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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: 12secGT on December 21, 2007, 01:24:48 PM
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Anyone know where to get this: AST Products 19-Nor 250. Is it off the market now? I see it in the review and they say it's pretty good. Anyon use it before and if so is it any good? Or will I be added to the Mitchell Report! ;D
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Wow, 19 Nor products have been gone for a long time now, really long time...
Were you in a coma for a while?
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Wow, 19 Nor products have been gone for a long time now, really long time...
Were you in a coma for a while?
I guess so... New to the whole supp scene... :'( Anything comparable with trying??
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I guess so... New to the whole supp scene... :'( Anything comparable with trying??
Besides eating real food, whey protein, multi vitamin, EFA's?
I do not advise any pro-hormones anymore. They have gotten out of hand and dangerous, IMO.
You want similar to 19-Nor, get Deca ;)
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Besides eating real food, whey protein, multi vitamin, EFA's?
I do not advise any pro-hormones anymore. They have gotten out of hand and dangerous, IMO.
You want similar to 19-Nor, get Deca ;)
I hear you.. I already eat right, take a multi V. Creatine, Protein, ZMA and a dose of BCAA's an hour prior to lifting however I was thinking about a little kick like what 19-Nor would give. What is your opinion on DHEA? I read where 19-Nor and DHEA have similar properties but that DHEA is not nearly as potent... Are there any Pro-H's out there like 19-Nor that have little sides when compared to others?? Maybe I should also ask if they are even legal to buy?? I mean, I'm sure I can find some site to purchase, but don't want the mail police knocking on my door at 2 am ??? :o
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I hear you.. I already eat right, take a multi V. Creatine, Protein, ZMA and a dose of BCAA's an hour prior to lifting however I was thinking about a little kick like what 19-Nor would give. What is your opinion on DHEA? I read where 19-Nor and DHEA have similar properties but that DHEA is not nearly as potent... Are there any Pro-H's out there like 19-Nor that have little sides when compared to others?? Maybe I should also ask if they are even legal to buy?? I mean, I'm sure I can find some site to purchase, but don't want the mail police knocking on my door at 2 am ??? :o
Unless you are 80 years old, DHEA might not do much for you. Too much is can cause estro sides...
19 nor and DHEA are nothing alike..keep reading though!!!
Man, there are hundreds of pro-hormones out there and honestly, not sure what is like 19 nor lately. You will not get a knock on the door unless you are buying something illegal. PH's are legal, for now. The kids seem to like Tren Xtreme from American Cellular.
Someone will chime in with crappy pro-hormone suggestions, hang tight!
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Unless you are 80 years old, DHEA might not do much for you. Too much is can cause estro sides...
19 nor and DHEA are nothing alike..keep reading though!!!
Man, there are hundreds of pro-hormones out there and honestly, not sure what is like 19 nor lately. You will not get a knock on the door unless you are buying something illegal. PH's are legal, for now. The kids seem to like Tren Xtreme from American Cellular.
Someone will chime in with crappy pro-hormone suggestions, hang tight!
Thanks. What have you heard regarding the Tren? Anyone seeing true results, bad sides?? I do read, and I ask q's so don't think I believe everything I read or hear. I'm not even sure that I will try these just "investigating" their worthiness. Thanks for your time tho...
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Thanks. What have you heard regarding the Tren? Anyone seeing true results, bad sides?? I do read, and I ask q's so don't think I believe everything I read or hear. I'm not even sure that I will try these just "investigating" their worthiness. Thanks for your time tho...
Product is called Tren Xtreme by American Cellular and yeah, the kids seem to grow on it. My opinion is that the over the counter pro-hormones are more dangerous than good quality AAS (Steroids). That is just my opinion. However, if you want to go the pro-hormone route, do a search (upper right corner-"prohormones" or "19 nor") and you will pull up thousands of posts bro.
If you choose to do them, you need to treat them just like gear, eat a lot, do a solid PCT and liver detox or you can do more damage than good! Only run for short cycles, no more than 6 weeks....Good luck man...
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Product is called Tren Xtreme by American Cellular and yeah, the kids seem to grow on it. My opinion is that the over the counter pro-hormones are more dangerous than good quality AAS (Steroids). That is just my opinion. However, if you want to go the pro-hormone route, do a search (upper right corner-"prohormones" or "19 nor") and you will pull up thousands of posts bro.
If you choose to do them, you need to treat them just like gear, eat a lot, do a solid PCT and liver detox or you can do more damage than good! Only run for short cycles, no more than 6 weeks....Good luck man...
I appreciate your help. Not sure if I am going the Pro route or just stay on the natural route. To me it's like getting a BJ in the movie theater.... you know you shouldn't but you can't help yourself when she offers...
Anyway, I will research more. I am weighing in the pros and cons and what I will need to do to maintain a "safe" cycle, i.e.: proper PCT and Liver Detox along with the right cycle dosage. If anyone can give me advice on their experiences, Gains, what PH they used, dose, PCT and Liver Detox and where they got all the stuff I would appreciate! ;D
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i have taken this one with excellent results its a 19 nor product
https://www.tfsupplements.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&qt=29&p=511
Fast action pharma also makes one called Trena
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i have taken this one with excellent results its a 19 nor product
https://www.tfsupplements.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&qt=29&p=511
Fast action pharma also makes one called Trena
Thanks man. It seems this "tren xtreme" or "XTREME TREN" is what people are using. What can you say were your gains on this? What was your cycle like? PCT? Diet?
Thanks man! ;D
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I gained about 13lbs all together my pct was
https://www.tfsupplements.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&qt=25&p=502
I ran both the reduce xt and the inhibit.
overall it was a great cycle
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I gained about 13lbs all together my pct was
https://www.tfsupplements.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&qt=25&p=502
I ran both the reduce xt and the inhibit.
overall it was a great cycle
Thanks, I was checking them out when I researched the xtreme tren product and found that a few have used these with good results. Did you maintain the 13#'s you gained or a large portion of it? How and what did you feel on the cycle? Pre- during- post workouts?? I hate to ask soo many Q's it's just I want to see what real users had to say. Lose any hair?? etc.. Thanks again bro. ;D
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Thanks, I was checking them out when I researched the xtreme tren product and found that a few have used these with good results. Did you maintain the 13#'s you gained or a large portion of it? How and what did you feel on the cycle? Pre- during- post workouts?? I hate to ask soo many Q's it's just I want to see what real users had to say. Lose any hair?? etc.. Thanks again bro. ;D
Yes, I gained about 15 but I ended up with about 13. the pumps are amazing on this product, workouts were defiantly great. No no hair loss but I dont think that one would affect me. At least it hasnt happened yet
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stay natty.
it's a marathon, not a sprint.
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Buying PH's instead of real gear is like buying a Penthouse when there's a whore right outside the partystore door.
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Buying PH's instead of real gear is like buying a Penthouse when there's a whore right outside the partystore door.
I hear you guys... But a gain of anywhere between 10 to 15#'s some have netted for a cycle of ProH is not bad.
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I hear you guys... But a gain of anywhere between 10 to 15#'s some have netted for a cycle of ProH is not bad.
Not bad if you include all the negative effects. Just not worth the gamble, trust me. My system crashed hard from this crap and am on HRT for life now. Much better to educate yourself on real gear and cycle smart. Much safer and better results in the long run.
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Not bad if you include all the negative effects. Just not worth the gamble, trust me. My system crashed hard from this crap and am on HRT for life now. Much better to educate yourself on real gear and cycle smart. Much safer and better results in the long run.
That sucks man! So what happened?? What did you use, cycle? PCT??? I feel bad for you bro.. Sucks. :-\
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That sucks man! So what happened?? What did you use, cycle? PCT??? I feel bad for you bro.. Sucks. :-\
Anabolic Xtreme line, Pheraplex, Superdrol, Prostaz...all banned now. Ran the cycle, did proper PCT and still crashed.
Don't fell bad, made me realize I never should have done it and when I got over 30, probably should have gone with the real deal. Besides the physical aspect, feel better mentally more than anything since using HRT doses. My point to you is, be careful and always get tested if using PH so same thing does not happen to you.
Good luck.
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Busy B:
so basically you did these prohormones, and as a result, your own test production ceased? Or did it just run low....apprx what ng?
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Busy B:
so basically you did these prohormones, and as a result, your own test production ceased? Or did it just run low....apprx what ng?
Yes, did their suggested "stack" along with all the supporting supps.
Test = 100ng.
Fun, huh? :-\
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Yes, did their suggested "stack" along with all the supporting supps.
Test = 100ng.
Fun, huh? :-\
Wow... I'm guessing you felt like crap?? So you say you're on hormone replacement Ther.? And you say for life?? Wow... I guess that part just hit me. Any chance of getting off this stuff?
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I guess so... New to the whole supp scene... :'( Anything comparable with trying??
nandralone....that is what the 19 nors were "supposed" to convert to or act like in the body.
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Buying PH's instead of real gear is like buying a Penthouse when there's a whore right outside the partystore door.
Why would Pro-H be worse than real gear? Would it be because it is "dirty" as I've heard? What I mean is there is more to break down and cause you issues in the liver?
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Why would Pro-H be worse than real gear? Would it be because it is "dirty" as I've heard? What I mean is there is more to break down and cause you issues in the liver?
They will shut you down but give marginal results. Plus supplements aren't regulated by gvt the way drugs are.
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Wow... I'm guessing you felt like crap?? So you say you're on hormone replacement Ther.? And you say for life?? Wow... I guess that part just hit me. Any chance of getting off this stuff?
Would not want to get off. Compared to how I felt with low test, I never want to go back. Men go thru andropause just like women go thru menopause. Google andropause for the symptoms and I had pretty much all of them.
I will stay on forever if I need to but the point is I never want my levels to get that low ever, ever again...just means I need to monitor it.
Why would Pro-H be worse than real gear? Would it be because it is "dirty" as I've heard? What I mean is there is more to break down and cause you issues in the liver?
Besides the liver toxicity, you just do not know what you are getting. With real human grade gear, you know exactly what you are taking. Studies back up test, etc....no long term studies on pro hormones. PH can raise cholesterol, liver enzymes, etc. Like someone said before, most PH are uncontrolled substances or steriods of the past and they never became a controled steroid, their is a reason for that....Too much risk, imo.
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Would not want to get off. Compared to how I felt with low test, I never want to go back. Men go thru andropause just like women go thru menopause. Google andropause for the symptoms and I had pretty much all of them.
I will stay on forever if I need to but the point is I never want my levels to get that low ever, ever again...just means I need to monitor it.
Besides the liver toxicity, you just do not know what you are getting. With real human grade gear, you know exactly what you are taking. Studies back up test, etc....no long term studies on pro hormones. PH can raise cholesterol, liver enzymes, etc. Like someone said before, most PH are uncontrolled substances or steriods of the past and they never became a controled steroid, their is a reason for that....Too much risk, imo.
I hear you, thanks for your points. For me, I'm looking at the availability of the P/H verses real gear. I mean, I can mail order P/H so comparatively where the hell do I get real gear?? I'm not interested in some back room, street corner deal for $400 if you get my drift, and I hear that a good percentage of "real stuff" is fake anyway, coming from places like Mexico and Asia. Maybe I'm wrong and I sound like a puss but do you see what I'm talking about?
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Throw up some pics of your ride.
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Throw up some pics of your ride.
Ahh, someone got my sig!
I don't have any handy but I can tell you it's a 94 Stang GT with a full Griggs tubular suspension. The stock block 5l motor has Heads, cam, full Bassani exhaust, cold air intake and I'm running 3.73's out back. The car ran a 12.85 @104mph with a 1.90 sec 60 ft time. Yes, I learned how to drive it, just ask the transmission shop that replaced the stock T-5 twice! But, I'm married and the car sits in the garage with tears in its eyes longing for the good ol' days... :'( :-* Never get rid of it tho...
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Ahh, someone got my sig!
I don't have any handy but I can tell you it's a 94 Stang GT with a full Griggs tubular suspension. The stock block 5l motor has Heads, cam, full Bassani exhaust, cold air intake and I'm running 3.73's out back. The car ran a 12.85 @104mph with a 1.90 sec 60 ft time. Yes, I learned how to drive it, just ask the transmission shop that replaced the stock T-5 twice! But, I'm married and the car sits in the garage with tears in its eyes longing for the good ol' days... :'( :-* Never get rid of it tho...
I know the feeling. I'm 33 and still have my first car. Sits in my parents garage covered up...never drive it but I won't sell it either.
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12secGT ... good questions, good thread. I too am interested in the answers to your questions, specifically to the last few questions and concerns that you posted prior to discussing your car. I've been kicking around the idea of PH's as well and you hit the nail on the head regarding real gear. I'll stay posted for responses. Thanks.
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I hear you, thanks for your points. For me, I'm looking at the availability of the P/H verses real gear. I mean, I can mail order P/H so comparatively where the hell do I get real gear?? I'm not interested in some back room, street corner deal for $400 if you get my drift, and I hear that a good percentage of "real stuff" is fake anyway, coming from places like Mexico and Asia. Maybe I'm wrong and I sound like a puss but do you see what I'm talking about?
What quality will depend on what you buy. Get real Human Grade and avoid UG labs if you want real stuff. That takes a bit of patience and hopefully you have some friends in the know. Happy Hunting! ;)
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you know b i can see where hes comin from i mean im not in the same position but i understand cause say that day came when i was a free man and i wanted to up my edge so to speak and it was between leagl pro-h which works not as well and more risky but it works or real gear in some illegal transaction getting it and then how do you know whats legit and not i mean is there some way to tell? obviously GT doesnt have anyone in the know otherwise he wouldnt be asking the board...but is there anyway to tell real or not before its to late?
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you know b i can see where hes comin from i mean im not in the same position but i understand cause say that day came when i was a free man and i wanted to up my edge so to speak and it was between leagl pro-h which works not as well and more risky but it works or real gear in some illegal transaction getting it and then how do you know whats legit and not i mean is there some way to tell? obviously GT doesnt have anyone in the know otherwise he wouldnt be asking the board...but is there anyway to tell real or not before its to late?
Yeah, I had a "friend" ;D Who tried what he thought was real gear a long time ago. Now mind you, I'm 36 so we are talking like 14 years ago or so... Anyway, he bought this oral "D-Bol" that came in push out type foil pack, the writing was in Russian or German or some language other than english and he gained nothing! Not even sure he cycled it right or it was even real, so this is why I'm skeptical. I dunno, I think all of this just might have turned me off to trying... too much to deal with and the sides might not be worth it.
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I know the feeling. I'm 33 and still have my first car. Sits in my parents garage covered up...never drive it but I won't sell it either.
That's the way man. I guess I'm lucky because my wife's Dad is a car guy. Had a 67 GTO and sold it!! :o ??? >:( :-\ He regrets that move, Let me tell u. So my wife understands.... I mean, the Stang is molested and not near the classic as the GTO but it is still a car with a ton of mods, runs hard, spins them in 3rd, and best of all it is paid for so the only thing we are paying for on it is INS. Gotta keep that one! 8)
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12secGT ... good questions, good thread. I too am interested in the answers to your questions, specifically to the last few questions and concerns that you posted prior to discussing your car. I've been kicking around the idea of PH's as well and you hit the nail on the head regarding real gear. I'll stay posted for responses. Thanks.
Thanks, I know I'm prolly asking Q's that 1,000's of others have already but I guess since I'm being anxious and if patience wasn't an issue I wouldn't be asking!
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that sucks Busy B.
last time i got tested i was at 347ng...and i thought that was low! And i've only tried 1AD and 1test years ago.
im only 29 so i have a few years to go until i can get a legal script for androgel!
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that sucks Busy B.
last time i got tested i was at 347ng...and i thought that was low! And i've only tried 1AD and 1test years ago.
im only 29 so i have a few years to go until i can get a legal script for androgel!
All good...you never know how bad you feel until you get fixed the right way. ;)
I understand everyones point of PH being legal but my point is just because it is sold over the counter does not mean it is safe. Just do your homework and search the net for as much info as you can, then make a conscious decision on what is best for you.