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NEW YORK -- George Mitchell called a news conference for 2 p.m. ET Thursday to announce the results of his 20-month investigation into drug use in baseball.
Bud Selig does not plan to attend the 2 p.m. ET news conference, which will be held at a Manhattan hotel a few blocks from the commissioner's office.
Major League Baseball reviewed a draft Tuesday at the Manhattan office of DLA Piper, the law firm that Mitchell chairs, a baseball official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because Mitchell hasn't authorized any statements.
Baseball officials have said for several weeks that management would be able to examine the report on performance-enhancing drugs a few days before it is made public to make sure it does not contain any confidential information that if released would violate NEW YORK -- George Mitchell called a news conference for Thursday to announce the results of his 20-month investigation into drug use in baseball.
Mitchell said Wednesday he will release his report then, and it will be posted online at MLB.com shortly after that. Selig will hold his own news conference 2½ hours after the one by Mitchell.
Baseball reviewed a draft Tuesday at the Manhattan office of DLA Piper, the law firm that Mitchell chairs, a baseball official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because Mitchell hasn't authorized any statements.
Baseball officials have said for several weeks that management would be able to examine the report on performance-enhancing drugs a few days before it is made public to make sure it does not contain confidential information that if released would violate the collective bargaining agreement between players and owners.
The joint drug agreement, which has been part of the labor contract since September 2002, prohibits the commissioner's office, teams and consultants from disclosing player test results, treatment and other information except in very limited, specified circumstances.
Mitchell, a former Senate majority leader, is a director of the Boston Red Sox and served on one of Selig's economic study committees. Selig hired him in March 2006 to investigate drug use in the sport.
He's expected by many in baseball to be critical of the sport for being slow to react to its drug problem in 1990s and beyond. What they will be looking to see in his report is how he parcels blame among Selig, club owners, general managers, other team employees, the players' association and players themselves.
The revelation of players who have not yet been publicly linked to drug use figures to be the most sensational part of the report. Media reports have linked an array of All-Stars and MVPs to performance-enhancers in recent years, among them Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, the late Ken Caminiti, Juan Gonzalez and Mark McGwire.
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NEW YORK -- George Mitchell called a news conference for 2 p.m. ET Thursday to announce the results of his 20-month investigation into drug use in baseball.
Bud Selig does not plan to attend the 2 p.m. ET news conference, which will be held at a Manhattan hotel a few blocks from the commissioner's office.
Major League Baseball reviewed a draft Tuesday at the Manhattan office of DLA Piper, the law firm that Mitchell chairs, a baseball official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because Mitchell hasn't authorized any statements.
Baseball officials have said for several weeks that management would be able to examine the report on performance-enhancing drugs a few days before it is made public to make sure it does not contain any confidential information that if released would violate NEW YORK -- George Mitchell called a news conference for Thursday to announce the results of his 20-month investigation into drug use in baseball.
Mitchell said Wednesday he will release his report then, and it will be posted online at MLB.com shortly after that. Selig will hold his own news conference 2½ hours after the one by Mitchell.
Baseball reviewed a draft Tuesday at the Manhattan office of DLA Piper, the law firm that Mitchell chairs, a baseball official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because Mitchell hasn't authorized any statements.
Baseball officials have said for several weeks that management would be able to examine the report on performance-enhancing drugs a few days before it is made public to make sure it does not contain confidential information that if released would violate the collective bargaining agreement between players and owners.
The joint drug agreement, which has been part of the labor contract since September 2002, prohibits the commissioner's office, teams and consultants from disclosing player test results, treatment and other information except in very limited, specified circumstances.
Mitchell, a former Senate majority leader, is a director of the Boston Red Sox and served on one of Selig's economic study committees. Selig hired him in March 2006 to investigate drug use in the sport.
He's expected by many in baseball to be critical of the sport for being slow to react to its drug problem in 1990s and beyond. What they will be looking to see in his report is how he parcels blame among Selig, club owners, general managers, other team employees, the players' association and players themselves.
The revelation of players who have not yet been publicly linked to drug use figures to be the most sensational part of the report. Media reports have linked an array of All-Stars and MVPs to performance-enhancers in recent years, among them Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, the late Ken Caminiti, Juan Gonzalez and Mark McGwire.
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and by monday we will be thinking about the NFL playoff picture BTW isnt mitchell on the board of trustees for the red sox
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and by monday we will be thinking about the NFL playoff picture
agree....
the steroids issue is pretty old by now and most people are'nt gonna be surprised at any new names brought into the mix at this point
I think most of the names that are gonna surface are the ones Canseco's already named in his book
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i saw a commercial that I THINK good morning america is gonna do a story on this tomorow. said they were gonna say everybody(players) who are involved.
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Andy Pettite, Roger Clemens and Tejada have been named. Anyone have the complete list?
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eric gagne too. havent seen the whole list yet but will post soon
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eric gagne too. havent seen the whole list yet but will post soon
Sources say it is going to be a long day for the yankees. No mets named I guess.
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No full list yet.
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Sources say it is going to be a long day for the yankees. No mets named I guess.
Imagine that ::)they better name a couple of Red Sox players or Mitchell will get called out as a homer >:(
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Imagine that ::)they better name a couple of Red Sox players or Mitchell will get called out as a homer >:(
Are you really shocked? I There where a lot of steriod rumors with yankee's players before this report.
I bet it will be a lot of Former players. I know for a fact Jeter is not on the list.
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From the Report
Illegal use of these Substances to improve athletic preformance also carries with it potentially serious negative side effects on the human body. Steroid users place themselves at risk for Psychiatric problems, Cardiovascular and liver damage, drastic changes to their reproductive systems, musculoskeletal injury and other problems. Users of HGH risk cancer, harm to their reproductive health, cardiac and thyroid problems and overgrowth of bone and connective tissue
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just heard part of the report talking about clemens. when he was a blue jay he talked to canseco(also blue jay at that time) about winstrol and stacking. had his trainer inject him at least 4 times over a peroid of a few weeks
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The entire report
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071213/mitchell_report.pdf
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The entire report
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071213/mitchell_report.pdf
ya im scanning over ir right now...will post names when i come across the.
it a fukkin long report >:(
barry bonds and gregg zaun also named
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Are you really shocked? I mean come on. There where a lot of steriod rumors with yankee's players before this report.
Shocked? no not a bit.i'm waiting for them to name Stanton.that dude came from Atlanta throwing 91-92 tops,gets to the Yanks and is throwing 94-96 ::)
all I want is the report to be fair.frankly alot of this is hearsay and statements from criminals and people protecting their own asses.
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FULL LIST OF NAMES
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan
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FULL LIST OF NAMES
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan
Thanks bro. Very suprised with Pettite being on that list. A lot the others not so much.
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so like all this stuff is basically from interviews and hear say right?
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NOT MO VAUGHN!!!! my life is ruined.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-mitchellreport&prov=ap&type=lgns
::) Oh brother!!
"he injected him in the buttocks with testosterone from a vial labled either sustanon 250 or Deca Durabolin
I never knew nandralone was "testosterone"
morons.
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Is every team on here?
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Is every team on here?
Pretty Much. Either way the MLB is the true guilty party.
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Is every team on here?
the report states that all 30 teams had a player or players
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the report states that all 30 teams had a player or players
True. The MLB got some explaining to doooooooooooo
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NEW YORK -- George Mitchell called a news conference for 2 p.m. ET Thursday to announce the results of his 20-month investigation into drug use in baseball.
From my blog:
As some of you know, the "Mitchell Report" is out that names names as far as steroid use in pro baseball.
I was interviewed by Senator Mitchell’s group about this issue during their research, though I have nothing directly to do with pro baseball or any pro baseball players. They asked my opinion on what could be done, how prevalent did I think steroid use was in pro baseball, did I think it was higher then in pro football, and a bunch of others, but you get the idea. So what did I tell them? The major points I made to them was this:
• If they truly want to make a dent in the use of steroids in pro baseball, they will need to initiate true random testing as the IOC does (though I suspect the union would never go for that)
• I made it clear to them that the people who develop these “designer” steroids and advise the athletes in the use of these compounds, are at least 10 steps ahead of the testers, so drug use will always be a part of pro sports. Some drugs, such as Growth Hormone, can’t be tested for at all! Neither can a whole mess of different drugs.
• Relating to the last comments above, I told them that as long as we pay grown men millions of dollars to hit or catch a ball and view them as heroes and demigods, there would always be drugs in pro sports.
• Finally, I told them the real problem in baseball is not steroids, it’s the use of amphetamines also known as “greenies” in baseball circles. Times Sports Columnist Gary Shelton, recently wrote an article that spilled the beans. His article was called “Steroids hoopla overshadowing deadlier drug” and was Published November 18, 2005. As Mr. Shelton put it:
“… in witch-hunting season, 'roids are all the rage. Congressmen are talking about them. Ballplayers are talking about them. Except for Mark McGwire and the person in charge of Rafael Palmeiro's B-12 shot, everybody is talking about them. In baseball, steroids have become the fashionable outrage.”
Mr. Shelton summed it up well when he stated:
“Amphetamines are a bigger problem than steroids. They are a greater danger. And, yes, the ban against them is going to have more of an affect.” How common is the use of amphetamines in pro baseball? According to Shelton:
“All you can say about amphetamine [in professional baseball] use is that it is as common as a fungo bat and, pretty much, is accepted as easily. Two years ago, Gwynn suggested that as many as 50 percent of position players used amphetamines to get ready for games. Chad Curtis, the former Yankees outfielder, says the number is 85 percent. Caminiti said there were only one or two players per team who didn't take them…"
What about other sports who have faced this problem? He states:
“The NFL tests for amphetamines, as do the NBA and the NHL and the Olympics. Baseball never has. In baseball, it often has been a bigger disgrace for a player not to take amphetamines than to take them, and sometimes, it seems the key statistic might not be a batting average but a dosage. Turns out, this might be real Green Monster in the game.”
So what we have here is a rampant use of a much more dangerous drug than steroids that has apparently been ignored by the powers that be and the public in general. So what do I think of drug use in sports in general? I take a fairly Libertarian view of such things. Unless we as a society are willing and able to change our paradigm, drug use will remain an issue. If we continue to view athletes as defacto heroes and pay them tens of millions of dollar salaries, then they will continue to look for ways to get an edge over their teammates to get the big contracts. The problem is only going to get worse. Once gene manipulation, gene doping, and other tricks that are right around the corner arrive, there wont be any way to catch them, test them, or stop them. I don’t know what the answer is (drug tested and non drug tested leagues?) but I do know the current policies for dealing with drugs in pro sports have not worked and never will.
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True. The MLB got some explaining to doooooooooooo
no.........
they really don't,the simple fact is without a positive test nobody will ever have anything on these guys other than suspicion.
the press will run with it for a couple weeks (or maybe a few months) but ultimatley logic will win out nad the end of most of the coneversation will end with NO PROOF !
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no.........
they really don't,the simple fact is without a positive test nobody will ever have anything on these guys other than suspicion.
the press will run with it for a couple weeks (or maybe a few months) but ultimatley logic will win out nad the end of most of the coneversation will end with NO PROOF !
Proof won't matter to the HOF voters.
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Proof won't matter to the HOF voters.
this is true...
there's only 3 guys on the list that'll be affected by that factor...Roger,Andy and Barry, and the alligations of use for Roger and Andy were in 02 and a case could be made that they had the numbers to get in before 02
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Pretty Much. Either way the MLB is the true guilty party.
So true.
20 months and 20 million and the investigation gets 68% of its names from a NY Mets clubhouse guy trying to avoid going to jail. What would they have had with out him to show for their "efforts".
This was done so that MLB could say they did something. Since there's reported to be no disciplinary action, what's the point of the whole thing?