparisons with an in shape ronnie coleman, nothing special compared to this:
dorian's gym shots look nothing like this:
whether its in the gym precontest or onstage, dorian cannot match the level of big ron.
sorry
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hey ND post a shot of dorian flexing his quads in the mm..
or are you too scared? ::)
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He lacks nothing he has insane size 269 pounds outstanding balance & proportion unmatched density he's complete from head to toe and conditioning at that weight that hasn't be equaled
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LOL look at the first ronnie gym shot I posted and compare it to these ND shots.
ronnie is totally owning him.
he has more hardness and cuts in his quads than dorian does in his whole fucking body.. :-\
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ND I honestly don't see why you are getting so excited.
his calves look great.
his arms are rubbish as usual.
his quads smoother than smooth from the front.
his upper back is doughy in the rear double bi.
his waist is superthick etc.
I guess that is what happens when you don't know how to evaluate physiques.
you think a bag of shit is a bag of gold (at least compared to your 'anything ronnie has ever presented") LOL
dorian looks okay there.
but like all comparisons with an in shape ronnie coleman, nothing special compared to this:
dorian's gym shots look nothing like this:
whether its in the gym precontest or onstage, dorian cannot match the level of big ron.
sorry
meltdown we all knew it was coming lol
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He lacks nothing he has insane size 269 pounds outstanding balance & proportion unmatched density he's complete from head to toe and conditioning at that weight that hasn't be equaled
in other words, I am scared to post a shot of dorian flexing his quads when hitting the mm in the video.
because I am too scared to show how crappy dorian looked from the front..
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meltdown we all knew it was coming lol
umm..everything I said was true based on the video.
watch it again with unbiased eyes.
you are seeing a whole lot that isn't there, like dorians great quad cuts that are non existant from the front.
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in other words, I am scared to post a shot of dorian flexing his quads when hitting the mm in the video.
because I am too scared to show how crappy dorian looked from the front..
lol kid you're finished keep ice skating up-hill Ronnie is NO WHERE near this and never has been he would have to be re-born with better genetics to match that
Dorian has it all size , conditioning , density , balance & proportion and he's complete too
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Dorian looked fucking great there. Look when hes preparing to do a back lat spread.....absolute dryness and hes 3 weeks out.....
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Yeah, after 1500 pages we urgently need a new "Truce"-Thread. Keep on going guys....... ::)
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lol kid you're finished keep ice skating up-hill Ronnie is NO WHERE near this and never has been he would have to be re-born with better genetics to match that
Dorian has it all size , conditioning , density , balance & proportion and he's complete too
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
nice quads Doz.
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umm..everything I said was true based on the video.
watch it again with unbiased eyes.
you are seeing a whole lot that isn't there, like dorians great quad cuts that are non existant from the front.
Yeah thats why you ignorance was pointed out by overlord lol Dorian crushes Ronnie and you're meltdown as predicted its called trying to damage control because Dorian is something Ronnie never was complete from head to toe couple that with great size and unmatched density & conditioning and Ronnie would be like you a LOSER who posts photoshopped pics lol even your worked photos can't save you now. ;)
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ps look how shitty dorian's flexed arm is in that shot too. Like I said, everything I said was true.
and ND is ranting on about how "complete" he is.. ::)
I just love how ND is too scared to post certain shots because it shows that everything I said was correct, and that he is making up bullshit not validated by real life as usual..
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ND is avoiding the mm shot with dorian flexing his quads as hard as he can.
what a coward.
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ND = chicken shit hahahaha
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::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
nice quads Doz.
NO GREAT quads and LEGS you know calves , hams and quads and look at the discrepancy between the quality of the videos stills IMAGINE how much better this would look shot today? lol holy cow some one notice the CN tower Hulkster may be looking to make a leap lol
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Go away.
Nobody likes you guys.
Seriously
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ND = chicken shit hahahaha
Hulkster = meltdown ;)
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in breaking news, ND is still chicken shit.
he won't post shots that expose his bullshit.
as cowardly as they come :-\
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Hulkster = meltdown ;)
LOL thanks for showing us all how bad dorian's quads were.
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LOL thanks for showing us all how bad dorian's quads were.
Ha Ha Ha Ha the meltdown continues this is coming from the guy who uses photoshopped pics and claims Ronnie's calves have more detail than Dorians lol
Dorian's legs are fantastic huge , vascular ( I thought you'd like that one ) balanced and in proportion separated and dense , sorry slick Ronnie doesn't compare.
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LOL thanks for showing us all how bad dorian's quads were.
And Ronnie's quads are cut in the MM, right??
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And Ronnie's quads are cut in the MM, right??
yes, why yes they are.
thanks for asking:
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And Ronnie's quads are cut in the MM, right??
Hulkster owned yet again
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This picture is sick. 8) Oh man, that video just started a whole new feud. See, now Hulkster needs to go uncover some lost Ronnie footage. I wonder who had this Dorian video all this time without letting it out.
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I still find it funny that ND is too stupid to realize that from ANY angle, dorian's quads suck compared to Ronnie's: ::)
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Ronnie's mis-matched collection of parts could never hold a candle to this balance & proportion , this size , his conditioning & density and completeness
I remember Hulkster claiming on the truce thread that thise famous B & W photos wouldn't be nearly impressive in color lol man he looks more stupid than usual
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This picture is sick. 8) Oh man, that video just started a whole new feud. See, now Hulkster needs to go uncover some lost Ronnie footage. I wonder who had this Dorian video all this time without letting it out.
No kidding I mean there must be some more high quality pictures too someone needs to let them out .
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Ronnie's mis-matched collection of parts could never hold a candle to this balance & proportion , this size , his conditioning & density and completeness
I remember Hulkster claiming on the truce thread that thise famous B & W photos wouldn't be nearly impressive in color lol man he looks more stupid than usual
umm..they aren't..
you forgot my post already, didn't you?
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yes, why yes they are.
thanks for asking:
notice how ND conveniently avoids this damaging post to his bullshit. ::)
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even three weeks out he owns Ronnie
No one can own Ronnie.... :P but yea his looking pretty sick there!!!
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I still find it funny that ND is too stupid to realize that from ANY angle, dorian's quads suck compared to Ronnie's: ::)
LMFAO lets entertain your stupidity for a moment because I'm a kind and generous God , lets say his quads are better LMFAO it does NOTHING for his legs as a whole Dorian KILLS Ronnie overall stop trying to accumulate parts thats NOT how contests are judges its completeness , balance & proportion , size & conditioning you'd know this if you had ANY comprehension on how bodybuilding contests are judged lol
stick to posting photoshopped pics and FYI in that comparison Dorian is equal if NOT better than Ronnie period.
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I don't think people on this thread have seen the battle for the olympia 2001 shots from where this one was taken:
it owns this vid of dorian by a long shot.
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notice how ND conveniently avoids this damaging post to his bullshit. ::)
LMFAO I posted the 99 screencap , nice try though Dorian's quads are SICK his legs are outstanding
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I'm a admire ronnie a lot but no matter how I look at it I cannot find many flaws on dorian.....he was so complete. he'd win a head to head olympia with ronnie in best shapes.
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I love how ND's new line every time shots of Ronnie are posted that own dorian (which is almost all of them) they are ALL now suddenly photoshopped.. ::)
can you not see how stupid this is? :-\
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I don't think people on this thread have seen the battle for the olympia 2001 shots from where this one was taken:
it owns this vid of dorian by a long shot.
LMFAO sure they do his collection of parts can't hold a candle to Dorian sorry I hope this helps and notice the discrepancy between the two screencaps imagine if the Yates were high quality ? lol you'd be crying louder than now , kid you're finished walk away in shame
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I'm a admire ronnie a lot but no matter how I look at it I cannot find many flaws on dorian.....he was so complete. he'd win a head to head olympia with ronnie in best shapes.
Great post ! smart man ! common sense too
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I love how ND's new line every time shots of Ronnie are posted that own dorian (which is almost all of them) they are ALL now suddenly photoshopped.. ::)
can you not see how stupid this is? :-\
No see the shot you keep posting isn't new its actually OLD you just keep posting a ' new ' version a fixed version a PHOTOSHOP version any other myths you need dispelled? lol
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Dorian Yates was a good bodybuilder. Dont know why all this crap is said about him. Ronnie probably has one of the biggest guts in bodybuilding.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates09.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/gruppociak/dy86.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy28.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy13.jpg)
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One day you two assholes are going to wake up and realize, Jesus... did i just waste 2-40 (however long you are here) years of my getbig experience arguing something so pointless?
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One day you two assholes are going to wake up and realize, Jesus... did i just waste 2-40 (however long you are here) years of my getbig experience arguing something so pointless?
It is pointless true but thats what the boards are for just inane things like these !
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1. The pictures of that photo shoot don't do Dorian justice! :o
2. Leave the Ronnie photos out of this thread!!!!!!!!! I personally think Ronnie is the better bodybuilder, BUT THERE'S ALREADY A THREAD FOR COMPARING THE TWO!!!!!!! This thread is about Dorain! ::)
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Dorian looks great in those 93 pre-contest shots - probably the best he's ever looked - but he still gets outmatched by Ronnie's 02 pre-contest pics. Almost every bodybuilder looks better a couple of weeks out posing in a gym. So it's unfair to compare a pre-contest pic of Dorian to a contest pic of Ronnie.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=213159;image)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman333.jpg)
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(http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/7846/dorianyates1611984young2nc.jpg)
(http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/3115/dorianyates203young19sl.jpg)
(http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/8345/dorianyates205young37ex.jpg)
(http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/7628/dorianyates168199019919on.jpg)
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Dorian looks great in those 93 pre-contest shots - probably the best he's ever looked - but he still gets outmatched by Ronnie's 02 pre-contest pics. Almost every bodybuilder looks better a couple of weeks out posing in a gym. So it's unfair to compare a pre-contest pic of Dorian to a contest pic of Ronnie.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=213159;image)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman333.jpg)
Dorian enjoys advantages Ronnie does NOT and this is a clear advantage in a bodybuilding contest
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1. The pictures of that photo shoot don't do Dorian justice! :o
2. Leave the Ronnie photos out of this thread!!!!!!!!! I personally think Ronnie is the better bodybuilder, BUT THERE'S ALREADY A THREAD FOR COMPARING THE TWO!!!!!!! This thread is about Dorain! ::)
You're right these pics are just the tip of the iceberg .
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Dorian enjoys advantages Ronnie does NOT and this is a clear advantage in a bodybuilding contest
the same can be said about Ronnie. So what's your point?
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No kidding I mean there must be some more high quality pictures too someone needs to let them out .
The person who posted this video is a guy called Roger Shelley,a photographer who used to take my early contest photos,and this is when Kev Horton took the b/w shots that ended up in Flex.I can`t believe he`s had this video all these years.Click on the username to get his details and contact him if you want to see if he has any colour shots from this session.
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the same can be said about Ronnie. So what's your point?
My point is Dorian meets the criteria much better , he more complete and has less flaws there fore any version of Ronnie would be beaten , this is probably the best Dorian has EVER looked including all of his Olympia wins
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The person who posted this video is a guy called Roger Shelley,a photographer who used to take my early contest photos,and this is when Kev Horton took the b/w shots that ended up in Flex.I can`t believe he`s had this video all these years.Click on the username to get his details and contact him if you want to see if he has any colour shots from this session.
I didn't think of that , great idea !
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Dorian enjoys advantages Ronnie does NOT and this is a clear advantage in a bodybuilding contest
as usual, mandatory for mandatory is not even close.
ronnie wins almost all of them.
ND can post all the bullshit he wants- it still doesn't change this basic fact.
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as usual, mandatory for mandatory is not even close.
ronnie wins almost all of them.
ND can post all the bullshit he wants- it still doesn't change this basic fact.
NO he doesn't if you knew the criteria you'd know in all the mandatory poses they looked for the following
Muscular Size - Dorian is 269 pounds
Conditioning - Dorian conditioning is legendary
Density - Again Yates
Balance & proportion - Yates period .
Posing - Yates again
he's more complete he has calves & proportionate forearms , watch the video again and watch how much better the poses look when you have complete calves and they are great too , oh wait you're the idiot who claim Ronnie's calves are more defined ::) and recall all ROUNDS are PHYSIQUE ROUNDS meaning ( if you knew anything you'd know this ) they don't separate that criteria from one another and Yates has em especially in these pics lol
Dorian has the clear cut advantage of being complete in every single mandatory poses right off the bat period ! he also has depending on the year a clear advantage in size , and any year conditioning couple that with being a better technical poser and your boy goes down faster than you off the CN tower ;)
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Dorian looks great in those 93 pre-contest shots - probably the best he's ever looked - but he still gets outmatched by Ronnie's 02 pre-contest pics. Almost every bodybuilder looks better a couple of weeks out posing in a gym. So it's unfair to compare a pre-contest pic of Dorian to a contest pic of Ronnie.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=213159;image)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman333.jpg)
Brutal, these are pre 03 Olympia. Not 02.
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NO he doesn't if you knew the criteria you'd know in all the mandatory poses they looked for the following
Muscular Size - Dorian is 269 pounds
Ronnie in the 02 BFTO is 275 lbs. Therefore, he beats Dorian in muscular size.
Conditioning - Dorian conditioning is legendary
The purpose of conditioning is to display separations and striations - NOT to look smooth as a baby's ass. Ronnie wins here. If you claim Dorian has better conditioning b/c he's "harder," then I'll object that Ronnie's harder. You are assuming a tactile perception based off a picture. Unless you were present to touch their muscles at the time, you can't defend your comment anymore than I can.
Density - Again Yates
Density is a property of conditioning. See above.
Balance & proportion - Yates period.
Dorian beats Ronnie here but not by much. Ronnie looked very symmetrical in the 02 BFTO.
Posing - Yates again
agreed.
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Why can't people just agree that they were EACH the best bodybuilders of their time ???
Dorian was unmatched in his time and
Ronnie was unmatched in his time! Both INCREDIBLE bodybuilders.
Nobody likes a gut but it's almost impossible to maintain that much mass without eating tremendous amounts of food. Hence, the gut. I don't want to hear all of the GH and Insulin arguments either ;D BTW, something to take into account with that argument is that almost all of the pro's are using the same stuff and only the super massive BBr's have the gut.
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Brutal, these are pre 03 Olympia. Not 02.
Ronnie trained in the same home gym in both the 02 and 03 BFTO. That's why both sets look very similar.
02 BFTO
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman222.jpg)
03 BFTO
(http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24878&d=1068460132)
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dorian calves are bigger than his arms at that weight.
so much for such perfect proportions.. ::)
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dorian calves are bigger than his arms at that weight.
so much for such perfect proportions.. ::)
I Don't think you'll ever hear someone complain cause their calves are bigger than their arms ;)
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I Don't think you'll ever hear someone complain cause their calves are bigger than their arms
my calves are bigger than my arms. I must admit, it's quite a nice "problem" to have. :)
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I Don't think you'll ever hear someone complain cause their calves are bigger than their arms ;)
normally no.
but ND goes on about how much better dorian's proportions are than Ronnie, and how perfect he is, when it is in fact total bullshit.
real life never matches up with an ND post.
never has.
probably never will..
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Ronnie in the 02 BFTO is 275 lbs. Therefore, he beats Dorian in muscular size.
The purpose of conditioning is to display separations and striations - NOT to look smooth as a baby's ass. Ronnie wins here. If you claim Dorian has better conditioning b/c he's "harder," then I'll object that Ronnie's harder. You are assuming a tactile perception based off a picture. Unless you were present to touch their muscles at the time, you can't defend your comment anymore than I can.
Density is a property of conditioning. See above.
Dorian beats Ronnie here but not by much. Ronnie looked very symmetrical in the 02 BFTO.
agreed.
Ronnie in the 02 BFTO is 275 lbs. Therefore, he beats Dorian in muscular size.
6 pounds isn't much especially considering he's an inch shorter and the extra size isn't conditioned mass
The purpose of conditioning is to display separations and striations - NOT to look smooth as a baby's ass. Ronnie wins here. If you claim Dorian has better conditioning b/c he's "harder," then I'll object that Ronnie's harder. You are assuming a tactile perception based off a picture. Unless you were present to touch their muscles at the time, you can't defend your comment anymore than I can.
Dorian has plenty of striations , separations and vascularity , conditioning also includes how dry and hard one his and this is two areas Dorian is noted for and you can object all you want it doesn't change the fact and I can defend my opinion by stating specifically that Kevin Horton has seen and photographed every Mr Olympia for years and he has said Dorian's conditioning at 285 pounds was UNMATCHED so this render your objection moot
Density is a property of conditioning. See above.
which you didn't know until I explain it to you ;) just like our next topic
Dorian beats Ronnie here but not by much. Ronnie looked very symmetrical in the 02 BFTO.
well you're partially right Dorian does beat Ronnie here and its BY a LOT not ' not by much ' as you claim and Ronnie's ' symmetry ' suffers greatly the heavier he gets this is old news at the 02 BFTO its at his all-time worse and no where near as good as Dorian's no way no how ! I mean its night & day and a 6 pound ' advantage ' could never compensate for that , lets say its almost equal he still has NO calves or forearms major liability compared to Yates who has everything else Ronnie has an then some
Now posing & presentation another advantage for Dorian and why? because he's a better technical poser , he hits his poses correctly and effectively shows his physique off to its greatest advantage
recap Dorian has 99% of the size of Ronnie , better conditioning , better balance & proportion , better poser , is more complete that means Dorian would beat ANY Ronnie with ease 2003 included .
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dorian calves are bigger than his arms at that weight.
so much for such perfect proportions.. ::)
You're so full of shit its pathetic and easily proven wrong Yates has equal proportions in his arms and calves unlike Ronnie who calves are forearms are the same size nevermind his biceps/triceps
You're to used to looking at Ronnie's twigs and think thats how they're supposed to look
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normally no.
but ND goes on about how much better dorian's proportions are than Ronnie, and how perfect he is, when it is in fact total bullshit.
real life never matches up with an ND post.
never has.
probably never will..
Yeah like you would know more than Dorian who said specifically compared to Ronnie his balance was better Opppppssssssssss someone looks really stupid right now and again like you would know more than an IFBB judge
Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
Any other bullshit claims you need crushed?
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post the most muscular shot of dorian flexing his arms, delts, chest and quads in the video and then we will see how your claims hold up.
LOL
that will never happen.
ND fears reality. it exposes his bullshit.
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post the most muscular shot of dorian flexing his arms, delts, chest and quads in the video and then we will see how your claims hold up.
LOL
that will never happen.
ND fears reality. it exposes his bullshit.
Hulkster your nonsense is crushed period ONE shot doesn't prove anything its all the mandatories combined if you knew how competitive bodybuilding is judged you'd know this but then again look who we're talking about the guy who is using photoshopped pics and who's claiming Ronnie's calves have more detail than Dorians lol
anything else I can correct for you ?
Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
Maybe you missed this quote from and IFBB judge?
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look how crappy dorian's shitty arms are compared to his back.
like I said, ND fears reality:
it exposes his bullshit.
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look how crappy dorian's twig arms are compared to his back.
like I said, ND fears reality:
it exposes his bullshit.
;)
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His arms are just as big as his calves ;)
Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
Notice the reference to Ronnie? the big guy with a load of massive parts just thrown together
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Hulkster your nonsense is crushed period ONE shot doesn't prove anything its all the mandatories combined
wrong. it shows how crappy his arms, delts chest and quads are in comparison to Ronnie Coleman.
and besides, dorian loses almost every mandatory anyway.
remember the 99 shots that all you can do is claim that they are all photoshopped because they are so much better than dorian? ::)
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and here we have pure garbage from knees up.
thanks ND.
your bullshit orgasms have been falsified.
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wrong. it shows how crappy his arms, delts chest and quads are in comparison to Ronnie Coleman.
and besides, dorian loses almost every mandatory anyway.
remember the 99 shots that all you can do is claim that they are all photoshopped because they are so much better than dorian? ::)
Again I provided PROOF you're using photoshopped pics it has NOTHING to do with Dorian lol it has to do with your desperation and Bizzy admitted to ' adjusting ' the pics lol loser
Ronnie 99 VS Dorian at 269 LMFAO go away now
NO contest
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look how crappy dorian's shitty arms are compared to his back.
like I said, ND fears reality:
it exposes his bullshit.
Look how crappy Coleman's triceps and calves are compared to his back
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and here we have pure garbage from knees up.
thanks ND.
your bullshit orgasms have been falsified.
meltdown continues lol you're crushed just like you were when you seen the 1995 most muscular you cried photoshopped and the irony is you're now reduced to using photoshopped pics lol
Dorian OWNS Ronnie kid , sorry no contest .
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Dorian's legs are SICK just sick , his quads his hams and his calves not to mention how they all compliment each other in size & proportion and how they are balanced with his upper body
Ronnie can't touch this NO ONE can
you think better than Platz? Please explain how
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ronnie 99 destroys dorian, even when ND says he looks better here than any of his olympia wins.,. ::) ::)
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now that is grainy
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not even Platz?
I think the reference was to the entire package. Platz was one of the most disproportionate olympians of all time. Admittedly, with preposterously huge legs
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you think better than Platz? Please explain how
Legs yes , overall NO
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ronnie 99 destroys dorian, even when ND says he looks better here than any of his olympia wins.,. ::) ::)
LMFAO look at your bot getting his ass handed to him by a BIGGER , DENSER and better CONDITIONED Yates who is untanned , no oil and no contest lights lol and the poorest quality screencap imaginable lol and yet HE crushes Ronnie lol NO match from head to toe kid , Dorian has NO flaws Ronnie has poor balance & proportion NO calves what so ever and he's down 12 pounds NEXT ;)
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Look how crappy Coleman's triceps and calves are compared to his back
Great post ! but some how Hulkster thinks he's in better proportion than Yates lol
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I think the reference was to the entire package. Platz was one of the most disproportionate olympians of all time. Admittedly, with preposterously huge legs
fair enough
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Great post ! but some how Hulkster thinks he's in better proportion than Yates lol
Depends on the pose...
Overall I do give it to Ronnie though.
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Legs yes , overall NO
yeah I reread your initial post, I thin I misinterpreted
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Trust me to throw an incendairy device to a pack of bodybuilding wolves
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Depends on the pose...
Overall I do give it to Ronnie though.
Overall lmfao Sorry Matt you're flat out wrong .
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Overall lmfao Sorry Matt you're flat out wrong right .
Fixed that one for ya. ;)
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Trust me to throw an incendairy device to a pack of bodybuilding wolves
Great post ! lol but its worth all the Hulkster meltdowns
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Fixed that one for ya. ;)
Never seen that before ;)
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Trust me to throw an incendairy device to a pack of bodybuilding wolves
yeah this a great find, thanks
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:o
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This is pretty good. Three weeks pre-olympia 1993
Great to see him when he had arms, looks fuggin awesome, are there any clips of that 2002 Ronnie photoshoot? Would be cool to compare. Interesting that Dorian never really brought those arms to a stage, still, insane clip, pretty hard to fault him, legs aren't huge but calves make quads look bigger than they are. Whatever, good balance. If 2003 Ronnie was there he'd still dwarf him, not necessarily match his condition, apart from ass and hams, but definitely dwarf him.
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dorian calves are bigger than his arms at that weight.
so much for such perfect proportions.. ::)
you are an idiot. the calves should be bigger that the arms. you are used sticks from the knees down so i guess that is all you know.
ANY negative statements about yates are a stretch. seriously, he would win the 07 mr o in that 3 week out condition.
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you are an idiot. the calves should be bigger that the arms. you are used sticks from the knees down so i guess that is all you know.
ANY negative statements about yates are a stretch. seriously, he would win the 07 mr o in that 3 week out condition.
Upper arms and calves are supposed to be even. Dorian and Ronnie were both mismatched in this area.
I agree on Dorian winning the 2007 Mr. Olympia.
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Upper arms and calves are supposed to be even. Dorian and Ronnie were both mismatched in this area.
I agree on Dorian winning the 2007 Mr. Olympia.
No They're most certainly NOT Ronnie's calves are NO WHERE near the size of his biceps/triceps Dorians are a fuck of a lot closer than Ronnie , especially at that weights .
nice try though
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Upper arms and calves are supposed to be even. Dorian and Ronnie were both mismatched in this area.
I agree on Dorian winning the 2007 Mr. Olympia.
Thats the Greek Ideal and Dorian meets that a lot better than Ronnie , neck , arms and calves are all supposed to be the same size .
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wow he was huge....but.
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he was better. :)~ and 1-0 vers. ;)~
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Gots to agree...I'd rather look like Haney...last Mr. O with ANY aesthetic quality PERIOD. You fucktards can go on with your Ronnie/Dorian debate but if you don't have the slim waist you lose!
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he was better. :)~ and 1-0 vers. ;)~
Haney went out with style and on top his last contest was probably the best he ever looked , Yates & ronnie can't say the same.
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Dorian 93 was absolutely insane looking :o
was this from the infamous black/white photos photo shoot?
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Dorian 93 was absolutely insane looking :o
was this from the infamous black/white photos photo shoot?
Yes
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Dorian 93 was absolutely insane looking :o
was this from the infamous black/white photos photo shoot?
he sure was, gotta say the photos are just awesome
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This video is madness. Looks like ND was right this whole time and Hulkster has just wasted several thousand posts over the last couple years :-\
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This video is madness. Looks like ND was right this whole time and Hulkster has just wasted several thousand posts over the last couple years :-\
Great post ! thank you .
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Great post ! thank you .
Its amazing how the supposed "gut" seemed to disappear when he was sitting down in the red leggings
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Its amazing how the supposed "gut" seemed to disappear when he was sitting down in the red leggings
His gut was there but it was slight especially compared to Ronnie who was 20 pounds lighter in these pics
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This picture is sick. 8) Oh man, that video just started a whole new feud. See, now Hulkster needs to go uncover some lost Ronnie footage. I wonder who had this Dorian video all this time without letting it out.
There actually is some new DVD footage of Ronnie from the 2001 AC
released about a month ago.
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Gots to agree...I'd rather look like Haney...last Mr. O with ANY aesthetic quality PERIOD. You fucktards can go on with your Ronnie/Dorian debate but if you don't have the slim waist you lose!
I understand this comment but like alot of people
they have never seen the full evidence...
Especially Ron in 1999...
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Well, I think this video puts paid to the truce thread.
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I understand this comment but like alot of people
they have never seen the full evidence...
Especially Ron in 1999...
Still lacks balance & proportion , still lacks that bone dry & rock hard conditioning Yates made famous and he's still incomplete .
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I don't think people on this thread have seen the battle for the olympia 2001 shots from where this one was taken:
it owns this vid of dorian by a long shot.
I think you mean BFTO 2002
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He looks great no doubt. I've always like Dorian 93 and think that is his best, but I still prefer Ronnie's physique.
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I understand this comment but like alot of people
they have never seen the full evidence...
Especially Ron in 1999...
Give it a rest.
Just because he had a narrow waist does NOT mean he was aesthetic.
Thats as idiotic as saying Dexter is aesthetic because he's small.
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hulkster, calm down, your almost frantic! ::)
dorian is looking insane in that video..never seen it before!
that was when he was still amazing..before he started to come apart.
that video is proof that he overdieted to several of his olympia competitions..
insane calves.
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there is no doubt that dorian was one of the best bodybuilders on earth and there are plenty of videos and real life experience to demonstrate it,,when it comes to genetics:what you do with this genetics ratio...dorian is by far by a mile the best bodybuilder to ever walk earth,,,
both dorian and current champ are of average genetic pool and you can see the diference between the 2 night and day,,dorian would win last o if competed today and to be quite honest with you..he would have won 2006 o if competed at his 90s NOT all time best,,
the way i look at it and im being very serious current champ took bodybuilding a step back,,this last competition should have gone to dex just to shake things up
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That is a great point.
Who in the heck is going to compare to
Yates and Coleman in the next 10 years.
It's hard to get excited about something
that is not progressing. Wolf might have a chance,
but time will tell. Martinez needs to come in ripped to the
bone to come close to comparing. I guess we'll see what
Mother Nature whips up in the next 5-10 years.
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well..jason should not even won a state show looking like that in the ifbb most prestigious competition,,vick simply got too much oil in my opinion but was optional winner,,wolf should have tken it but need little more thickness and slight improvments,,you left with dex and dex now looked like always and this year it was enough for the o title he or vic but vic is just too damn oily in the bicep and calves it is disgusting,,but yes either vic or dex should have taken it preferably dex
next year it should be wolf and only wolf if healthy and do this slight imporvments
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and you should have beat both Jay and Ronnie
in one of those shows after the 2006 Olympia
going by the pics and videos I've seen. ;)
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there is no doubt that dorian was one of the best bodybuilders on earth and there are plenty of videos and real life experience to demonstrate it,,when it comes to genetics:what you do with this genetics ratio...dorian is by far by a mile the best bodybuilder to ever walk earth,,,
both dorian and current champ are of average genetic pool and you can see the diference between the 2 night and day,,dorian would win last o if competed today and to be quite honest with you..he would have won 2006 o if competed at his 90s NOT all time best,,
the way i look at it and im being very serious current champ took bodybuilding a step back,,this last competition should have gone to dex just to shake things up
So are you saying that Dorian is the best in relation to his genetic potential or the best overall?
Do you think he was better than Ronnie?
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Dorian was really awesome when in his prime. He was the first freak in Olympia history for bulky mass. It was a total farce they gave him the Olympia the last 2 years however. With the injury he had to his arm there is no way he should have won that trophy, no matter how hard he trained he should have lost it.
Ronnie in his prime was also really good. He had mass that was not out matched. Ronnie's biggest down fall was his big gorilla potbelly and, the unfortunate event he decided to speak with a microphone. ;)
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I love how Hulkster had to come in here and immediately start stinking the place up with his Ronnie shit. Surely a sign that he knows just how unreal a 93 Yates was ;)
Oh, and Dorian's legs BLOW AWAY Coleman's by a fucking mile. They look absolutely amazing on that video.
Yates was flawless, from head to toe.
As Yates stood there, he was the greatest BB of all-time, and has yet to be exceeded.
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Yates looked unreal in that video.
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I love how Hulkster had to come in here and immediately start stinking the place up with his Ronnie shit. Surely a sign that he knows just how unreal a 93 Yates was ;)
Oh, and Dorian's legs BLOW AWAY Coleman's by a fucking mile. They look absolutely amazing on that video.
Yates was flawless, from head to toe.
As Yates stood there, he was the greatest BB of all-time, and has yet to be exceeded.
Great post ! you knew Hulkster was going to meltdown lol you just knew it .
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His calves looked over 20 inches in that video.. :o
Fucking sick conditioning and mass.
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His calves looked over 20 inches in that video.. :o
Fucking sick conditioning and mass.
;)
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Dorian was really awesome when in his prime. He was the first freak in Olympia history for bulky mass. It was a total farce they gave him the Olympia the last 2 years however. With the injury he had to his arm there is no way he should have won that trophy, no matter how hard he trained he should have lost it.
Ronnie in his prime was also really good. He had mass that was not out matched. Ronnie's biggest down fall was his big gorilla potbelly and, the unfortunate event he decided to speak with a microphone. ;)
Not to mention the complete mess of thrown together bodyparts standing on twigs.
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So are you saying that Dorian is the best in relation to his genetic potential or the best overall?
Do you think he was better than Ronnie?
dorian is best bodybuilder in this planet when you know where he came from in the genetic pool,,so he is the best in relashion to what god gave him,,,
now there is no bodybuilder in the world that ever looked better than ron coleman 2003,,it was unhuman and i dont know how he pulled it most likley because he belong in the highest of the highest in the genetic pool
overall you cant compare the 2 ,,one is white one is black,,different body shapes,,different strngths and almost no weaknessess,,its up for personal favorite
dorian did look more hansome in this particular video footage than 99% of bodybuilders,,very handsome in that footage,,i have yet to see someone that look good in face that carry that weight on him so he wins on that big time
its basically ron arnold dorian in no particular order followed closely behind by sergio and haney in no particular order IN MY OPINION
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Shit, I never thought Dorian was THIS good. He was amazing, the most impressive bodybuilder ever, without a doubt.
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Shit, I never thought Dorian was THIS good. He was amazing, the most impressive bodybuilder ever, without a doubt.
Yep.
Que more Hulkster "You're wrong! You're blind! You're biased! WAAAAAA!"
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This is pretty good. Three weeks pre-olympia 1993
I just downloaded the video with realplayer but the quality sucks. You'd think if someone was shooting Mr. Olympia right before the Olympia they'd bring a decent camera.
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Yep.
Que more Hulkster "You're wrong! You're blind! You're biased! WAAAAAA!"
His worst nightmare is coming true people are praising Dorian lol but what's he going to say? he's to biased and stupid to admit the obvious.
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I love how the Dorian bashers claimed Dorian's grainyness was all due to the black and white and acne. LOL.
Fucking wankers.
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I just downloaded the video with realplayer but the quality sucks. You'd think if someone was shooting Mr. Olympia right before the Olympia they'd bring a decent camera.
It wasn't a set up shoot.
It was for Dorian's personal record, set up as a spur of the moment thing.
It was never meant to see the public.
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I love how the Dorian bashers claimed Dorian's grainyness was all due to the black and white and acne. LOL.
Fucking wankers.
Hulkster claimed that if those famous black & white photos were ever in color he wouldn't nearly be as impressive and the best is when he claimed Ronnie's calves show more detail than Dorians , I kid you not.
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Don't we already have a thread for this?
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Don't we already have a thread for this?
This is the original.
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ronnie 99 destroys dorian, even when ND says he looks better here than any of his olympia wins.,. ::) ::)
AHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Self ownage there Hulkster.
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Yeah like you would know more than Dorian who said specifically compared to Ronnie his balance was better Opppppssssssssss someone looks really stupid right now and again like you would know more than an IFBB judge
Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
Any other bullshit claims you need crushed?
There's no doubt that Dorian is symmetrical. His body's just not "pretty".
Dont get me wrong, I'm a huge Dorian fan (Ronnie too).
Two totally different bodies.
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This video destroyed any and all credibility Hulkster ever dreamed he had.
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There's no doubt that Dorian is symmetrical. His body's just not "pretty".
Dont get me wrong, I'm a huge Dorian fan (Ronnie too).
Two totally different bodies.
You'll get no argument from me about Yates not having an aesthetic physique !
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This video destroyed any and all credibility Hulkster ever dreamed he had.
Ha Ha Ha Great post !
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Simply put, this video demonstrates the greatest physique in the history of the universe.
269lbs of rock hard muscle on a 5 foot 10 inch frame with absolutely no flaws, no lacking bodyparts.
All hail king Yates.
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His calves looked over 20 inches in that video.. :o
Fucking sick conditioning and mass.
20 inches lol
i would say 23 atleast.
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20 inches lol
i would say 23 atleast.
even Ronnie's oiled up calves can't get up to 20 inch
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even Ronnie's oiled up calves can't get up to 20 inch
i belive matarazzos calves where 23+ inches.
and doz calves where bigger
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I still don't see what you guys are freaking out about.
the video shows nothing new:
same old rubbish arms
thick waist.
smooth arms and delts.
piss poor smooth quads from the front- that ND avoids by only showing inner thigh shots.. ::)
horrible arms in most angles, particularly the front bi shot and mm
etc etc.
he had great calves. wow.
::)
if you guys really want to be impressed, check out the 99 olympia prejudging vid of Ronnie Coleman.
whats really funny here is that everyone was doing the exact same thing when the 99 Ronnie vids were posted. Ronnie is the best, kills dorian etc. etc.
and all the nuthuggers could do was cry 'fake' ::)
ronnie was that much better.
and this video only cements that.
sorry.
now that is a physique so good the nuthuggers cannot come up with anything dorian can do to counter it except say that everything is fake and altered..
::)
says it all right there.. :-\
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off yourself
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why is it that all these guys look 10 times better in the gym a couple of weeks before the show than they do when on stage?
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why is it that all these guys look 10 times better in the gym a couple of weeks before the show than they do when on stage?
I'd be willing to be you've never been to a pro show.
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I still don't see what you guys are freaking out about.
the video shows nothing new:
same old rubbish arms
thick waist.
smooth arms and delts.
piss poor smooth quads from the front- that ND avoids by only showing inner thigh shots.. ::)
horrible arms in most angles, particularly the front bi shot and mm
etc etc.
he had great calves. wow.
::)
if you guys really want to be impressed, check out the 99 olympia prejudging vid of Ronnie Coleman.
whats really funny here is that everyone was doing the exact same thing when the 99 Ronnie vids were posted. Ronnie is the best, kills dorian etc. etc.
and all the nuthuggers could do was cry 'fake' ::)
ronnie was that much better.
and this video only cements that.
sorry.
now that is a physique so good the nuthuggers cannot come up with anything dorian can do to counter it except say that everything is fake and altered..
::)
says it all right there.. :-\
Hulkster, I'm not a fan of Ronnie's and Dorian's physiques, even if I own a couple of DVDS from each one, so I do have a totally unbiased opinion. To tell the truth, Dorian is far more impressive in that clip than Ronnie in "The Unbelievable"; minus the biceps, which are simply light years ahead on Coleman, Dorian owns Ronnie on every bodypart. Look at those calves, look at those tris, look how dry yet dense Dorian's muscles are; he's just way more complete than Ronnie ever was. I'm speaking of 1993 of course, after that year Dorian shouldn't have won any Mr O IMO. Ronnie may be the freakiest bodybuilder to ever enter a stage, but Dorian in that particular clip is just amazing.
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Hulkster, I'm not a fan of Ronnie's and Dorian's physiques, even if I own a couple of DVDS from each one, so I do have a totally unbiased opinion. To tell the truth, Dorian is far more impressive in that clip than Ronnie in "The Unbelievable"; minus the biceps, which are simply light years ahead on Coleman, Dorian owns Ronnie on every bodypart. Look at those calves, look at those tris, look how dry yet dense Dorian's muscles are; he's just way more complete than Ronnie ever was. I'm speaking of 1993 of course, after that year Dorian shouldn't have won any Mr O IMO. Ronnie may be the freakiest bodybuilder to ever enter a stage, but Dorian in that particular clip is just amazing.
Read this very carefully Hulkster :-*
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This is pretty good. Three weeks pre-olympia 1993
The thickness of Dorian's middle back remains unmatched to this day, and in terms of lat width and trapezius thickness I think that only Ronnie circa 2003 Olympia is even in the same league. As for calves, they are by far the greatest ever, not only in size, but also in separations, vascularity and striations. It is interesting to note that Dorian is harder at 269 lbs than Ronnie at 257 lbs at the 1999 Olympia. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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ND I honestly don't see why you are getting so excited.
his calves look great.
his arms are rubbish as usual.
his quads smoother than smooth from the front.
his upper back is doughy in the rear double bi.
his waist is superthick etc.
I guess that is what happens when you don't know how to evaluate physiques.
you think a bag of shit is a bag of gold (at least compared to your 'anything ronnie has ever presented") LOL
dorian looks okay there.
but like all comparisons with an in shape ronnie coleman, nothing special compared to this:
dorian's gym shots look nothing like this:
whether its in the gym precontest or onstage, dorian cannot match the level of big ron.
sorry
Sorry, Hulkster, but according to McGough the only form of Ronnie that can compare to that is his 2001 ASC form. Any other form is shit.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I still don't see what you guys are freaking out about.
the video shows nothing new:
same old rubbish arms
thick waist.
smooth arms and delts.
piss poor smooth quads from the front- that ND avoids by only showing inner thigh shots.. ::)
horrible arms in most angles, particularly the front bi shot and mm
etc etc.
he had great calves. wow.
::)
if you guys really want to be impressed, check out the 99 olympia prejudging vid of Ronnie Coleman.
whats really funny here is that everyone was doing the exact same thing when the 99 Ronnie vids were posted. Ronnie is the best, kills dorian etc. etc.
and all the nuthuggers could do was cry 'fake' ::)
ronnie was that much better.
and this video only cements that.
sorry.
now that is a physique so good the nuthuggers cannot come up with anything dorian can do to counter it except say that everything is fake and altered..
::)
says it all right there.. :-\
The meltdown continues lol you have to love it !
Memo to Hulkster : The party is over , you're soundly defeated . go cry somewhere else.
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Sorry, Hulkster, but according to McGough the only form of Ronnie that can compare to that is his 2001 ASC form. Any other form is shit.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
owned again lol
Great post.
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this thread has 15000 pages potential 8)
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this thread has 15000 pages potential 8)
Not really lol there is nothing to argue about lol
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The meltdown continues lol you have to love it !
Memo to Hulkster : The party is over , you're soundly defeated . go cry somewhere else.
you do realize that in classic ND fashion, none of your orgasmic rantings about dorian's physique in that video match up to the ACTUAL video itself..
ie everything stated in my 'meltdown' is perfectly visible on the clip and 100% TRUE..
::)
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Hulkster can't stand all the attention and praise Dozzer is getting LOL!
Doz is making Ronnie look like a shirmp in that last comparison!
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Hulkster can't stand all the attention and praise Dozzer is getting LOL!
Doz is making Ronnie look like a shirmp in that last comparison!
he has a long way to go considering that ronnie has got almost all the attention in the 1500 page thread...
and the reason is simple: Dorian never equalled ronnie's 99 olympia physique. or 2001 AC for that matter.
never.
It goes to show you just how bad the evaluation skills of the nuthuggers are that they are actually claiming that dorian was BETTER in the vid than in contest shape lol ::)
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Man, Dorian looks fucking PERFECT in that most-muscular. Not lacking a single bodypart and absolutely MASSIVE from head to toe! Coleman was rolling on twigs!
Hulkster, I'm not a fan of Ronnie's and Dorian's physiques, even if I own a couple of DVDS from each one, so I do have a totally unbiased opinion. To tell the truth, Dorian is far more impressive in that clip than Ronnie in "The Unbelievable"; minus the biceps, which are simply light years ahead on Coleman, Dorian owns Ronnie on every bodypart. Look at those calves, look at those tris, look how dry yet dense Dorian's muscles are; he's just way more complete than Ronnie ever was. I'm speaking of 1993 of course, after that year Dorian shouldn't have won any Mr O IMO. Ronnie may be the freakiest bodybuilder to ever enter a stage, but Dorian in that particular clip is just amazing.
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Man, Dorian looks fucking PERFECT in that most-muscular.
unbelievable.
::)
but I guess countryman bias will do that. :-\
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Man, Ronnie was NEVER this huge and dense :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=213678;image)
Hulkster, how do you explain this? hahahaha
Hulkster, I'm not a fan of Ronnie's and Dorian's physiques, even if I own a couple of DVDS from each one, so I do have a totally unbiased opinion. To tell the truth, Dorian is far more impressive in that clip than Ronnie in "The Unbelievable"; minus the biceps, which are simply light years ahead on Coleman, Dorian owns Ronnie on every bodypart. Look at those calves, look at those tris, look how dry yet dense Dorian's muscles are; he's just way more complete than Ronnie ever was. I'm speaking of 1993 of course, after that year Dorian shouldn't have won any Mr O IMO. Ronnie may be the freakiest bodybuilder to ever enter a stage, but Dorian in that particular clip is just amazing.
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sorry, but the part about how dorian "owns ronnie on every bodypart" loses all credibilty for the rest of the statement.
lol
::)
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sorry, but the part about how dorian "owns ronnie on every bodypart" loses all credibilty for the rest of the statement.
lol
::)
Face it, you queer, you are a biased schmuck.
Dorian owns you and Ronnie.
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you do realize that in classic ND fashion, none of your orgasmic rantings about dorian's physique in that video match up to the ACTUAL video itself..
ie everything stated in my 'meltdown' is perfectly visible on the clip and 100% TRUE..
::)
Oh no its a meltdown in epic fashion and why? we're comparing an untanned , no posing oil and poor lighting and the absolute poorest quality compressed video to a contest ready Ronnie Coleman in a DVD screen capture and Ronnie is getting destroyed from every angle , every shot its not close you're retard
Dorian is 269 pounds hard as nails and bone dry MASSIVE everywhere you have nothing to work with his arms are HUGE his quads are fantastic his balance & proportion is without equal !
you have nothing , anything you can say , have said and ever will dream of saying is rendered moot
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Dorian is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. He did everything to the T.
While Coleman was eating McDonalds in the offseason, Yates was eating chicken, brocolli, and sweet potatoes and busting his ass in the dungeon.
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he has a long way to go considering that ronnie has got almost all the attention in the 1500 page thread...
and the reason is simple: Dorian never equalled ronnie's 99 olympia physique. or 2001 AC for that matter.
never.
It goes to show you just how bad the evaluation skills of the nuthuggers are that they are actually claiming that dorian was BETTER in the vid than in contest shape lol ::)
You're the LOSER who's been reduced to using photoshopped pics and hey Mr Evaluation Skills tell US all how Ronnie's calves are better than Dorians again ;)
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Hulkster can't stand all the attention and praise Dozzer is getting LOL!
Doz is making Ronnie look like a shirmp in that last comparison!
Ronnie is a ' soft ' 257 pounds with mis-matched parts and Dorian is hard as nails 269 pounds with NO weaknesses total complete package from head to toe , everything is huge and in great shape.
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You're the LOSER who's been reduced to using photoshopped pics and hey Mr Evaluation Skills tell US all how Ronnie's calves are better than Dorians again ;)
ND, can you please post the list of all Hulkster's claims about Yates? I am going to present them when I meet with Dorian. I'll get his take on them. LOL.
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ND, can you please post the list of all Hulkster's claims about Yates? I am going to present them when I meet with Dorian. I'll get his take on them. LOL.
lol According to Hulkster Dorian should have lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler , Shawn Ray beats Dorian 1995 in the back double biceps pose , Ronnie has better calves oh excuse me they're ' more defined ' Dorian's conditioning was a myth , Dorian's grainy appearance was because of his poor skin , Ronnie's balance & proportion is better than Dorian , Dorian's arms were shit , mind you this includes biceps/triceps and forearms , Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time , Dorian looks like a construction worker , he's SOFT and SMOOTH , his back is flat as pancake and these are just the ones I can think off the top of my head LMFAO
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Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
I agree Ronnie ! :o
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Flex magazine August 1997
Peter McGough on the famous Kevin Horton precontest black & whites of Dorian at 269lbs
I was present when those shots were taken and it was the most stunning unveiling of a physique these peepers had seen since my intial view of SERGIO OLIVA at the 1971 NABBA Mr Universe. that day , Dorian's physique blew my - if not his own -socks off.
The most stunning since Sergio Oliva for Christ sakes !!
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Peter McGough
He was 269 pounds of rock-hard shapely (yes, shapely) head-to-toe muscle. I had never seen anything like it. It was simply the best physique I had ever seen up to that point.
Shapely ROCK-HARD from head to toe Hulkster get it? he never seen ANYTHING like it lol I laugh when Hulkster types the " sport has progressed " not since 1993 kid
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Ronnie is a ' soft ' 257 pounds with mis-matched parts
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the truce thread ended over a 1000 pages ago with this physique:
soft mismatched parts my ass.
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ps I see when visual evidence does not favor dorian over ronnie, ND goes RIGHT BACK TO THE QUOTES, his only line of defense against real life.
now what does THAT tell you?
exactly.
so much for the 'nail in the coffin' lol ::)
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Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th
The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded. That conditioning has not been surpassed.
Kevin commenting on the famous black & whites pics he took of Yates , can you imagine what he would look like in a contest setting with a tan , posing oil and contest lighting? the video footage was the lowest quality and the black & white pics are technically terrible and they still sent shock waves into the bodybuilding community back then and still 14 years later , imagine a perfect set of pics in a studio setting with a digital camera? LMMFAO
Oh and keep this in mind
Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates
" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.
MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia
" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .
Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.
This is a quote from John Hotten book " Muscle "
" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own. Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.
Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002
Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).
Now many sources all sat the same thing Dorian is NO WHERE near as impressive in pics or video as he is live & in person lol can you imagine how great he really is ? I mean this crummy footage is outstanding and thats just the tip of the ice berg and Ronnie just hit like the Titanic and sunk . lol
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the truce thread ended over a 1000 pages ago with this physique:
soft mismatched parts my ass.
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ps I see when visual evidence does not favor dorian over ronnie, ND goes RIGHT BACK TO THE QUOTES, his only line of defense against real life.
now what does THAT tell you?
exactly.
so much for the 'nail in the coffin' lol ::)
only line of defense? lmfao maybe you missed the video? they screen caps ? my commentary ? the pictures ? everyone else agree Dorian in that videos is OUT STANDING and you lol have the balls to claim he's ' good ' lol
You're finished , the truce thread is finished , Ronnie is finished lol ;)
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ND, don't forget, Hulkster also knows more about photography than Horton ;)
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ND, don't forget, Hulkster also knows more about photography than Horton ;)
Ha ha Ha great post , he actually said Kevin was wrong and that pic wasn't terrible !
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Fine. Great. He won Mr. Olympia 6 times. Still an ugly-ass physique!
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Hey Hulkster how about these quotes? lol
I'm a admire ronnie a lot but no matter how I look at it I cannot find many flaws on dorian.....he was so complete. he'd win a head to head olympia with ronnie in best shapes.
This video is madness. Looks like ND was right this whole time and Hulkster has just wasted several thousand posts over the last couple years
hulkster, calm down, your almost frantic! Roll Eyes
dorian is looking insane in that video..never seen it before!
that was when he was still amazing..before he started to come apart.
that video is proof that he overdieted to several of his olympia competitions..
insane calves.
there is no doubt that dorian was one of the best bodybuilders on earth and there are plenty of videos and real life experience to demonstrate it,,when it comes to genetics:what you do with this genetics ratio...dorian is by far by a mile the best bodybuilder to ever walk earth
His calves looked over 20 inches in that video.. Shocked
Fucking sick conditioning and mass.
Shit, I never thought Dorian was THIS good. He was amazing, the most impressive bodybuilder ever, without a doubt.
There's no doubt that Dorian is symmetrical. His body's just not "pretty".
Dont get me wrong, I'm a huge Dorian fan (Ronnie too).
Two totally different bodies.
This video destroyed any and all credibility Hulkster ever dreamed he had.
Hulkster, I'm not a fan of Ronnie's and Dorian's physiques, even if I own a couple of DVDS from each one, so I do have a totally unbiased opinion. To tell the truth, Dorian is far more impressive in that clip than Ronnie in "The Unbelievable"; minus the biceps, which are simply light years ahead on Coleman, Dorian owns Ronnie on every bodypart. Look at those calves, look at those tris, look how dry yet dense Dorian's muscles are; he's just way more complete than Ronnie ever was. I'm speaking of 1993 of course, after that year Dorian shouldn't have won any Mr O IMO. Ronnie may be the freakiest bodybuilder to ever enter a stage, but Dorian in that particular clip is just amazing.
and thats just on this thread lol you're done !!
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Peter McGough Ironage
June 06 , 2003
The later photos were taken in his gym about seven weeks before the 1993 Olympia. He'd just finished a chest workout and he weighed 269 pounds. If I had to rate my most memorable bodybuilding moment the sight of Dorian that day would be neck-and-neck with the first time I saw Sergio. He hit the first shot, double biceps, and I walked up to him and said, "Don't worry Dorian. You have plenty of time to fix this. All is not lost."
I told him he could walk on to the Olympia stage in that condition weighing 269 pounds, untanned, with his socks on and still win.
insult to injury !
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Fine. Great. He won Mr. Olympia 6 times. Still an ugly-ass physique!
tell me about it..
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tell me about it..
No one ever said Dorian was pretty.
Luckily, BB isn't judged on "prettiness"
Otherwise Bob Paris would be a multiple Mr. O.
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No one ever said Dorian was pretty.
Luckily, BB isn't judged on "prettiness"
Otherwise Bob Paris would be a multiple Mr. O.
Luckily? Are you fuckin' kiddin' me!?!?
That's exactly why bodybuilding is so grotesque today.
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dorian is best bodybuilder in this planet when you know where he came from in the genetic pool,,so he is the best in relashion to what god gave him,,,
now there is no bodybuilder in the world that ever looked better than ron coleman 2003,,it was unhuman and i dont know how he pulled it most likley because he belong in the highest of the highest in the genetic pool
overall you cant compare the 2 ,,one is white one is black,,different body shapes,,different strngths and almost no weaknessess,,its up for personal favorite
dorian did look more hansome in this particular video footage than 99% of bodybuilders,,very handsome in that footage,,i have yet to see someone that look good in face that carry that weight on him so he wins on that big time
its basically ron arnold dorian in no particular order followed closely behind by sergio and haney in no particular order IN MY OPINION
gh15 has spoken...... the truth.
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Dorian looks incredible in this footage and in my opinion would have easily been the 2007 Mr. Olympia in that form...I also think in this form he could have pushed Ronnie of 2003 more than just about anyone else (other than previous versions of Ronnie). But I would still give the edge to Ronnie in 2003 due to superior size.
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I can't argue with those shots; he was looking pretty incredible and I'm not even a huge Dorian fan. That said, I will never understand how people here swear up and down that he deserved to win the O in '96 and '97. Pure travesty. I'm beating a dead horse, I know, but I just had to say it.
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I can't argue with those shots; he was looking pretty incredible and I'm not even a huge Dorian fan. That said, I will never understand how people here swear up and down that he deserved to win the O in '96 and '97. Pure travesty. I'm beating a dead horse, I know, but I just had to say it.
(http://www.mmpower.de/images/Dorian%20Yates01.jpg)
(http://www.ifbb.com/halloffame/2003/DorianYates2.jpg)
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Luckily? Are you fuckin' kiddin' me!?!?
That's exactly why bodybuilding is so grotesque today.
Personal preference.
I like the tank look myself.
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This is pretty good. Three weeks pre-olympia 1993
holy cow thats insane . i was at the 03 O and I'm a huge ronnie fan but even he cant touch this , yates arms are huge and his calves mindblowing ! no way could big ron touch him.
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holy cow thats insane . i was at the 03 O and I'm a huge ronnie fan but even he cant touch this , yates arms are huge and his calves mindblowing ! no way could big ron touch him.
LOL, nice first post you imposture
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LOL, nice first post you imposture
It's spelled "impostor" you dumbass. It is amazing that this fag has the courage to try to give lectures on English to people... :-X
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It's spelled "impostor" you dumbass. It is amazing that this fag has the courage to try to give lectures on English to people... :-X
SUCKMYMUSCLE
owned ;)
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holy cow thats insane . i was at the 03 O and I'm a huge ronnie fan but even he cant touch this , yates arms are huge and his calves mindblowing ! no way could big ron touch him.
Ha Ha Ha and what a Great first post !
Hulkster = owned
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Awesome calves, but way over-developed for his body. Insane back & hams. But weak biceps, no chest thickness and shitty quad sweep/separation. Ronnie at his best BRUTALLY destroys Dorian.
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I notice this Hulkster character is still dedicating his life to Mr Coleman. It's sad to see a man so obsessed in this way - very difficult to comprehend. Seriously, I am not trying to be flippant here. I've seen people like this before, they do invarioubly reach a state that you fellows refer to as 'meltdown'.
To not be able to give Dorian credit for those shots shows a clear lack of any fiber to the man whatsoever. Ronnie looks great in those gym shots but as has been pointed out, they have been tampered with - photoshopped i believe?
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I notice this Hulkster character is still dedicating his life to Mr Coleman. It's sad to see a man so obsessed in this way - very difficult to comprehend. Seriously, I am not trying to be flippant here. I've seen people like this before, they do invarioubly reach a state that you fellows refer to as 'meltdown'.
To not be able to give Dorian credit for those shots shows a clear lack of any fiber to the man whatsoever. Ronnie looks great in those gym shots but as has been pointed out, they have been tampered with - photoshopped i believe?
You're going to comment on someone's mental stability with a name like "anal discharge"? The irony...
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You're going to comment on someone's mental stability with a name like "anal discharge"? The irony...
I'm not going to, I just did. I am comfortable in my mental state and as such able to comment as I see fit.
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Awesome calves, but way over-developed for his body. Insane back & hams. But weak biceps, no chest thickness and shitty quad sweep/separation. Ronnie at his best BRUTALLY destroys Dorian.
Weak biceps and no chest thickness? I mean are we watching the same vid? and Ronnie doesn't come close to that never mind ' BRUTALLY destroys ' it Yates has near perfect balance & proportion , he's massive everywhere he looks fantastic from every angle he is for all intents & purposes without flaws sure you can knitpick but he's much more complete and in better condition at that weight than Ronnie at a similar weight
its no contest
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ugh
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You're going to comment on someone's mental stability with a name like "anal discharge"? The irony...
Where the fcvks your buddy DF?
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ugh
:)
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It should be duly noted that any thread regard Dorian or Ronnie or a comparison of the two, will result in a multiple page battle between Hulkster and Dorian.
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It should be duly noted that any thread regard Dorian or Ronnie or a comparison of the two, will result in a multiple page battle between Hulkster and Dorian.
No battle just Hulkster melting down lol
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Awesome calves, but way over-developed for his body. Insane back & hams. But weak biceps, no chest thickness and shitty quad sweep/separation. Ronnie at his best BRUTALLY destroys Dorian.
exactly what I have been saying
ND, are you reading this?
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I think Dorian's lats look thicker in the front lat spread.
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I think Dorian's lats look thicker in the front lat spread.
hard to say. but his front lat spread certainly lacks a lot of detail compared to Ronnie's.
ronnie took dorian's mass and added shape and detail.
he took the sport to the next level.
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Ronnie looks like utter shit in that picture.
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hard to say. but his front lat spread certainly lacks a lot of detail compared to Ronnie's.
ronnie took dorian's mass and added shape and detail.
he took the sport to the next level.
Keep telling yourself that.
No one ever comes along and says "Yeah, you're right"
It reminds me of the small child constantly reassuring himself.
You keep saying it to yourself.
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Keep telling yourself that.
No one ever comes along and says "Yeah, you're right"
It reminds me of the small child constantly reassuring himself.
You keep saying it to yourself.
lol no one ever says your right?
where the fuck have you been for 1500 pages on the truce thread, not to mention 4 million other threads on other boards like MD, muscle mecca etc. trashing dorian compared to Ronnie..links to all this stuff and quotes have been posted many times. pay attention next time!
dorian vs Ronnie is laughed at by the bb community as it is viewed correctly as not even being close - ronnie by a mile.
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hard to say. but his front lat spread certainly lacks a lot of detail compared to Ronnie's.
ronnie took dorian's mass and added shape and detail.
he took the sport to the next level.
His chest and upper body in general (sans the abs) are more detailed than Dorian's in the front lat spread. I would say Dorian has him on thigh separation, of of course calves. Overall I would give it to Ronnie in that pose because he looks more tapered than Dorian.
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Enough is enough. jeeeeeeeeeeezzzz
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thanks Figgs.
we can all see why the bb community laughs at the comparisons.
ronnie kills dorian at his best!
way better shape.
way better cuts.
way better detail
way better vascularity.
equal or better size.
any questions?
its a no brainer validated by millions of pics, videos, expert opinion and eyewitness testimony.
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thanks Figgs.
we can all see why the bb community laughs at the comparisons.
ronnie kills dorian at his best!
way better shape.
way better cuts.
way better detail
way better vascularity.
equal or better size.
any questions?
its a no brainer validated by millions of pics, videos, expert opinion and eyewitness testimony.
holy cow thats insane . i was at the 03 O and I'm a huge ronnie fan but even he cant touch this , yates arms are huge and his calves mindblowing ! no way could big ron touch him.
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Hulkster, I'm not a fan of Ronnie's and Dorian's physiques, even if I own a couple of DVDS from each one, so I do have a totally unbiased opinion. To tell the truth, Dorian is far more impressive in that clip than Ronnie in "The Unbelievable"; minus the biceps, which are simply light years ahead on Coleman, Dorian owns Ronnie on every bodypart. Look at those calves, look at those tris, look how dry yet dense Dorian's muscles are; he's just way more complete than Ronnie ever was. I'm speaking of 1993 of course, after that year Dorian shouldn't have won any Mr O IMO. Ronnie may be the freakiest bodybuilder to ever enter a stage, but Dorian in that particular clip is just amazing.
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England_1, why do you keep posting such a stupid quote?
that contains priceless gems like this:
Dorian owns Ronnie on every bodypart
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England_1, why do you keep posting such a stupid quote?
that contains priceless gems like this:
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It's only stupid because it makes you out to be the fool that you truly are ;)
Your stupidity is simply mind boggling and proves how little you know about BB'ing. Not only have you never even seen these pros in person, you also claimed that Yates lost the 93 olympia to Flex. WTF? How fucking stupid are you? Flex himself says Yates is untouchable, yet all-knowing Hulkster says Yates should have lost ::) Several posters have noted, specifically the poster who was at the 01asc and 93O, that Yates was superior. That holds a hell of a lot more credence than you have. You were probably still shitting your diapers in 1993. Go fuck Coleman in the ass.
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lol no one ever says your right?
where the fuck have you been for 1500 pages on the truce thread, not to mention 4 million other threads on other boards like MD, muscle mecca etc. trashing dorian compared to Ronnie..links to all this stuff and quotes have been posted many times. pay attention next time!
dorian vs Ronnie is laughed at by the bb community as it is viewed correctly as not even being close - ronnie by a mile.
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Yep.
Keep telling yourself that.
He who protests the loudest......
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This can't be all that complicated. Dorian has better calves (quite possibly the biggest in human history), abs, and okok and a slightly better back (more width, sharper xmas tree, middle back thickness.). That's it!! Delts, pecs, traps, arms and thighs are no comparison. Simply none whatsoever. Dorian has better shaped tris but they aren't nearly the same size as Ronnie's. Plus Ronnie is way stronger so his muscles are more functionable.
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It's over!! YAY!
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This can't be all that complicated. Dorian has better calves (quite possibly the biggest in human history), abs, and okok and a slightly better back (more width, sharper xmas tree, middle back thickness.). That's it!! Delts, pecs, traps, arms and thighs are no comparison. Simply none whatsoever. Dorian has more detailed triceps but they aren't nearly the same size as Ronnie's. Plus Ronnie is way stronger so his muscles are more functionable.
Errr,,, wrong mr mentzer.
Your trying to add up bodyparts to make a whole.
You cant do that.
Ronnie is incomplete and not balanced... his bi's overpower his whole arms,.. no calves, fucked up midsection, conditioning suffers at a higher bodyweight.... etc. etc.. need I go on?
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Errr,,, wrong mr mentzer.
Your trying to add up bodyparts to make a whole.
You cant do that.
Ronnie is incomplete and not balanced... his bi's overpower his whole arms,.. no calves, fucked up midsection, conditioning suffers at a higher bodyweight.... etc. etc.. need I go on?
Cut out the calves and Ronnie is more complete. He is better from every angle. Even with Dorian's insane back, Ronnie is more complete because his arms, delts, hams are up to par. Dorian's back, like his calves, are far too big for the rest of him. Truth is, minus those 2 muscles, he's nothing special. Yet Ronnie has phenominal everything but calves.
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It's spelled "impostor" you dumbass. It is amazing that this fag has the courage to try to give lectures on English to people... :-X
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I guess you're dumber than I thought. It's spelled two ways.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/imposture
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I would be willing to bet that England_1 has never seen the videos of the 99 olympia, esp. the prejuding.
dorian never ever came close to Ronnie at that level.
even an Englishman with bad teeth can admit that. LOL\
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Cut out the calves and Ronnie is more complete. He is better from every angle. Even with Dorian's insane back, Ronnie is more complete because his arms, delts, hams are up to par. Dorian's back, like his calves, are far too big for the rest of him. Truth is, minus those 2 muscles, he's nothing special. Yet Ronnie has phenominal everything but calves.
Again, you're trying to add up parts.
Dorian's parts all match up to each other... Ronnie is a conglomeration of exception bodyparts equaling to a less than stellar whole.
You can't say, well, throw so and so's arms on so and so's back with this that and the other, its going to look like a jumble.. which is ronnie.
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Again, you're trying to add up parts.
Dorian's parts all match up to each other... Ronnie is a conglomeration of exception bodyparts equaling to a less than stellar whole.
You can't say, well, throw so and so's arms on so and so's back with this that and the other, its going to look like a jumble.. which is ronnie.
you say they don't add up to a stellar whole, yet the truce thread has made it quite clear (as have the 'they must be fake becuase they are so much better than dorian' comments about the original 99 screencaps) that dorian LOSES EVERY mandatory pose EXCEPT the AB shot.
so much for less than a stellar whole:
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I would be willing to bet that England_1 has never seen the videos of the 99 olympia, esp. the prejuding.
dorian never ever came close to Ronnie at that level.
even an Englishman with bad teeth can admit that. LOL\
Don't waste your time, it's pubes with another name.
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Don't waste your time, it's pubes with another name.
hahaha pubes...here's this monster's pic you can see why he's an authority on BB.. :-X
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exactly what I have been saying
ND, are you reading this?
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exactly what you've been saying and its still exactly WRONG I don't care who types it ! ;)
I run the laundry list of flaws with Coleman
Quads dominating his injected undeveloped poor shaped calves that lack any separation or detail
Overdeveloped glutes that can actually been seen from the front
Narrow waist which showcases horrible abdominal shape and a protruding gut
Biceps/triceps that dominate his bowling pin shaped forearms
head to toe poor balance & proportion
Incomplete
Hulkster are you reading this? Dorian has much better balance & proportion , he's massive at 269 pounds , his conditioning & density are legendary and he's complete from head to toe , sorry sport Ronnie is lacking compared to this
You have NOTHING to work with you can't claim his biceps are to small , or his quads suck or he has torn muscles you have zero.
Game.............set.... ..........match ;)
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hard to say. but his front lat spread certainly lacks a lot of detail compared to Ronnie's.
ronnie took dorian's mass and added shape and detail.
he took the sport to the next level.
LMFAO he doesn't have Dorian's mass in that pic sport SORRY Dorian outweighs Ronnie by 22 pounds how does one take the sport to the next level when he's NOT as big NOT as complete and doesn't have Dorian's balance & proportion? I'll answer they don't
I love how you hyperfocus on Ronnie's assumed strengths and forget his major weaknesses compared to Dorian
Dorian has Ronnie in muscular size 269 pounds V 247 pounds
Dorian has Ronnie in muscular balance & proportion
Dorian has Ronnie in completeness
Dorian has Ronnie in density - conditioning may be equal
you always like to bitch about striations meaning he's better conditioned thats NOT always the case and Yates has plenty of striations in his chest ( see evidence ) just because they're not visible or evident in the front latspread doesn't mean he's not ripped
from head to toe front to back top to bottom Dorian crushes Ronnie based on the criteria the IFBB uses to judged contests you'd know this if you knew anything about competitive bodybuilding.
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Perfect example of Dorian's superiority in the balance & proportion department , couple that legendary conditioning & density and completeness and its obvious to anyone who knows how contests are judged Ronnie would go down faster than the U.S. dollar !
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Perfect example of Dorian's superiority in the balance & proportion department , couple that legendary conditioning & density and completeness and its obvious to anyone who knows how contests are judged Ronnie would go down faster than the U.S. dollar !
Hmm, here is my take on the Ronnie vs Dorian debate. If both bodybuilders were compared at their best, this would be my bodypart evaluation:
1. Back: Tie, both had outstanding back development, symmetry, detail and shape. Perhaps Ronnie was a bit better.
2. Chest: Ronnie > Dorian. Dorian has a weak chest due to high attachment on the rib-cage. Ronnies chest was outstanding
3. Biceps: Ronnie > Dorian. Ronnies biceps were high, detailed (even a very visible split) and big. Dorians were smaller and less detailed.
4. Triceps: Ronnie > Dorian
5. Delts: Ronnie > Dorian
6. Quads: Tie, although Ronnie perhaps had more separation, the shape was not pleasing compared to Dorian's
7. Calves: Dorian > Ronnie, no contest. Ronnie's calves were horrible and Dorian's among the best ever.
8. Hams/glutes : No opinion :-)
9. Forearms: Tie
Before Ronnie got to big for his own good, he had a small waist and better abs than Dorian, although he had a split that some may have considered odd. I found his overall physique pleasing.
Taken together, I think Ronnie was better than Dorian. If he had better calves, he would possibly have been the best bodybuilder ever. Perhaps he is, even with his high, small and undetailed calves?
CD
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Perhaps he is, even with his high, small and undetailed calves?
CD
No.
Diesel owns him.
(http://www.ironage.us/virtual/backs.jpg)
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England_1, why do you keep posting such a stupid quote?
Because you keep telling us to "take notice" any time someone says that Ronnie is better, but you completely ignore the posts from people who say that Dorian is owning Ronnie in this video. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I guess you're dumber than I thought. It's spelled two ways.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/imposture
The link is not working. Anyway, I checked my Webster Concise Heritage Dictionary, 1992 edition and I couldn't find the word "imposture" in it. Maybe it's a new word? Irrespective, I've never read this word in print before and I've never seen it be used in speach.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Hmm, here is my take on the Ronnie vs Dorian debate. If both bodybuilders were compared at their best, this would be my bodypart evaluation:
1. Back: Tie, both had outstanding back development, symmetry, detail and shape. Perhaps Ronnie was a bit better.
2. Chest: Ronnie > Dorian. Dorian has a weak chest due to high attachment on the rib-cage. Ronnies chest was outstanding
3. Biceps: Ronnie > Dorian. Ronnies biceps were high, detailed (even a very visible split) and big. Dorians were smaller and less detailed.
4. Triceps: Ronnie > Dorian
5. Delts: Ronnie > Dorian
6. Quads: Tie, although Ronnie perhaps had more separation, the shape was not pleasing compared to Dorian's
7. Calves: Dorian > Ronnie, no contest. Ronnie's calves were horrible and Dorian's among the best ever.
8. Hams/glutes : No opinion :-)
9. Forearms: Tie
Before Ronnie got to big for his own good, he had a small waist and better abs than Dorian, although he had a split that some may have considered odd. I found his overall physique pleasing.
Taken together, I think Ronnie was better than Dorian. If he had better calves, he would possibly have been the best bodybuilder ever. Perhaps he is, even with his high, small and undetailed calves?
CD
Your post is worthless. I stopped reading when you said that Ronnie has a lower attachment to the pectoralis muscles in the rib cage, when in reality Dorian has a lower attachment than Ronnie. You then "progressed" to saying that Ronnie has forearms that are as good as Dorian's, which is just retarded. Maybe at the 2003 Olympia when Ronnie was much bigger overral, but Ronnie's forearms in 1999 were tiny compared to Dorian's. As for triceps, define "better". Ronnie's triceps are higher than Dorian. If you're talking about triceps mass, then Ronnie did have more in 2003/4, but his triceps still looked terrible because they attach very high in the tendom.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Your post is worthless. I stopped reading when you said that Ronnie has a lower attachment to the pectoralis muscles in the rib cage, when in reality Dorian has a lower attachment than Ronnie. You then "progressed" to saying that Ronnie has forearms that are as good as Dorian's, which is just retarded. Maybe at the 2003 Olympia when Ronnie was much bigger overral, but Ronnie's forearms in 1999 were tiny compared to Dorian's. As for triceps, define "better". Ronnie's triceps are higher than Dorian. If you're talking about triceps mass, then Ronnie did have more in 2003/4, but his triceps still looked terrible because they attach very high in the tendom.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Hi. Thank you for offering your opinion. I was wrong about forearms- Dorians were more developed. Regarding pecs, I think you are wrong.
CD
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Hi. Thank you for offering your opinion. I was wrong about forearms- Dorians were more developed. Regarding pecs, I think you are wrong.
CD
The point of contention is that you argued that Dorian's pecs are higher than Ronnie, which is just wrong. Dorian's pecs attach lower in the rib cage than Ronnie's. Pec size is not what I was arguing about.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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England_1, why do you keep posting such a stupid quote?
that contains priceless gems like this:
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My quote is stupid Hulkster? Really? First, I've said that Dorian owns Ronnie on each bodypart MINUS THE BICEPS and I still think he does. I have yet to see Ronnie display such a grainy and dry look, most of all in the leg department. Not even mentioning that his calves are almost non-existing compared to Dorian's ones. Then I still think Dorian's triceps (pre-injury) are way better than Ronnie's ones. The back is a tie for me. Ronnie's lower back is better than Dorian's, but Dorian's is thicker in the middle back. Chest is better on Ronnie, as well as the biceps. But Dorian just kills Ronnie in the leg department (ratio leg development/quality-dryness). Then, this is a subjective "sport"; I repeat, I'm not a fan of their physiques, I still prefer more classic physiques like Ray, Labrada and Levrone and if you ask me I still think Ray and Wheeler at their best smoke both of them because they have absolutely no flaws. And who are the so-called experts that said that Ronnie was the greatest one? Those who gave Cutler the gift at the O this year? Come on, you know better than that. Don't get me wrong, I like Ronnie and respect what is has accomplished in the game. Was Ronnie the freakiest bodybuilder to enter a stage? Sure. Was he the most complete bodybuilder of all-time? Nope, neither was Dorian, but Yates was surely more complete than Ronnie ever was. Finally, I'm not on Getbig 24/7, but I can say for sure that you are obsessed with Ronnie Coleman as we can see by your need to post on and on the same pictures of him on every other thread. The question is: what are you going to do now that he has retired?
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The link is not working. Anyway, I checked my Webster Concise Heritage Dictionary, 1992 edition and I couldn't find the word "imposture" in it. Maybe it's a new word? Irrespective, I've never read this word in print before and I've never seen it be used in speach.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
LOL, so now the link doesn't work? You didn't see that word in your Webster Concise Heritage Dictionary, 1992 edition? Try using an up to date version of a dictionary. If you haven't seen that word before then you shouldn't be telling people how to spell. Here are a few more sources for that word:
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/imposture
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=39475&dict=CALD
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My quote is stupid Hulkster? Really? First, I've said that Dorian owns Ronnie on each bodypart MINUS THE BICEPS and I still think he does. I have yet to see Ronnie display such a grainy and dry look, most of all in the leg department. Not even mentioning that his calves are almost non-existing compared to Dorian's ones. Then I still think Dorian's triceps (pre-injury) are way better than Ronnie's ones. The back is a tie for me. Ronnie's lower back is better than Dorian's, but Dorian's is thicker in the middle back. Chest is better on Ronnie, as well as the biceps. But Dorian just kills Ronnie in the leg department (ratio leg development/quality-dryness). Then, this is a subjective "sport"; I repeat, I'm not a fan of their physiques, I still prefer more classic physiques like Ray, Labrada and Levrone and if you ask me I still think Ray and Wheeler at their best smoke both of them because they have absolutely no flaws. And who are the so-called experts that said that Ronnie was the greatest one? Those who gave Cutler the gift at the O this year? Come on, you know better than that. Don't get me wrong, I like Ronnie and respect what is has accomplished in the game. Was Ronnie the freakiest bodybuilder to enter a stage? Sure. Was he the most complete bodybuilder of all-time? Nope, neither was Dorian, but Yates was surely more complete than Ronnie ever was. Finally, I'm not on Getbig 24/7, but I can say for sure that you are obsessed with Ronnie Coleman as we can see by your need to post on and on the same pictures of him on every other thread. The question is: what are you going to do now that he has retired?
Oh snap.
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I think what Cool Duck meant by;
Ronnie has a lower attachment to the pectoralis muscles in the rib cage
is that Ronnie's pecs are longer than Yates which is true.
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LOL, so now the link doesn't work? You didn't see that word in your Webster Concise Heritage Dictionary, 1992 edition? Try using an up to date version of a dictionary. If you haven't seen that word before then you shouldn't be telling people how to spell. Here are a few more sources for that word:
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/imposture
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=39475&dict=CALD
No one uses "imposture", not even the British. And if I see a strange word that I've never seen before that resembles a lot a word that is of common usage, then I will assume that the strange word is the common word that was spelled incorrectly. This is common sense, and it is what most people would do.
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Dorian in 1993 = Mr. Olympia in 2007.
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Dorian in 1993 = Mr. Olympia in 2007.
Wouldn't have even been close, especially from the back!
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=214203;image)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieColeman68.jpg)
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My quote is stupid Hulkster? Really? First, I've said that Dorian owns Ronnie on each bodypart MINUS THE BICEPS and I still think he does. I have yet to see Ronnie display such a grainy and dry look, most of all in the leg department. Not even mentioning that his calves are almost non-existing compared to Dorian's ones. Then I still think Dorian's triceps (pre-injury) are way better than Ronnie's ones. The back is a tie for me. Ronnie's lower back is better than Dorian's, but Dorian's is thicker in the middle back. Chest is better on Ronnie, as well as the biceps. But Dorian just kills Ronnie in the leg department (ratio leg development/quality-dryness). Then, this is a subjective "sport"; I repeat, I'm not a fan of their physiques, I still prefer more classic physiques like Ray, Labrada and Levrone and if you ask me I still think Ray and Wheeler at their best smoke both of them because they have absolutely no flaws. And who are the so-called experts that said that Ronnie was the greatest one? Those who gave Cutler the gift at the O this year? Come on, you know better than that. Don't get me wrong, I like Ronnie and respect what is has accomplished in the game. Was Ronnie the freakiest bodybuilder to enter a stage? Sure. Was he the most complete bodybuilder of all-time? Nope, neither was Dorian, but Yates was surely more complete than Ronnie ever was. Finally, I'm not on Getbig 24/7, but I can say for sure that you are obsessed with Ronnie Coleman as we can see by your need to post on and on the same pictures of him on every other thread. The question is: what are you going to do now that he has retired?
Hulkster OWNED
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Have a look at those calves!! Where are Ronnie's calves?
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Have a look at those calves!! Where are Ronnie's calves?
Right here !
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Have a look at those calves!! Where are Ronnie's calves?
ronnie aint got none!
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No monsters for sure but much more in proportion
with the rest of his physique @ a lighter bodyweight.
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No monsters for sure but much more in proportion
with the rest of his physique @ a lighter bodyweight.
No they're not his calves looks more in proportion with his quads at the ASC for him still sucked and not even close in 99 Olympia sorry , quads were oversized in 99 and made his calves look tiny ontop of just sucking period , no diamond shape no separation or detail of the gastrocnemius inner & outter heads
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Toothpicks
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You have a great skill @ posting the worst pics you can find.
How's this one from the new vid of Yates where his left arm
looks very small. (Is this a true representation of his actual arm size?
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You have a great skill @ posting the worst pics you can find.
How's this one from the new vid of Yates where his left arm
looks very small. (Is this a true representation of his actual arm size?
Thats the worst pic I could find? my ass you guys were posting that on the truce thread and ohhh and ahhhing how great it was and now its the worst pic lol and you can't escape the fact that no matter if Ronnie's balance was good for HIM it was NEVER in the league of Dorian Yates
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I'm not referring to the muscletime pic although I wouldn't
ever use it. (I know they did on the Truce thread.)
I've never seen the other pics from 99 though.
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ohhh jeez ronnie could not shine dorians shoes in 93! oh myyyy his calves carry muscle then both of ronnies put together hahaha !
no contest, lucky for ronnie dorian came 10 yrs before him!
ronnie should have never been mr o with those toothpics , pathetic!
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ohhh jeez ronnie could not shine dorians shoes in 93! oh myyyy his calves carry muscle then both of ronnies put together hahaha !
no contest, lucky for ronnie dorian came 10 yrs before him!
ronnie should have never been mr o with those toothpics , pathetic!
lol
if that is your attitude, dorian should never had won the olympia with arms/upper body this bad:
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=214203;image)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieColeman68.jpg)
ronnies build looks stupid in that pic, so out of proportion !
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lol
if that is your attitude, dorian should never had won the olympia with arms/upper body this bad:
agreed, but dorian had yrs that ronnie will never touch!
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its all comes down to personal preference:
Bodybuilder? or Bricklayer?
8)
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its all comes down to personal preference:
Bodybuilder? or Bricklayer?
8)
Wow Hulkster showing his ignorance ( again ) NO it all comes down to who meets the criteria better , you'd know this if you knew anything about how competitive bodybuilding contests are judged
Muscular Bulk - Dorian 269 pounds - Ronnie 244 pounds - clear advantage to Dorian
Muscular Balance ( and proportion ) - Another clear advantage for Dorian
Conditioning - Dorian's conditioning is legendary although Ronnie 2001 ASC may be close enough to push
Density - Dorian although Ronnie 2001 may have came close albeit much lighter - advantage 269 pound Dorian
Completeness - Clear advantage for Dorian
Posing - Clear advantage to Dorian
add all that up and watch Dorian CRUSH little Ronnie with ease , Yates to many advantages and no flaws .
Ronnie & Hulkster owned
Class dismissed . ;)
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muscular bulk is not an advantage when your muscles have the piss poor ugly shape that dorian's do.
hope this helps.
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muscular bulk is not an advantage when your muscles have the piss poor ugly shape that dorian's do.
hope this helps.
Wow Hulkster changing the rules to suit his needs lol thats not how it works and Dorian doesn't need ' shape ' to beat those who do ;) Flex Wheeler shames Ronnie in terms of shape yet he was soundly defeated by Yates , ever wonder why? because of his overwhelming strengths thats how it works , you'd know this if you were savy like me in how competitive contests are judged but you're ignorant
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Ive Flipped the coin Dorian 93 was the Benchmark, Im going with Dorian
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Wow Hulkster changing the rules to suit his needs lol thats not how it works and Dorian doesn't need ' shape ' to beat those who do ;) Flex Wheeler shames Ronnie in terms of shape yet he was soundly defeated by Yates , ever wonder why? because of his overwhelming strengths thats how it works , you'd know this if you were savy like me in how competitive contests are judged but you're ignorant
dorian beat flex because of a major size advantage, lat thickness and width, an advantage he would NOT have against Ronnie 99.
its amazing that you call yourself a fan and yet still have no clue how this sport is judged or how it works..
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had flex been bigger, wider and a little drier at the olympia, well, he would have been basically Ronnie Coleman 1999.
and dorian would have gone home without the sandow.
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I think this video shows how much more complete a BB'er Dorian was. I think Ronnie is impressive in a "Paul Dillet" sorta way with great arms and quads but I think Dorian's body is more even while still keeping ungodly amounts of muscle.
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Have a look at those calves!! Where are Ronnie's calves?
Right here !
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=214228;image)
Nope. Actually they are right here:
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Ronnie at 287 pounds 5 weeks out with better seperation, striations, smaller waist, better V taper, rounder muscle bellies, drier, and out masses yates by 18 pounds.
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Ronnie at 287 pounds 5 weeks out with better seperation, striations, smaller waist, better V taper, rounder muscle bellies, drier, and out masses yates by 18 pounds.
Still looks like a mismatched bunch of parts thrown together.
Reminds me of Fux there.
Tragic.
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I think the standing relaxed pose says alot about the differences
in their physiques. I believe Shockwave said he liked the tank look.
Dorian has a very powerful, Herculean, look to him. Ronnie has a more tapered,
smaller waist, hips, classical look. They are about equal in mass overall @ their
primes. 93 vs 99. Dorian by many accounts has a harder look to his physique while Ronnie
has more separation and striations. Many have said that Dorian has a thicker bone
structure than Ronnie therefore even at the same weight Ronnie would carry more
muscle. Many say Ronnie in his prime has calves that are out of proportion
with the rest of his body while the other side claims the same for Dorian's arms.
I prefer the 1999 version of Ronnie because I like his V shape better and I
value separation and striations over hardness. I don't think this debate is going
to change very many people's minds but probably a few. I also think the same
mental/emotional traits that brought us to bodybuilding in the 1st place are the same
traits that won't allow this debate to end.
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That comparison is embarrassingly bad for Coleman :-X
Dorian's legs are BLOWING AWAY Ron's :-*
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Just watched the video again. Yep, Yates blows 'em away 8)
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Yea, That is a blurry pic of Ronnie so we'll
try a different leg shot... and because I'm a
nice guy I'll throw in a pic of Yates when he
really is in shape.
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Yea, That is a blurry pic of Ronnie so we'll
try a different leg shot... and because I'm a
nice guy I'll throw in a pic of Yates when he
really is in shape.
Hey Mr " nice guy " you think you accomplished anything with that comparison?
some points to ponder Dorian's footage is a compressed very poor quality Youtube screen capture , he's untanned , has no posing oil and no contest lighting and the Ronnie screen capture is from a DVD he's contest ready tanned , posing oil and contest light and you've admitted to ' adjusting ' pictures before so its safe to assume you've played with this one and you think you accomplished something ?
and your gift is a nice clear shot of Dorian when you say he's ' really in shape ' a year when his legs were down but still defined though again not an accurate comparison , and I'll bet the farm Dorian in that 93 vid is in just as good as shape as he was in 1996 .
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Yea, That is a blurry pic of Ronnie so we'll
try a different QUAD shot... and because I'm a
nice guy I'll throw in a pic of Yates when he
really is in shape.
I fixed that for you ;) and what good does it have in having any advantage in ' quads ' when your legs still lack any balance & proportion? its redundant the only real advantage Ronnie is is better separation of the rectus femoris and Yates is separated but Ronnie's is more visible but again Dorian's satorius and tensor fasciae latae are more separated than Ronnies so any advantage Ronnie has is lost in other areas , Hulkster was fond of clinging to just one area and claiming some ' victory ' but when all things are considered its a different story .
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what good does it have in having any advantage in ' quads ' when your legs still lack any balance & proportion?
that's like saying "what good is having balance and proportion when you lack size?" How many Mr. Olympias did Bob Paris win? Exactly. Don't downplay the importance of one criteria just to make your boy compare more favorably. Ronnie's thighs more than make up for his sub-par calves.
its redundant the only real advantage Ronnie is is better separation of the rectus femoris and Yates is separated but Ronnie's is more visible but again Dorian's satorius and tensor fasciae latae are more separated than Ronnies so any advantage Ronnie has is lost in other areas
Ronnie's thighs are bigger, more shapely, and have better separations and striations.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman5.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman111.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/Ronnie_Coleman_35a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman7.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman78.jpg)
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that's like saying "what good is having balance and proportion when you lack size?" How many Mr. Olympias did Bob Paris win? Exactly. Don't downplay the importance of one criteria just to make your boy compare more favorably. Ronnie's thighs more than make up for his sub-par calves.
Ronnie's thighs are bigger, more shapely, and have better separations and striations.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman5.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman111.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/Ronnie_Coleman_35a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman7.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman78.jpg)
Bigger, yes. Not a good thing. Looks out of proportion with his upper body and DWARFS his calves.
More seperated? Definatley. No argument there. Always holding water in his thighs though.
More shapely? BULLSHIT!
His legs look like fucked up turnips. For you to say his legs are more shapely shows that you drink the Ronnie kool-aid just as bad as Hulkster.
His legs look fucked up.
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that's like saying "what good is having balance and proportion when you lack size?" How many Mr. Olympias did Bob Paris win? Exactly. Don't downplay the importance of one criteria just to make your boy compare more favorably. Ronnie's thighs more than make up for his sub-par calves.
Ronnie's thighs are bigger, more shapely, and have better separations and striations.
that's like saying "what good is having balance and proportion when you lack size?" How many Mr. Olympias did Bob Paris win? Exactly. Don't downplay the importance of one criteria just to make your boy compare more favorably. Ronnie's thighs more than make up for his sub-par calves.
Bad analogy Bob Paris lacked size , conditioning Dorian doesn't . No Ronnie thighs don't make up for his sub-par calves thats fantasy on your part they only serve to ruin his leg balance WOW WEE he has big quads does he have balanced legs? NO does he have any development in his calves NO two strikes kid , Ronnie is incomplete there is no escaping that and no matter how great his thighs were thats still a major liability compared to someone who has better balance & proportion , someone with better density & conditioning and someone who is complete
Ronnie's thighs are bigger, more shapely, and have better separations and striations.
Ronnie's thighs are more bigger sure , more shapely ? thats a matter of taste I personally don't think so better separations ? NO true thats a fallacy you people keep claiming and its simply not true , with the exception of the rectus femoris which Ronnie has a clear advantage in Dorian shows just as good separation in the other areas of the quads and better separation of the satorius and tensor fasciae latae but you're like Hulkster and only count the pluses and forget the minuses
Bottom line Ronnie may have better quads but does he have better legs? NO and why? worse calves of any Mr Olympia ontop of being injected with something , they lack any development and separation couple that with no proportion in relation to the quads and Ronnie is behind period , stop trying to accumulate parts Hulkster does this constantly heed your own advice and stop trying to downplay the importance of ALL THE CRITERIA
the pictures you posted Ronnie has the advantage in muscular bulk but is that bulk conditioned bulk? does it show great density? NO he's very good but Dorian is 269 pounds bone dry & rock hard but we'll still give the bulk advantage to Ronnie
does he have a advantage in conditioning & density ? NO Dorian's conditioning is legendary and Ronnie's isn't , he may have come close or matched Yates for that bone dry & rock hard condition but only when he was very light 247 pounds the heavier Ronnie became the more his conditioning suffered for it , hence why Peter McGough said at the 2003 Olympia that he prefered Ronnie's 01 ASC showing specifically because he was ' harder or more detailed '
See this is one advantage that you people will never be able to counter and try and try you guys have lol is balance & proportion there is NO contest between the two and never will be Ronnie is a collection of massive parts by his own admission his goal was to develop all the muscles to their maximum size potential regardless if they didn't match up proportion wise
Dorian would beat Ronnie because he has clear advantages in conditioning & density , balance & proportion , completeness and having the fewest flaws , Ronnie depending on the year has a clear size advantage but he's lacking in to many areas to beat Dorian , any size advantage would be rendered moot.
I love how people always break it down to parts , " Ronnie has better quads " but does Ronnie have a better abdominal and thigh pose? NO " Ronnie has a better chest " does Ronnie have a better side chest pose? NO " Ronnie has better arms " does Ronnie have a better side triceps shot? NO Dorian despite his flaws still looks outstanding in most of the mandatory poses , he has wider hips & waist than Ronnie and Coleman has the edge in taper but does Coleman have a better front latspread? NO
Ronnie does have some advantages in parts , clear cut advantages but overall does his parts make the superior whole? NO and why? they're always lacking in that balance & proportion .
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Bad analogy Bob Paris lacked size , conditioning Dorian doesn't.
Bob Paris lacked size relative to other top bodybuilders. Similarly, Dorian's thighs lacked size compared to another top olympia, Ronnie. Dorian's quads were narrow from the front and almost overpowered by his calves. My analogy still stands.
No Ronnie thighs don't make up for his sub-par calves thats fantasy on your part they only serve to ruin his leg balance WOW WEE he has big quads does he have balanced legs? NO does he have any development in his calves NO two strikes kid , Ronnie is incomplete there is no escaping that and no matter how great his thighs were thats still a major liability compared to someone who has better balance & proportion , someone with better density & conditioning and someone who is complete
wow, you're a dumbass. Everyone marvel at how balanced Dorian's legs are!!! Let's forget that criteria like muscular bulk, separations, striations, and shape don't matter. ::)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates31.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman5.jpg)
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I'll keep the Ronnie/Yates debate on the Truce thread.
This may be an interesting read for you all from Peter McGough
at Ironage. Although I think Peter may be a little biased
concerning Dorian; (Heck they are friends as well as countrymen)
he also gained respect with alot of people when implying Coleman
POSSIBLY could have been the best of all time @ the 2001 AC.
That may be a good question for ND to ask him since he posts over there.
(Whether Peter meant on stage or anytime.)
From Peter:
I'm amazed a video exists and it has taken this long to surface The shoot was in July 1993 SEVEN (not 3) weeks out from the Mr. O and Dorian weighed 269 pounds. The only people at the shoot were Kevin Horton (photographing it), Kerry Kayes, Stuart Cosgrove (Dorian's physio) Dorian's wife Debbie and me and my wife Anne. (Oh, and a guy called Dorian Yateds was there.) Dorian was pretty insistent about a closed set so the video really surprises me. I'm thinking Stuart must have shot it without anyone knowing and somehow it found its way to Roger Shelley who was also friend of Stuart and they lived in the same area. I'm sure Dorian doesn't know it exists otherwise he would have used it before now.
At the '93 Dorian came in at 257 pounds and he caused a sensation but I still say that had he kept at 269 -- dropped a little water -- he would have caused an even bigger sensation. He agrees. And he I, Stuart, Kevin and Kerry say that we ere the lucky few who saw Dorian Yates (on that day seven weeks out from the O) at his greatest ever.
A different topic but still a pretty interesting read from Peter concerning Yates.
1) Lee Haney was definitely the winner in ’91. He was in his best-ever shape, full and hard (not as hard as ’84 but bigger and fuller). He also dominated the event in exuding the confidence and the demeanor of an unbeatable champ. His posing to Excalibur (to which he also posed in ’84) was in my opinion one of the most rousing posing exhibitions ever.
2) Dorian did win the second round (muscularity), but knew after the prejudging that Haney deserved to win. Jeff, do you remember when Dorian and Lee were engaged in their first muscular comparison (with Vince Taylor) and they did the rear lat spread, Dorian’s left lat didn’t flex? Dorian didn’t realize it at the time. Later Dorian and Lee were called for the last comparison.
3) The morning after the contest Lee Haney told me that having seen pics of Dorian from the previous May’s NOC, was a motivating factor in him getting into the shape he did. Not the sole motivator, but one of them. The main one being his need to go out at his all-time best.
4) Dorian is sometimes highlighted as the guy who ended the Ironage. However in training spirit, in working balls-to-the-wall for every ounce of muscle, he personified the work ethic approach of the Ironage.
5) In 1993 Dorian won the O weighing (257 pounds), 15 pounds heavier than ’92 – where he had been over-depleted, so the 15-pound gain wasn’t "genuine". He should have been heavier in ’92.
6) Dorian’s O bodyweights were:
’92: 242 pounds
’93: 257 pounds
’94: 260 pounds
’95: 255 pounds
’96: 257 pounds
’97: 265 pounds
So from ’93 onwards his bodyweight didn’t increase that much. He wasn’t involved in a crazy annual race for more size.
7) Against the background of ever more and more exotic drugs coming into b/b, it is interesting that Dorian would be in shape two weeks out, having lost all the bodyfat he needed to. From then on he would manipulate his water and sodium levels in the last 72 hours, and invariably be the hardest man onstage. He did all this while retaining his energy levels, was never close to passing out, and didn’t understand why other guys had to resort to "voodoo methods" (his words) in the last few days before a contest.
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Bob Paris lacked size relative to other top bodybuilders. Similarly, Dorian's thighs lacked size compared to another top olympia, Ronnie. Dorian's quads were narrow from the front and almost overpowered by his calves. My analogy still stands.
wow, you're a dumbass. Everyone marvel at how balanced Dorian's legs are!!! Let's forget that criteria like muscular bulk, separations, striations, and shape don't matter. ::)
Bob Paris lacked size relative to other top bodybuilders. Similarly, Dorian's thighs lacked size compared to another top olympia, Ronnie. Dorian's quads were narrow from the front and almost overpowered by his calves. My analogy still stands.
WRONG , wrong and oh wrong , Paris didn't lack size relative to other top bodybuilders that another ignorant claim of yours , Paris was 226 pounds at the 1988 Mr Olympia compared to Strydom who was the same height and weighed just 3 more pounds he was one of the heavier competitors at the 88 Olympia
Dorian's quads lack size it doesn't matter , stop clinging to parts wow Ronnie's quads are bigger who cares? do his legs have great balance & proportion ? NO does his gigantic quads help his ab-dominal and thigh pose? NO
wow, you're a dumbass. Everyone marvel at how balanced Dorian's legs are!!! Let's forget that criteria like muscular bulk, separations, striations, and shape don't matter. ::)
I'm talking about Dorian at his best which is in this video 269 pounds bone dry & rock hard , near flawless balance & proportion , NO weaknesses and its not just his legs that are balanced its his whole physique top to bottom , and you people love to go on about separations how about the separations in Ronnie's calves? Oppps thats right he doesn't have any , what about his back ? the heavier he got the separation goes bye bye in his back 2003 Olympia his back lacked that great separation it had when he was lighter , what about his midsection does it show great separation in the abdominals? serattus , intercostals? NO
Striations another paper advantage and why? Dorian has striated pics , triceps , intercostals , obliques , glutes , and striated lower lats and erector spinae that Ronnie would never match yet you people cling to this bull shit claim because Ronnie may have more he's better NONSENSE
Dorian beats Ronnie 2001 because he much bigger , has equal if not better conditioning & density , has much better balance & proportion , is more complete and is a better technical poser
Dorian beats Ronnie 2003 because he has 95% of Ronnie size , much better conditioning & density , much better balance & proportion , is more complete and is a better technical poser
Pick a year Dorian satisfies the criteria better than Ronnie , right off the bat Balance & proportion is on Dorian's side any year you pick against Ronnie , depending on the year Dorian is better conditioned and has better density than Ronnie , although Ronnie may have equaled him when he was much lighter , Dorian depending on the year is bigger , I mean any year you pick you're fucked because Dorian has advantages
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Bob Paris lacked size relative to other top bodybuilders. Similarly, Dorian's thighs lacked size compared to another top olympia, Ronnie. Dorian's quads were narrow from the front and almost overpowered by his calves. My analogy still stands.
wow, you're a dumbass. Everyone marvel at how balanced Dorian's legs are!!! Let's forget that criteria like muscular bulk, separations, striations, and shape don't matter. ::)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates31.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman5.jpg)
lol look at that.
comparing dorian's quads to ronnie's is like comparing horse shit to ice cream.. :-\
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lol look at that.
comparing dorian's quads to ronnie's is like comparing horse shit to ice cream.. :-\
Keep trying to add up parts kid ;) maybe someday Ronnie will come close to Dorian Yates
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Keep trying to add up parts kid ;) maybe someday Ronnie will come close to Dorian Yates
ironic since Ronnie has won 8 olympias, and more wins than anyone else alive..
and dorian won 6 Os and could not cut the mustard to win the Arnold.
dorian's post tear condition would have lost the Arnold to some of the versions of Flex and Kevin that showed up at the AC over the years..
they always seemed to peak for the Arnold, and could not get it together for the O.
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ironic since Ronnie has won 8 olympias, and more wins than anyone else alive..
and dorian won 6 Os and could not cut the mustard to win the Arnold.
dorian's post tear condition would have lost the Arnold to some of the versions of Flex and Kevin that showed up at the AC over the years..
they always seemed to peak for the Arnold, and could not get it together for the O.
You type as if the Arnold means anything , Dorian said he was never interested in competing in the Arnold because there was ONE contest and that was the Olympia , he would do the euro tour after the Olympia and ride his Olympia conditioning out and earn some extra cash but he had no desire to compete in any other the early shows
and his competitive record is impressive but is his win/loss ratio? ;) your typical move mistaking quantity with quality , Dorian dominated everyone , Ronnie had many close calls with ho-hum competition guys past their prime
Ronnie never faced anyone of Dorian's caliber someone who could match him for size and width and back who was better conditioned and was more complete and had balance & proportion that Ronnie could only dream of , Dorian is Ronnie's worse nightmare
Flex and Ronnie faced each other I believe 12 times with both beating each other six times , Dorian beat Flex every time they faced each other
Dorian 88% win/loss
Ronnie 40%
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You type as if the Arnold means anything , Dorian said he was never interested in competing in the Arnold because there was ONE contest and that was the Olympia , he would do the euro tour after the Olympia and ride his Olympia conditioning out and earn some extra cash but he had no desire to compete in any other the early shows
and his competitive record is impressive but is his win/loss ratio? ;) your typical move mistaking quantity with quality , Dorian dominated everyone , Ronnie had many close calls with ho-hum competition guys past their prime
Ronnie never faced anyone of Dorian's caliber someone who could match him for size and width and back who was better conditioned and was more complete and had balance & proportion that Ronnie could only dream of , Dorian is Ronnie's worse nightmare
Flex and Ronnie faced each other I believe 12 times with both beating each other six times , Dorian beat Flex every time they faced each other
Dorian 88% win/loss
Ronnie 40%
Dorian is the New England Patriots to Ronnie's Indianapolis Colts.
Hahaha.
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Dorian is the New England Patriots to Ronnie's Indianapolis Colts.
Hahaha.
Great analogy. :)
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Dorian's quads lack size it doesn't matter , stop clinging to parts wow Ronnie's quads are bigger who cares? do his legs have great balance & proportion ? NO does his gigantic quads help his ab-dominal and thigh pose? NO
to use your argument against you, do Dorian's legs have great separations and striations? No. If they did, he wouldn't have to turn them outwards in every front pose to display his inner thighs. He has good definition in his sartorius muscle and that's it. Whoop-tee-f*cking-doo!
I'm talking about Dorian at his best which is in this video 269 pounds bone dry & rock hard
ha ha ha ha. Sorry, but "bone dry and rock hard" doesn't look like the Pillsbury Doughboy. Where are the cuts?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=213159;image)
(http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/pillsbury_doughboy.jpg)
this is what dry and shredded looks like.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Andreas%20Munzer/AndreasMunzer7a.jpg)
you people love to go on about separations how about the separations in Ronnie's calves? Oppps thats right he doesn't have any
???
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RC1002a.jpg)
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"bone dry and rock hard" ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=213255;image)
(http://www.pbones.com/images/blobimages/20060702doughboy.jpg)
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to use your argument against you, do Dorian's legs have great separations and striations? No. If they did, he wouldn't have to turn them outwards in every front pose to display his inner thighs. He has good definition in his sartorius muscle and that's it. Whoop-tee-f*cking-doo!
ha ha ha ha. Sorry, but "bone dry and rock hard" doesn't look like the Pillsbury Doughboy. Where are the cuts?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=213159;image)
(http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/pillsbury_doughboy.jpg)
this is what dry and shredded looks like.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Andreas%20Munzer/AndreasMunzer7a.jpg)
???
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RC1002a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman30.jpg)
Hi Hulkster.
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Hi Hulkster.
hey ND
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Dorian's legs were weird looking period, they lacked the classic sweep and separation that EVERY elite BBer(except him) possesses. and his calves were too big for his quads/hams. So much for perfect balance.
His chest was weak, as were his bi's(later bi) . so much for perfect balance
He was the first bber i ever saw that I said "why is is stomach so big?" so much for perfect balance.
He was all back and calves, every other bodypart he had lagged way behind. so much for perfect balance
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hey ND
Haha. Im too random to be ND.
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Haha. Im too random to be ND.
I post in the religious section and placed 3rd in the Mr. Getbig. I'm not Hulkster.
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"bone dry and rock hard" ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=213255;image)
(http://www.pbones.com/images/blobimages/20060702doughboy.jpg)
so very true.
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I post in the religious section and placed 3rd in the Mr. Getbig. I'm not Hulkster.
I know you're not. I was just pointing out how eerily close you're posts were sounding to Hulksters.
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to use your argument against you, do Dorian's legs have great separations and striations? No. If they did, he wouldn't have to turn them outwards in every front pose to display his inner thighs. He has good definition in his sartorius muscle and that's it. Whoop-tee-f*cking-doo!
ha ha ha ha. Sorry, but "bone dry and rock hard" doesn't look like the Pillsbury Doughboy. Where are the cuts?
this is what dry and shredded looks like.
???
to use your argument against you, do Dorian's legs have great separations and striations? No. If they did, he wouldn't have to turn them outwards in every front pose to display his inner thighs. He has good definition in his sartorius muscle and that's it. Whoop-tee-f*cking-doo!
Wow you certainly proved me wrong ::) points to ponder commit these to memory , Dorian is untanned , he has no posing oil , he doesn't have the advantage of contest lighting even without all that Dorian is still fucking outstanding , but you think you've proved a point by posting a contest ready , tanned , posing oil Coleman DVD screen grab ::) wow you're certainly taking everything into consideration of course not bias prevents you from doing so
And to answer your question Dorian's legs have great separations starting with his qaudriceps Dorian shows excellent separation and development of the vastus lateralis and vastus medialis , he shows good separation of the rectus femoris but this is one area of the quads Ronnie shows better separation , now another area that you keep dismissing because you see what you want is Dorian showing better separation in the satorius and tensor fasciae latae
Lets move onto hamstrings everyone goes one about Ronnie's hams and he has good one but Dorian shows great separation of the of the biceps femoris , semimembranosus and semitendinosus
moving onto calves despite what Hulkster says , Ronnie is in no way shape or form compatable with Dorian , Dorian shows outstanding development and separation of the gastrocnemius inner & outer heads , great separation of the soleus and , tibialis
Overall this is key pay attention , Dorian's legs have better balance & proportion , his quads match up perfectly with his calves and his hams complement his quads especially when viewed from the side , Ronnie especially when he's heavier carries a ton of size in his quads and from the side they dominate his hams , again overall Dorians legs have advantages over Ronnie just like the rest of his physique
Again lets say Ronnie's quads are just leaps & bounds better is his abdominal & thigh better than Yates? NO thats how it works kid , learn this.
ha ha ha ha. Sorry, but "bone dry and rock hard" doesn't look like the Pillsbury Doughboy. Where are the cuts?
this is what dry and shredded looks like.
More points to ponder , you CAN NOT ascertain Dorian's level of conditioning based on such an inaccurate means , compressed video , untanned , no posing oil , etc oh and keep in mind the army of people who said Dorian looks ' light years ahead of the way he does in pics & video ' and then your critique Dorian is soft or looks like dough is nothing more than biased propaganda aimed at proving a point to make you secure in ignorant opinion
Seeing the means of ascertaining Dorian's conditioning is out of our reach we have to rely on eyewitness testimony and the Dorian gained a reputation for legendary conditioning , now once again you think ONLY striations mean great conditioning and thats a fallacy , and ontop of that Dorian has many striations again , pecs , triceps , delts , intercostals , obliques , traps , lower lats , erector spinae , the highwater mark for conditioning is density and what is density?
Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
Muscle hardness sound familiar? Dorian is renowned for his muscle hardness and notice where it says muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized , which is exatly what made Dorian's conditioning legendary , being dry is great being bone dry & rock hard is where is the epitome of great conditioning , this is what you people cannot grasp , Ronnie showed this outstandning combo of conditioning in 1998 and 2001 but he was just 247 pounds , Dorian has that rock hard conditioning at 269 pounds a feat Ronnie wasn't really able to accomplish the heavier he became the more his conditioning suffered
Peter McGough on Dorian's conditioning at 269 pounds
' He was 269 pounds of rock-hard shapely (yes, shapely) head-to-toe muscle. '
So please don't refer to Dorian as ' soft ' or ' doughy ' because when you do you scream " Look how ignorant I am about conditioning and competitive bodybuilding "
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"bone dry and rock hard" ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=213255;image)
(http://www.pbones.com/images/blobimages/20060702doughboy.jpg)
yeah you would know because you were there ::) and you know what rock hard is ::) Mr Ignorant claims Dorian's legendary conditioning was a myth and due to poor skin ::) and you based your ' opinion ' off a compressed video of an untanned , no oil and no contest lighting Dorian who everyone and their brother says looks light years ahead of the way he does in pics & video , you're not biased ::)
lets take it from some one who was there ;)
Peter McGough on Dorian's conditioning at 269 pounds
' He was 269 pounds of rock-hard shapely (yes, shapely) head-to-toe muscle. '
rock hard , I guess that shuts your ignorant opinion up in about 2 seconds flat
Neo you'll never be in my league , just like Hulkster and pumpster you people are NOT operating on my level.
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ND you are missing the point.
his condition was not a myth.
but his condition was NEVER compared to the super ripped dryness of a 99 Ronnie Coleman either.
like I said, ronnie took it to a new level:
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just look at that.
ronnie 99 took being ripped to a whole different level than the early 90's champ ever did.
its just called progress.
thats the reality of the situation.
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ND you are missing the point.
his condition was not a myth.
but his condition was NEVER compared to the super ripped dryness of a 99 Ronnie Coleman either.
like I said, ronnie took it to a new level:
NO you're missing the point , YOU yourself claimed Dorian's conditioning was a myth period , now you're reduced to backpeddling
Dorian was ripped , he had striations , pecs , triceps , obliques , intercostals , glutes , lower lats erector spinae and now this is where you get OWNED he had all that PLUS Density get it ? DENSITY is the highwater mark for conditioning its a step beyond being dry its highly prized
Dorian 269 pounds bone dry & ROCK HARD couple that with his superior balance & proportion and his completeness and better posing and you have a defeated Coleman , you can't and never will be able to counter that .
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NO you're missing the point , YOU yourself claimed Dorian's conditioning was a myth period , now you're reduced to backpeddling
Dorian was ripped , he had striations , pecs , triceps , obliques , intercostals , glutes , lower lats erector spinae and now this is where you get OWNED he had all that PLUS Density get it ? DENSITY is the highwater mark for conditioning its a step beyond being dry its highly prized
Dorian 269 pounds bone dry & ROCK HARD couple that with his superior balance & proportion and his completeness and better posing and you have a defeated Coleman , you can't and never will be able to counter that .
LOL its amazing how unintelligent you are.
you don't seem to understand that all of that CAN BE TRUE and yet dorian STILL WAS NOT AS GOOD, NOR AS DRY OR RIPPED AS 99 RONNIE.
you are comparing two different time periods.
what was groundbreaking in 93 was not necessarily the same in 99:
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just look at that.
ronnie 99 took being ripped to a whole different level than the early 90's champ ever did.
its just called progress.
thats the reality of the situation.
You're full of shit ripped doesn't mean DENSE Dorian is the epitome of DRYNESS & DENSITY balance & proportion , completeness and size Ronnie never matched Dorian's overall package who has since 1993?
Coleman gains ten pounds from 98 - 99 and bye . bye density , Dorian 269 pounds dry & dense with balance Ronnie never had the sport stopped in 1993 kid Ronnie would need to be reborn with better genetics to progress beyond Yates
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LOL its amazing how unintelligent you are.
you don't seem to understand that all of that CAN BE TRUE and yet dorian STILL WAS NOT AS GOOD, NOR AS DRY OR RIPPED AS 99 RONNIE.
you are comparing two different time periods.
what was groundbreaking in 93 was not necessarily the same in 99:
You bitch about someone's intelligence and then what do you do moron? compare a DVD screencap to a magazine scan lol you're such an idiot
dry & ripped are the same thing you fucking moron lol density & dry are NOT
Ronnie 257 pounds dry not rock hard
Dorian 269 pounds dry & ROCK HARD
Ronnie 257 pounds - mediocre balance & proportion
Dorian 269 pounds - outstanding balance & proportion
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Super ripped & ROCK HARD pecs , intercostals , delts , oblqiues , lower lats , erector spinae , traps , couple that with triceps and glutes and you're fucked . ;)
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Hey ND,
This is cool because I seriously want to know how exactly
Dorian is more dense than Ronnie. I mentioned in two different
threads for someone to explain the definition of grainy and I didn't
get one response. I don't really care about battling about who's better
or not but I do want you to give me a definition of density and explain
why Dorian is denser than Ronnie.
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I honestly want to understand where you are coming from when it comes to density.
I don't understand this quote at all. "Coleman gains ten pounds from 98 - 99 and bye . bye density."
I know you have a knowledge of the human muscular system and the names of all the muscles
but I'm very curious to hear this explained.
Your picture you posted of Ronnie 98-99
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Not this shit again............ >:(
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I honestly want to understand where you are coming from when it comes to density.
I don't understand this quote at all. "Coleman gains ten pounds from 98 - 99 and bye . bye density."
I know you have a knowledge of the human muscular system and the names of all the muscles
but I'm very curious to hear this explained.
Your picture you posted of Ronnie 98-99
Epic gyno and turnip quads stacked on sticks.
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Epic gyno and turnip quads stacked on sticks.
Thanks for clearing that up for me Shock. You answered my serious questions
with an answer that makes everything clear to me.
I honestly think ND will give a good descriptive answer whether I agree or not.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me Shock. You answered my serious questions
with an answer that makes everything clear to me.
I honestly think ND will give a good descriptive answer whether I agree or not.
I wasn't answering your questions, smartass, I was pointing out the first things I noticed when I saw those photos.
Honestly I am not eloquent enough to describe the density issue to you.
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Wow you certainly proved me wrong points to ponder commit these to memory , Dorian is untanned , he has no posing oil , he doesn't have the advantage of contest lighting even without all that Dorian is still fucking outstanding , but you think you've proved a point by posting a contest ready , tanned , posing oil Coleman DVD screen grab wow you're certainly taking everything into consideration of course not bias prevents you from doing so
wtf are you talking about? I posted a blurry screen cap of an untanned Ronnie with no posing oil or contest lighting, and he still beats Dorian. So quit making excuses.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman5.jpg)
And to answer your question Dorian's legs have great separations starting with his qaudriceps Dorian shows excellent separation and development of the vastus lateralis and vastus medialis , he shows good separation of the rectus femoris but this is one area of the quads Ronnie shows better separation , now another area that you keep dismissing because you see what you want is Dorian showing better separation in the satorius and tensor fasciae latae
ha ha ha ha
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates82.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates50.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates41.jpg)
Lets move onto hamstrings everyone goes one about Ronnie's hams and he has good one but Dorian shows great separation of the of the biceps femoris , semimembranosus and semitendinosus
Ronnie destroys Dorian in hamstrings. It's not even close.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/1995Mr-2.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Prejudging3a.jpg)
moving onto calves despite what Hulkster says , Ronnie is in no way shape or form compatable with Dorian , Dorian shows outstanding development and separation of the gastrocnemius inner & outer heads , great separation of the soleus and , tibialis
I've never argued that Ronnie's calves were better. So you won't hear any disagreement from me.
Peter McGough on Dorian's conditioning at 269 pounds[
' He was 269 pounds of rock-hard shapely (yes, shapely) head-to-toe muscle. '
here's another quote from the same guy.
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
So please don't refer to Dorian as ' soft ' or ' doughy ' because when you do you scream " Look how ignorant I am about conditioning and competitive bodybuilding "
ditto. ;)
Jim Stoppani – Flex Magazine, July 2005
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/RonnieStats.jpg)
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I honestly want to understand where you are coming from when it comes to density.
I don't understand this quote at all. "Coleman gains ten pounds from 98 - 99 and bye . bye density."
I know you have a knowledge of the human muscular system and the names of all the muscles
but I'm very curious to hear this explained.
Your picture you posted of Ronnie 98-99
ND likes to go on about how coleman lost density and detail from 98 to 99, but cannot produce a single shread of visual evidence to substantiate this claim.
in fact, the visual evidence shows Ronnie being HARDER and DRYER in 99 than in 98:
and there are lots of quotes to corroberate the visual evidence.
peter McGough disagreed, but clearly is incorrect. Other eyewitnesses (like Lonnie Teper from ironman and ronnie himself at the 99 contest) have stated that ronnie was in better shape in 99 than in 98.
not the opposite as ND loves to claim without evidence:
99 vs 98.
sorry, but Helen Keller can see that Ronnie was in better shape in 99 than in 98: hell, look at the quads alone.
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I wasn't answering your questions, smartass, I was pointing out the first things I noticed when I saw those photos.
Honestly I am not eloquent enough to describe the density issue to you.
My apologies if I offended you.
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My apologies if I offended you.
Haha. You cannot offend me.
Merely stating your sarcasm was not needed, as I wasn't trying to answer your questions.
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2) Dorian did win the second round (muscularity), but knew after the prejudging that Haney deserved to win. Jeff, do you remember when Dorian and Lee were engaged in their first muscular comparison (with Vince Taylor) and they did the rear lat spread, Dorian’s left lat didn’t flex? Dorian didn’t realize it at the time. Later Dorian and Lee were called for the last comparison.
I guess forcedrep was right.
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dorian more dense?
hahaha
in the early 90's dorian set a standard for dryness and density.
this was eclipsed in the late 90's by Ronnie Coleman:
you can see that while groundbreaking in 93, these photos would have little impact in 99 with the rise of peak ronnie coleman:
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dorian more dense?
hahaha
in the early 90's dorian set a standard for dryness and density.
this was eclipsed in the late 90's by Ronnie Coleman:
you can see that while groundbreaking in 93, these photos would have little impact in 99 with the rise of peak ronnie coleman:
Sigh.
Yet again you cling to the most muscular like it proves something.
Zealots are always the most annoying.
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even Haney and yates can't hang with peak Ronnie in the back department:
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Yet again you cling to the most muscular like it proves something.
oh but it does. Show anyone this comparison and ask them who looks more conditioned. ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie40a.jpg)
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Sigh.
Yet again you cling to the most muscular like it proves something.
Zealots are always the most annoying.
and why doesn't it prove something? ::)
it clearly shows the pecs, delts, arms, and quads.
this sport is about showing how good your muscles look.
its not my fault if dorian looked like shit compared to Ronnie in the above muscle groups..
maybe if he was better than ronnie like you claim he was, he would look better.
but he doesn't.
and for damn good reason..
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and why doesn't it prove something? ::)
it clearly shows the pecs, delts, arms, and quads.
this sport is about showing how good your muscles look.
its not my fault if dorian looked like shit compared to Ronnie in the above muscle groups..
maybe if he was better than ronnie like you claim he was, he would look better.
but he doesn't.
and for damn good reason..
The most Muscular is known as the pose that hides weakness' for a reason... it completely takes structure, balance, out of the issue... it's especially good for Ronnie because it highlights his arms and delts, and completely hides all his weakness'.... thats why you post it non-stop... so don't try and hide behind any other reason... there is a reason it wasn't a mandatory for so long. It's a flash pose, it lacks substance.
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The most Muscular is known as the pose that hides weakness' for a reason... it completely takes structure, balance, out of the issue... it's especially good for Ronnie because it highlights his arms and delts, and completely hides all his weakness'.... thats why you post it non-stop... so don't try and hide behind any other reason... there is a reason it wasn't a mandatory for so long. It's a flash pose, it lacks substance.
If yates balance & proportions were so good and his "complete" look as you nuthuggers say, then yates would look great in the mm. Since yates looks bad in the mm, maybe he is the one lacking the substance and not the mandatory pose. It's funny they are blaming the mandatory pose and not the bodybuilder himself, LOL.
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wtf are you talking about? I posted a blurry screen cap of an untanned Ronnie with no posing oil or contest lighting, and he still beats Dorian. So quit making excuses.
ha ha ha ha
Ronnie destroys Dorian in hamstrings. It's not even close.
I've never argued that Ronnie's calves were better. So you won't hear any disagreement from me.
here's another quote from the same guy.
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
ditto. ;)
Jim Stoppani – Flex Magazine, July 2005
wtf are you talking about? I posted a blurry screen cap of an untanned Ronnie with no posing oil or contest lighting, and he still beats Dorian. So quit making excuses.
No you posted a pic of Munzer & Ronnie 1999 and look at the difference between back rounds in the Yates one and Ronnie , the room is filled with light and Dorian's isn't
ha ha ha ha
wow great pumpster move ::) posting stawmen pics I will post a single pic from 1992 that shows Dorian's great separations in all the mentioned areas in the quads I spoke of and ironically you posted pictures from the year Yates tore his quad so that proves nothing
Ronnie destroys Dorian in hamstrings. It's not even close.
yawn same bullshit you post a strawman , a picture you selected because it supposedly proves your point and its garbage it shows your bias and stupidity , in terms of separation in the biceps femoris , semimembranosus and semitendinosus Dorian shows just as great separation ( see pic )
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
McGough
notice the word ' opinion ' ? doesn't mean fact he also said the best physique he ever saw was Dorian Yates at 269 pounds ;) and according to the criteria that would crush a 244 pound Ronnie
ditto. ;)
Jim Stoppani – Flex Magazine, July 2005
boy you're stuck on stupid with this quote aren't you? did you notice the question mark at the end of the sentence? that means it was posed as a question and it wasn't a declaration of it being a fact
And I'm glad you glossed over all the other topics I responded to I'll take that as your corrected . ;)
check out the pics of Dorian's separation in his quads and hams , I'll choose the pics to make my point you're to biased to do so.
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If yates balance & proportions were so good and his "complete" look as you nuthuggers say, then yates would look great in the mm. Since yates looks bad in the mm, maybe he is the one lacking the substance and not the mandatory pose. It's funny they are blaming the mandatory pose and not the bodybuilder himself, LOL.
well said.
instead of blaming the position of the pose, try blaming the crappy ass arms pecs delts and quads (at least in comparison to a 99 Ronnie) next time.
that is why the pose sucks.
its dorian's phyisque deficiencies in comparison to ronnie.
and they are huge.
ps like Neo said, it also shows how much better conditioned ronnie was than Doughboy Yates.
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well said.
instead of blaming the position of the pose, try blaming the crappy ass arms pecs delts and quads (at least in comparison to a 99 Ronnie) next time.
that is why the pose sucks.
its dorian's phyisque deficiencies in comparison to ronnie.
and they are huge.
ps like Neo said, it also shows how much better conditioned ronnie was than Doughboy Yates.
So Flex won the 93 Olympia?
hahahahahahahahahah
stupid queef.
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The most Muscular is known as the pose that hides weakness' for a reason
LOL did you pull this one out of your ass? ::)
it is not known as a pose that hides weakness.
it is a pose known for showing off upper body (and lower body) strengths from the front.
(or in dorian's case, weaknesses).
why do you think it was made the 8th mandatory pose? ::)
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So Flex won the 93 Olympia?
hahahahahahahahahah
stupid queef.
lol England cant figure out that flex has nothing to do with this.
lol
no intelligence on the dorian side at all..
but lots of bad teeth. hahahahaha
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Hulkster can't keep out of this thread because he damn well knows Dorian smokes Ronnie and he needs to come in here and defend his hero LOL
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lol England cant figure out that flex has nothing to do with this.
lol
no intelligence on the dorian side at all..
but lots of bad teeth. hahahahaha
Your credibility is shot buddy.
I mean you did claim Flex won the 1993 Olympia, didn't you?
LOLLLLL
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No you posted a pic of Munzer & Ronnie 1999 and look at the difference between back rounds in the Yates one and Ronnie , the room is filled with light and Dorian's isn't
huh? The pic I posted of Munzer was to show what separations and striations look like, and the DVD screen cap of 99 Ronnie was in reference to your comment about his calves. So I don't know what the f*ck you're complaining about.
wow great pumpster move posting stawmen pics I will post a single pic from 1992 that shows Dorian's great separations in all the mentioned areas in the quads I spoke of and ironically you posted pictures from the year Yates tore his quad so that proves nothing
I don't give a shit about 92. According to you and just about every other Dorian guy, 93 and 95 were his best years. So I only used shots from both years to be fair. I posted a photoshoot pic and 2 contest pics where he's "oiled up and under stage lighting" as you put it, which supposedly makes you look better. Don't b*tch and moan just b/c your boy's quads look bad.
yawn same bullshit you post a strawman , a picture you selected because it supposedly proves your point and its garbage it shows your bias and stupidity , in terms of separation in the biceps femoris , semimembranosus and semitendinosus Dorian shows just as great separation ( see pic )
hamstrings are not even close between Ronnie and Dorian. Ronnie wins by a landslide. Show me pics where Dorian's hamstrings look as big and defined from every angle.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman7.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman37a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman78.jpg)
McGough
notice the word ' opinion ' ? doesn't mean fact he also said the best physique he ever saw was Dorian Yates at 269 pounds and according to the criteria that would crush a 244 pound Ronnie
it's also Peter McGough's opinion that Dorian was harder. ;)
boy you're stuck on stupid with this quote aren't you? did you notice the question mark at the end of the sentence? that means it was posed as a question and it wasn't a declaration of it being a fact
of all the people he could have mentioned, he chose 01 ASC Ronnie. I wonder why...
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Head-to-head, onstage together, same comp and year, what was the best showing Ronnie had against Dorian?
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Flabby ass...check
loose skin on back....check
carrying more water than a reservoir.....check
stick calves and forearms....check
:-X :-\
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman37a.jpg)
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Flabby ass...check
monster loose skin on back....check
stick arms....check
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates1995-05.jpg)
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Doz's back is just killing Coleman's on muscularity there! Even though Doz weighed 25lbs less, he still wins the muscularity round! Amazing :o
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Doz's back is just killing Coleman's on muscularity there! Even though Doz weighed 25lbs less, he still wins the muscularity round! Amazing
not really. I know this may be a difficult concept for you seeing as how retarded your posts are, but compare head size relative to their body. Ronnie's back is bigger. The reason Dorian's may look more muscular is b/c his pic was taken closer up. Amazing!!! :o ::)
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not really. I know this may be a difficult concept for you seeing as how retarded your posts are, but compare head size relative to their body. Ronnie's back is bigger. The reason Dorian's may look more musculair is b/c his pic was taken closer up. Amazing!!! :o ::)
You are using head size now to prove something? LOL Here's a little hint, Dorian's back is bigger, thicker, and more-muscular.
First off, what are the exact circumferences of Dorian and Ronnie's heads? You likely have no clue. Therefore you whole last statement is invalid.
Secondly, I already demonstrated that Yates head is much larger than Coleman's. I achieved this by comparing Flex's head to Dorian's at the 1993 Mr. Olympia. Dorian's head was clearly much larger and Coleman's head is the same size as Flex's, not to mention Coleman's head is shaved.
But you are obviously too stupid to understand this :-\
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Damn - even as a rookie - Doz still had better symmetry and proportion than Coleman would ever have! Seriously, Yates was almost perfect here.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14059-3/1991-mr-olympia-32.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=210b36e40ede5fef7f63d5ffa044852d)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/14063-3/1991-mr-olympia-33.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=210b36e40ede5fef7f63d5ffa044852d)
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You are using head size now to prove something? LOL Here's a little hint, Dorian's back is bigger, thicker, and more-muscular.
wow, you sure convinced me I'm wrong. ::)
First off, what are the exact circumferences of Dorian and Ronnie's heads? You likely have no clue. Therefore you whole last statement is invalid.
head circumference may vary but not by much - 1 to 2 inches at max. There's no reason to believe that Dorian has an abnormal head size judging by pics.
Secondly, I already demonstrated that Yates head is much larger than Coleman's. I achieved this by comparing Flex's head to Dorian's at the 1993 Mr. Olympia. Dorian's head was clearly much larger and Coleman's head is the same size as Flex's, not to mention Coleman's head is shaved.
"much larger?" ha ha ha. So now apparently Dorian suffered from acromegaly? Where do you come up with this shit?
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/1993Mr-8.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/index.jpg)
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You just posted a picture to prove my point. Dorian's head was significantly larger than Flex's and Coleman's. Plus, Coleman's head WAS SHAVED which takes off a perceived size of at least 2 inches.
NeoSemenole owned again ;)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/3842-10/1993-mr-olympia-27.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=210b36e40ede5fef7f63d5ffa044852d)
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You just posted a picture to prove my point. Dorian's head was significantly larger than Flex's and Coleman's.
you need to lay off the crack. Flex's head appears to be almost the same size as Dorian's, and Ronnie's head is larger than Flex's which renders your argument nonsensical.
Plus, Coleman's head WAS SHAVED which takes off a perceived size of at least 2 inches.
Dorian barely had any hair in 95. So it wouldn't account for a 2" difference in circumference.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/1995Mr-13.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates43a.jpg)
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Dorian barely had any hair in 95. So it wouldn't account for a 2" difference in circumference.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/1995Mr-13.jpg)
Are you blind, stupid or both? Barely any hair? Why would you make such a statement and then post a picture completely contradicting it?
Dorian had very thick hair at the 1993 and 1995 Olympia. It was even bigger at the 94 with a mullet.
If Dorian had a very close buzz cut then maybe your statement would hold some ground, but it simply does not. I simply cannot believe your stupidity at this point.
Team Yates has owned you so bad that now you are trying, on a last gasp, to argue in Coleman's favor because of cranium size LOL
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The queef changed the picture because he realized the self-ownage LOL.
Monster stupidity hahaha.
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Are you blind, stupid or both? Barely any hair? Why would you make such a statement and then post a picture completely contradicting it?
how do the pics contradict what I said? Dorian's head was shaved with the exception of a little hair on top. Now if I said he was bald, then I would be contradicting myself with pics.
Dorian had very thick hair at the 1993 and 1995 Olympia. It was even bigger at the 94 with a mullet.
the original pic in question was from 95. I'm not talking about 93 or 94.
If Dorian had a very close buzz cut then maybe your statement would hold some ground, but it simply does not. I simply cannot believe your stupidity at this point.
so what do you call this then?
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates43a.jpg)
Team Yates has owned you so bad that now you are trying, on a last gasp, to argue in Coleman's favor because of cranium size LOL
actually, you're the one who's getting owned so bad that you've resorted to claiming Dorian had an abnormally large head.
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The queef changed the picture because he realized the self-ownage LOL.
Monster stupidity hahaha.
what pic? This one?
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates46.jpg)
how did I own myself? The reason I changed it is b/c I found one less blurry.
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The most Muscular is known as the pose that hides weakness' for a reason...
That's a new one ::)
Oh wait...now i remember every time A bber hits the pose the announcer says "you know, this pose really hides a BBer's weaknesses...." NOT!!!!!!!
Where do you guys come up with this shit, the MM is one of the MAJOR poses. I don't ever recall a thread about who has the best side chest pose.
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whos said yates left lat didnt come out at the 91 mr o (that i was at)?
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Hey ND,
This is cool because I seriously want to know how exactly
Dorian is more dense than Ronnie. I mentioned in two different
threads for someone to explain the definition of grainy and I didn't
get one response. I don't really care about battling about who's better
or not but I do want you to give me a definition of density and explain
why Dorian is denser than Ronnie.
Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
There you go and its pretty self explanatory why Dorian is more dense because he'c carry less intramuscular fat in his muscles especially compared to Ronnie 2003 there is just a handful of times Ronnie was referred as bone dry & rock hard and that was in 1998 and 2001 ASC other than that the heavier Ronnie became the more his conditioning suffered hence 1999 despite what you and Hulkster claim , 2000 huge and soft , etc , etc
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If yates balance & proportions were so good and his "complete" look as you nuthuggers say, then yates would look great in the mm. Since yates looks bad in the mm, maybe he is the one lacking the substance and not the mandatory pose. It's funny they are blaming the mandatory pose and not the bodybuilder himself, LOL.
Ronnie does have a better crab shot than Dorian by a slim margin, but thsi doesen't matter for two reasons:
- The most muscular was not a mandatory during Dorian's time, and...
- Dorian defeats Ronnie in two of the three angles of the relaxed round as well as four of the seven mandatories(front lat spread, abs-and-thighs, side triceps and rear lat spread)
Now, I know that you'll bitch about giving Dorian the rear lat spread, but it does go to Dorian for a simple reason: their lats spread as wide, but Ronnie is missing calves and has huge glutes in this shot, meaning that Dorian wins the pose from a symmetry standpoint. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Hulkster is the absolute king of subjectivity, of the intangible and theoretical. Repeat after me:
"Shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail, shape and detail..." :P
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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ND likes to go on about how coleman lost density and detail from 98 to 99, but cannot produce a single shread of visual evidence to substantiate this claim.
in fact, the visual evidence shows Ronnie being HARDER and DRYER in 99 than in 98:
and there are lots of quotes to corroberate the visual evidence.
peter McGough disagreed, but clearly is incorrect. Other eyewitnesses (like Lonnie Teper from ironman and ronnie himself at the 99 contest) have stated that ronnie was in better shape in 99 than in 98.
not the opposite as ND loves to claim without evidence:
99 vs 98.
sorry, but Helen Keller can see that Ronnie was in better shape in 99 than in 98: hell, look at the quads alone.
ND likes to go on about how coleman lost density and detail from 98 to 99, but cannot produce a single shread of visual evidence to substantiate this claim.
in fact, the visual evidence shows Ronnie being HARDER and DRYER in 99 than in 98:
and there are lots of quotes to corroberate the visual evidence.
You're a liar thats old new but I did produce ' evidence ' of the difference between the two you just didn't like it and get this I backed up my claim with not one but two substantiating quotes have you done that? NO can you do that? NO and you're basing your opinion on faulty means because pictures can lie
peter McGough disagreed, but clearly is incorrect. Other eyewitnesses (like Lonnie Teper from ironman and ronnie himself at the 99 contest) have stated that ronnie was in better shape in 99 than in 98.
not the opposite as ND loves to claim without evidence:
99 vs 98.
sorry, but Helen Keller can see that Ronnie was in better shape in 99 than in 98: hell, look at the quads alone.
Typical Hulkster ignorant arrogant claim of knowing more than not one but two eyewitnesses including the MAN IN QUESTION lol when he's obviously wrong what does he resort to? telling the people who were actually there they're wrong thats the height of stupidity , eyewitnesses are wrong and he's right sitting at home on his p.c. he figured it all out ::)
Ronnie Coleman himself said his best Olympia was his first because and I quote " my conditioning was spot-on " meaning his conditioning in 1999 was NOT ' spot-on ' meaning you're wrong and only you would be so stupid to tell Ronnie he's wrong and Peter McGough as well but then again you're infamously stupid just look at the truce thread
Answer me this Hulkster why is it when asked what was the best physique he ever seen McGough refers to ( Dorian 1993 ;) ) and Ronnie 2001 Arnold Classic , why would he do that? especially seeing if Hulkster is right and he's just as bone dry & rock hard as he was in 1998/2001 ? wouldn't McGough then say 1999 , because he's just as conditioned in 1998/2001 and a full 10 pounds heavier because after all more size and the same conditioning is the high water mark of bodybuilding , I'll tell you because he wasn't as bone dry ( and pay attention mr ignorant ) AND rock hard as he was in 1998 period. he said it , McGough said it and you're a fucking idiot to argue two eyewitnesses wrong based on a faulty means to begin with .
review of mr. olympia 1999, january 2000, page 90:
257 pounds, a good seven pounds heavier than last year and the clear winner, ALTHOUGH NOT AS BONE DRY OR AS ROCK HARD IN 98. In comparison to 98, his thighs are enourmous with a greater sweep and his front delts have improved; plus the pec anomaly (gyno) is no longer present.
Impressive split biceps. An awesome back double biceps on which muscle fights with muscle to hang onto his frame. A big, big lat spead promted Dorian "backman" yates to comment, "ronnie looks like a cartoon character". when doing back poses, ronnie would hitch up his trunks to expose ripped glutes.
No where does it claim his quads are more ripped than 1998 this is another one of your bull shit claims , it shows right there that not the obvious his quads are bigger than 1998 with greater sweep NO WHERE does it say they're more defined , or more ripped you're a LIAR you keep making these claims and have been proven wrong , lets see when proven wrong Hulkster makes up quotes , lies , uses photoshopped pics and tells eyewitnesses including Ronnie himself he's wrong on what year was his best lol you have to do all these things because you can't counter my argument .
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If yates balance & proportions were so good and his "complete" look as you nuthuggers say, then yates would look great in the mm. Since yates looks bad in the mm, maybe he is the one lacking the substance and not the mandatory pose. It's funny they are blaming the mandatory pose and not the bodybuilder himself, LOL.
I mean how fucking stupid can you be? he looks bad in the mm says who ? you ? you're biased you look for what you like in the most muscular and thats it and great balance & proportion can be seen from every angle in every pose NOT just one shot WOW Ronnie's got great biceps/triceps and delt-pec tie-ins is the most muscular that means his whole pose is better despite lacking in density and balance & proportion , despite being incomplete , there is more to a most muscular pose than what you like follow the criteria , of thats right you don't know it.
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yates must have the best calves ever,
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whos said yates left lat didnt come out at the 91 mr o (that i was at)?
Peter McGough said it. Are you doubting him now? Not to mention a member named Forcedrep on these boards pointed it out as well earlier this year and backed it up with a pic.
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oh but it does. Show anyone this comparison and ask them who looks more conditioned. ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/DorianvsRonnie40a.jpg)
How about you also let people know the general consensus is that Dorian looks ' light years ' ahead of what he does in pics & video , and then school them on what great conditioning consists of ( oh wait you can't do that because you don't know ;) ) and then show them better pictures of Yates , your comparisons are pathetic period and biased there is more to conditioning than what you know and more to a pose than just having better delt-pec tie-ins and better biceps
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Peter McGough said it. Are you doubting him now? Not to mention a member named Forcedrep on these boards pointed it out as well earlier this year and backed it up with a pic.
Left lat didnt come out?
Ive never seen the 1991 video, but whats stopping someone posting that "left lat segment" onto youtube for everyone to see.
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How about you also let people know the general consensus is that Dorian looks ' light years ' ahead of what he does in pics & video , and then school them on what great conditioning consists of ( oh wait you can't do that because you don't know and then show them better pictures of Yates , your comparisons are pathetic period and biased there is more to conditioning than what you know and more to a pose than just having better delt-pec tie-ins and better biceps
wah wah, stop whining. The general consensus is that every bodybuilder looks better in person than in pics. People who were at this years Olympia said all the competitors looked in better condition than in the online pics. So this isn't some exclusive property only shared by Dorian. Furthermore, a person shouldn't have to be educated on conditioning to see who looks more defined in a comparison. Either you're conditioned or you're not. It doesn't magically change once you become more knowledgable.
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Ronnie displaying his superior conditioning.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=214588;image)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman33.jpg)
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That's a new one ::)
Oh wait...now i remember every time A bber hits the pose the announcer says "you know, this pose really hides a BBer's weaknesses...." NOT!!!!!!!
Where do you guys come up with this shit, the MM is one of the MAJOR poses. I don't ever recall a thread about who has the best side chest pose.
exactly.
they come up with this shit because dorian even at his best was far below the level set by 99 Ronnie and they (and everyone else) knows it.
its all they can do.. ::)
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huh? The pic I posted of Munzer was to show what separations and striations look like, and the DVD screen cap of 99 Ronnie was in reference to your comment about his calves. So I don't know what the f*ck you're complaining about.
I don't give a shit about 92. According to you and just about every other Dorian guy, 93 and 95 were his best years. So I only used shots from both years to be fair. I posted a photoshoot pic and 2 contest pics where he's "oiled up and under stage lighting" as you put it, which supposedly makes you look better. Don't b*tch and moan just b/c your boy's quads look bad.
hamstrings are not even close between Ronnie and Dorian. Ronnie wins by a landslide. Show me pics where Dorian's hamstrings look as big and defined from every angle.
it's also Peter McGough's opinion that Dorian was harder. ;)
of all the people he could have mentioned, he chose 01 ASC Ronnie. I wonder why...
I don't give a shit about 92. According to you and just about every other Dorian guy, 93 and 95 were his best years. So I only used shots from both years to be fair. I posted a photoshoot pic and 2 contest pics where he's "oiled up and under stage lighting" as you put it, which supposedly makes you look better. Don't b*tch and moan just b/c your boy's quads look bad.
Of course you don't care about 1992 because that pic alone proves my point about how great the separation in his quads were and him at 269 pounds is his best so I'll use that and the same applies the only real advantage Ronnie has in quad separation is in the rectus femoris and see the pics despite all your claims his quads don't look bad
hamstrings are not even close between Ronnie and Dorian. Ronnie wins by a landslide. Show me pics where Dorian's hamstrings look as big and defined from every angle.
again you make empty claims and use shit pictures on purpose you look at Dorian's hams and how clearly defined they are and how separated the leg biceps are from the other muscles and you're missing the point Dorian's hams don't have to look as big and well defined as Ronnie's all they have to do is look great and in proportion to Dorian quads which is my whole point of Yates legs being more balanced than Ronnies including the hams and in that pic you posted of Ronnie in the side chest it shows how Ronnie's hams are dwarfed by his quads in profile 95% quads and 5 % hams
it's also Peter McGough's opinion that Dorian was harder. ;)
At the end of the day its just an opinion however unlike who's the best ever conditioning isn't subjective ;)
of all the people he could have mentioned, he chose 01 ASC Ronnie. I wonder why...
That doesn't change the fact it was posed as a QUESTION and even if it was a declaration of some sorts its still just and opinion and a subjective one at that .
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Ronnie displaying his superior conditioning.
I love how you've been reduced to just blanket statements lol it's so Hulkster-esque no what Ronnie is displaying is better delt-pec tie-ins and biceps separation and again one pose isn't an entire contest and keep in mind the following ;)
Mr Gethin GetBig Steptember 10 , 2007
Beat Ronnie fare and square on the european tour...Huh? Were you there? Did you know anyone who was there, or are you speculating via pics? I'm a contest photog and can tell you that pics dont always give a true depiction.
Peter Mcgough
"These words should not be taken lightly, because no bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows."
Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates
" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.
MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia
" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .
Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.
This is a quote from John Hotten book " Muscle "
" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own. Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.
Bob Chick GetBig Jan 15 , 2007
The judges made their decision based on what they saw live and in person. Pictures mean nothing as they can be deceiving...
Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002
Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).
Neo don't comment on who has superior conditioning you look really fucking stupid when you do knowing th above , but then again you don't mind looking stupid. ;)
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wah wah, stop whining. The general consensus is that every bodybuilder looks better in person than in pics. People who were at this years Olympia said all the competitors looked in better condition than in the online pics. So this isn't some exclusive property only shared by Dorian. Furthermore, a person shouldn't have to be educated on conditioning to see who looks more defined in a comparison. Either you're conditioned or you're not. It doesn't magically change once you become more knowledgable.
No it can't be true ::) Neo & Hulkster the boy wonder figured it all out , again I've seen the quote ( and posted it ) numerous times attributed to Dorian specifically on how he translates from reality to film and video this crushed your ignorant statements that Ronnie has better conditioning , you don't even know what conditioning is , you're the idiot who claimed Dorian's grainy conditioning was the result of poor skin ::)
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even Haney and yates can't hang with peak Ronnie in the back department:
Typical Hulkster move lol post a pic of Dorian at 239 pounds and claim " Wow no one can hang with Ronnie "
::)
Dorian crushes Ronnie any year Ronnie especially the ' soft ' Ronnie from 1999 this is muscle hardness and dryness that Ronnie could only match when he was very small
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LOL soft 99 my white ass.
everyone is wondering where you guys come up with this shit?
::)
because it sure isn't with your eyes.. ::)
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LOL as usual, ronnie at his best OWNING dorian in terms of conditioning..
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LOL soft 99 my white ass.
everyone is wondering where you guys come up with this shit?
::)
because it sure isn't with your eyes.. ::)
Ronnie told me ;) his conditioning wasn't spot on in 1999n , in 1998 it was :D Ronnie owns you.
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LOL as usual, ronnie at his best OWNING dorian in terms of conditioning..
Hulkster's been reduced to blowing up pics to alter the quality even further lol first lying about quotes and then using photoshopped pics of Ronnie , now using altered pics to ruin the quality lol you're so desperate and I enjoy watching you slip further & further ;)
untanned , no posing oil and no contest lighting in the poorest quality video and Ronnie just gets blown away , 269 pounds complete dense & dry muscle from head to toe no flaws what so ever and you have Ronnie 257 pounds lacking in that rock hard condition he had the previous year a bunch of mix and matched parts , pathetic balance & proportion , injected calves lol
Dorian kills little ' soft ' Ronnie
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Peter McGough said it. Are you doubting him now? Not to mention a member named Forcedrep on these boards pointed it out as well earlier this year and backed it up with a pic.
im not doubting anyone. i was there, i posted a pic. the pic shows his left lat out there.
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Of course you don't care about 1992 because that pic alone proves my point about how great the separation in his quads were and him at 269 pounds is his best so I'll use that and the same applies the only real advantage Ronnie has in quad separation is in the rectus femoris and see the pics despite all your claims his quads don't look bad
you can't use a pic from 92 to show Dorian's leg detail and then post a pic from 95 to show his size. That would be like me using Ronnie's famous ab-and-thigh shot from 96 to show his trim, detailed midsection and striated quads, and then use a pic from 03 to show his size. It doesn't work that way. Pick a year and stick with it. Here are more pics of Dorian's quads from 95.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates31.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates41.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/95%20Mr%20Olympia/DorianYates35.jpg)
again you make empty claims and use shit pictures on purpose you look at Dorian's hams and how clearly defined they are and how separated the leg biceps are from the other muscles and you're missing the point Dorian's hams don't have to look as big and well defined as Ronnie's all they have to do is look great and in proportion to Dorian quads which is my whole point of Yates legs being more balanced than Ronnies including the hams and in that pic you posted of Ronnie in the side chest it shows how Ronnie's hams are dwarfed by his quads in profile 95% quads and 5 % hams
stop lying. I didn't use shit pics of Dorian's hamstrings. You're just mad b/c you realize you're fighting a losing battle. If I really did use such a bad pic, then why don't you post some of your better shots? I'm sure you have them (note: it has to be from 95). If you use another year, then I will only compare pics from whatever year you use for Dorian.
At the end of the day its just an opinion however unlike who's the best ever conditioning isn't subjective
conditioning is subjective if we follow your criteria. Did you touch Ronnie's and Dorian's muscles to see who's harder? No. Did Peter McGough? No. Ask any medical professional how to determine one's conditioning based purely on visual observation, and they will tell you separations and striations.
That doesn't change the fact it was posed as a QUESTION and even if it was a declaration of some sorts its still just and opinion and a subjective one at that.
see above.
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I love how you've been reduced to just blanket statements
ha ha ha ha, what the f*ck? I supported my comment with visual evidence. I can also post quotes like you did. ;)
Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Jim Stoppani – Flex Magazine, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004
“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”
Ronnie Coleman Fan Site
“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
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That's a new one ::)
Oh wait...now i remember every time A bber hits the pose the announcer says "you know, this pose really hides a BBer's weaknesses...." NOT!!!!!!!
Where do you guys come up with this shit, the MM is one of the MAJOR poses. I don't ever recall a thread about who has the best side chest pose.
Hence why I said it's a flash pose.
It's actually my favorite pose, it tends to be the most dramatic.
It also hides flaws, tell me how it doesnt.
It hides structure flaws, and tends to showcase overdeveloped bodyparts. Tell me how Im wrong?
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It hides structure flaws, and tends to showcase overdeveloped bodyparts. Tell me how Im wrong?
the same can be said about every pose.
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you can't use a pic from 92 to show Dorian's leg detail and then post a pic from 95 to show his size. That would be like me using Ronnie's famous ab-and-thigh shot from 96 to show his trim, detailed midsection and striated quads, and then use a pic from 03 to show his size. It doesn't work that way. Pick a year and stick with it. Here are more pics of Dorian's quads from 95.
stop lying. I didn't use shit pics of Dorian's hamstrings. You're just mad b/c you realize you're fighting a losing battle. If I really did use such a bad pic, then why don't you post some of your better shots? I'm sure you have them (note: it has to be from 95). If you use another year, then I will only compare pics from whatever year you use for Dorian.
conditioning is subjective if we follow your criteria. Did you touch Ronnie's and Dorian's muscles to see who's harder? No. Did Peter McGough? No. Ask any medical professional how to determine one's conditioning based purely on visual observation, and they will tell you separations and striations.
see above.
you can't use a pic from 92 to show Dorian's leg detail and then post a pic from 95 to show his size. That would be like me using Ronnie's famous ab-and-thigh shot from 96 to show his trim, detailed midsection and striated quads, and then use a pic from 03 to show his size. It doesn't work that way. Pick a year and stick with it. Here are more pics of Dorian's quads from 95.
I didn't use just 92 I used 1993 as well and I used the 92 because its a clearer shot than the rest and now I'll show a pic from 1995 that fully illustrates my point about Dorian's quads separation
stop lying. I didn't use shit pics of Dorian's hamstrings. You're just mad b/c you realize you're fighting a losing battle. If I really did use such a bad pic, then why don't you post some of your better shots? I'm sure you have them (note: it has to be from 95). If you use another year, then I will only compare pics from whatever year you use for Dorian.
No you used shit pictures of Dorian's hamstrings period , the one I posted is from 1993 and its been posted many times and it shows clear development & separation of all the muscles of the hamstrings , inclduing the biceps femoris , semimembranosus and semitendonisosus that silences your bull shit claim dead in its tracks , losing battle my ass I'm not the who who thinks balance & proportion are the same and Dorian's great conditioning was the result of poor skin , and your buddys are really helping your case by posting photoshopped pics of Ronnie and making up quotes my friend I'm still ahead of the game , Yates better balance & proportion , Yates equal or better conditioning , more complete and depending on the year more size and I'm losing? lol
And I will post pics from any year I please its Dorian at his best which is obviously the 93 footage and his LEGS are outstanding hams , calves and quads .
conditioning is subjective if we follow your criteria. Did you touch Ronnie's and Dorian's muscles to see who's harder? No. Did Peter McGough? No. Ask any medical professional how to determine one's conditioning based purely on visual observation, and they will tell you separations and striations.
No conditioning isn't subjective either you're in shape or not , and you can base muscle hardness by appearance live and IN PERSON get it? take a look at Ronnie 2001 compared to Ronnie 2003 tell me which is harder , you don't need to ' touch their muscles ' ( although you may fantasize about that ) and yes you can determine one's conditioning via visual observation however thats not always accurate , because people can be still carrying water and have striations
And you people with this striations nonsense you're acting like Dorian doesn't have a single one and Ronnie is Munzer ( Who Yates destroyed BTW ) Dorian had the following striations ,lower lats , erector spinae , pecs , delts , triceps , obliques , intercostals , glutes , even in his traps ! he also has great separation , sure Ronnie does have some advantages in areas but does Yates , see picture are not an accurate means to ascertain their conditioning and you or I weren't there we have to take it on the authority of others and Dorian's ' grainy ' hard conditioning is legendary and Ronnie's isn't its very safe to assume Dorian's conditioning is better than Ronnies
See pics of Dorian's separation in the quads and hams
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See pics of Dorian's separation in the quads and hams
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=214688;image)
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where are the separations and striations? ???
this is what cuts look like.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie85.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-RonnieColeman32.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie103.jpg)
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i see the left lat. ;D
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ha ha ha ha, what the f*ck? I supported my comment with visual evidence. I can also post quotes like you did. ;)
Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Jim Stoppani – Flex Magazine, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004
“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”
Ronnie Coleman Fan Site
“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
ha ha ha ha, what the f*ck? I supported my comment with visual evidence. I can also post quotes like you did. ;)
You can post stating the OBVIOUS and stating what I maintained that at his best Ronnie perhaps matched Dorian for that bone dry & rock hard conditioning albeit SMALLER and I can posts quotes specific to Ronnie VS Dorian can you? ;)
Lee Priest
HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?
I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.
Dorian when asked how he would fair against Ronnie in Pro Bodybuilding Weeks specifically stated compared to Ronnie he has better conditioning
And then there is this McGough quote
Peter Mcgough
"These words should not be taken lightly, because no bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows."
couple that went Dorian is known , for his legendary conditioning and Ronnie is NOT sans a few occasions 1998/2001 and your opinion is not only WRONG based on an inaccurate means , its wrong because more than one person say Dorian's conditioning is better specifically compared to Ronnie Coleman , again please don't make ignorant blanket statements
Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005
Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.
Good job not posting the whole quote out of fear ;) contender is Dorian Yates 269 pounds ;)
Team Flex – Flexonline.com, November 2004
“For whatever faults he may possess, Ronnie Coleman is quite possibly the most impressive physical specimen walking the earth today. Pictures do not do him justice. When he stands relaxed muscle literally hangs from his frame, as if his skin can no longer support the pendulous masses of flesh he has forged with untold tons of iron and steel. It’s difficult to imagine anyone surpassing Big Ron’s level of mass in this, or any, lifetime.”
mentions NOTHING about him not looking as good in print or video as compared to real life and its talking about size wise , I posted at least 5 saying specifically Dorian NOT looking as good in print or video so nice try ::)
Ronnie Coleman Fan Site
“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."
I'm assuming this was about his 1998 Olympia win , again stating the obvious he was bone dry & rock hard its old news he was 247 pounds and Yates was 269 pounds bone dry & rock hard big difference
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
More redundant quotes that prove the OBVIOUS something I'm not denying I said there were probably two occasions in which Ronnie perhaps tied Dorian for conditioning 1998/2001 again stating the obvious , it doesn't say a damn thing about that conditioning being better than Dorian
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Biased opinion and technically he's right because Ronnie was 287 pounds in 2003 and with good hardness and he was ' shredded ' at that weight , and no other Mr Olympia was that heavy , the greatest Mr Olympia of all time , extremely subjective and biased , he's also the guy who claimed Ronnie was winning the prejudging at the 2007 Mr Olympia lol enough said
Your quotes did NOTHING for you kid , Priest & Yates both say when specifically compared to Ronnie he has better conditioning , now to be fair I'll say Ronnie equaled it in 1998/2001 but alas he's still down muscular bulk ( 269 vs 244-247 ) balance & proportion , completeness and posing so you're still back to square one
A smart man ( me ;) ) would say Ronnie is equal to Yates in conditioning ( 1998/2001) and not making blanket statements based on ignorance , bias and inaccurate means , but then again you're not that smart
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You can post stating the OBVIOUS and stating what I maintained that at his best Ronnie perhaps matched Dorian for that bone dry & rock hard conditioning albeit SMALLER and I can posts quotes specific to Ronnie VS Dorian can you? ;)
Lee Priest
HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?
"I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best."
I stopped reading after this part. Why should I entertain your nonsense when you don't believe it yourself?
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where are the separations and striations? ???
this is what cuts look like.
Top pic Dorian shows great separation of the vastus lateralis , vastus medialis , and satorius and tensor fasciae late and I'll give you Ronnie has better separation of the rectus femoris but you can see Dorian's not as sharp as Ronnies though
Now couple that with better balance & proportion between the entire leg complex and physique and then any advantage Ronnie may have in separation of the rectus femoris is moot
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I stopped reading after this part. Why should I entertain your nonsense when you don't believe it yourself?
Looks like Neo needs to be told what symmetry is ;) oh and I believe Ronnie does have better ' symmetry ' compared to Dorian or at least one aspect of it , let me teach you Neo what symmetry is and how Ronnie has an advantage in it and so does Dorian
Symmetry in the bodybuilding context means left right balance , balance & proportion , small waist & hips and small joints , now seeing nothing in nature is exact in terms of symmetry in the bodybuilding context it means how well the left & right size match up in terms of size , one's symmetry would be way off if he had one bicep 16' and the other 18'
Dorian has a clear advantage in terms of muscle balance & proportion , again Dorian stated this on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly when specifically compared to Ronnie and I posted the quote from an IFBB judge praising Dorian's outstanding symmetry
Now This is the part Ronnie has an advantage in , naturally small waist & hips a better taper and smaller joints no in this part Priest was right , just like he was right in claiming Dorian had better conditioning
So once again you're corrected by the master and you still have much to learn grasshopper ;)
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269 pounds bone dry & granite hard no flaws what so ever , massive everywhere , complete from head to toe unrivaled balance & proportion
Ronnie's never in his career had this combo ever then again who has?
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ronnie looks skinny comparedto yates, imagine compared to nasser el sonbaty?
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the bottom line is that ronnie never matched the comob of size and conditioning that yates did.
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neo likes to post quotes that only reflect his point of view.
where are the quotes from greg merrit and shawn from flex saying this person has the best upper body ever - not ronnie.
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Top pic Dorian shows great separation of the vastus lateralis , vastus medialis , and satorius and tensor fasciae late and I'll give you Ronnie has better separation of the rectus femoris but you can see Dorian's not as sharp as Ronnies though
no, the pic you posted only shows good separation in the vastus medialis and sartorius muscles.
Now couple that with better balance & proportion between the entire leg complex and physique and then any advantage Ronnie may have in separation of the rectus femoris is moot
Ronnie's thighs have Dorian's beat in muscular bulk, separations, striations, and shape. This more than makes up for a lack of balance in his legs.
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i see the left lat. ;D
Everyone doesn't ;D
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Symmetry in the bodybuilding context means left right balance , balance & proportion , small waist & hips and small joints , now seeing nothing in nature is exact in terms of symmetry in the bodybuilding context it means how well the left & right size match up in terms of size , one's symmetry would be way off if he had one bicep 16' and the other 18'
what rubbish! Symmetry refers to left, right, top and bottom balance. Nowhere does it mention having a trim waist and small joints. That's something you just made up to support your argument. A bodybuilder can have a wide waist and still be as symmetrical as a another with a smaller waist if his shoulder-to-waist ratio is the same.
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269 pounds bone dry & granite hard no flaws what so ever , massive everywhere , complete from head to toe unrivaled balance & proportion
Ronnie at 287 lbs (almost 20 lbs heavier) and shredded to the bone. Unrivaled combo of mass, definition, and symmetry.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman65.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman5.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman83.jpg)
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neo likes to post quotes that only reflect his point of view.
where are the quotes from greg merrit and shawn from flex saying this person has the best upper body ever - not ronnie.
how is that relevant to this discussion?
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Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
There you go and its pretty self explanatory why Dorian is more dense because he'c carry less intramuscular fat in his muscles especially compared to Ronnie 2003 there is just a handful of times Ronnie was referred as bone dry & rock hard and that was in 1998 and 2001 ASC other than that the heavier Ronnie became the more his conditioning suffered hence 1999 despite what you and Hulkster claim , 2000 huge and soft , etc , etc
First of all, thanks for taking the time to answer my question.
Let's take some pics with Ronnie and Dorian @ their debatable respective bests 93-99
and compare. I'm trying to use good pictures of both with good lighting
on most of the shots. Dorian is more dense by your definition because he has less intramuscular fat
than Ronnie in 1999. The Muscular Development Compulsory Round is judged by 3 different
criteria:
* DENSITY is the depth and fullness of the muscle bellies.
* SEPARATION is the delineation between the muscle groups.
* DEFINITION is the absence of fat making the muscles clearly visible through the skin surface.
Let's assume Dorian is more dense than Ronnie. That is 1/3 of the muscular development judging.
Does Yates have more separation or definition than Coleman?
I'll post the pics and let the people decide...
This first pic is standing relaxed and there are many of Dorian that are
very unflattering. I took the very best one and lightened it because it was
very dark and you really couldn't see how great he looked in it.
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I still can't believe NeoSemen thinks that Flex and Dorian had the same sized heads. I guess he is blind ::)
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1st pic... Back double biceps and calves for Dorian.
2nd shot is for Ronnie's BDB, although not the best shot
on the DVD. (It's a little blurry and doesn't show the striations
in the triceps like other shots on the DVD.
3rd shot is strictly put here to show calves.
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3rd shot is strictly put here to show calves twigs.
Corrected.
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Both Yates and Coleman look very lean, seperated
and striated and if Coleman is carrying more intramuscular fat,
I can't honestly see in any of these pictures where it would be.
England, I even put Coleman's weakest shot last in this batch of pictures
which shows I'm trying to be fair in this evaluation. Those calves you call twigs
are in the same league as most of his competitors. Dorian was in a completely
different league when it came to calves against almost anyone.
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Everyone keeps posting altered photos of Coleman and normal photos of Dorian.
How bout everyone post some that are untouched. Yes, Hulkster Im talking to you aswell.
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no, the pic you posted only shows good separation in the vastus medialis and sartorius muscles.
Ronnie's thighs have Dorian's beat in muscular bulk, separations, striations, and shape. This more than makes up for a lack of balance in his legs.
You're just being contrary seriously the only advantage Ronnie shows in terms of separation is the rectus femoris and he lags behind in tensor fasciae late & satorius
Ronnie's quads have Dorian's beat in muscular bulk? 2001 ASC compared to a 269 pound Dorian doubtful , 2003 absolutely , separartions in the rectus femoris sure , striations ? where are these striations? I haven't seen striations in Ronnie's quads since 1996 an shape? says who you? ::) and that does NOT make up for his lack of balanced legs you think having really great quads can compensate for having injected calves? that lack the classic diamond shape , lack proportionate size devoid of any separation & development of the gastrocmenous inner & outer heads , you got another thing coming kid
to use your analogy Dorian's outstanding balance & proportion in his lags and world class calves more than make up for any advantage Coleman may have in rectus femoris development ;)
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what rubbish! Symmetry refers to left, right, top and bottom balance. Nowhere does it mention having a trim waist and small joints. That's something you just made up to support your argument. A bodybuilder can have a wide waist and still be as symmetrical as a another with a smaller waist if his shoulder-to-waist ratio is the same.
Fuck me you're borderline retarded I'm telling you what symmetry is you're not telling me Flex Wheeler is known as the " Sultan of Symmetry " you think he has a balanced physique? now I'm going to crush your fucking stupidity even further , telling me I just made shit up to support my argument ::)
Symmetry - The shape or general outline of a person's body, as when seen in silhouette. If you have good sym-metry, you will have relatively wide shoulders, flaring lats, a small waist-hip structure, and generally small joints.
wow don't you look fucking stupid right now ;) now lets see I corrected you on what balance & proportion is , I corrected you on what density & conditioning are and I have corrected you on what symmetry is , wow looks like I taught you a lot about what bodybuilding is and keep typing your ignorant opinions and I'll teach you some more
Now here is an IFBB judge commenting on Dorian's advantages in symmetry
Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
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This thread needs to be merged...
Oh, and ND is right.
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Ronnie at 287 lbs (almost 20 lbs heavier) and shredded to the bone. Unrivaled combo of mass, definition, and symmetry.
Shredded to the bone my ass ! see 2001 Arnold Classic for shredded to the bone , definition again see 2001 Arnold Classic and symmetry LMFAO his ' symmetry ' is at its all time worse , his balance & proportion are maxed out for his physique
Wayne Demilla " I've said to Ronnie , " What you've got to realize is that in 98-99 you were probably in the best proportion you could be for your frame . Those muscles have gotten bigger. Just cos you're bigger , doesn't make you better . "
Stating the obvious you'd know this if you knew anything about bodybuilding but hero worship prevents you from being objective .
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First of all, thanks for taking the time to answer my question.
Let's take some pics with Ronnie and Dorian @ their debatable respective bests 93-99
and compare. I'm trying to use good pictures of both with good lighting
on most of the shots. Dorian is more dense by your definition because he has less intramuscular fat
than Ronnie in 1999. The Muscular Development Compulsory Round is judged by 3 different
criteria:
* DENSITY is the depth and fullness of the muscle bellies.
* SEPARATION is the delineation between the muscle groups.
* DEFINITION is the absence of fat making the muscles clearly visible through the skin surface.
Let's assume Dorian is more dense than Ronnie. That is 1/3 of the muscular development judging.
Does Yates have more separation or definition than Coleman?
I'll post the pics and let the people decide...
This first pic is standing relaxed and there are many of Dorian that are
very unflattering. I took the very best one and lightened it because it was
very dark and you really couldn't see how great he looked in it.
You may want to keep in mind all rounds are physique rounds .
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This thread needs to be merged...
Oh, and ND is right.
Thank you ! :)
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great comparisons Bizzy.
dorian is getting destroyed as usual.
and its not because the pics were 'altered'..
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great comparisons Bizzy.
dorian is getting destroyed as usual.
and its not because the pics were 'altered'..
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Oh yeah because its not unlike you to use photoshopped pics
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Sorry Hulkster Little Ronnie can't compete with this ;)
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Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
NO truer words have been spoken and notice the Ronnie reference lol load of parts
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Oh yeah because its not unlike you to use photoshopped pics
these comparisons have been posted many times before untouched.
right from the get go with forcedreps you refused to acknowledge them (and he owned your asses royally in a memorable set of posts) because of Ronnie's sheer dominance, and I see times have not changed..
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these comparisons have been posted many times before untouched.
right from the get go with forcedreps you refused to acknowledge them (and he owned your asses royally in a memorable set of posts) because of Ronnie's sheer dominance, and I see times have not changed..
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He didn't own jack I'm talking about the photoshopped pics YOU'VE been posting lol I noticed you don't post them anymore lol because you were crushed under the weight of your own stupidity ;) then you resorted to tampering with the quality of the Yates pics lol more acts of desperation and of lets not forget the made up quotes lol
keep using photoshopped pics I don't care Yates crushed anything you've yet to come up with Ronnie's load of massive parts can't touch Dorian and never could
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5'10" 269lbs of the most conditioned muscle ever seen.
The sport has not progressed one ounce since Yates on that fateful day 3 weeks prior to the 1993 Mr. Olympia :-\
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He didn't own jack I'm talking about the photoshopped pics YOU'VE been posting lol I noticed you don't post them anymore lol because you were crushed under the weight of your own stupidity ;) then you resorted to tampering with the quality of the Yates pics lol more acts of desperation and of lets not forget the made up quotes lol
keep using photoshopped pics I don't care Yates crushed anything you've yet to come up with Ronnie's load of massive parts can't touch Dorian and never could
I have not touched, altered or photoshopped a SINGLE pic of dorian OR Ronnie.
if others have and I saved them to my computer, well, I would love to know which ones they are.
I just save existing pics that are either found online or posted by others.
you can make up all the conspiracy theories and excuses you want, it changes nothing.
the dorian ronnie wars ended on page 487 of the truce thread when the first set of Ronnie 99 and dorian 93 screencaps and videos were posted.
since then, all you have been doing is trying to find ways to undo that overwhelming dominance of ronnie over dorian.
and you and two others are the only people that think that it worked..
everyone else is not that stupid..
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5'10" 269lbs of the most conditioned muscle ever seen.
The sport has not progressed one ounce since Yates on that fateful day 3 weeks prior to the 1993 Mr. Olympia :-\
I mean has it? who has come close to this combo?
I mean Dorian would do a latspread in front of Ronnie and he would disappear you would be like " Where did Ronnie go? "
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LOL
ND keeps posting the same four pics of dorian as if they were impressive compared to Ronnie.
I guess when you don't know what you are doing, you might think that they are..
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look at this dominace:
way better shape, way better detail, way better everything:
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That back of Dorian is un-fucking-believable!
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I have not touched, altered or photoshopped a SINGLE pic of dorian OR Ronnie.
if others have and I saved them to my computer, well, I would love to know which ones they are.
I just save existing pics that are either found online or posted by others.
you can make up all the conspiracy theories and excuses you want, it changes nothing.
the dorian ronnie wars ended on page 487 of the truce thread when the first set of Ronnie 99 and dorian 93 screencaps and videos were posted.
since then, all you have been doing is trying to find ways to undo that overwhelming dominance of ronnie over dorian.
and you and two others are the only people that think that it worked..
everyone else is not that stupid..
No but you have KNOWINGLY used photoshopped pics as some sort of half-baked proof Ronnie is better , and and ontop of knowingly posting worked pics you made up quotes too lol
and give me a break about the 99 screencaps serious , pictures from 99 Olympia were posted well before that and you didn't hoot and holla about them and now the tables are turned on you Dorian's 1993 shape at 269 pounds crushes ANY screencap , any photoshopped pic any excuse you can come up with
Dorian at 269 pounds has way to many advantages for little Ronnie to compare with , no weaknesses , no flaws , almost perfect balance & proportion , insane density & conditioning , great technical poser
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LOL
ND keeps posting the same four pics of dorian as if they were impressive compared to Ronnie.
I guess when you don't know what you are doing, you might think that they are..
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look at this dominace:
way better shape, way better detail, way better everything:
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Ha Ha Ha meltdown
Yates untanned , no posing oil no contest lighting , Ronnie studio shots with professional lighting in contest ready conditioning lol and Dorian still has better balance & proportion is still bigger is still better conditioned
Sorry slick little Ronnie can't hang ;)
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Look at this combo of size , shape , balance and dense granite conditioning , Little Ronnie's collection of parts can't match this no one could , now imagine this tanned , posing oil , contest ready lighting next to little Ronnie lol Ronnie would look like a child next to this , look at the striated pecs , the striations on the delts you can even see his sharply defined abdominals his arms are massive this shot is flawless
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Dorian is perfect there.
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Dorian is perfect there.
Exactly when Ronnie does that shot its dominated by massive arms and delts and those long ass arms , that soft bulging midsection those gigantic quads dwarfing his injected calves , like Bev Francis says a ' load of mass parts "
I mean look at Yates shot it lacks nothing what so ever and he's a massive 269 pounds dense and conditioned .
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LOL perfect?
from the knees up its a compete massacre of ronnie over dorian:
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having better calves does nothing if the entire rest of your physique pales in comparison in every conceivable way:
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ronnie made a career out of this:
shit calves.
way better everything else on top of a wicked taper.
and when in shape, he was, as Peter M. said, "unbeatable"
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LOL they are saying dorian was 'perfect' yet look at his left arm. and arms (and quads) in general.
no shape, no detail, horrible. especially compared to Ronnie.
how you idiots (all three of you thankfully - rest of the world is much smarter) can look at those shots and say dorian was better shows how little you know about what good detail, shape and vascularity is..
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LOL they are saying dorian was 'perfect' yet look at his left arm. and arms (and quads) in general.
no shape, no detail, horrible. especially compared to Ronnie.
how you idiots (all three of you thankfully - rest of the world is much smarter) can look at those shots and say dorian was better shows how little you know about what good detail, shape and vascularity is..
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So, Flex won the 93O? LOL
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LOL perfect?
from the knees up its a compete massacre of ronnie over dorian:
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having better calves does nothing if the entire rest of your physique pales in comparison in every conceivable way:
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ronnie made a career out of this:
shit calves.
way better everything else on top of a wicked taper.
and when in shape, he was, as Peter M. said, "unbeatable"
One you can't even see the ' wicked taper ' great job there lol and you're so ignorant you just go on typing away its a massacre alright , Dorian is KILLING little Ronnie in terms of muscle balance & proportion , size , conditioning and granite hardness
Now mind you you're posting professional studio shots of contest ready Ronnie to an untanned , sans oil and professional lighting Dorian and Ronnie's still getting his ass handed to him lol you must be frustrated because you can't counter that Dorian enjoys advantages Little Ronnie doesn't have
Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
Ronnie's load of parts can't touch this kid , sorry
I hope this helps.
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Only 3 people Hulkster??? Please tell me you are not that stupid.
Random youtube quote I just found in 2 seconds:
'"My respects to both of them, but i think it bodybuilding would have taken a better path if flex won that year. This was a turning point for bodybuilding. Mass Vs Proportion. The judges had it wrong this year, and now everybody thinks mass has the main priority over proportion. Flex had a flowing physique, whereas coleman was just a mass of muscle, no shape, no proportion.
Just my view."
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So, Flex won the 93O? LOL
if you paid any attention at all, you would have known that I made that comment BEFORE all the good screenshots and videos were posted.
it was made based on very limited visuals from the contest at the time.
and that was over a fucking year ago..
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you have got some reading to do.
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LOL they are saying dorian was 'perfect' yet look at his left arm. and arms (and quads) in general.
no shape, no detail, horrible. especially compared to Ronnie.
how you idiots (all three of you thankfully - rest of the world is much smarter) can look at those shots and say dorian was better shows how little you know about what good detail, shape and vascularity is..
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LMFAO three idiots go look back at the beginning of this thread and see how many people were blown away by him , so see how many said Dorian crushes Ronnie lol
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if you paid any attention at all, you would have known that I made that comment BEFORE all the good screenshots and videos were posted.
it was made based on very limited visuals from the contest at the time.
and that was over a fucking year ago..
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you have got some reading to do.
No, it proves that you don't know a damn thing about BB'ing. You come to conclusions and push them on others and you've never fuckingeven seen them live. Yet anytime anyone entered the truce thread who has seen them both and said Yates would win, you shoved them out. Fucking pathetic. You were still shitting your diapers when Yates was king.
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if you paid any attention at all, you would have known that I made that comment BEFORE all the good screenshots and videos were posted.
it was made based on very limited visuals from the contest at the time.
and that was over a fucking year ago..
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you have got some reading to do.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha what a loser he ONLY retracted because of the beating he took not because of any sceencaps , reminds me of the statement " Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time " lol
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No, it proves that you don't know a damn thing about BB'ing. You come to conclusions and push them on others and you've never fuckingeven seen them live. Yet anytime anyone entered the truce thread who has seen them both and said Yates would win, you shoved them out. Fucking pathetic. You were still shitting your diapers when Yates was king.
owned man this was a Great post !
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No, it proves that you don't know a damn thing about BB'ing. You come to conclusions and push them on others and you've never fuckingeven seen them live. Yet anytime anyone entered the truce thread who has seen them both and said Yates would win, you shoved them out. Fucking pathetic. You were still shitting your diapers when Yates was king.
Hey don't forget Ronnie 99 has better calves too lol
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I mean this front double biceps shot is just mindblowing its perfect and lacks nothing
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I mean this front double biceps shot is just mindblowing its perfect and lacks nothing other than good arms and quads. and a trim waist.
fixed you idiot..
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fixed you idiot..
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Wow great post NOT ::)
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Ha Ha Ha meltdown
Yates untanned , no posing oil no contest lighting , Ronnie studio shots with professional lighting in contest ready conditioning lol and Dorian still has better balance & proportion is still bigger is still better conditioned
Sorry slick little Ronnie can't hang ;)
damn you have no idea what you are talking about... :-\
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damn you have no idea what you are talking about... :-\
And you do? Dorian should have lost in 93? Ronnie's calves are better than Dorians ? Ronnie has better balance & proportion ? Dorian's conditioning was a myth? do I need to continue?
Little Ronnie never had this combo of size , shape , conditioning , density , balance , proportion , completeness , he does edge Dorian out in some areas but as a whole it never matched these.
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Any pose , any angle Dorian strengths overwhelm little Ronnie
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Any pose , any angle Dorian strengths overwhelm little Ronnie
lol little ronnie?
like I said, you have no fucking clue..
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lol little ronnie?
like I said, you have no fucking clue..
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Oh you didn't know? peak Ronnie was 244 pounds and Dorian there is 269 pounds ;) and softer Ronnie is 257 pounds and Dorian is you guessed it still 269 pounds lol that makes him little next to 269 pounds of granite , grainy dense Yates
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You're just being contrary seriously the only advantage Ronnie shows in terms of separation is the rectus femoris and he lags behind in tensor fasciae late & satorius
bullshit.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/02%20BFTO/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman5.jpg)
by the way, this is the tensor fascia lata. I can't believe you're arguing over such a minor muscle.
(http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/LIF/LIF127/3D702007.jpg)
Ronnie's quads have Dorian's beat in muscular bulk? 2001 ASC compared to a 269 pound Dorian doubtful, 2003 absolutely , separartions in the rectus femoris sure , striations ? where are these striations? I haven't seen striations in Ronnie's quads since 1996 an shape? says who you?
right here.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/Ronnie_Coleman_35a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman55.jpg)
and that does NOT make up for his lack of balanced legs you think having really great quads can compensate for having injected calves? that lack the classic diamond shape , lack proportionate size devoid of any separation & development of the gastrocmenous inner & outer heads , you got another thing coming kid
Ronnie may not have proportionate calves, but they are not injected and have good definition - NOT the greatest - but good enough.
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Fuck me you're borderline retarded I'm telling you what symmetry is you're not telling me Flex Wheeler is known as the " Sultan of Symmetry " you think he has a balanced physique? now I'm going to crush your fucking stupidity even further , telling me I just made shit up to support my argument
yawn, go home kid. The reason Flex was called "the Sultan of Symmetry" is b/c of his left to right balance.
Now here is an IFBB judge commenting on Dorian's advantages in symmetry
Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect, Everything is in proportion, no weak bodyparts.
so if Dorian's symmetry is "almost perfect," then Ronnie's must be perfect since he has better symmetry according to Lee Priest. ;)
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Oh you didn't know? peak Ronnie was 244 pounds and Dorian there is 269 pounds ;) and softer Ronnie is 257 pounds and Dorian is you guessed it still 269 pounds lol that makes him little next to 269 pounds of granite , grainy dense Yates
like everyone keeps asking you:
where do you come up with this shit? ::)
you honestly have made an internet career out of posting descriptions that do not even remotely approach accuracy in real life:
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look at ronnie owning dorian in dryness, definition, conditioning, shape, detail and vascularity.
its no contest.
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Look at this combo of size , shape , balance and dense granite conditioning , Little Ronnie's collection of parts can't match this no one could , now imagine this tanned , posing oil , contest ready lighting next to little Ronnie lol Ronnie would look like a child next to this , look at the striated pecs , the striations on the delts you can even see his sharply defined abdominals his arms are massive this shot is flawless
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=214825;image)
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01 ASC
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie96.jpg)
02 BFTO
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/2002BFTO-RonnieColeman111.jpg)
03 Mr Olympia
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman100.jpg)
take your pick
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seriously people, look at the size of their heads in comparison to their bodies. Ronnie at the 03 Mr. Olympia would make Dorian his b*tch.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=214825;image)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/03%20Mr%20Olympia/RonnieColeman140a.jpg)
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bullshit.
by the way, this is the tensor fascia lata. I can't believe you're arguing over such a minor muscle.
right here.
Ronnie may not have proportionate calves, but they are not injected and have good definition - NOT the greatest - but good enough.
bullshit.
No not bullshit same nonsense , see the only real advantage in terms of separation for Ronnie is the rectus femoris
by the way, this is the tensor fascia lata. I can't believe you're arguing over such a minor muscle.
By the way you don't have to TRY and teach me what the muscle is ;) I know what it is and its been argued by your comrades calves are a minor muscle as well , the point stands Dorian shows better separation of this ' minor ' muscle
right here.
again keep trying to accumulate parts it doesn't work that way , you'll get no argument from me about the size of Ronnie's quads 2003 but does his physique suffer because of the size of them? especially in 2003? absolutely way to massive for his calves , overall his physique suffers in the balance & proportion department because of it
Ronnie may not have proportionate calves, but they are not injected and have good definition - NOT the greatest - but good enough.
He doesn't have proportionate calves , developed calves , separated calves and forget your ' good ' size nonsense they don't have good size to match his quads , and bull shit his calves aren't injected thats nonsense check out the recent pic his calves are absolutely GONE that doesn't happen to calves even with a layoff , calves are one of the hardest muscles to develop and once they're built they stay built look at Arnold and Yates , who said he hasn't trained his calves in three years and they're still bigger and better than anyone in bodybuilding , and Ronnie's are just fucking gone I mean that doesn't happen unless they're injected
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yawn, go home kid. The reason Flex was called "the Sultan of Symmetry" is b/c of his left to right balance.
so if Dorian's symmetry is "almost perfect," then Ronnie's must be perfect since he has better symmetry according to Lee Priest. ;)
yawn, go home kid. The reason Flex was called "the Sultan of Symmetry" is b/c of his left to right balance.
This is among the dumbest posts' you've made almost as bad as Dorian's conditioning was the result of poor skin ::) I mean you got owned on what the definition of symmetry was and now you're guilty of doing exactly what you accused me of , making shit up to fit your argument lol hypocrite and an ignorant one on top of that especially in the light of part of the definition of symmetry , Neo you're not on my level you're stop stupid to learn and biased
so if Dorian's symmetry is "almost perfect," then Ronnie's must be perfect since he has better symmetry according to Lee Priest. ;)
In terms of naturally small waist & hips and small joints Ronnie had the advantage in terms balance & proportion Ronnie enjoys NO advantage overall Dorian still has better conditioning & density , still has better balance & proportion just ask the IFBB judge Bev Francis ;)
just when you thought you made some ground , you've done nothing , keep post though I enjoy teaching you what bodybuilding is and isn't ;)
lets see you've been corrected on symmetry , conditioning , density , and balance & proportion , need any help with completness?
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like everyone keeps asking you:
where do you come up with this shit? ::)
you honestly have made an internet career out of posting descriptions that do not even remotely approach accuracy in real life:
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Wow-Wee Hulkster great ' comparison Ronnie's calves are the same size as Dorians lol and the fucking irony of you bitching about descriptions that don't match real life lol Ronnie's calves the same size as Dorians lol
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Do we not already have a 1500 page thread about this?
Shit, keep over there. It's the same shit, round and round and round again....>:(
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01 ASC
03 Mr Olympia
take your pick
Yeah take a pick , any year Ronnie still cannot handle Dorian's combo from head to toe , completeness , balance & proportion , density & conditioning , muscular bulk
Ronnie 2001 may have matched Yates for conditioning still sucks compared to balance & proportion , he down as much as 25 pounds of pure quality muscle and he's still incomplete
Ronnie BFTO and 2003 are interchangable can't match Yates for conditioning & density , has Yates on muscular bulk although its not quality conditioned size , still lags behind Yates in balance & proportion , completeness
again overall , all things considered Dorian at 269 crushes little Ronnie and big Ronnie
Dorian is flawless , massive everywhere , has unequaled balance & proportion , outstanding conditioning & density , is a better technical poser , Ronnie can't compare sorry .
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ND is having a meltdown. ;D
he's resorted to making up bodybuilding definitions, posting quotes that contradict each other (e.g. one guy says Dorian has near perfect symmetry while another says Ronnie has better symmetry), accusing the Ronnie fans of using photoshop, and ignoring quotes and visual evidence when it goes against him.
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Look at this combo of size , shape , balance and dense granite conditioning , Little Ronnie's collection of parts can't match this no one could , now imagine this tanned , posing oil , contest ready lighting next to little Ronnie lol Ronnie would look like a child next to this , look at the striated pecs , the striations on the delts you can even see his sharply defined abdominals his arms are massive this shot is flawless
Get a hotel room you're in love. :-* :-* :-*
Flawless sure keep resorting to those black & white shots because there are no contest shots that are similar. BTW these "flawless" shots show him bigger but at the cost of definition you lovesick blockhead. :D
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This is among the dumbest posts' you've made almost as bad as Dorian's conditioning was the result of poor skin ::) I mean you got owned on what the definition of symmetry was and now you're guilty of doing exactly what you accused me of , making shit up to fit your argument lol hypocrite and an ignorant one on top of that especially in the light of part of the definition of symmetry , Neo you're not on my level you're stop stupid to learn and biased
In terms of naturally small waist & hips and small joints Ronnie had the advantage in terms balance & proportion Ronnie enjoys NO advantage overall Dorian still has better conditioning & density , still has better balance & proportion just ask the IFBB judge Bev Francis ;)
just when you thought you made some ground , you've done nothing , keep post though I enjoy teaching you what bodybuilding is and isn't ;)
lets see you've been corrected on symmetry , conditioning , density , and balance & proportion , need any help with completness?
Wait a minute...please tell me he did not say Dorian's condition was due to bad skin? hahahahahahahahahah
What kind of morons are we dealing with here? LOL
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look at ronnie owning dorian in dryness, definition, conditioning, shape, detail and vascularity.
its no contest.
look at Hulkster typing the same word over to fluff up his imaginary advantages ,detail , dryness , definition and conditioning are all the same lol what an ignorant fuck lol
stick to the criteria fan-boy ;)
balance & proportion
muscular bulk
conditioning & density
completeness
thats Dorian Yates
269 pounds vs Ronnie's 257 pounds , much better balance & proportion , better density & conditioning , better poser , more complete NO injected calves
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I mean this front double biceps shot is just mindblowing its perfect and lacks nothing
LOL the arms are *still* too small as well as pasty and lacking defintion you idiot.
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Get a hotel room you're in love. :-* :-* :-*
Flawless sure keep resorting to those black & white shots because there are no contest shots that are similar. BTW these "flawless" shots show him bigger but at the cost of definition you lovesick blockhead. :D
In case you missed it there is a video on page 1 that ended the truce thread, you may want to view it. When you do, you will see a physique that has not been surpassed. 269lbs @ 2% bodyfat whereas Coleman was somewhere in the 3-3.5% range at the 1998/9 Olympia (Plus smaller size too).
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Learn this time you twit-here's the same guy in contest condition, arms shrunk to 17" guns hahahaahhahah
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LOL the arms are *still* too small as well as pasty and lacking defintion you idiot.
What the hell is with you and this pasty shit? Are u queer?
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If you're gonna resort to bulked-up shots of The Keg that have nothing to do with his contest condition, here's Coleman equally bulked up but still with definition.
Unlike pasty Yates and his ham-like arms with zero definition that are still too small for the barrel torso & fire hydrant waist LOL
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What the hell is with you and this pasty shit? Are u queer?
hahaha what a great comeback. ::) Fight your ADD and stay on topic, even when losing. ;D
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Wait a minute...please tell me he did not say Dorian's condition was due to bad skin? hahahahahahahahahah
What kind of morons are we dealing with here? LOL
once again ND with his reading comprehension problems misinforming everyone of a comment I made. What I actually said is that Dorian's "grainy" appearance was most likely caused by acne. His body was covered in disgusting growths.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-BadSkin1.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-BadSkin8.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-BadSkin7.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-BadSkin3.jpg)
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hahaha what a great comeback. ::) Fight your ADD and stay on topic, even when losing. ;D
Please answer the question.
I need to know if I am arguing with a queer (per the self-picture in your avatar).
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In case you missed it there is a video on page 1 that ended the truce thread, you may want to view it. When you do, you will see a physique that has not been surpassed. 269lbs @ 2% bodyfat whereas Coleman was somewhere in the 3-3.5% range at the 1998/9 Olympia (Plus smaller size too).
U do very well typing with one hand while slobbering over the keg's shots.
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Please answer the question.
I need to know if I am arguing with a queer (per the self-picture in your avatar).
The fact that this would matter speaks volumes about you and your skinhead, UK nationalist background i'm afraid.
Hope this helps
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once again ND with his reading comprehension problems misinforming everyone of a comment I made. What I actually said is that Dorian's "grainy" appearance was most likely caused by acne. His body was covered in disgusting growths.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-BadSkin1.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-BadSkin8.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-BadSkin7.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates-BadSkin3.jpg)
this is true. acne adds more ugliness to one of the ugliest physiques of our time already :-\
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Yates is the posterchild for U-G-L-Y physique. Palumbo laughs at him.
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Now it appears you are racist too?
>:(
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Now it appears you are racist too?
>:(
Stop worrying about my sexual persuasion...
:-* :-* :-* :-*
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ND is having a meltdown. ;D
he's resorted to making up bodybuilding definitions, posting quotes that contradict each other (e.g. one guy says Dorian has near perfect symmetry while another says Ronnie has better symmetry), accusing the Ronnie fans of using photoshop, and ignoring quotes and visual evidence when it goes against him.
wow great try Neo ::)
bodybuilding.com http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/glossnz.htm#s oh snap Neo got owned again lol making up definitions huh? lol again if you knew what symmetry was you'd know that Ronnie does have an advantage in a part of symmetry and Dorian as clear advantage in the other part , hence the ' contradicting ' quotes its about context , do you need the definition for that as well? ;)
accusing Ronnie fans of using photoshopped pics? lol fuck this is going to be bad for you Neo lol please refer to the pics I post lol first is Bizzy admitting he ' adjusts ' pictures and the second pic is the proof of more tampering vs the original ! fuck me Neo thats twice you just got owned in this post alone nevermind all the others
And as far as ignoring quotes thats an outright LIE on your behalf I've addressed every single quote you ever posted ;) and visual evidence you mean photoshopped pics? lol and everything you just accused me of you're guilty of lol that makes you a hypocrite and grasping at straws claiming a meltdown if I was melting down I would call some one a " dirty Mexican " hey wait you did that !!
man you just got owned in grand fashion lol Neo you're not in my league , never will be in my league like Ronnie you have to many weaknesses ;)
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This goes beyond UGLY :-X
(http://i.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Ronnie_Coleman.jpg)
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once again ND with his reading comprehension problems misinforming everyone of a comment I made. What I actually said is that Dorian's "grainy" appearance was most likely caused by acne. His body was covered in disgusting growths.
Thats your claim and its still laughable ;)
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Now it appears you are racist too?
>:(
why does he appear racist?
because I have news for you:
it doesn't matter if this physique was white, black, purple or blue
it is still damn ugly because of the lack of shape, cuts detail you name it.
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At least Yates went out on top, never turning into a disaster like this :-X
(http://www.ironews.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/WindowsLiveWriter/CoolphotoofRonnieColeman_14CEF/image%7B0%7D%5B2%5D.png)
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The sad part is, that side tri isn't much different from the 1999 version :(
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This goes beyond UGLY :-X
(http://i.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Ronnie_Coleman.jpg)
no it does not: :-X
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why does he appear racist?
because I have news for you:
it doesn't matter if this physique was white, black, purple or blue
it is still damn ugly because of the lack of shape, cuts detail you name it.
Bob Paris eat you're heart out lol
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The sad part is, that side tri isn't much different from the 1999 version :(
listen, I know british are infamous for their bad teeth, but I had no idea that their eyesight was that bad as well! :P
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Dorian isn't even fully flexed in any of those shots :-\ ::)
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listen, I know british are infamous for their bad teeth, but I had no idea that their eyesight was that bad as well! :P
Thanks for proving my point. The 1999 side tri is almost the same as the 07 one :-X Non-existent stick calves, skinny looking side thigh, smooth, watery midsection and ugly/small lateral head of triceps. Plus, horrid posing.
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Wait a minute...please tell me he did not say Dorian's condition was due to bad skin? hahahahahahahahahah
What kind of morons are we dealing with here? LOL
Oh yes thats Neo's claim lol
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The bottom line is, Hulkster fears Yates at his best and knows Coleman would lose. Why else would he come in here and muck everything up with the same pictures he's been posting for over a year now? ::)
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listen, I know british are infamous for their bad teeth, but I had no idea that their eyesight was that bad as well! :P
Ronnie has a terrible side triceps shot his biceps/triceps dominate his small forearms , the sidehead of his triceps sucks , his abdomen is swollen he has no definition in his obliques , his quads dominate his hams in profile , they dominate his injected calves notice Ronnie tries to minimize his pathetic calves by just bending his knee instead of flexing the leg lol
let me show you how its done ;)
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wow great try Neo
bodybuilding.com http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/glossnz.htm#s oh snap Neo got owned again lol making up definitions huh? lol
oh, I'm sorry. I was unaware that bodybuilding.com wrote the official IFBB judging criteria. ::)
again if you knew what symmetry was you'd know that Ronnie does have an advantage in a part of symmetry and Dorian as clear advantage in the other part , hence the ' contradicting ' quotes its about context , do you need the definition for that as well?
Lee Priest specifically used the umbrella term "symmetry" when referring to Ronnie. He could have used a more descriptive word but he didn't. So spare me your lame response about context.
accusing Ronnie fans of using photoshopped pics? lol fuck this is going to be bad for you Neo lol please refer to the pics I post lol first is Bizzy admitting he ' adjusts ' pictures and the second pic is the proof of more tampering vs the original ! fuck me Neo thats twice you just got owned in this post alone nevermind all the others
did you not repeatedly post the 99 Mr. Olympia screen caps, asking which is the real one? ;)
And as far as ignoring quotes thats an outright LIE on your behalf I've addressed every single quote you ever posted and visual evidence you mean photoshopped pics? lol and everything you just accused me of you're guilty of lol that makes you a hypocrite and grasping at straws claiming a meltdown if I was melting down I would call some one a " dirty Mexican " hey wait you did that !!
you post an opinion from Peter McGough claiming Dorian is the driest bodybuilder of all-time and expect me to accept it as fact, yet you ignore a quote from the same guy saying Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. You've also ignored other quotes I've posted about Ronnie when it doesn't suit you.
Consider yourself owned.
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The bottom line is, Hulkster fears Yates at his best and knows Coleman would lose. Why else would he come in here and muck everything up with the same pictures he's been posting for over a year now? ::)
You're damn right he does lol he knows Ronnie 99 would look like a collection of impressive parts standing next to Dorian 269 lol he's deathly afraid and should be lol I mean seriously , did you see what he typed after watching the vid? " oh he looks good " GOOD LOL I beat he punches his monitor when he watched that vid I bet he knew he was in a world of pain watching that and feared coming back here
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You're damn right he does lol he knows Ronnie 99 would look like a collection of impressive parts standing next to Dorian 269 lol he's deathly afraid and should be lol I mean seriously , did you see what he typed after watching the vid? " oh he looks good " GOOD LOL I beat he punches his monitor when he watched that vid I bet he knew he was in a world of pain watching that and feared coming back here
so true, so true. Great post !!
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oh, I'm sorry. I was unaware that bodybuilding.com wrote the official IFBB judging criteria. ::)
Lee Priest specifically used the umbrella term "symmetry" when referring to Ronnie. He could have used a more descriptive word but he didn't. So spare me your lame response about context.
did you not repeatedly post the 99 Mr. Olympia screen caps, asking which is the real one? ;)
you post an opinion from Peter McGough claiming Dorian is the driest bodybuilder of all-time and expect me to accept it as fact, yet you ignore a quote from the same guy saying Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. You've also ignored other quotes I've posted about Ronnie when it doesn't suit you.
Consider yourself owned.
oh, I'm sorry. I was unaware that bodybuilding.com wrote the official IFBB judging criteria. ::)
You're a fucking idiot and you accused me of making definitions up I proved you soundly wrong and you owe me an apology ;)
Lee Priest specifically used the umbrella term "symmetry" when referring to Ronnie. He could have used a more descriptive word but he didn't. So spare me your lame response about context.
so what Bev Francis specifically said Dorian's symmetry is almost perfect because she was using it under another context , does that mean Dorian has naturally small hips & waist and small joints does that mean because she used the ' umbrella term ' its entirely true? or course not its in context of his relative strengths in part of the meaning , Dorian never lost a symmetry round in his pro career does that mean he was always the most symmetrical in all aspects of the word? NO you're playing with words
did you not repeatedly post the 99 Mr. Olympia screen caps, asking which is the real one? ;)
after the fourth version sure , what does that have to do with anything? bizzy admitted to fixing them and Hulkster keep posting them and here is the best part the one I posted is yet another lol I proved my point your comrades have posted photoshopped pics period.
you post an opinion from Peter McGough claiming Dorian is the driest bodybuilder of all-time and expect me to accept it as fact, yet you ignore a quote from the same guy saying Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. You've also ignored other quotes I've posted about Ronnie when it doesn't suit you.
WRONG again , points to ponder of simple one , conditioning isn't subjective ( oh snap ) and I was the one who posted the quote from McGough about Ronnie being unbeatable so how the fuck could I ignore it? owned and its subjective as well its NOT a fact its very much open for debate and ontop of that he also said in the same breathe hat there was a contender for best physique he ever saw other than Coleman and that was Yates 269 ( ignore that ;) ) , damn you're getting owned left & right lol
Consider yourself owned.
lol
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ND is having a meltdown. Grin
he's resorted to making up bodybuilding definitions,.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/glossnz.htm#s Neo = owned
fuck me you thought you had something Neo lol I'll accept your apology as soon as you're man enough to give it ;)
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The bottom line is, Hulkster fears Yates at his best and knows Coleman would lose. Why else would he come in here and muck everything up with the same pictures he's been posting for over a year now? ::)
Hi ND.
::)
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Hi ND.
::)
Well it's obvious thats why you insist on posting every single pic except his best ;)
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Well it's obvious thats why you insist on posting every single pic except his best ;)
here is he at his 93 best and guess what?
he gets owned.
any more questions?
::)
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notice how much drier ronnie is..
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LOL ND fears 99 ronnie because he is far better than dorian's 93 best:
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here is he at his 93 best and guess what?
he gets owned.
any more questions?
::)
1993 he's still better conditioned , he still has the edge in density , he still has better balance & proportion and he's still more complete
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LOL ND fears 99 ronnie because he is far better than dorian's 93 best:
Still not using the best shots ;) for a reason
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Do we not already have a 1500 page thread about this?
Shit, keep over there. It's the same shit, round and round and round again....>:(
It's the truce thread part 2
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It's the truce thread part 2
Well Hulkster lost the first one , now he's trying hard on this one lol it was the Yates thread but you know Hulkster.
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wow great try Neo ::)
bodybuilding.com http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/glossnz.htm#s oh snap Neo got owned again lol making up definitions huh? lol again if you knew what symmetry was you'd know that Ronnie does have an advantage in a part of symmetry and Dorian as clear advantage in the other part , hence the ' contradicting ' quotes its about context , do you need the definition for that as well? ;)
accusing Ronnie fans of using photoshopped pics? lol fuck this is going to be bad for you Neo lol please refer to the pics I post lol first is Bizzy admitting he ' adjusts ' pictures and the second pic is the proof of more tampering vs the original ! fuck me Neo thats twice you just got owned in this post alone nevermind all the others
And as far as ignoring quotes thats an outright LIE on your behalf I've addressed every single quote you ever posted ;) and visual evidence you mean photoshopped pics? lol and everything you just accused me of you're guilty of lol that makes you a hypocrite and grasping at straws claiming a meltdown if I was melting down I would call some one a " dirty Mexican " hey wait you did that !!
man you just got owned in grand fashion lol Neo you're not in my league , never will be in my league like Ronnie you have to many weaknesses ;)
I am getting tired of explaining this because it keeps getting brought up.
First of all I've been honest in everything I've done which is not much.
ND, You once again question my honesty saying I tampered with the original
which implies that you don't believe my explination earlier. That was from my
1st VCR to DVD transfer. Take a good look at the pics and you will see they are
not the same pic. Flex's head is closer to CC's in my pic. I took 3 screencaps to make a joke
about Ronnie looking @ different bodyparts and commenting on them. Hulkster unknowingly
used some of these pics. He doesn't anymore. I quickly made some adjustments to the lighting
because the transfer wasn't that great. I overdid the contrast and they look ok but pretty
crappy from an artistic standpoint. (It is hard to make Coleman 99 look bad no matter what you do.)
If a picture is too dark I may lighten it a little much like you would use an EQ on your stereo to make
the sound better. I've done this for years on all kinds of pics long before I started posting here. I've been very careful with Coleman's pics since you incesintly bring this up as an excuse. No one complains when I make Yates pics look better.
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Notice Flex's head is closer to CC's in my pic. I didn't mess with the original SC.
This is one of 3 pics from my 1st VCR to DVD transfer with the
contrast too high.
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My 3 caps of Ronnie looking at different body parts.
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ND, You once again question my honesty saying I tampered with the original
which implies that you don't believe my explination earlier.
Were you expecting otherwise from a paranoid?
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I am getting tired of explaining this because it keeps getting brought up.
First of all I've been honest in everything I've done which is not much.
ND, You once again question my honesty saying I tampered with the original
which implies that you don't believe my explination earlier. That was from my
1st VCR to DVD transfer. Take a good look at the pics and you will see they are
not the same pic. Flex's head is closer to CC's in my pic. I took 3 screencaps to make a joke
about Ronnie looking @ different bodyparts and commenting on them. Hulkster unknowingly
used some of these pics. He doesn't anymore. I quickly made some adjustments to the lighting
because the transfer wasn't that great. I overdid the contrast and they look ok but pretty
crappy from an artistic standpoint. (It is hard to make Coleman 99 look bad no matter what you do.)
If a picture is too dark I may lighten it a little much like you would use an EQ on your stereo to make
the sound better. I've done this for years on all kinds of pics long before I started posting here. I've been very careful with Coleman's pics since you incesintly bring this up as an excuse. No one complains when I make Yates pics look better.
No one is asking you to lighten Yates pics and again you tampered with the original screen cap and I gave you praise for being honest about it , but its ' adjusted ' none the less its not an excuse its a fact
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Were you expecting otherwise from a paranoid?
how is that paranoid ? lol he admitted to adjusting it that my stupid friend is a fact
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Ronnie was better.
End of discussion.
Yates looked great in '93, but Ronnie would beat him in every mandatory pose if you discounted calves.
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Ronnie was better.
End of discussion.
Yates looked great in '93, but Ronnie would beat him in every mandatory pose if you discounted calves.
lmfao talk about blanket statements lol and if you discounted balance & proportion , and discounted density & conditioning and if you discounted completeness and if you discounted posing
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lmfao talk about blanket statements lol and if you discounted balance & proportion , and discounted density & conditioning and if you discounted completeness and if you discounted posing
Density and conditioning? Ronnie won on those and most people would tend to agree with me. Completeness? Dorian's biceps tended to disapprear during his rear double-bi, so isn't that just as bad as Ronnie's small calves?
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Density and conditioning? Ronnie won on those and most people would tend to agree with me. Completeness? Dorian's biceps tended to disapprear during his rear double-bi, so isn't that just as bad as Ronnie's small calves?
Ronnie's density & conditioning were only outstanding in 1998 and 2001 both years he was bone dry & rock hard , Dorian's conditioning is legendary
and let me know if you can see Dorian's biceps now ;) and Dorian's biceps may not be as great as Ronnie's but they're real not injected garbage like Coleman's calves
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No one is asking you to lighten Yates pics and again you tampered with the original screen cap and I gave you praise for being honest about it , but its ' adjusted ' none the less its not an excuse its a fact
If you are referring to the screen cap where he is looking at his bicep
then I did not mess with the original. You can tell it's my own screen cap.
1. Flex's head is closer to CC's than the original.
2. If you notice the guy on the left of the screen it's obvious that the camera has panned farther left
because you can see more of him in my pic. I bet the caps are less than a second
apart but they are not the same.
That screen cap came from my VCR tape to my DVD
recorder to my computer. If you are referring to a different screen cap that I've already
admitted to adjusting then it was probably a very dark one where you couldn't hardly see much.
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I will cease any arguement with you as I have a great deal of respect for you. I mean, you are sort of like a genie; giving awesome pictures at request and I have great respect of you for that.
I like both Dorian and Ronnie to be honest, but it's just difficult to compare post 1998 bber pics with early 90's pics. Personally, I think 90's were the best in terms of sheer mass and conditioning. Post 2000 has turned into a joke and the 2007 Mr. O was perhaps the biggest joke ever. However, 1998, 2000, 2003 Ronnie = huge, conditioned and just freaky.
I'd take Ronnie, but that's just my opinion. I wont debdate it.
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One more thing I just noticed...
Look at the guys arm in relation to the column in the background left.
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I will cease any arguement with you as I have a great deal of respect for you. I mean, you are sort of like a genie; giving awesome pictures at request and I have great respect of your for that.
I like both Dorian and Ronnie to be honest, but it's just difficult to compare post 1998 bber pics with early 90's pics. Personally, I think 90's were the best in terms of sheer mass and conditioning. Post 2000 has turned into a joke and the 2007 Mr. O was perhaps the biggest joke ever. However, 1998, 2000, 2003 Ronnie = huge, conditioned and just freaky.
I'd take Ronnie, but that's just my opinion. I wont debdate it.
I respect your opinion ! :)
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Ok, as for the "grainy" thing...I agree that Dorian had acne in his back at the 1993 Olympia, but I don't think that this is responsible for his graininess. Acne cannot make you look harder. Put lots of pustules in a bodybuilder's body and he won't look harder than he did with a clear complexion. At the 1995 Olympia, Dorian was at his grainiest, and his epidermis had no acne, pustules or eruptions. Since graininess is used as a synonym for hardness, and since acne does not make you look harder, then acne cannot be responsible for graininess. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ok, as for the "grainy" thing...I agree that Dorian had acne in his back at the 1993 Olympia, but I don't think that this is responsible for his graininess. Acne cannot make you look harder. Put lots of pustules in a bodybuilder's body and he won't look harder than he did with a clear complexion. At the 1995 Olympia, Dorian was at his grainiest, and his epidermis had no acne, pustules or eruptions. Since graininess is used as a synonym for hardness, and since acne does make you look harder, then acne cannot be respopnsible for graininess. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
How about Hulkster now claiming Ronnie 99 was more grainy than Dorian ever was lol I kid you not.
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How about Hulkster now claiming Ronnie 99 was more grainy than Dorian ever was lol I kid you not.
Trying to convince Hulkster that Ronnie is not superior to every bodybuilder who ever stepped onstage at everything is like trying to convince Osama Bin Laden that Jehovah and not Alah is the real God. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Trying to convince Hulkster that Ronnie is not superior to every bodybuilder who ever stepped onstage at everything is like trying to convince Osama Bin Laden that Jehovah and not Alah is the real God. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Ha Ha Ha Ha Great analogy ! you're the fucking man . ;)
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The mods locked the Truce thread a few days ago. It has gone on
around 1 1/2 years if I'm correct. It needs to come down to
some kind of exciting ending other than just getting locked up.
What about starting a new thread to end the Truce thread. It
would be a poll of who was better. Give it plenty of time for people
to vote. (Say a month for example.) Maybe a sticky if someone
can arrange it with a Mod.
Something like: "The Poll to end the Truce Thread"
At the end whoever has the most votes wins. If Hulkster or ND could set this up
it would be a much cooler way of ending this than the thread eventually getting locked up.
They've done something similar at MD (where I got the idea) and it is neck and neck right now.
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=6171 (http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=6171)
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I am getting tired of explaining this because it keeps getting brought up.
it keeps getting brought up because its the ONLY way for ND to discredit the domination of ronnie over dorian.
the same screencaps were posted untouched before and dorian was dominated.
ND cried fake.
now the same shots (adjusted slightly along WITH the dorian shots) are posted.
dorian STILL dominated.
but now, ND can completely disregard anything shown in the pics according to him... ::)
he is even saying that older untouched pics are altered.
its an excuse brought up every single time now a shot of dorian is dominated (which is almost all of them).
it gets brought up all the time because dorian is dominated all the time.
and don't expect ND and Co. to understand or learn anything you say.
this has been cleary established that they lack the basic understanding skill to learn anything.
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it keeps getting brought up because its the ONLY way for ND to discredit the domination of ronnie over dorian.
the same screencaps were posted untouched before and dorian was dominated.
ND cried fake.
now the same shots (adjusted slightly along WITH the dorian shots) are posted.
dorian STILL dominated.
but now, ND can completely disregard anything shown in the pics according to him... ::)
he is even saying that older untouched pics are altered.
its an excuse brought up every single time now a shot of dorian is dominated (which is almost all of them).
it gets brought up all the time because dorian is dominated all the time.
and don't expect ND and Co. to understand or learn anything you say.
this has been cleary established that they lack the basic understanding skill to learn anything.
damn you're melting down on every thread lol
proof Hulkster knowingly used photoshopped pics because he needs to ;)
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damn you're melting down on every thread lol
proof Hulkster knowingly used photoshopped pics because he needs to ;)
question for ND:
how does the COLOUR change the fact that the vascularity and detail were miles ahead of anything dorian ever presented?
you are quick to discount an adjusted pic, but you fail to explain why a pic adjusted for colour changes everything displayed in the pic.
typical move for the unintelligent who does not know how to defend a position in a debate... :-\
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question for ND:
how does the COLOUR change the fact that the vascularity and detail were miles ahead of anything dorian ever presented?
you are quick to discount an adjusted pic, but you fail to explain why a pic adjusted for colour changes everything displayed in the pic.
typical move for the unintelligent who does not know how to defend a position in a debate... :-\
Oh I agree the pics were fine as is , but that doesn't change the FACT you knowlingly used photoshopped pics ;)
bottom line you're so desperate you've been reduced to using photoshopped pics because Dorian crushes ANYTHING Ronnie has shown
you cling to vascularity & detail as if thats how contest are solely judged on NOT how it works , you being the dummy you are don't realize contest are judged on the following
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.
and according to that Dorian is better than Ronnie in almost every single mandatory pose.
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The mods locked the Truce thread a few days ago. It has gone on
around 1 1/2 years if I'm correct. It needs to come down to
some kind of exciting ending other than just getting locked up.
What about starting a new thread to end the Truce thread. It
would be a poll of who was better. Give it plenty of time for people
to vote. (Say a month for example.) Maybe a sticky if someone
can arrange it with a Mod.
Something like: "The Poll to end the Truce Thread"
At the end whoever has the most votes wins. If Hulkster or ND could set this up
it would be a much cooler way of ending this than the thread eventually getting locked up.
They've done something similar at MD (where I got the idea) and it is neck and neck right now.
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=6171 (http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=6171)
You don't think any of those things have been tried before??? Don't forget this thread started because of a former thread called "Ronnie vs. Dorian" and with it's many offspring since there is no end in sight unless either Ronnie or Dorian come on here and say the other was better.
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even ronnie in relatively bad shape (2000) has a taper and proportion that kill dorian:
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notice the arms that are in proportion (unlike dorian's twigs) and the pleasing quads sweep, absent in the one armed bandit.
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even ronnie in relatively bad shape (2000) has a taper and proportion that kill dorian:
Yeah because thats all the look at contests lol is taper , proportion LMFAO how can he be proportinate with NO calves and NO forearms his glutes can be seen from the front he looks pregnant in transition shots his proportion sucks and the fact you think its better than Dorian shows how little you know about competitive bodybuilding and how its judged
wow taper and detail thats all you need to win contests lol
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notice the arms that are in proportion (unlike dorian's twigs) and the pleasing quads sweep, absent in the one armed bandit.
lmfao you posted a pic where Dorian's bicep isn't torn lol meltdown ;)
Dorian crushes Ronnie in balance & proportion you can't be proportionate with injected calves and forarms that look like sticks ;)
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notice the arms that are in proportion (unlike dorian's twigs) and the pleasing quads sweep, absent in the one armed bandit.
Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?
The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .
notice she references Ronnie and his load of parts lol
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Flea Labrada is making Flex look about as wide as my 7 year old niece.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=215124;image)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Flea Labrada is making Flex look about as wide as my 7 year old niece.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=215124;image)
Flex didn't have the widest clavicles probably why he started injecting his delts to appear wider.
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Bizzy,
Your idea is an atrocious one, and yes, it has been done here before. It proved nothing and I will tell you why. The majority of people on this forum and other BB forums (especially BB.com) are of quite young age and like Hulkster, were shitting their diapers when Yates was dominating. Can you believe Hulkster said Flex won the 1993 Mr. Olympia? Dorian's condition was a myth? This is what we are dealing with as a BB community. Coleman is recent and that's all people really know. In the next 10-15 years when the next hot shit rolls around with better vascularity and water logged mass due to newer drugs, Coleman will be an afterthought. The people in the know (i.e. me, ND, sucky, ironage, icecold, many others here at GB) know that Yates wins against Coleman becuase he fits the official IFBB judging criteria better than Coleman. This is FACT hence the 6 Sandow trophies on his mantel. Yet, pumpster, hulkster et al want to reduce it to "politics." However, they cannot explain why a guy from Birmingham, England would get preferential treatment. My opinion is that they disagree with the IFBB judging criteria more so than anything. For example, Hulkster keeps bringing up vascularity. Go read the official judging criteria and tell me where it lists vascularity as an advantage, or something that is even judged. IF vascularity was even important Paul Dillet would have placed much higher at the Mr. Olympia. Instead, it made him look grotesque. How do you explain the fact that competitors such as Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler (I mean come on, didn't you say this was one of the top physiques ever, how could it be since he had NO vascularity? ::) ), Dorian Yates all dominated yet had relatively little vascularity compared to some other, lesser placing competitors, such as Coleman. Finally, the most dumbfounding thing about team Coleman is the fact that they knock Yates for his poorer showing years and then act like Coleman was never out of shape. How about 2000? How about 2001? How about 2002? How about 2004? Why was Ronnie Coleman booed off the stage at the 2002 Mr. Olympia? I don't expect to hear any answers to these questions from Hulkster & Co. because answering them truthfully would undermine their entire argument, the entire fantasy they have been living in this thread. Now I'll sit back and continue to watch ND own Hulkster ad nauseam.
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Bizzy,
Your idea is an atrocious one, and yes, it has been done here before. It proved nothing and I will tell you why. The majority of people on this forum and other BB forums (especially BB.com) are of quite young age and like Hulkster, were shitting their diapers when Yates was dominating. Can you believe Hulkster said Flex won the 1993 Mr. Olympia? Dorian's condition was a myth? This is what we are dealing with as a BB community. Coleman is recent and that's all people really know. In the next 10-15 years when the next hot shit rolls around with better vascularity and water logged mass due to newer drugs, Coleman will be an afterthought. The people in the know (i.e. me, ND, sucky, ironage, icecold, many others here at GB) know that Yates wins against Coleman becuase he fits the official IFBB judging criteria better than Coleman. This is FACT hence the 6 Sandow trophies on his mantel. Yet, pumpster, hulkster et al want to reduce it to "politics." However, they cannot explain why a guy from Birmingham, England would get preferential treatment. My opinion is that they disagree with the IFBB judging criteria more so than anything. For example, Hulkster keeps bringing up vascularity. Go read the official judging criteria and tell me where it lists vascularity as an advantage, or something that is even judged. IF vascularity was even important Paul Dillet would have placed much higher at the Mr. Olympia. Instead, it made him look grotesque. How do you explain the fact that competitors such as Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler (I mean come on, didn't you say this was one of the top physiques ever, how could it be since he had NO vascularity? ::) ), Dorian Yates all dominated yet had relatively little vascularity compared to some other, lesser placing competitors, such as Coleman. Finally, the most dumbfounding thing about team Coleman is the fact that they knock Yates for his poorer showing years and then act like Coleman was never out of shape. How about 2000? How about 2001? How about 2002? How about 2004? Why was Ronnie Coleman booed off the stage at the 2002 Mr. Olympia? I don't expect to hear any answers to these questions from Hulkster & Co. because answering them truthfully would undermine their entire argument, the entire fantasy they have been living in this thread. Now I'll sit back and continue to watch ND own Hulkster ad nauseum.
Don't forget this gem lol Hulkster is nowing claiming Ronnie Coleman is more ' grainy ' than Dorian ever was lol
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lol
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Flex didn't have the widest clavicles probably why he started injecting his delts to appear wider.
I just find it funny that so many douchebags think he was the greatest ever and the king of balance & aesthetics. He had many structural flaws along with many obvious "enhanced" body parts, wouldn't be surprised if he was a esciline junky either with his swollen looking arms and shoulders (before he put oil in them). How a guy with weak looking traps, small chest, high underdeveloped lats, fake shoulders and calves, no width and zero thickness is even mentioned among the best 10 BBer's ever is beyond me.
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I just find it funny that so many douchebags think he was the greatest ever and the king of balance & aesthetics. He had many structural flaws along with many obvious "enhanced" body parts, wouldn't be surprised if he was a esciline junky either with his swollen looking arms and shoulders (before he put oil in them). How a guy with weak looking traps, small chest, high underdeveloped lats, fake shoulders and calves, no width and zero thickness is even mentioned among the best 10 BBer's ever is beyond me.
I'm a huge Flex Wheeler fan , but you're right about him not being balanced , and his pecs are small he does not have great clavicle width , however his strengths are muscle fullness , roundness , tiny joints and muscularity and shape .
but as far as balance & proportion and natural structure he's no where near a guy like Cormier
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I'm a huge Flex Wheeler fan , but you're right about him not being balanced , and his pecs are small he does not have great clavicle width , however his strengths are muscle fullness , roundness , tiny joints and muscularity and shape .
but as far as balance & proportion and natural structure he's no where near a guy like Cormier
Totally agree with the bold faced words. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ;D honestly though it wasn't until I really took the time to analyze his phyisque that I noticed those kinds of things. Flex just has "The Look", there is something about him and makes you say WOW, but it's not till you dig down into the details that his weaknesses stand out. Well that and the fact that he seemed to sell out toward the end of his career and he now works for MD.
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Totally agree with the bold faced words. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ;D honestly though it wasn't until I really took the time to analyze his phyisque that I noticed those kinds of things. Flex just has "The Look", there is something about him and makes you say WOW, but it's not till you dig down into the details that his weaknesses stand out. Well that and the fact that he seemed to sell out toward the end of his career and he now works for MD.
Naw, you didn't see those weaknesses until he stood next to Yates. Coleman would be exposed next to Yates as well. Well, actually he was, 8 times :P
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Don't forget this gem lol Hulkster is nowing claiming Ronnie Coleman is more ' grainy ' than Dorian ever was lol
wrong. I am not 'claiming'.
I am PROVING.
note the distinction, oh unintelligent one:
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as you will note, ronnie has more graininess in his ripped dry and grainy quads than dorian did in his whole soft and puffy detailess body.
lol
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wrong. I am not 'claiming'.
I am PROVING.
note the distinction, oh unintelligent one:
This isn't worth of a dignified response , just ridicule !
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This isn't worth of a dignified response , just ridicule !
epic avoidance of the reality of the situation to avoid being proven outright wrong..
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epic avoidance of the reality of the situation to avoid being proven outright wrong..
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what good is an opinion if it is clearly and easily proven WRONG?
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what good is an opinion if it is clearly and easily proven WRONG?
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Sitting at home , never attending a pro contest , basing your severly lacking ignorant opinion pases soley on faulty means ( pics & video ) contradicting a guy who was feet away from Ronnie on both years in question and telling the man in question himself he's wrong Ronnie Coleman , the only thing you proved his how sad you are. :-\
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Sitting at home , never attending a pro contest , basing your severly lacking ignorant opinion pases soley on faulty means ( pics & video ) contradicting a guy who was feet away from Ronnie on both years in question and telling the man in question himself he's wrong Ronnie Coleman , the only thing you proved his how sad you are. :-\
hm...never attending a pro contest.
well guess what idiot:
there TONS of people in this industry (most of them in fact) who HAVE been to pro shows, have seen ronnie and dorian up close and personal, and SAY RONNIE WAS EASILY BETTER.
deal with it.
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hm...never attending a pro contest.
well guess what idiot:
there TONS of people in this industry (most of them in fact) who HAVE been to pro shows, have seen ronnie and dorian up close and personal, and SAY RONNIE WAS EASILY BETTER.
deal with it.
What does this have to do with you ascertaining his conditioning over eyewitnesses lol nice attempt to run from the question at hand lol YOU personally never attended both contests , you are soley basing your opinion off of pics and videos and your opinion not only leaves a lot to bed desired ( ignorance ) and it also contradicts two eyewitness accounts but one from the man in question HIMSELF you're working with nothing here kid
Now I'll comment on your claim of many people being there and thinking Ronnie would win , I don't deny this , I don't fear this its a subjective topic open for discussion , many say Yates would win etc it doesn't mean its fact
anything else you need corrected?
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how does the COLOUR change the fact that the vascularity and detail were miles ahead of anything dorian ever presented?
you are quick to discount an adjusted pic, but you fail to explain why a pic adjusted for colour changes everything displayed in the pic.
Hulkster, changing the contrast of a pic makes the obvioulsy causes a difference in the visibility os separations, veins, etc, in the muscle. However this is besides the point. The issue is that you can't trust a picture that has a dozen different contrasts because you can choose the contrast that adds most impressiveness. In any case, the problem I have with those pics is that the lighting helped Ronnie's separations and striations tremensously, which is not the case for Dorian. :)
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Bump for this thread! 8)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Peter McGough read this thread.
It's a shame he doesn't post here though, I've read some great stories he posted about Dorian over on IronAge.
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This is pretty good. Three weeks pre-olympia 1993
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is pretty good. Three weeks pre-olympia 1993
I think this a great post. When you consider that in 93 nothing like this monster had ever been seen before , you realise the change it signified.
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even ronnie in relatively bad shape (2000) has a taper and proportion that kill dorian:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=215123;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=215124;image)
Agreed.
Look at at how Flex looks onstage with Dorian, Flex looks almost as good yeah? I know the perspective is different in the 2000 shot but aas we know from all the 2000 shots Ronnie clearly dominates the whole stage from the front, including a bigger Flex, who doesn't even come close. From the back we know how close the Yates/Coleman comparison would be, but one thing is for sure that regardless of the probable dryness disadvantage, Ronnie's glutes are still more ripped than Dorian's at about 7 pounds heavier. But, as Hulkster says, the sheer taper and muscular shape are what's absolutely insane. Next generation quads prevent those wide delts, lats and massive arms from creating a top-heavy look on what was once a naturally narrow structure. Chest is no comparison. That's bodybuilding, personified and exemplified by Ronnie for 8 consecutive titles.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=215123;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181591.0;attach=215124;image)
Agreed.
Look at at how Flex looks onstage with Dorian, Flex looks almost as good yeah? I know the perspective is different in the 2000 shot but aas we know from all the 2000 shots Ronnie clearly dominates the whole stage from the front, including a bigger Flex, who doesn't even come close. From the back we know how close the Yates/Coleman comparison would be, but one thing is for sure that regardless of the probable dryness disadvantage, Ronnie's glutes are still more ripped than Dorian's at about 7 pounds heavier. But, as Hulkster says, the sheer taper and muscular shape are what's absolutely insane. Next generation quads prevent those wide delts, lats and massive arms from creating a top-heavy look on what was once a naturally narrow structure. Chest is no comparison. That's bodybuilding, personified and exemplified by Ronnie for 8 consecutive titles.
Excellant post. You've pretty much nailed it there.
Bottom line is:
Dorian was good (for a while)
But ronnies better.
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The Nasser of 96-2001 shits on both Coleman and Yates. For me it was the best combination of mass and flow ever seen. Greatest ever physique I seen.
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he's absolutely flawless with the exception of a slight gut
Just in time for Valentine's, the kid's in love. :-* :-* :-*
That video reminds me how much of a blocky fire-hydrant the construction worker was. Thick with minimal tapers by classic BB standards. Nasser was better.
Tapers & size ND can only salivate over but never admit.
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no doubt yates was a great BB but he had many flaws
weak biceps
flat chest
lack of outer quad sweep
blocky waist and large obliques
Ronnie kills him without a doubt
the best yates 1993 vs the best ronnie 1998 or 2003
COLEMAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Nasser of 96-2001 shits on both Coleman and Yates. For me it was the best combination of mass and flow ever seen. Greatest ever physique I seen.
This account may have actually been Nasser himself
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Dorian Yates was a beast. When Haney beat him he came back the next year light years ahead of that package he bought against Haney. He paid a big price like Coleman for all that heavy lifting. Sometimes I think Vince Taylor has it right. Lift for endurance instead of strength. Still can't believe that Vince tore a bicep with a 15lbs dumbbell. Which method will take you into your advanced years in better health? Lifting heavy or training for muscular endurance like Vince Taylor?
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You're damn right ! untanned , no oil no contest lights and he crushes anything Ronnie ever shown even 2003
Thats right. Where are the untanned offseason Ronnie pics... 😒😉
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This account may have actually been Nasser himself
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