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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: coltrane on December 09, 2007, 02:22:20 PM
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i'm starting my cardio tomorrow in the am on an empty stomach...
will glutamine or any other aminos hamper fat loss?
any suggestions on what to take?
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I take 10grams glutamine, some bcaa's (starting tomorrow) 2 grams sesamin and some thermo pills, right now taking hot roxx extreme.
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yeah, i was thnking of just the glutamine with some xtend (bcaa). I don't want to hamper the fat burning process.
now that i have a little time in the morning, I can get the cardio in then....then after work in the pm do weight training...
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dont take glutamine.it is converted to glucose in the liver, and will only hamper fat loss. you should take some bcaa's, or some pure protein..such as isopure, or just eat soem eggw hites. what you want is to have some free floating amino acids in your blood stream, and nothing else(besides stimulants if you care to add them in).
heres the reason why
when doign any type of physical activity, our body uses a combination of fats and glucose for energy. the lower intensity the exercise, the greater the percentage of fats being burned, the higher the intensity of the exercise, the greater the percentage of glucose being burned. if you have any glucose or fats floating in your blood stream, you will use these for eneergy before you use any stored glucose(muscleglycogen), or stored fat(bodyfat). so you dont want any free floating "energy nutrients"(carbs or fat) in your blood stream when you trying t burn directly into bodyweight. and ideally, you want to burn mostly body fat, and as little glucose as possible. so lower intensity works best for burnign the most body fat, and the least amount of glucose. but you can only burn a MAJORITY fats..you will still be using some glucose for energy during your cardio NO MATTER WHAT. you cant stop your body from using glucose..it always will be burning at least some. and in the morning, you glycogen stores are pretty low, so once you have burned all the way through your glycogen stores, you will be left withonly one option for glucose demands= converting amino acids into glucose to be used as energy. now, just like always, you body is going to use any available nutrients in the blood stream before it uses any bodyweight(muscle tissue), so having some free floating amino acids in your blood stream while doing morning cardio will prevent your body from diving into muscle for glucose demands, but will not prevent or slow down your fat burning in the slightest, as long as you only consume a small amount of amino's, and you dont have ANY carbs or fats with them. this is why you want a pure protein source, and nothing else(besides some stimulants).. and like i said, glutamine is always converted into glucose in the liver..so consuming some glutamin will spike insulin levels, decrease free floating glucagon, decrease cyycular amp, completely halt lipogensis, and put a huge dampering on the effectiveness of your morning cardio.
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interesting candizzle....
i was thnking about just going with the aminos....
thanks
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ideally you should take amino acids that are solely ketogenic, certain amino acids are glucogenic and convert much more readily to glucose, and are more likely to hamper your fat loss goals.. leucine is the perfect amino acid; and if you can gte it pure, i would recommend taking 5 -10 grams leucine and an eca stack with some acetyl l carnitine.
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dont take glutamine.it is converted to glucose in the liver, and will only hamper fat loss. you should take some bcaa's, or some pure protein..such as isopure, or just eat soem eggw hites. what you want is to have some free floating amino acids in your blood stream, and nothing else(besides stimulants if you care to add them in).
heres the reason why
when doign any type of physical activity, our body uses a combination of fats and glucose for energy. the lower intensity the exercise, the greater the percentage of fats being burned, the higher the intensity of the exercise, the greater the percentage of glucose being burned. if you have any glucose or fats floating in your blood stream, you will use these for eneergy before you use any stored glucose(muscleglycogen), or stored fat(bodyfat). so you dont want any free floating "energy nutrients"(carbs or fat) in your blood stream when you trying t burn directly into bodyweight. and ideally, you want to burn mostly body fat, and as little glucose as possible. so lower intensity works best for burnign the most body fat, and the least amount of glucose. but you can only burn a MAJORITY fats..you will still be using some glucose for energy during your cardio NO MATTER WHAT. you cant stop your body from using glucose..it always will be burning at least some. and in the morning, you glycogen stores are pretty low, so once you have burned all the way through your glycogen stores, you will be left withonly one option for glucose demands= converting amino acids into glucose to be used as energy. now, just like always, you body is going to use any available nutrients in the blood stream before it uses any bodyweight(muscle tissue), so having some free floating amino acids in your blood stream while doing morning cardio will prevent your body from diving into muscle for glucose demands, but will not prevent or slow down your fat burning in the slightest, as long as you only consume a small amount of amino's, and you dont have ANY carbs or fats with them. this is why you want a pure protein source, and nothing else(besides some stimulants).. and like i said, glutamine is always converted into glucose in the liver..so consuming some glutamin will spike insulin levels, decrease free floating glucagon, decrease cyycular amp, completely halt lipogensis, and put a huge dampering on the effectiveness of your morning cardio.
You are still operating under the false idea that it is the fat burned during exercise that is the determining factor in total fat loss from exercise.
Which could explain why you are still far away from being 10% bodyfat after 1 year of dieting ;D
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You are still operating under the false idea that it is the fat burned during exercise that is the determining factor in total fat loss from exercise.
Which could explain why you are still far away from being 10% bodyfat after 1 year of dieting ;D
your assumption is incorrect. im am well aware of what role cardiovascular activity plays in fat loss.
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Take BCAA's, you'll be fine.
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Take BCAA's, you'll be fine.
tru dat.
i just gave you the unnecessarily detailed explanation.
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your assumption is incorrect. im am well aware of what role cardiovascular activity plays in fat loss.
Please write a decent answer.
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Please write a decent answer.
you were referring to h.i.t. cardio...and you were asserting that the raised metabolism from h.i.t. which lasts for much longer than the duration of the cardio is why its better for fat loss than low intensity cardio.
im a mind reader.
and your leafy bug..
hahaha.
but what you dont know...is how cardio affects the body, the muscles, and al of the hormones and bodily process' that control the oxidation of body fat. once you learn about how long duration cardiovascular activity affects those things, then you will realize that, while cardio is not even necessary in the short term, its vital for long term fat loss and for keeping up a body that is an efficient fat burner.
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you were referring to h.i.t. cardio...and you were asserting that the raised metabolism from h.i.t. which lasts for much longer than the duration of the cardio is why its better for fat loss than low intensity cardio.
im a mind reader.
and your leafy bug..
hahaha.
but what you dont know...is how cardio affects the body, the muscles, and al of the hormones and bodily process' that control the oxidation of body fat. once you learn about how long duration cardiovascular activity affects those things, then you will realize that, while cardio is not even necessary in the short term, its vital for long term fat loss and for keeping up a body that is an efficient fat burner.
1: you are one dumb fuck.
2: I was not refering to HIT cardio in particular.
3: I am not leafy. I am DF and my alter ego Debussey.
4: You have no real applicable knowledge in this area that can create improved results. You claim that the fat burned during cardio (as opposed to the total calories burned) can accumulate into a huge difference on total fat loss over a long time period. (implied by your earlier posts). This = simply not correct.
5: I have read your posts. Frankly, you are an idiot.
Hope this helps :)
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4: You have no real applicable knowledge in this area that can create improved results. You claim that the fat burned during cardio (as opposed to the total calories burned) can accumulate into a huge difference on total fat loss over a long time period. (implied by your earlier posts). This = simply not correct.
hahaha.
plase shoot yourself.
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hahaha.
plase shoot yourself.
Give a rational explanation and link to the relevant studies.
Let us say that you burn 250 calories each cardio session and do 3 each week as part of your dieting program.
30% of these calories comes from fat. That is 225 calories each week which equals 25 grams of fat.
Let us say that morning cardio burns 50% from fat instead of 30% (a fair estimate). This means a difference each week of 16,6667 grams of fat. And this does not factor in the negative effects of the catabolic state the body is in before breakfast.
Do you still claim that fat burned during cardio is very significant, and that the "fat stortage benefits" from morning cardio = significant? ::)
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Do you still claim that fat burned during cardio is very significant, and that the "fat stortage benefits" from morning cardio = significant? ::)
your pathetic. i have never once claimed that. in fact, i just said in my previous post that in the short term cardio wasnt even necessary for fat loss.
i provided a way to optimize the portion of energy burned as fat, and minimize any burning of muscle. that is soemthing that is very much necessary. at least for someone wanting to lose bodyfat, while keeping muscle.
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your pathetic. i have never once claimed that. in fact, i just said in my previous post that in the short term cardio wasnt even necessary for fat loss.
i provided a way to optimize the portion of energy burned as fat, and minimize any burning of muscle. that is soemthing that is very much necessary. at least for someone wanting to lose bodyfat, while keeping muscle.
Yes you did.
Please stop using insults and remain rational. We are here to help other people, not to feed your drug induced ego.
Debusseys/DFussys point is simple: The "optimization" of the "portion of energy burned as fat" is simply insignificant if you look at the numbers. At the same time, morning cardio is a good way to BURN MORE muscle, not less. All in all, it is not a very good choice for most people.
You should take a math course and listen to Layne Norton. Numbers does not lie, and neither does Layne Norton. Only you lie, when you streal money from your mom to buy drugs.
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I honestly have no interest in getting in the middle of this argument, but I have to disagree with the point that taking Glutamine on an empty stomach, first thing in the morning is going to be converted to glucose and interfere with fat burning...
I've tried just about every supplement, every work out program and every diet... And the one thing that I've done consistently since the very beginning, is TAKE GLUTAMINE FIRST THING IN THE MORNING!
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I honestly have no interest in getting in the middle of this argument, but I have to disagree with the point that taking Glutamine on an empty stomach, first thing in the morning is going to be converted to glucose and interfere with fat burning...
I've tried just about every supplement, every work out program and every diet... And the one thing that I've done consistently since the very beginning, is TAKE GLUTAMINE FIRST THING IN THE MORNING!
Candizzles problem is that he uses qualitative ways of analyzing a phenomena (dieting) that is primarely quantitative in nature. Thus, he makes a big splash out of things that does not contribute to the actual results in any noticeable degree.
Do not listen to him. Practice the fundamentals.
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glutamine first thing in the morning is awesome, whiteulk. just not for before cardio. the reason it is good to take first thing in the morning normally is because of how fast it is digested and converted into glucose. it immidietly, and im talking about withing a minute or two, halts any catabolism of muscle tissue for glucose energy demands by providing quick sources of amino acids in the liver that are converted to glucose...taking the place of any amino acids it would have used at that time for conversion to glucose....and since youve been sleeping all night; the only amino's it could possibly be conerting to glucose to meet its energy demands are aminos it derives from your own muscle tissue. however, in the case of early morning cardio...you dont want to have the glutamine, because it automatically converts to glucose... you want amino cids such as the bcaa's which will only be converted to glucose in the situation where your body has no glucose left, and no glycogen left; thus requiring amino acids for the conversion into glucose... at which point it normally would catabolise muscle tissue. thats where the bcaa's step in. they get converted instead of the muscle tissue. but only when the body calls upon them to be converted.. aND THAT IS KEY.
i do know what im talking about.. maybe not in the past. but i have ductaed myself quite extensively. youd do well to forget about what df is telling you; i mean, he did just referance layne norton. hahah
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Candizzles problem is that he uses qualitative ways of analyzing a phenomena (dieting) that is primarely quantitative in nature. Thus, he makes a big splash out of things that does not contribute to the actual results in any noticeable degree.
Do not listen to him. Practice the fundamentals.
His google-foo rivals Adonis's.
Like you said start with the fundamentals & then tweak them to whatever works best for you.
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His google-foo rivals Adonis's.
adonis is df is debussey is leafy bug is pandaemonium is jezebell is one half of gh15...
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adonis is df is debussey is leafy bug is pandaemonium is jezebell is one half of gh15...
I don't care who's gimmick account is who's or who's using what account. All I've noticed is that you post on everything & act like you know everything. A lot of your posts seem to be a cut & paste. Not a slam just an observation.
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no dude i never have "cut and paste"ed and i never will.
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i do know what im talking about.. maybe not in the past. but i have ductaed myself quite extensively. youd do well to forget about what df is telling you; i mean, he did just referance layne norton. hahah
So, you are saying that Layne Norton, who is working on his Ph.D. in protein metabolism is an inferior source about nutrition compared to you (a quackjob that stole money from his mother to pay for drugs)?
Are you also saying that your qualitative take on nutrition (which focuses on small irrelevant things and is full of errors) is superior to having long term quantitative control over the fundamental variables that really dictate body composition? (implied several times by your posts, especially by your last statement)
;D ;D ;D ;D
Let me help you: You have answered yes to both questions.
;D
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just shut up. you keep assuming you know what i think about cardio. this thread is about morning cardio on an emtpy stomach. if your going to do morning cardio on an empty stomach, you want to do it in a way that doesnt catabolise muscle tissue. i provided information on how to do this, but not inhibit the fat loss associated with morning cardio. if you hav nothing to add of relevant nature...please leave the thread. if you want to have this off topic discussion, start another thread and ask me specific questions and ill give you my specific opinion.
...and layne norton is a douchebag.
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just shut up. you keep assuming you know what i think about cardio. this thread is about morning cardio on an emtpy stomach. if your going to do morning cardio on an empty stomach, you want to do it in a way that doesnt catabolise muscle tissue. i provided information on how to do this, but not inhibit the fat loss associated with morning cardio. if you hav nothing to add of relevant nature...please leave the thread. if you want to have this off topic discussion, start another thread and ask me specific questions and ill give you my specific opinion.
...and layne norton is a douchebag.
Answer the questions.
1: Do you know more about nutrition than Layne Norton?
2: Is your qualitative take on nutrition (which focuses on small irrelevant things and is full of errors) is superior to having long term quantitative control over the fundamental variables that really dictate body composition? (implied several times by your posts, especially by your last statement)
Your personal opinion of Layne Norton = irrelevant, you claimed that reffering to Layne destroys ones credability because you, a known retard, is a more credible source.
Answer the questions.
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Answer the questions.
1: Do you know more about nutrition than Layne Norton?
2: Is your qualitative take on nutrition (which focuses on small irrelevant things and is full of errors) is superior to having long term quantitative control over the fundamental variables that really dictate body composition? (implied several times by your posts, especially by your last statement)
Your personal opinion of Layne Norton = irrelevant, you claimed that reffering to Layne destroys ones credability because you, a known retard, is a more credible source.
Answer the questions.
start another thread..
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start another thread..
Answer the questions. You made the stupid statements, you are accountable.
If you can not stand by your words, then there is no reason for anybody to trust anything you say because when you are to be held accountable for what you say, you just run away.
Answer the questions.
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Answer the questions. You made the stupid statements, you are accountable.
If you can not stand by your words, then there is no reason for anybody to trust anything you say because when you are to be held accountable for what you say, you just run away.
Answer the questions.
I knew it. The only thing we can trust about you, Cadidizzle, is that you will go down the path of self destruction and date many ugly girls in the process.
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I knew it. The only thing we can trust about you, Cadidizzle, is that you will go down the path of self destruction and date many ugly girls in the process.
Attacking his opinions is one thing but directly insulting each other on this board is uncalled for. If you want to pull that shit take it somewhere else. This board is about helping people, not insulting them.
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Attacking his opinions is one thing but directly insulting each other on this board is uncalled for. If you want to pull that shit take it somewhere else. This board is about helping people, not insulting them.
You're both walking a thin line >:( I'm not going to waste my time editing or modifying posts. It's easier to hit the delete key ;)
Refer to rule #1 Show common courtesy at all times. Know the difference between a difference of opinion and a personal attack. Don't engage in insults.
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You're both walking a thin line >:( I'm not going to waste my time editing or modifying posts. It's easier to hit the delete key ;)
Refer to rule #1 Show common courtesy at all times. Know the difference between a difference of opinion and a personal attack. Don't engage in insults.
Im hot, and I know Gary Busey, so the rules does not apply to me.
Thank you Princess Labia.
:)
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Attacking his opinions is one thing but directly insulting each other on this board is uncalled for. If you want to pull that shit take it somewhere else. This board is about helping people, not insulting them.
seconded.
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My thoughts on morning cardio- and I've done cardio at any time of day (even @ 2am a la Jay Cutler) with food, without, supps and no supps, etc...
My take: Don't do it.
After workout cardio is best, certainly for me. But if you give it a try I'm betting that you would like it much better than getting up early and doing it with no food. Tip; after a leg day, just walk on the treadmill for the required time, it's easy to do and you won't have to worry about falling off! :P
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post weight training cardio and early morning cardio are both effective for the same reason....depleted glycogen stores, zero free floating insulin, increased glucogan and growth hormone levels...increase cicular amp, and increases levels of lipogensis already occuring in the body.
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post weight training cardio and early morning cardio are both effective for the same reason....depleted glycogen stores, zero free floating insulin, increased glucogan and growth hormone levels...increase cicular amp, and increases levels of lipogensis already occuring in the body.
Nobody should trust you. When the shit hits the fan, you run away.
Answer the questions, stand accountable for your claims.
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Okay lets try and get this thread back on track...lets say guys that I did morning cardio on an empty stomach...I understand that I would be burning primarily glucose right?...okay...wouldn't that still be a good thing because it would prevent any excess sugar in your body from being converted to fat and stored?...am I wrong?..please comment
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You don't have to like layne as a person, but you can't discount his knowledge. He's big into research and cites/back ups his claims with science.
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My thoughts on morning cardio- and I've done cardio at any time of day (even @ 2am a la Jay Cutler) with food, without, supps and no supps, etc...
My take: Don't do it.
After workout cardio is best, certainly for me. But if you give it a try I'm betting that you would like it much better than getting up early and doing it with no food. Tip; after a leg day, just walk on the treadmill for the required time, it's easy to do and you won't have to worry about falling off! :P
Youngblood...why? Do you think it's better for losing weight?
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Okay lets try and get this thread back on track...lets say guys that I did morning cardio on an empty stomach...I understand that I would be burning primarily glucose right?...okay...wouldn't that still be a good thing because it would prevent any excess sugar in your body from being converted to fat and stored?...am I wrong?..please comment
no..during low intensity exercise, and especially during the hormonal state your body will be in first thing in the morning, your body will burn primarily fats for energy. BUT, ...you will still be burning SOME glucose..because unless you have been doing a zero carb diet for like a year, the human body always has a glucose demand whethr your sleeping, sitting, walking, running, or sprinting..youll always have tissues using glucose for energy in some amount. first thing in the mornin you wont have any excess sugar in your body...the only available glucose you will have will be what ever is left over in your muscular glycogen stores...and in order to utilize that glucose your body will send out the hormone glucagon, which cues the breakdown and release of glucose from the muscle. but it also signals for the body to increase the break down and oxidation of fatty acids; and it loosens up the enzymes that burn up your bodies fat as well. along with that occuring, your body also starts releasing growth hormone, increases cyclical amp, and a host of other great things for fat loss. but if you dont have any muscular glycogen stores...then your body has to get glucose from somewhere, and the only way your body can synthesize glucose is by glucogeonensis by way of amino acids.. now, if you truly have an "empty stomach", and you dont have any free floating aminos in your blood stream, that glucagon hormone that signals the breakdown of glycogen and fatty acids, will now be signaling for the breakdown of muscle tissue to extract amino acids for the synthesis of glucose. that is why you want to take bcaa's pre cardio....so in any case where glucagon runs through your bodys glycogen stores and signals for amino acids to be converted to glucose..it will use those bcaa's, NOT muscle tissue.,
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no..during low intensity exercise, and especially during the hormonal state your body will be in first thing in the morning, your body will burn primarily fats for energy. BUT, ...you will still be burning SOME glucose..because unless you have been doing a zero carb diet for like a year, the human body always has a glucose demand whethr your sleeping, sitting, walking, running, or sprinting..youll always have tissues using glucose for energy in some amount. first thing in the mornin you wont have any excess sugar in your body...the only available glucose you will have will be what ever is left over in your muscular glycogen stores...and in order to utilize that glucose your body will send out the hormone glucagon, which cues the breakdown and release of glucose from the muscle. but it also signals for the body to increase the break down and oxidation of fatty acids; and it loosens up the enzymes that burn up your bodies fat as well. along with that occuring, your body also starts releasing growth hormone, increases cyclical amp, and a host of other great things for fat loss. but if you dont have any muscular glycogen stores...then your body has to get glucose from somewhere, and the only way your body can synthesize glucose is by glucogeonensis by way of amino acids.. now, if you truly have an "empty stomach", and you dont have any free floating aminos in your blood stream, that glucagon hormone that signals the breakdown of glycogen and fatty acids, will now be signaling for the breakdown of muscle tissue to extract amino acids for the synthesis of glucose. that is why you want to take bcaa's pre cardio....so in any case where glucagon runs through your bodys glycogen stores and signals for amino acids to be converted to glucose..it will use those bcaa's, NOT muscle tissue.,
Again, I'm not trying to argue with anybody, but you've said something that contradicts your previous statements.
Originally you said not to take Glutamine before cardio because it will convert to glucose....
But in your last post, you basically said to take BCAA's before cardio so that they can be converted to glucose...???
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One more thing about the Glutamine 1st thing in the morning...
I don't care WHAT IT IS, if you take in 5 grams of ANYTHING! I don't care if it's pure sugar, it's not going to have much of an effect on the fat burning process from your morning cardio. It's just not enough to make much of a difference.
And another thing, that's probably already been touched on, however, in a more complicated manner than necessary.
There's two schools of thought for doing cardio 1st thing in the morning:
1. On an empty stomach, your body will be forced to pull energy from your fat stores, because you haven't supplied it with any energy (food) for the day.
2. To start your day in a caloric deficit!
It's the #2 that matters the most. And 5 grams of an amino acid ain't gonna make a difference...
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personally i would never do cardio in the morning on a empty stomach. when you wake up in the morining you are already in a catabolic state so why add to that with a catabolic activity like cardio on a empty stomach? you are trying to burn fat but why do it at the expense of muscle tissue.
i would take 20-30g of fast acting hydrolyzed whey protein along with 5-10g or glutamine, bcaa's and a thermo.
if your only concern is losing fat then on a empty stomach would probably be slightly more effective but the increased muscle catabolism that goes along with that outweighs the benefits.
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Missing the point with Glutamine. First thing in the morning, your body is depleted, or should be, of muscle glycogen. When you eat carbs, glycogen levels start to replenish in liver and/or muscle. So, unless you take a high carb meal before bed, your glycogen levels should be low first thing in the am.
5 g. of Glutamine will not burn fat, Hulk. Will bump GH levels and spare your body from using muscle as energy, especially in a caloric deficit, like first thing in the morning. ECA's also had a muscle sparing effect, kinda like Clen, so use a thermo and glutamine first thing in the morning while glycogen levels are low, will let your body use bodyfat as fuel. Also a product like Xtend (BCAA blend) will be ok to drink on an empty stomach while doing morning cardio as well.
Doing cardio POST weights is also a good time, because of lowered glycogen levels. Those that do cardio before weights spend that time burning up glycogen instead of bodyfat. So, the aminos, glutamine, are not taken for fat loss but to prevent muscle loss. At least that is what I have had success with in past competition mode....
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...oh,and make sure to eat RIGHT AWAY AFTER AM CARDIO!! Like,within minutes if possible or at least drink a shake!!
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Missing the point with Glutamine. First thing in the morning, your body is depleted, or should be, of muscle glycogen. When you eat carbs, glycogen levels start to replenish in liver and/or muscle. So, unless you take a high carb meal before bed, your glycogen levels should be low first thing in the am.
5 g. of Glutamine will not burn fat, Hulk. Will bump GH levels and spare your body from using muscle as energy, especially in a caloric deficit, like first thing in the morning. ECA's also had a muscle sparing effect, kinda like Clen, so use a thermo and glutamine first thing in the morning while glycogen levels are low, will let your body use bodyfat as fuel. Also a product like Xtend (BCAA blend) will be ok to drink on an empty stomach while doing morning cardio as well.
Doing cardio POST weights is also a good time, because of lowered glycogen levels. Those that do cardio before weights spend that time burning up glycogen instead of bodyfat. So, the aminos, glutamine, are not taken for fat loss but to prevent muscle loss. At least that is what I have had success with in past competition mode....
great post. I wondered about the xtend bc it has sucralose and citrillene in it.....(which i thought may slow the fat burning)
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great post. I wondered about the xtend bc it has sucralose and citrillene in it.....(which i thought may slow the fat burning)
Not for me, but I stop all artificial sweetners about three weeks out and never go heavy on them while dieting anyway.
Citruliene (sp?) is a precursor to Nitrix Oxide production so never interfered with my fat loss. I drink that during weight training too!
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Again, I'm not trying to argue with anybody, but you've said something that contradicts your previous statements.
Originally you said not to take Glutamine before cardio because it will convert to glucose....
But in your last post, you basically said to take BCAA's before cardio so that they can be converted to glucose...???
yes, exactly.
you dont take glutamine because it WILL BE converted to glucose. you take bcaa's because they CAN BE converted to glucose.
you only want glucose in your blood stream when your body has resorted to amino acids for glucose... the difference between glutamine and bcaa's is that glutamine does wait around to be called on for gluconeogensis to occur; it automatically occurs upon digestion in the liver... so in actuality, what your doing by taking glutamine is really just taking glucose. where as bcaa's will be digested and sent into the amino acid poll in your blood stream to wait to be called upon for glucogeonensis before they will be convcerted to glucose. and amino acids in the blood stream do not interrupt the process of burning fat, or the process of burning glucose; because amino acids annot be used for energy. they must first be converted into glucose.
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5 g. of Glutamine will not burn fat, Hulk.
I never said it would, I said that it would not hinder fat loss, as Candidizzle said it would.
Good post though, I agree with everything you stated.
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One more thing about the Glutamine 1st thing in the morning...
I don't care WHAT IT IS, if you take in 5 grams of ANYTHING! I don't care if it's pure sugar, it's not going to have much of an effect on the fat burning process from your morning cardio. It's just not enough to make much of a difference.
And another thing, that's probably already been touched on, however, in a more complicated manner than necessary.
There's two schools of thought for doing cardio 1st thing in the morning:
1. On an empty stomach, your body will be forced to pull energy from your fat stores, because you haven't supplied it with any energy (food) for the day.
2. To start your day in a caloric deficit!
It's the #2 that matters the most. And 5 grams of an amino acid ain't gonna make a difference...
you are correct in everything you have said here. but if you want to create the biggest fat loss from your efforts in the morning, you would abstain from taking anything except bcaa's, and some non nutritive stimulants.
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personally i would never do cardio in the morning on a empty stomach. when you wake up in the morining you are already in a catabolic state so why add to that with a catabolic activity like cardio on a empty stomach? you are trying to burn fat but why do it at the expense of muscle tissue.
i would take 20-30g of fast acting hydrolyzed whey protein along with 5-10g or glutamine, bcaa's and a thermo.
if your only concern is losing fat then on a empty stomach would probably be slightly more effective but the increased muscle catabolism that goes along with that outweighs the benefits.
anytime you are on a diet you are in a catabolic state. you have to be catabolic in order to burn body fat... being "catabolic" doesnt mean that you are eating muscle tissue, it just means that your breaking down SOMETHING in your own body for energy, whether that be stored adipose tissue(faT), glycogen stores, or muscle..it does not matter, it all "catabolism". the key is to be in a catabolic state where your body is breaking down ONLY glycogen and body fat...primarily body fat though. and the way you do that is by doing LOW INTENSITY exercise(which is the type of exercise that your body uses body fat to fuel) with back up amino acids in your blood stream just in case your glycogen stores run out and your body signals that cataolic state to convert some aminos for glucose needs... thus, your muscle tissue is spared.
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so in actuality, what your doing by taking glutamine is really just taking glucose.
Dude, seriously, this statement is ridiculous. You're saying that Glutamine is the same as taking glucose? Glutamine has a long list of benefits, while glucose, well, doesn't. Where, how, and why you're trying to make this case, I have no idea! It makes no sense.
Glutamine, a non-essential amino acid, the most abundant amino acid in skeletal muscle, is the same thing as glucose???
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Dude, seriously, this statement is ridiculous. You're saying that Glutamine is the same as taking glucose? Glutamine has a long list of benefits, while glucose, well, doesn't. Where, how, and why you're trying to make this case, I have no idea! It makes no sense.
Glutamine, a non-essential amino acid, the most abundant amino acid in skeletal muscle, is the same thing as glucose???
glutamine is sort of like creatine though. once your body has it, it recycles and re-synthesizes it from other sources. dietary supplementation of glutamine does not effect free floating circulation levels of glutamine unless there is a deficiency present..in which case the liver will be signaled to digest and release soem glutaminee into the blood stream. other wise, there is an abundance of glutamine in your body already(like you said..its the MOST abundant amino acid in your body), and thus your liver doesnt digets it as an aminno acid, it just converts it to glucose and send it into the blood sstream. given, its a very small amount of glucose...because when amino acids go through the process of gluconeogensis they only yield half as many grams of glucose as what they were in amino acid form. so taking 10 grams of glutamine would yield an increase in blood glucose levels by 5 grams.. which is only 20 calories. but that is 20 calories that were NOT burned of fat, and 20 calories worth of insulin release, and 20 calories worth of hormonal suppression of growth hormone and glucagon.
trust in me..i know of what i speak.
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glutamine is sort of like creatine though. once your body has it, it recycles and re-synthesizes it from other sources. dietary supplementation of glutamine does not effect free floating circulation levels of glutamine unless there is a deficiency present..in which case the liver will be signaled to digest and release soem glutaminee into the blood stream. other wise, there is an abundance of glutamine in your body already(like you said..its the MOST abundant amino acid in your body), and thus your liver doesnt digets it as an aminno acid, it just converts it to glucose and send it into the blood sstream. given, its a very small amount of glucose...because when amino acids go through the process of gluconeogensis they only yield half as many grams of glucose as what they were in amino acid form. so taking 10 grams of glutamine would yield an increase in blood glucose levels by 5 grams.. which is only 20 calories. but that is 20 calories that were NOT burned of fat, and 20 calories worth of insulin release, and 20 calories worth of hormonal suppression of growth hormone and glucagon.
trust in me..i know of what i speak.
Glutamine taken on an empty stomach has been shown to INCREASE GROWTH HORMONE RELEASE!!!! NOT SUPPRESS IT!!!
Trust you? You sound more like an idiot with every single post! Know what a capital letter is?
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the release of glucose and insulin into the blood stream almost completely shuts down release of growth hormone.
not the release of glutamine into the blood stream.
if glutamine WAS released into the blood stream, then it WOULD increase gh levels...but that would be because you were in an amino acid-deficient state..and the release of that glutamine into the blood stream would be completing your pool of amino acids, meaning that you would then be capable of synthesizing protein... something you are not capable of doing without glutamine... and gh will be released in order to signal for the ribosomes to go to work and start repairing muscle tissue..
but a bodybuilder will hardly ever be in a state of glutamine deficiency.
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Candidizzle, really, I know that you've read quite a few books recently, and your head is spinning with all of the information you took in. But please consider this post that you started only 2 months ago:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=175480.0
You were begging me for advice... Now you've read a few books and 2 months later, you're claiming to be some expert on all this?
The problem with reading so many books, all with drastically different points of view, in a short amount of time is: It clouds your brain with overlapping, conflicting information. Because of that, nothing you say, can or should be trusted.
Sorry.
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Candidizzle, really, I know that you've read quite a few books recently, and your head is spinning with all of the information you took in. But please consider this post that you started only 2 months ago:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=175480.0
You were begging me for advice... Now you've read a few books and 2 months later, you're claiming to be some expert on all this?
The problem with reading so many books, all with drastically different points of view, in a short amount of time is: It clouds your brain with overlapping, conflicting information. Because of that, nothing you say, can or should be trusted.
Sorry.
Do not forget Candidizzles poor cognitive skills. The books can be great, but he is not.
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hmmmm
okay. im really not trying to win a debate with you or anything. but i guess you have taken offense to be on the losing side of this argument..and now you cant just say "okay, your right..thanks for the info"..
whatever dude. you were helpful to me when i needed it, and for that i am grateful..but your acting like a douchebag now.
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hmmmm
okay. im really not trying to win a debate with you or anything. but i guess you have taken offense to be on the losing side of this argument..and now you cant just say "okay, your right..thanks for the info"..
whatever dude. you were helpful to me when i needed it, and for that i am grateful..but your acting like a douchebag now.
I am just pointing out the facts. You screwed up and lost the debate big time in several ways. Then you ran away when you were held accountable for your writings.
And for gods sake my little friend, Im just bustin' yer balls. Im Debussey for christ sakes. You fucked up, relax about it and have a beer. this is the internet 8)
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I am just pointing out the facts. You screwed up and lost the debate big time in several ways. Then you ran away when you were held accountable for your writings.
And for gods sake my little friend, Im just bustin' yer balls. Im Debussey for christ sakes. You fucked up, relax about it and have a beer. this is the internet 8)
i wasnt referring to you, i was talking to white hulk. when did you ever help me?
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i wasnt referring to you, i was talking to white hulk. when did you ever help me?
When Debussey/DF made fun of you for being fat and ugly.
And when we had that stupid PM discussions about politics, where you wrote about your political concept "freedom".
I helped you find Gary Busey as well.
You owe me. 8)
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i do remember that. it was quite some time ago..and my political ideas have changed a bit since then...
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i do remember that. it was quite some time ago..and my political ideas have changed a bit since then...
What do you believe now?
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I never said it would, I said that it would not hinder fat loss, as Candidizzle said it would.
Good post though, I agree with everything you stated.
Sorry man, my head hurts when I read his posts...might have been in a confused tail spin when I read yours??
This thread actually is starting to hurt my head...
DF, Candi -- we need a getbig boxing match to settle this. Go ahead and set that up and record for you-tube, ok!? You can also go ahead and take your polital views to another board please, my head already hurts from you two! Thanks.
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What do you believe now?
the role of government is to provide the things for society which society cannot provide itself on itsown....the job of the government is to help people do the things that they cannot do on their own.. the purpouse of the government is to organize the things that HAVE to be organized, and to provide the thing which MUST be provided. nothing more, nothing less.
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Sorry man, my head hurts when I read his posts...might have been in a confused tail spin when I read yours??
This thread actually is starting to hurt my head...
DF, Candi -- we need a getbig boxing match to settle this. Go ahead and set that up and record for you-tube, ok!? You can also go ahead and take your polital views to another board please, my head already hurts from you two! Thanks.
I am 40 pounds heavy. Candidizzle would kill me. But I know Gary Busey. So he's got no chance.
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anytime you are on a diet you are in a catabolic state. you have to be catabolic in order to burn body fat... being "catabolic" doesnt mean that you are eating muscle tissue, it just means that your breaking down SOMETHING in your own body for energy, whether that be stored adipose tissue(faT), glycogen stores, or muscle..it does not matter, it all "catabolism". the key is to be in a catabolic state where your body is breaking down ONLY glycogen and body fat...primarily body fat though. and the way you do that is by doing LOW INTENSITY exercise(which is the type of exercise that your body uses body fat to fuel) with back up amino acids in your blood stream just in case your glycogen stores run out and your body signals that cataolic state to convert some aminos for glucose needs... thus, your muscle tissue is spared.
i am talking about muscle catabolism. you do not have to be in a catabolic state in order to burn bodyfat. saying that would mean that you can't build muscle while losing fat which is not true.
cardio in the morning on a empty stomach is simply not a good idea because of muscle catabolism as well as increased cortisol production. now if your interested in fat loss at all costs then that might be the best way to go. most people do not want that and the best way to offset this while having a minimal effect on lyposis would be to take in a small amount of fast acting hydrolyzed whey along with bcaa"s, some glutamine and a thermo.
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i am talking about muscle catabolism. you do not have to be in a catabolic state in order to burn bodyfat. saying that would mean that you can't build muscle while losing fat which is not true.
cardio in the morning on a empty stomach is simply not a good idea because of muscle catabolism as well as increased cortisol production. now if your interested in fat loss at all costs then that might be the best way to go. most people do not want that and the best way to offset this while having a minimal effect on lyposis would be to take in a small amount of fast acting hydrolyzed whey along with bcaa"s, some glutamine and a thermo.
while it does go against what everyone will tell you..including almost every professional bodybuilding trainer and bodybuilder...
i WOULD agree with you. you CAN build muscle and burn fat over the course of a given period of time. being in a catabolic state doesnt have anything to do with protein synthesis and the repairing of muscle tissues. you can be simultaneously drawing on fat stores and have the same hormone which is signaling for that to happen, growth hormon) be signaling for the ribosomes to repair broken down muscle tissue. in fact...this always happens.
as long as blood glucose levels are low, and there is both quantity and quality of supply in the pool of amino acids, then building muscle+burning fat is a reality.
BUT that state of fat burning+muscle building is referred to as a state of "catabolism", because your body is literally eating itself for energy...and this self destrutive behavior, even though at the same time its self repairing, is categorized as a catabolic state.
arguing that doing cardio in a catabolic state is bad is ignorant. if you want to burn fat you have to be catabolic. the key is to be catabolic, but not be breaking down proteins along with the fat...the key to doing this is to float along on glycogen stores..and to have an an ample supply of amino acids ready to be converted to glucose whenever those glycogen stores are empty.
this seems really repetitive..but the point is that cardio in the morning can be done without sacrificng any muscle tissue, and without inhibiting fat usage to any degree, by taking a small amount of bcaa's.
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Too much microanalyzation leads to missing the forest through the trees, Candidizzle. I don't have a problem with you personally, but seriously.....you need to take a step back and really evaluate what you say.
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Too much microanalyzation leads to missing the forest through the trees, Candidizzle. I don't have a problem with you personally, but seriously.....you need to take a step back and really evaluate what you say.
penny wise, pound foolish; right? no.. i see the big picture as well as the small details.
good lookin' out, though.
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Too much microanalyzation leads to missing the forest through the trees, Candidizzle. I don't have a problem with you personally, but seriously.....you need to take a step back and really evaluate what you say.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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post weight training cardio and early morning cardio are both effective for the same reason....depleted glycogen stores, zero free floating insulin, increased glucogan and growth hormone levels...increase cicular amp, and increases levels of lipogensis already occuring in the body.
Can you tell me the difference between the two? :-\ ;)
Youngblood...why? Do you think it's better for losing weight?
For me, I get up at 2:45am and drink a protein shake. Within 2-3 hours after that I have another meal and repeat again. I'm in the gym at some point after work, and workout. Then I'll jump on my choice of cardio for the day and once done with the required time, I run off and have about 5 chicken breasts. The meal I think it just a means to an end. I DO NOT believe that it has to be a whey/dextrose shake, or anything of the sort. BUT, I do think you should have SOMETHING, and I prefer to have all protein and then add in carbs and/or fat in the meal AFTER my PW-meal.
Why does it work, in my opinion? Because you've had a few meals through the day, and it allows your body to "get started." Protein synthesis and all that stuff. Then, during the workout you deplete yourself, and you've already gone into a state that you're burning fat. So once you jump onto the cardio portion, you're ready to go.
I can't really explain it in detail-especially using scientific jargon, but I think it's due to eating a few times through the day that allows you to hold onto more muscle while doing cardio.
Again, not the best explanation, but I feel there is sort of a time lapse between empty stomach cardio done upon waking up, and doing it post workout later in the day.
Same theory, but how it's carried out is much different. ( :-\ for the brain fart on explaining it better for you).
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while it does go against what everyone will tell you..including almost every professional bodybuilding trainer and bodybuilder...
i WOULD agree with you. you CAN build muscle and burn fat over the course of a given period of time. being in a catabolic state doesnt have anything to do with protein synthesis and the repairing of muscle tissues. you can be simultaneously drawing on fat stores and have the same hormone which is signaling for that to happen, growth hormon) be signaling for the ribosomes to repair broken down muscle tissue. in fact...this always happens.
as long as blood glucose levels are low, and there is both quantity and quality of supply in the pool of amino acids, then building muscle+burning fat is a reality.
BUT that state of fat burning+muscle building is referred to as a state of "catabolism", because your body is literally eating itself for energy...and this self destrutive behavior, even though at the same time its self repairing, is categorized as a catabolic state.
arguing that doing cardio in a catabolic state is bad is ignorant. if you want to burn fat you have to be catabolic. the key is to be catabolic, but not be breaking down proteins along with the fat...the key to doing this is to float along on glycogen stores..and to have an an ample supply of amino acids ready to be converted to glucose whenever those glycogen stores are empty.
this seems really repetitive..but the point is that cardio in the morning can be done without sacrificng any muscle tissue, and without inhibiting fat usage to any degree, by taking a small amount of bcaa's.
lol. noone is arguing anything and i have no interest in playing word games. i simply stated that the catabolic state, referring to muscle catabolism, is a problem when doing a.m cardio on a empty stomach. i stated that the best way to combat that would be to take in a small amount of hydrolyzed whey protein along with the bcaa's.
please fill me in on this point though. you said that almost every pro bodybuilder and top trainer will tell you that you can't build muscle while burning fat. have you actually spoke to some pros or trainers first hand or is this something you heard or read somewhere?
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lol. noone is arguing anything and i have no interest in playing word games. i simply stated that the catabolic state, referring to muscle catabolism, is a problem when doing a.m cardio on a empty stomach. i stated that the best way to combat that would be to take in a small amount of hydrolyzed whey protein along with the bcaa's.
please fill me in on this point though. you said that almost every pro bodybuilder and top trainer will tell you that you can't build muscle while burning fat. have you actually spoke to some pros or trainers first hand or is this something you heard or read somewhere?
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i actually have talked to a pro bodybuilder. i have talked MORE with his trainer and diet coach..who used to be a top level national competitor.. several amatuer bb'ers as well. and while they dont really count, i have talked with most of the personal trainers in my area.
i have also heard and read this all over the place.
but i am smart enough to think on my own...
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Can you tell me the difference between the two? :-\ ;)
For me, I get up at 2:45am and drink a protein shake. Within 2-3 hours after that I have another meal and repeat again. I'm in the gym at some point after work, and workout. Then I'll jump on my choice of cardio for the day and once done with the required time, I run off and have about 5 chicken breasts. The meal I think it just a means to an end. I DO NOT believe that it has to be a whey/dextrose shake, or anything of the sort. BUT, I do think you should have SOMETHING, and I prefer to have all protein and then add in carbs and/or fat in the meal AFTER my PW-meal.
Why does it work, in my opinion? Because you've had a few meals through the day, and it allows your body to "get started." Protein synthesis and all that stuff. Then, during the workout you deplete yourself, and you've already gone into a state that you're burning fat. So once you jump onto the cardio portion, you're ready to go.
I can't really explain it in detail-especially using scientific jargon, but I think it's due to eating a few times through the day that allows you to hold onto more muscle while doing cardio.
Again, not the best explanation, but I feel there is sort of a time lapse between empty stomach cardio done upon waking up, and doing it post workout later in the day.
Same theory, but how it's carried out is much different. ( :-\ for the brain fart on explaining it better for you).
well no i dont really feel that there is too much of a difference except for the amount of nutrients in the blood stream and in storage. and i bet your right..it probably is safer, as far as muscle catabolism goes, to do it post traning.
you eat 5 chicken breasts? holy shit man. i have a huge appetite as well...and i could tear through an endless amount of food.. but i wonder why you would make it a daily habit? i can only assume that your on the sauce is you are actually synthesizing any more than maybe, at a maximum, 65-70 grams of protein.
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1: you are one dumb fuck.
2: I was not refering to HIT cardio in particular.
3: I am not leafy. I am DF and my alter ego Debussey.
4: You have no real applicable knowledge in this area that can create improved results. You claim that the fat burned during cardio (as opposed to the total calories burned) can accumulate into a huge difference on total fat loss over a long time period. (implied by your earlier posts). This = simply not correct.
5: I have read your posts. Frankly, you are an idiot.
Hope this helps :)
I totally agree with this...
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lol. noone is arguing anything and i have no interest in playing word games. i simply stated that the catabolic state, referring to muscle catabolism, is a problem when doing a.m cardio on a empty stomach. i stated that the best way to combat that would be to take in a small amount of hydrolyzed whey protein along with the bcaa's.
please fill me in on this point though. you said that almost every pro bodybuilder and top trainer will tell you that you can't build muscle while burning fat. have you actually spoke to some pros or trainers first hand or is this something you heard or read somewhere?
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You are right; the body cannot build muscle whilst on a diet. If you have a negative caloric balance you have a negative nitrogen balance and a positive nitrogen balance (achieved only through a caloric surplus) is required for anabolism.
Burning fat is something different. Trenbolone is so androgenic and anti-estrogenic that one can bunr fat whilst taking in maintenance level calories; barring such pharmaceutical aid, it is physiologically impossible to build muscle whilst on a diet (caloric deficit).
Canjizzle is a fucking idiot...but that is well established now.
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well no i dont really feel that there is too much of a difference except for the amount of nutrients in the blood stream and in storage. and i bet your right..it probably is safer, as far as muscle catabolism goes, to do it post traning.
If you feel it's safer, why do you think anyone would continue to do empty stomach cardio, KNOWING that you will lose muscle?
you eat 5 chicken breasts? holy shit man. i have a huge appetite as well...and i could tear through an endless amount of food.. but i wonder why you would make it a daily habit? i can only assume that your on the sauce is you are actually synthesizing any more than maybe, at a maximum, 65-70 grams of protein.
My theories on the above completely contradict 99.999999999999999999999 9999999999% of the community we know as bodybuilding as well as anyone looking to put on muscle.
I've never liked a high carb, or even medium carb, diet. Once I get to about 3/4 of my bodyweight total in carbs per day, I start getting FAT. I don't restrict my carbs a la the Atkins diet, but I try to not go about 100g or so a day.
I could eat more than five breasts too. The reason why I eat that much, is because it's right after my workout, and I've just busted my muscles to hell. What do I want for them to recover? Protein. In this regard, I firmly stand by scientific fact that "there is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate!" In other words, you DO NOT need them. It's not what I think my body will utilize, but what I will give it and make sure it has whatever amount it wants to utilize. And I don't get fat from doing this, until I add in carbs. Personal experience is what proves this to me.
Some of my other "legendary" eating feats include an extra large pizza by myself, 2 double Angus Burgers and a burrito from Carl's Jr./Green Burrito, 18 Colonel Strips from KFC, two 4x4's plus a strawberry shake from In 'N' Out Burger.
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Some of my other "legendary" eating feats include an extra large pizza by myself, 2 double Angus Burgers and a burrito from Carl's Jr./Green Burrito, 18 Colonel Strips from KFC, two 4x4's plus a strawberry shake from In 'N' Out Burger.
All in the same day or as one big long meal??? Dude, did you have to get really stoned to eat that much? 8)
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Hahahahaha, the above was all in a separate day.
Here is a post from another board, and I do say where one is one meal, and one part is the full day. Get out ya Alka Seltzer! :D
Some feats within one meal (most meals in this period are within 30-60min of one another...no digestion time at all!):
wake up with 5 PB&J sandwiches, wash down with a quart of milk, 30min later I have....
pint of Ben And Jerry's Cookie Dough Ice Cream...still hungry so I go back to the store and buy another pint and eat that all in a sitting. 30min after that, I make brownies bought from Costco, so around an hour from that last meal I ate half the pan of that and gave the rest to my roommate.
An hour later, I walked to the donut shop and bought a dozen donuts; notables include maple bars, old fashioned glazed, and the sugar topped long churro looking things.
About an hour and a half from there, I ordered a medium pizza from Round Table, and ate the whole thing, washing it down with a diet (of course!!!) Pepsi. 30min later, I had ordered a burrito with meat and cheese only (my usual fare) and ate it about an hour later.
Somewhere in there I know there was an entire box of Golden Grahams cereal with non-fat milk too. All in one sitting, I used a giant salad bowl! ;D
I seem to remember finishing this day off with a huge plate of BBQ from Everett & Jones, and having horrible Acid Reflux as I lay there falling asleep....no idea why!!! #smileydunno9gx# #bangelsmiley4td#
That was ONE DAY, for the record.
The other day I was in Carls Jr. recalling a meal I ate, and decided to look it up at the nutritional information poster they had. After reading the info, I decided never again will I even attempt this let alone want it.
Two Double Angus Burgers plain: 1195 cals EACH. Including 110g of FAT in EACH!!!! That's 220g of FAT in one meal...and that's PART ONE!!! OMG I'm scaring myself as I type!!! :o
One Green Burrito Beef burrito (same restaurant with CJ): 820cals, including 43g of fat)
One Large Choc. Shake (this is the estimate for a Small chocolate shake from Burger King): 522cals including 22g of fat.
All told that ONE MEAL was 3732cals, with a rough estimate of 285g of fat. :o :o :o
As I look at what I wrote, I'm surprised I didn't/haven't keel over from a heart attack as I finished burger #1 let alone wash it down with a shake, another burger, and a burrito.
My gosh....that's one disgusting meal!!! But at the time it tasted good!!!
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Man, you are my idol!! That is some serious chow...so, how many joints did it take to eat that much? ;D
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if i posted some of the meals i have eaten absolutely no one would believe me.. the above meals are small in comparison to the type of food it takes to get me "stuffed"... i have what is termed a "bottomless stomach'..i can just kep packing and packing and packing in the food. i have literally whiped out a mongolian bbq buffet before. they didnt have any more food. no joke..no excaggeration.
i have the potential to be one FAT mother fucker.
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if i posted some of the meals i have eaten absolutely no one would believe me.. the above meals are small in comparison to the type of food it takes to get me "stuffed"... i have what is termed a "bottomless stomach'..i can just kep packing and packing and packing in the food. i have literally whiped out a mongolian bbq buffet before. they didnt have any more food. no joke..no excaggeration.
i have the potential to be one FAT mother fucker.
I am not touching this one....well, I can't help it....you mean to say you eat more than Youngblood listed above and you are NOT fat? That is about as nice as I could put it.
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no no no no...back when i use to eat like that i WAS extremely fat. a fat fuck, really.
here..check it out=
(me before i started bodybuilding/dieting.)
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I'm sure you could eat forever and a day Candidizzle. And I'm not taking any wind out of your sails whatsover.
But to let you know, the above cheat day was when I weighed 170lbs. I could eat like that every day if I wanted to. But I like my abs too much!!!
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no no no no...back when i use to eat like that i WAS extremely fat. a fat fuck, really.
here..check it out=
(me before i started bodybuilding/dieting.)
Can we say: WHITE TRASH!!!
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yeah for sure..i am white trash. lol.