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Can Vick stay buff in jail?
By Patrick Hruby
ESPN PAGE 2
Michael Vick is going away. But not forever. Which begs the question: Can the Atlanta Falcons quarterback use his 23 months of federal prison time as a springboard to a possible NFL comeback?
More to the point, can he stay in anything remotely resembling football game shape while pumping iron in the yard and scarfing jailhouse tater tots?
It's not terribly difficult to stay in shape when you have constant assistance from coaches and trainers. It's quite another matter in prison, with a restricted diet and poor workout equipment.
Page 2 asks the questions so you don't have to:
What kind of shape can someone such as Michael Vick stay in while behind bars?
Teddy Atlas, boxing trainer: I trained a heavyweight, Art Tucker, who had been incarcerated for 12 years.
Did most of his time in Rahway, N.J. (East Jersey State Prison). He came out and went into a professional career. He was in very good shape, which of course is not hard to do while you're incarcerated. Not to make fun of it, but you have plenty of time on your hands.
Dave "Jumbo" Palumbo, pro bodybuilder, former federal inmate and author of "Perfect Prison Physique": When I first got to prison, I thought it would be impossible to maintain my muscle. And I lost a lot of weight initially. But after a while, once you get used to the system there, you can adapt to anything.
Abdul-Karim al-Jabbar, personal trainer and former NFL running back: To be quite honest? With some guidance, and if Vick is really serious, I believe he could make his body incredible. Ten years in prison would be too much. But in 20 months, it's possible his body could be stronger than it's ever been.
Right, so besides being in prison, what's the downside?
A trainer who works with NFL players: I've worked with guys who have been out of the league for only a year. Their skills erode. You can't replicate doing things at game speed, being in an environment where you're being coached. It's one thing to be in shape, and another to be in football shape at the NFL level. It's going to be an uphill battle.
Atlas: One advantage fighters used to have is that in some prisons you could actually box. They've done away with that. And there's no substitute for practicing your sport, no replacement for the timing, the mental and emotional and physical pressures that the sport brings. You can't forge making the right mental and physical choices, and that has to be forged.
al-Jabbar: I think he has the natural ability to come back and play the game, but not at the level he played it before. I don't see him getting that speed back, running around and doing the things he was able to do.
In terms of being a quarterback who throws the ball, there's a chance for him.
Where does Vick start?
A trainer who works with NFL players: First and foremost, he's gonna need to eat three square meals a day. Stay hydrated. That's the simplest thing. But is he going to want to eat? Is he depressed? There's a mental aspect. And how is the food?
Michael Truman, spokesman, Federal Bureau of Prisons: Inmates' diets are basically taken from military recipes, formulas for large groups of individuals.
Palumbo: The hardest part is eating healthy. Most of the food is horrible.
Truman: A typical breakfast would be like fruit, cereal, muffin, milk, coffee and tea. Lunch would be a fish sandwich, potato chips, vegetable, fruit, a fruit drink of some sort. Dinner would be soup, baked chicken, a vegetable, fruit.
Palumbo: They provide a lot of carbohydrates, but not much protein. Once a week, they had chicken night. That was good. But it's random. You get there last to the meal hall, and you wind up eating the chicken legs. The early guys get the breasts. Also, they have a ton of beans -- but if you eat too much, you'll fart your brains out.
Truman: Some items are rationed. Meat is rationed.
Palumbo: What I did was buy chunk tuna packets at the commissary. Thirty grams of protein, and they cost like 90 cents. I ate seven a day. I would eat it with my oatmeal in the morning. When you're starving, it's delicious. I always say, if there's mercury in tuna, I'm either going to die of poisoning, or I've become totally immune. Once or twice a week, they have hamburger night, too. Problem is, you only get one patty. Unless you work in the kitchen. That's what I did. That's what I'd recommend for Vick.
Will Vick be able to pump iron in jail?
Michael Vick still has plenty of supporters, but his conditioning while in prison will be completely up to him.
Palumbo: The prison I was in actually had some free weights. They were outside. In winter, we'd wear jackets; during the summer, we'd be sweating our [expletive] off. They weren't the greatest weights.
Truman: Public law prohibits the introduction of any equipment into a federal prison. Equipment that was already in there is allowable. Repairs are prohibited with exception of immediate life safety. The law went into effect around 2002, maybe even further back than that.
Palumbo: They think the inmates are going to get too big for the corrections officers and overpower them. A lot of these facilities have no weights at all. So guys do push-ups, pull-ups. In some places they make their own weights -- you'll see them bench-pressing a broomstick with two water-filled garbage bags -- or use other people as weight.
al-Jabbar: You don't need weights. I could make a whole routine with just a towel, something so dynamic and unconventional you'd build core strength, strength in places you've never even had to use before. It's all about your mind and how focused you are.
What else can Vick do to stay fit?
Truman: There's usually an outdoor or an indoor area to exercise. A track. Basketball courts. Maybe an area with stationary bikes.
Palumbo: The amateur sports they had in my prison -- the softball league, the touch football league, organized basketball leagues -- it was a high level of competition. You'd have to be a semipro athlete to compete with some of these guys. Sometimes they'd bring in basketball teams from the local community colleges. Our team would always win. Once Vick starts making friends, they're going to love having him, want him to play everything. They're going to fight over him. They like to win.
Especially against the all-guard team, right?
Palumbo: Nah, nah, That's TV movie stuff. But I have news for you: These guys do get hurt. If I were Vick, I'd be careful. He could blow out a knee!
How much time will Vick have to work out?
Truman: All inmates have to work at a job. A typical day in prison goes like this:
• 6:00 a.m. -- Lights on
• 6:30 -- Breakfast
• 7:00 -- Work call
• 11:00 -- Lunch
• 3:30 -- End of work day
• 5:00 -- Dinner
• 9:00 -- Compound closes
Between five and nine is when inmates would have the opportunity to go to the different recreation areas.
al-Jabbar: The thing Vick could possibly benefit the most from is the regimen. The body is very good with that. If he has to eat at the same time and sleep at the same time and do all these other things at the same time, he could see better results than somebody just out on the street.
Palumbo: I took a morning job, worked at 6 a.m. But you have to understand: in jail, work is like watching grass grow. You gotta be there, but there's not much work involved. I was responsible for mopping about a 4 foot by 4 foot area of the floor. And even if you're working five hours, what else are you doing the rest of the day?
Can Vick stay motivated?
A trainer who works with NFL players: That's going to be his biggest challenge. Mentally, can he stay with this? You're taking away football, something that defines him and has been with him since he was a kid. Now he doesn't have that, and he's isolated. No teammates, no coaches, no trainer. That's hard. Even though these guys are playing at the highest level, they need to be coached and motivated.
al-Jabbar: A lot of guys have never learned how to take care of themselves on their own. They do it with the team. Once they're out of the game, they completely stop. And once you do that, your body deteriorates so much more rapidly than a recreational athlete. Your body is used to such a high level of stress that once your remove it, a certain amount of atrophy kicks in. The tendons and ligaments change.
Palumbo: There were certain days where I'd say to the guys I was friends with, something is [expletive] up, I just feel really weird. Turns out there's this level of stress that is on you at all times when you're in prison. You may not be aware. You block it out. Most people do, because you can't deal with it. But it's there all the time, and your resistance gets weak and you feel it and get depressed. It may hit a guy like Vick more because he was on top of the world, and now he has to take orders from people.
Suppose Vick does his time, keeps himself fit and is allowed to return to football. Then what?
A trainer who works with NFL players: Personally, I think he can pick up his skills again. He's relatively healthy and still young. Michael's biggest problem will be picking back up the speed of the game. That speed continues to move and go. And he'll be older.
Atlas: When Art [Tucker] came out, he wasn't used to the level of competition he would get in the gyms. Some of it was physical, the pace and speed. But mentally and emotionally, he just hadn't been asked the kind of questions that good competition forces you to answer. He suffered with making choices under pressure.
al-Jabbar: When I played with Dan Marino, he had undergone so many surgeries by that point that he could barely move in the pocket. But he was so savvy, he only needed to move a few inches to be able to play. I don't think Michael ever developed those pure quarterback skills. He relied on his legs. If anybody has a shot at this, it's him, because of how talented he is. But how long will he be out? Three years? Once he's out of prison, it could take him another three years to really get back in the game.
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Whos better to speak on this subject than palumbo though. ;)
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Whos better to speak on this subject than palumbo though. ;)
Or any employee of Muscular Development Magazine for that matter.
FT-1
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Palumbo's parents must be so proud of thier son......
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was vick ever buff?
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I wonder if prison is where Palumbo learned all his make-up tips.
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Yo yo yo, I heard there was, like, a big difference between the workout equipment in a federal prison vs. what one would find in a state prison.
Is that true, Lift?
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Dave "Jumbo" Palumbo, pro bodybuilder, former federal inmate and author of "Perfect Prison Physique
Ummmmm.... when exactly did Palumbo earn a pro card? ::) He must tell everyone who he thinks won't know any better that he's a "pro".
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Ummmmm.... when exactly did Palumbo earn a pro card? ::) He must tell everyone who he thinks won't know any better that he's a "pro".
Hahaha, was thinking the same thing.
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pretty good read, thanks for posting that
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Ummmmm.... when exactly did Palumbo earn a pro card? ::) He must tell everyone who he thinks won't know any better that he's a "pro".
He's a 'pro' in that he earns his living from bodybuilding.
Without knowing the specifics of his financials, it's probably a safe bet that he earns more from bodybuilding than most people who currently hold a 'pro card'.
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He's a 'pro' in that he earns his living from bodybuilding.
Without knowing the specifics of his financials, it's probably a safe bet that he earns more from bodybuilding than most people who currently hold a 'pro card'.
He's still not a pro bodybuilder meaning he has never competed in an IFBB pro event due to eligibility, hope that helps.
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Ummmmm.... when exactly did Palumbo earn a pro card? ::) He must tell everyone who he thinks won't know any better that he's a "pro".
that was the first things i noticed too
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Vick will be in a federal pen, he's minimum security, he has plenty of money. He'll have no trouble at all staying in excellent condition.
If you don't believe me, just ask me.
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Vick will be in a federal pen, he's minimum security, he has plenty of money. He'll have no trouble at all staying in excellent condition.
If you don't believe me, just ask me.
you've been to club fed?
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you've been to club fed?
I've been everywhere.
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Vick will be in a federal pen, he's minimum security, he has plenty of money. He'll have no trouble at all staying in excellent condition.
If you don't believe me, just ask me.
he's going to face charges from the state(Commonwealth of Virginia) next. he'll serve in state prison after federal.
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I've been everywhere.
including a few gay bars apparently
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He's a 'pro' in that he earns his living from bodybuilding.
Without knowing the specifics of his financials, it's probably a safe bet that he earns more from bodybuilding than most people who currently hold a 'pro card'.
with that logic jim manion, mattc and 240 or bust are pros too because they make money from bodybuilding.
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Vick will be in a federal pen, he's minimum security, he has plenty of money. He'll have no trouble at all staying in excellent condition.
If you don't believe me, just ask me.
I believe it. Money talks!
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Vick will be in a federal pen, he's minimum security, he has plenty of money. He'll have no trouble at all staying in excellent condition.
If you don't believe me, just ask me.
so he's going to be able to have some sink deep back into the pocket is what your saying?
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/features/essays/vick/vick03_lg-01.jpg
this is what the main stream considers buff.
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including a few gay bars apparently
My secret is out. :)
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the guy shouldn't be locked up for what he did in the first place but it makes me laugh how they're so concerned about whether he's going to be able to lift weights or not, unbelievable.
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he's going to face charges from the state(Commonwealth of Virginia) next. he'll serve in state prison after federal.
Right, but after that he'll be in good shape to start coaching Pop Warner and cleaning public johns. If that doesn't pan out, he can always publish his lifestory, "How I Fucked Up Everything That Was Handed To Me On A Plate."
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he's going to face charges from the state(Commonwealth of Virginia) next. he'll serve in state prison after federal.
I know that's what the media is saying but it won't happen. The charges are essentially the same and the Virginia DA won't try the case. Now it's possible they'll press some sort of charge, get Vick to plead guilty, to say they are fighting crime, but Vick will not go back to the joint.
My two cents.
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I dunno. This guy is going to literally live in infamy for the rest of his existence. I'd be surprised if any elected official would risk being seen as soft on Vick, even years down the line. Joe Blow might get waved thru but Vicks goose is cooked well done.
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I know that's what the media is saying but it won't happen. The charges are essentially the same and the Virginia DA won't try the case. Now it's possible they'll press some sort of charge, get Vick to plead guilty, to say they are fighting crime, but Vick will not go back to the joint.
My two cents.
i appreciate you wisdom but we'll see what the state does.
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Vick Property Fails to Sell at Auction
SURRY, Va. -- Maybe it was the inescapable mind's-eye visions of the brutality inflicted on dogs in the rugged wooded area behind the fence. Or maybe it was the glare of the media spotlight.
Something kept Michael Vick's former dogfighting headquarters from selling at auction Saturday, disappointing a real estate developer who has about $500,000 tied up in the place.
"I didn't see the people in the crowd I thought we needed," Wilbur Ray Todd Jr. said after rejecting the only serious bid _ $747,000, the property's assessed value for real estate tax purposes.
Todd said he thought the 15-acre country estate in rural southeastern Virginia was worth at least $1 million, even without "the celebrity factor." He now plans to list the house for a more conventional sale.
Vick is serving a 23-month sentence for a dogfighting conspiracy. The suspended Atlanta Falcons quarterback and three co-defendants raised pit bulls and trained them for fighting in the area behind a 4,600-square-foot white brick house. Several dogs that did not perform well in test fights were executed.
Facing financial ruin, Vick sold the property to Todd for the bargain price of $450,000. The disgraced NFL star has lost millions in endorsement deals and will lose the final $71 million of his Falcons contract. He also might have to repay the team nearly $20 million, and he's being sued by three banks for allegedly defaulting on nearly $6 million in loans.
Todd spent about $50,000 sprucing up the place, which had been trashed by burglars and looters. People arriving for the auction noticed the most recent addition: a front-yard flag pole, with a Falcons flag rippling in the cold wind.
"It was the finishing touch," Todd said.
A container for donations to the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals was placed at the front of the driveway, and a small concession stand offered burgers, hot dogs and drinks, with proceeds going to the SPCA.
About 70 people packed the home's den and kitchen for the auction, but only six registered as possible bidders. Todd and real estate agent Kyle Thomas Hause Jr. clearly had hoped that despite the dogfighting conviction, the Vick name would help sell the house.
"This is the famous Michael Vick house!" Hause declared as he opened the auction.
A flier distributed at three open houses over the past week, and again Saturday, described the 1915 Moonlight Road property as "formerly owned by famous NFL football star Michael Vick."
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He's a 'pro' in that he earns his living from bodybuilding.
Without knowing the specifics of his financials, it's probably a safe bet that he earns more from bodybuilding than most people who currently hold a 'pro card'.
He's an amateur who happens to be making money like a pro, but then again we know what happened to him because of the "way" he makes money.
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Haha omg is this Todd guy for real? He should quit his day job sounds like a dumbass who got lucky.
A atlanta falcons flag in the front yard, "celebrity factor" what a fucing douche, "spruce" up the place gayer than that gay show with 5 guys
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Vick will be out of jail around Jan 2009
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Vick will be out of jail around Jan 2009
Yea sure he will ::) State charges coming up next.
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Yea sure he will ::) State charges coming up next.
If anything Vick will be back before Jan 09
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Yea sure he will ::) State charges coming up next.
Yes he will
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woah... Vick is Broke????
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Face it, some are just destined for jail. ;D
You're a top NFL quarterback and you're betting on dog fights? haha This guy should be kept in jail for a while, just to keep another dumb citizen off the streets. I'd bet he tops out at 85 on an IQ test. Complete idiot.
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who cares,hopefully he gets raped a few hundred times,contracts aids and dies.fucking piece of shit booner.
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maybe jumbo can provide vick with some of the same shit he gave billy guns...
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the guy shouldn't be locked up for what he did in the first place but it makes me laugh how they're so concerned about whether he's going to be able to lift weights or not, unbelievable.
epic advocate of animal cruelty.
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Face it, some are just destined for jail. ;D
You're a top NFL quarterback and you're betting on dog fights? haha This guy should be kept in jail for a while, just to keep another dumb citizen off the streets. I'd bet he tops out at 85 on an IQ test. Complete idiot.
Word is that the coaching staff had to 'dumb down'/simplify the offensive plays for Vick because he just couldn't remember them all.