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Title: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: MattT on January 03, 2008, 06:53:51 PM
 This is a great day in American History!  ;D



Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: haider on January 03, 2008, 06:55:33 PM
you mean Barack Hussein Osbama?
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 03, 2008, 06:58:10 PM
you mean Barack Hussein Osbama?

Bush let 911 happen.
Rumsfeld gave WMD to Saddam in 1979 to test.
Obama voted AGAINST the war in Iraq.

Are you sure you want to label Obama the terrorist here?
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: bigdumbbell on January 03, 2008, 07:00:30 PM
yeah, pat robertson won them too in 1988  lol
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: MattT on January 03, 2008, 07:01:34 PM
Bush let 911 happen.
Rumsfeld gave WMD to Saddam in 1979 to test.
Obama voted AGAINST the war in Iraq.

Are you sure you want to label Obama the terrorist here?

Tust me if Obama can win in Iowa, which is 97% white pop, then things are looking good for him :D.  He will bring change to America, look at how bad America is doing now?  Things need to change and Obama is going to be the one who makes those changes
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Camel Jockey on January 03, 2008, 07:03:01 PM
Obama does have balls.

He lights marlboro reds and threatens to invade pakistan. Me and him would get along well, but dunno if I could vote for him.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: haider on January 03, 2008, 07:03:13 PM
Bush let 911 happen.
Rumsfeld gave WMD to Saddam in 1979 to test.
Obama voted AGAINST the war in Iraq.

Are you sure you want to label Obama the terrorist here?
meltdown

I just find it funny that a ridiculous percentage of Americans think he's muslim  ;D
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Camel Jockey on January 03, 2008, 07:04:35 PM
meltdown

I just find it funny that a ridiculous percentage of Americans think he's muslim  ;D

His father fathered like a zillion kids.

Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: tommywishbone on January 03, 2008, 07:05:15 PM
Lee Preist did not win Iowa.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: MattT on January 03, 2008, 07:05:58 PM
meltdown

I just find it funny that a ridiculous percentage of Americans think he's muslim  ;D


yeh times are changing
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on January 03, 2008, 07:06:23 PM
Nig Power
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: haider on January 03, 2008, 07:07:49 PM
Nig Power
he's half white, so he's alright.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Camel Jockey on January 03, 2008, 07:08:26 PM
Nig Power

Maybe he'll lessen the tax on malt liquor and phillies blunts?
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 03, 2008, 07:12:23 PM
Tust me if Obama can win in Iowa, which is 97% white pop, then things are looking good for him :D.  He will bring change to America, look at how bad America is doing now?  Things need to change and Obama is going to be the one who makes those changes

I don't give a shit if a man, woman, black, white, purple wins...

I just know that America needs 4 years of healing in the world.

Bush got us a few dozen permanent military bases to kick ass on Russia and CHina if they ever get froggy, and we now control 80% of Iraqi oil. 

Now it's time to change the fact that the world hates us.  You can't be the bully ALL the time.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: bigdumbbell on January 03, 2008, 07:22:15 PM
i'm tickled pink sweet crude is over 100 dollars a barrel
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 03, 2008, 07:26:44 PM
i'm tickled pink sweet crude is over 100 dollars a barrel

it's a tightrope you walk though.

keeps the dollar safe.  Until these nations tire of it and start switching to Euro.  Iraq did that in 2002.  Didn't work out too well for them ;)
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: G o a t b o y on January 03, 2008, 07:27:41 PM
This is a great day in American History!  ;D




Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Alex23 on January 03, 2008, 07:50:19 PM


Hahahah we finally agree on something.. that ethnic Canadian meat shlong warmer has no business commenting on AMERICAN politics.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Alex23 on January 03, 2008, 07:53:06 PM
I don't give a shit if a man, woman, black, white, purple wins...

I just know that America needs 4 years of healing in the world.

Bush got us a few dozen permanent military bases to kick ass on Russia and CHina if they ever get froggy, and we now control 80% of Iraqi oil. 

Now it's time to change the fact that the world hates us.  You can't be the bully ALL the time.

No offense "Rob" but you are more naive than a 6 weeks old lab puppy... do you still work at the University you graduated from? Separation anxiety?
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 03, 2008, 08:14:01 PM
No offense "Rob" but you are more naive than a 6 weeks old lab puppy... do you still work at the University you graduated from? Separation anxiety?

I'm all for wars for oil and bases.  Don't get me wrong.  I have mostly republican views.

But I worry about the impact the anti-American sentiment in so many countries will have.  It's been 7 years of bullying them.  What happens after 15 years?  I worry about that.  We used to be the greatest nation, in the eyes of most of the world.  Now? 
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Alex23 on January 03, 2008, 10:13:15 PM
I'm all for wars for oil and bases.  Don't get me wrong.  I have mostly republican views.

But I worry about the impact the anti-American sentiment in so many countries will have.  It's been 7 years of bullying them.  What happens after 15 years?  I worry about that.  We used to be the greatest nation, in the eyes of most of the world.  Now? 

Go back to the 80's when pop culture of the Regan era bloomed to full capacity; remember how europe was reacting and resisting to "Mc Donalds" and "Coca Cola".. they hated us too back then for the exact same things as now.. they just now give a "different" reason...

It's all an illusion of "hating us" simply to keep the littel footage they have....
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 03, 2008, 10:15:25 PM
Go back to the 80's when pop culture of the Regan era bloomed to full capacity; remember how europe was reacting and resisting to "Mc Donalds" and "Coca Cola".. they hated us too back then for the exact same things as now.. they just now give a "different" reason...

It's all an illusion of "hating us" simply to keep the littel footage they have....

polls and candidates from both parties have helped to perpetuate this illusion.  why?
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Alex23 on January 03, 2008, 10:18:17 PM
polls and candidates from both parties have helped to perpetuate this illusion.  why?

Because there's a need to step back and make it less "obvious". But Sucking blindly on the first european socialist cock isn't gonna "help"..
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 03, 2008, 10:19:45 PM
Because there's a need to step back and make it less "obvious". But Sucking blindly on the first european socialist cock isn't gonna "help"..

I'm all for pilfering the world's resources.  However, Putin's rebuilding, china's deal with Rus and Iran, and Putin's insistance that no caspian states help the US take Iran... these are scary moves - desperate moves - that they only did because they feared we'd take 3 or 4 or 5 nations for oil.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Alex23 on January 03, 2008, 10:24:23 PM
I'm all for pilfering the world's resources.  However, Putin's rebuilding, china's deal with Rus and Iran, and Putin's insistance that no caspian states help the US take Iran... these are scary moves - desperate moves - that they only did because they feared we'd take 3 or 4 or 5 nations for oil.

and you think putting a "likeable" face on the forefront of our Nation is going to make the China-Russia-Iran complex roll in flower and blow us kisses?

If there's one thing, Bush kept Putin in check. He hates American and you ought to know how the guy got into power in the first place to understand where he's going. He's a very dangerous man. Blackmailed the entire Yeltsin regime and walked his way up. He hates America and simply uses our "unpopularity" to pull the strings....
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 03, 2008, 10:28:09 PM
and you think putting a "likeable" face on the forefront of our Nation is going to make the China-Russia-Iran complex roll in flower and blow us kisses?

If there's one thing, Bush kept Putin in check. He hates American and you ought to know how the guy got into power in the first place to understand where he's going. He's a very dangerous man. Blackmailed the entire Yeltsin regime and walked his way up. He hates America and simply uses our "unpopularity" to pull the strings....

I didn't say I was going to vote for Obama. 

But I do think that "Bring it on" mentality is costing us so many things on so many levels...

It's unnecessary.  "Walk softly an dcarry a big stick" is just as effective.

We have the force but we have lacked dignity and grace as world leaders.  It's basically, "you're with us, or your against us".  If you need proof, look at the coalition of the "willing" that is with us in Iraq now, vs. 1991.  Much smaller group.  Nations don't line up behind us anymore, and that worries me.  Give it full generation of this cycle and the world will see us as tyrants.  That's not good.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Alex23 on January 03, 2008, 10:30:26 PM
I didn't say I was going to vote for Obama. 

But I do think that "Bring it on" mentality is costing us so many things on so many levels...

It's unnecessary.  "Walk softly an dcarry a big stick" is just as effective.

We have the force but we have lacked dignity and grace as world leaders.  It's basically, "you're with us, or your against us".  If you need proof, look at the coalition of the "willing" that is with us in Iraq now, vs. 1991.  Much smaller group.  Nations don't line up behind us anymore, and that worries me.  Give it full generation of this cycle and the world will see us as tyrants.  That's not good.


You think "Obama" would be less of a Tyrant than "Huckabee" ?
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 03, 2008, 10:34:24 PM

You think "Obama" would be less of a Tyrant than "Huckabee" ?

I think neither has much foreign policy experience.  Both would depend upon a wiser veep.

But -

As far as USA PR for the rest of the world, someone perceived as "not like Bush" will help us in every possible category.  I voted for Bush twice, so it's not like I"m hating on him - he did complete his goals in office - but the world needs a gentler face on us, if we intend to maintain longterm relationships in an increasingly global marketplace.  china is a generation away from being a beast.  the arab states are a T3 away from discovering what they're sitting on and stopping shooting each other over words in a book, and using the most valubale resouce on earth. 

Look at the trends.  They are dropping the dollar.  Public opinion polls very low.  Yes, we can have the biggest dick and smack everyone with it... but one by one, they'll stop doing business with us.  Then it doesn't matter how touch we are.  FIrms then nations will stop dealing with US firms, or abandon the dollar.  You can bully yourself into lonliness.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 03, 2008, 10:35:51 PM

You think "Obama" would be less of a Tyrant than "Huckabee" ?

and I dont think either man will likely get the eventual nod.  It's possible... but I sitll think it'll be Romney vs. Hilary in the general.  Who knows though.  I could care less.  I have no clue how I'll vote this time.  They're all pretty similar, and policy will be the close to the same under whoever gets in.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: candidizzle on January 04, 2008, 07:45:16 AM
PRESIDENT OBAMA!


sounds great to me :D
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Dos Equis on January 04, 2008, 09:12:49 AM
PRESIDENT OBAMA!


sounds great to me :D


He has a long way to go to win the primary. 
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 04, 2008, 09:14:59 AM
He has a long way to go to win the primary. 

huh?
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: headhuntersix on January 04, 2008, 09:17:52 AM
I'm sorry but some of u guys are nuts....Obama is an idiot..he has no foreign policy ideas except lets sit down and talk. Our enemies are praying that this guy gets in. In will domestic liberal bullshit and foreign appeasement for 4 years. U think Bush did damage..he's cleaning up for some of Clinton's misteps. Obama is ablack skinned Carter..Carter did more damage in 4 years then Bush or Clinton could do in 10 terms as president. If Hil gets in..no big deal..but this guy..no fucking way.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: benz on January 04, 2008, 09:20:02 AM
Barack osama  ;D
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Dos Equis on January 04, 2008, 09:21:26 AM
I'm sorry but some of u guys are nuts....Obama is an idiot..he has no foreign policy ideas except lets sit down and talk. Our enemies are praying that this guy gets in. In will domestic liberal bullshit and foreign appeasement for 4 years. U think Bush did damage..he's cleaning up for some of Clinton's misteps. Obama is ablack skinned Carter..Carter did more damage in 4 years then Bush or Clinton could do in 10 terms as president. If Hil gets in..no big deal..but this guy..no fucking way.

I have a hard time believing he is a serious threat to be the Democrat nominee.  At this point, I see him finishing third behind Hillary and Edwards when it's all said and done. 

We'll see just how powerful Oprah is.   :-\
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: youandme on January 04, 2008, 09:25:43 AM
Tust me if Obama can win in Iowa, which is 97% white pop, then things are looking good for him :D.  He will bring change to America, look at how bad America is doing now?  Things need to change and Obama is going to be the one who makes those changes

Explain how he will bring change? Since you know geography so well you are sure to enlighten us with your political knowledge...


 
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: headhuntersix on January 04, 2008, 09:30:02 AM
Yeah please do....Beach I hope ur right..I really do. This guy is exactly the wrong dude at this point in history
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: youandme on January 04, 2008, 09:36:43 AM
I have a hard time believing he is a serious threat to be the Democrat nominee.  At this point, I see him finishing third behind Hillary and Edwards when it's all said and done. 

We'll see just how powerful Oprah is.   :-\

Last time I checked buddy power = money

She is also regarded in sociological and psychological circles as a "power asset" and the "epitome of star power" as one Yale psychologist called her in his book, regarding mass psychology.

What is up with this "change" theme?

Another president without a lengthy resume? Another president in bed with major corporations (see Time Warner)
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Dos Equis on January 04, 2008, 09:45:02 AM
Last time I checked buddy power = money

She is also regarded in sociological and psychological circles as a "power asset" and the "epitome of star power" as one Yale psychologist called her in his book, regarding mass psychology.

What is up with this "change" theme?

Another president without a lengthy resume? Another president in bed with major corporations (see Time Warner)


She's definitely one of the most powerful persons in the country.  Anyone who can put a book on the best seller list just by spending about 30 or 45 minutes talking about the book is a major player.  Her astronomical net worth helps too. 

I don't buy the "change" argument from most candidates.  It's pretty much impossible to get elected without huge funding sources and candidates, after they're elected, always put their major donors at the front of the line.  I doubt that ever changes. 
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: candidizzle on January 04, 2008, 10:35:45 AM
I'm sorry but some of u guys are nuts....Obama is an idiot..he has no foreign policy ideas except lets sit down and talk. Our enemies are praying that this guy gets in. In will domestic liberal bullshit and foreign appeasement for 4 years. U think Bush did damage..he's cleaning up for some of Clinton's misteps. Obama is ablack skinned Carter..Carter did more damage in 4 years then Bush or Clinton could do in 10 terms as president. If Hil gets in..no big deal..but this guy..no fucking way.
you are an ignorant schmuck. go watch c-span, msnbc, cnn, and download some you tube videos of different speeches and such... then ceem back and talk about politics.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 04, 2008, 10:43:27 AM
I'm sorry but some of u guys are nuts....Obama is an idiot..he has no foreign policy ideas except lets sit down and talk. Our enemies are praying that this guy gets in. In will domestic liberal bullshit and foreign appeasement for 4 years. U think Bush did damage..he's cleaning up for some of Clinton's misteps. Obama is ablack skinned Carter..Carter did more damage in 4 years then Bush or Clinton could do in 10 terms as president. If Hil gets in..no big deal..but this guy..no fucking way.

I'll ask you a second time, HH6.

What has Obama said he'll do which makes him "dangerous" on foreign policy?
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: candidizzle on January 04, 2008, 10:49:53 AM
I'll ask you a second time, HH6.

What has Obama said he'll do which makes him "dangerous" on foreign policy?
the guy is an ignorant, conservative, simple minded, anti-change, catholic hypocrit(most likely).      a follower who follows those who follow...and is lead by those who know not how to lead. hes a closed minded douchebag!

thats why he thinks obama is dangerous on foreign policy.

and also; hes most likely and intolerant racist.

oh; and probably and exterior homophobe interior closet case.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 04, 2008, 10:59:30 AM
Cand, I'll give HH6 a chance to defned his repeated statement that Obama is "dangerous".

if he's just repeating what he's heard on talk radio, that will be clear.
IF he gives us a nice list of things Obama has said he'll do, which are dangerous, I'll agree with him.

I'd like to hear his response.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Dos Equis on January 04, 2008, 11:19:35 AM
the guy is an ignorant, conservative, simple minded, anti-change, catholic hypocrit(most likely).      a follower who follows those who follow...and is lead by those who know not how to lead. hes a closed minded douchebag!

thats why he thinks obama is dangerous on foreign policy.

and also; hes most likely and intolerant racist.

oh; and probably and exterior homophobe interior closet case.

No he isn't.  He's one of the smartest guys on the board.  He's a major in the Army, has been to combat, traveled to different parts of the world.  He knows what he's talking about. 
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 04, 2008, 12:26:50 PM
No he isn't.  He's one of the smartest guys on the board.  He's a major in the Army, has been to combat, traveled to different parts of the world.  He knows what he's talking about. 

yeah, and youre a college professor who admitted you dropped out of high school.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: headhuntersix on January 04, 2008, 01:56:28 PM
Candizzel or whatever..aren't u in highschool or used to be a fat kid or whatever....ur wayyyyy over ur heard so go play in some traffic. 240 I will define or explain what i mean. I don't care what his domestic policy is..it will be some useless liberal bullshit that all the dems will probably follow. I don't thinbk the guy can do to much damage in 4 years domestically. As far as his foreign policy...

Willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Kim Jung Il & Hugo Chavez
Q: In July, you were asked if you were willing to meet separately without pre-condition during your first year with Fidel Castro, Kim Jung Il, Hugo Chavez. You said yes. You stand by that?
A: I do. Now, I did not say that I would be meeting with all of them. I said I'd be willing to. Obviously, there is a difference between pre-conditions and preparation. Pre-conditions, which was what the question was in that debate, means that we won't meet with people unless they've already agreed to the very things that we expect to be meeting with them about. And obviously, when we say to Iran, "We won't meet with you until you've agreed to all the terms that we've laid out," from their perspective that's not a negotiation, that's not a meeting.

There is no talking to any of these people. Castro will be dead and we'll have a new vacation spot soon, let him die..don't meddle..don't do anything and we'll get what we want. His regime is amajor Human rights violator..don't legitimize him. Don't spit on 40 plus years of American foreign policy. NK...Clinton tried that. King Jung Ill is full of shit. U want to control him..deal with China instead. He can't feed his own people. I've been to South Korea several times..they don't trust him despiet their new sunshine policy. Let the South take the lead. Chavez will strangle himself..let him rant all he wants.


Invest in our relationship with Mexico
Making sure that we are investing in our relationship with Mexico so that people in Mexico feel as if they can raise a family and have a good life on the other side of the border is going to be critical; making certain that we have strong border security is important; a pathway to citizenship is something that I've been committed to since I came to the US Senate.
Source: 2007 Democratic primary debate on Univision in Spanish Sep 9, 2007


All bullshit for the media

Strengthen NATO to face 21st-century threats
Barack Obama will restore America's leadership abroad, reform and enhance international organizations and strengthen our alliances. He will strengthen NATO to face 21st-century threats, forge a new and lasting framework for collective security in Asia, and work with other countries around the world to combat global climate change.


Yeah....

Nato is an obsolete concept. they won't fight in Afghanistan and are only good for peacekeeping. I don't include the Commonwealth nations..they are kicking ass over there. Several former eastern block countries are doing well.

This is some of his idiocy but I will post more.

Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: headhuntersix on January 04, 2008, 02:05:32 PM
the guy is an ignorant, conservative, simple minded, anti-change, catholic hypocrit(most likely).      a follower who follows those who follow...and is lead by those who know not how to lead. hes a closed minded douchebag!

thats why he thinks obama is dangerous on foreign policy.

and also; hes most likely and intolerant racist.

oh; and probably and exterior homophobe interior closet case.

While I should'nt stoop to ur ignorant namecalling..I think i should

Ok pimpleface...Yep I'm a catholic..so what. Haven't set foot inside a church in years. What don't like catholics..whats that make u..oh yeah ignorant..moron.. ::)
next... intolerant..look u idiot. I've actually been to all those countries u see on the news..so if I post on something here its generally because it comes from real experiance..not from surfing the net.   As far as being led by people etc etc etc..what are u talking about...I don't care what color Obama is...he can be purple for all i care...stop apologizing for being white dumbass. He's an idiot and a phony and would be a disaster as president.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 04, 2008, 02:30:39 PM
the mex relationship is a non-issue.  I't sgoing to happen.

as far as the others, you make good points - but DANGEROUS?

Building up NATO = dangerous?
Negotiating with enemies instead of massing troops at their boarders is how every prez until Bush did it.... or you do both.  but to ignore nations that beg to talk... that's asinine... we talked to the russians for 40 years during the cold war, remember?
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: headhuntersix on January 04, 2008, 02:40:27 PM
They are not begging to talk....he's playing politics...non of these ideas are new. I will post more stuff here ina bit. You dismissed the mexican thing  because its not going to happen..I'm saying the same thing for all his other ideas. NATO is not playing ball because they can't or won't. They are incapable...these are all soundbites..with no substance.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: headhuntersix on January 04, 2008, 03:12:55 PM
Would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea?
OBAMA: I would. And the reason is this: the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them--which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration--is ridiculous. Ronald Reagan constantly spoke to Soviet Union at a time when he called them an evil empire. He understood that we may not trust them and they may pose an extraordinary danger to this country, but we had the obligation to find areas where we can potentially move forward. And I think that it is a disgrace that we have not spoken to them.

CLINTON: I will not promise to meet with the leaders of these countries during my first year. I don't want to be used for propaganda purposes. I don't want to make a situation even worse. But I certainly agree that we need to get back to diplomacy.

Source: 2007 YouTube Democratic Primary debate, Charleston SC Jul 23, 2007

No-fly zone in Darfur; but pay attention more in Africa
Q: Darfur is the second time that our nation has had a chance to do something about genocide in Africa. The first came in Rwanda in 1994, when we did nothing.

OBAMA: The no-fly zone is important. Having the protective force is critical. But we have to look at Africa not just after a crisis happens; what are we doing with respect to trade opportunities with Africa? What are we doing in terms of investment in Africa? What are we doing to pay attention to Africa consistently with respect to our foreign policy? That has been what's missing in the White House. Our long-term security is going to depend on whether we're giving children in Sudan and Zimbabwe and in Kenya the same opportunities so that they have a stake in order as opposed to violence and chaos.


No fly zone..yeah much like Clinton's no fly zone..besides what the hell does that do..more bullshit. No fly zone..sounds good..nice buzzword..he's an diot.


Palestinian people suffer-but from not recognizing Israel
Q: You said recently, "No one is suffering more than the Palestinian people." Do you stand by that remark?
A: Well, keep in mind what the remark actually, if you had the whole thing, said. And what I said is nobody has suffered more than the Palestinian people from the failure of the Palestinian leadership to recognize Israel, to renounce violence, and to get serious about negotiating peace and security for the region. Israel is the linchpin of much of our efforts in the Middle East.

Source: 2007 South Carolina Democratic primary debate, on MSNBC Apr 26, 2007

FactCheck: Palestinian suffering from stalled peace effort
Obama defended his remark that "nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people," a statement attacked by some pro-Israel activists. His version differed in tone if not in substance from the way it was originally reported, however. Obama claimed in the debate that he meant "the Palestinian people from the failure of the Palestinian leadership to recognize , to renounce violence, and to get serious about negotiating peace and security for the region." That's somewhat different from the way Obama was quoted March 12. As reported, Obama attributed Palestinian suffering to "the stalled peace efforts with Israel" and not so narrowly to failures by Palestinian leadership only...

He has no clue..he's reading from que cards. I have all his positions on everything..this guy is a puppet. If he wasn't black nobody would care. His domestic stuff is inline with nay liberal democrate..for the most part. Some of his stuff is ok..but I really don't worry about the domestic stuff as much.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: youandme on January 04, 2008, 03:31:18 PM
the mex relationship is a non-issue.  I't sgoing to happen.

as far as the others, you make good points - but DANGEROUS?

Building up NATO = dangerous?
Negotiating with enemies instead of massing troops at their boarders is how every prez until Bush did it.... or you do both.  but to ignore nations that beg to talk... that's asinine... we talked to the russians for 40 years during the cold war, remember?

Yes dangerous. Go back in time to Reagan (muslim extremist hate the man and to this day wallow in self pity) he knew you had to show muscle when dealing with the enemy "every battle is won before it begins in the show that precedes"

NATO = Soory excuse for handing over our welfare to people without our best interest in mind, you know that to be true, I've seen you post this exact thing before.

The nations don't beg to talk bro, it's called a mirror image hypocrisy....of war, they see themselves as saviors and we as villians they want to tell not talk BIG DIFFERENCE.

Main Point here: Obama wants to carry the chalice around like it's just a cup, being president comes with power and that power is vested in it's force of show not negotiate for second best and wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 04, 2008, 03:33:17 PM
obama's advisers will straighten out any silly positions.  we know this.  presidents dont just make decisions.  they are given options by more experienced minds and they choose one.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: headhuntersix on January 04, 2008, 04:16:59 PM
Dude..I would agree but..this guy acts likea rock star and I'm not sure who he will attract to his team. Plus..if u dig, he's been associated with a fairly racist Black church.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: headhuntersix on January 04, 2008, 04:38:17 PM
When asked how we would respond to another major al-Qaeda attack on the U.S., he talked about disaster response instead of military action.
Last May, in the wake of the deadly Kansas tornado, Obama said "Ten thousand people died - an entire town destroyed". The death toll was actually 12 people.
Obama stated that he would meet with enemy dictators - without any preconditions.
Not long after, he said "if we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharaf will not act, we will." With allies like Obama, who needs enemies?
He then declared that the use of nuclear weapons against al-Qaeda were "not on the table."
Obama just last week referred to the 'president' of Canada. Canada has a prime minister, not a president.
"We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there."

He's an idiot....
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 04, 2008, 04:44:46 PM
Bush let 911 happen.
Rumsfeld gave WMD to Saddam in 1979 to test.
Obama voted AGAINST the war in Iraq.

Are you sure you want to label Obama the terrorist here?
Obama wrote an opinion against going to war with Iraq, not voted,... just to set the record straight.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Hedgehog on January 04, 2008, 04:54:06 PM
Candizzel or whatever..aren't u in highschool or used to be a fat kid or whatever....ur wayyyyy over ur heard so go play in some traffic.

No offence, but what's with the personal attack on candizzle?

How about cutting the young lad some slack, and be happy about the fact that at least a few teens are interested in the future politics? 8)

He may or may not be dumb, but at least he's taking part in a political discussion. How many of guys his age does that?

JMO.

As far as the Caucus result: This may have been pointed out already, but from what I gather, the big news here was that Edwards was able to sneak into 2nd place.

He had to do well in Iowa, and he did, IMO even better than what could've been expected.

Depending on New Hampshire, could stage an upset.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: headhuntersix on January 04, 2008, 05:04:09 PM
Please re-read his posts..I won't have some been nowhere-done nothing kid attack me because I don't like Obama..he attacked me and forgive me for stooping to his level but I was board. "So Dad,  candadizzel hit me first"... :D
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Hedgehog on January 04, 2008, 05:28:50 PM
Please re-read his posts..I won't have some been nowhere-done nothing kid attack me because I don't like Obama..he attacked me and forgive me for stooping to his level but I was board. "So Dad,  candadizzel hit me first"... :D

That true neeega.






candizzle you little fat fcuk crack whore. Take your shit elsewhere until you can play ball. ;D
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Deicide on January 04, 2008, 05:31:15 PM
the guy is an ignorant, conservative, simple minded, anti-change, catholic hypocrit(most likely).      a follower who follows those who follow...and is lead by those who know not how to lead. hes a closed minded douchebag!

thats why he thinks obama is dangerous on foreign policy.

and also; hes most likely and intolerant racist.

oh; and probably and exterior homophobe interior closet case.

Wow, you really are delusional, aren't you?
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: headhuntersix on January 04, 2008, 05:32:13 PM
Ur a funny guy... ;)
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Deicide on January 04, 2008, 05:42:42 PM
Ur a funny guy... ;)

Is this addressed to me? If so, yes, I am a man of infinite jest and graceful, boundless humour.  ;D
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: headhuntersix on January 04, 2008, 07:35:43 PM
Yes.... :D
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Deicide on January 04, 2008, 07:46:55 PM
Yes.... :D

Yes, my wit knows few rivals.... ;D
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 05, 2008, 12:42:15 AM
Dude..I would agree but..this guy acts likea rock star and I'm not sure who he will attract to his team. Plus..if u dig, he's been associated with a fairly racist Black church.

No matter if he thinks he's Elvis.

The people that have run our country for the last 50 eyars would quickly smack him to reality.

Obama would make sensible decisions for the longterm growth of our country and growth in global influence.  As would Huck.  As would Paul.

You say things to get elected.  But once you're in, you make a selection from realistic options given to you by smarter and more experienced people.  President is a good cheerleader for USA in the world, but come on... no man/woman would have the braing/experience to control it all.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 24KT on January 05, 2008, 01:31:14 AM
i'm tickled pink sweet crude is over 100 dollars a barrel

me too  ;D
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Hedgehog on January 05, 2008, 03:40:53 AM
No matter if he thinks he's Elvis.

The people that have run our country for the last 50 eyars would quickly smack him to reality.

Obama would make sensible decisions for the longterm growth of our country and growth in global influence.  As would Huck.  As would Paul.

You say things to get elected.  But once you're in, you make a selection from realistic options given to you by smarter and more experienced people.  President is a good cheerleader for USA in the world, but come on... no man/woman would have the braing/experience to control it all.

I feel strongly against Hillary Clinton for her tight connections to the big corporations. She's in their pockets.

Why hasn't she been more vocal about getting out of Iraq? Because the military industry is up her ass so far it ain't even funny.

Obama or Edwards, they would both make decent candidates/presidents. Realistically, the chances of Obama getting elected are slim.

Looking at the GOP side, at least there's no Bob Dole. ::)
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Tre on January 05, 2008, 04:18:03 AM
He hates America and simply uses our "unpopularity" to pull the strings....

Wouldn't you?

Trust me, when we take the high road, the majority of the free world will support us. 
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2008, 08:17:10 AM
Wouldn't you?

Trust me, when we take the high road, the majority of the free world will support us. 

What's the high road?
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: youandme on January 05, 2008, 08:21:30 AM
Oh well he won Iowa  ::) Jesse Jackson won 13 primaries and caucuses in 88 and Reagan lost Iowa and won by a landslide.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2008, 08:28:46 AM
Oh well he won Iowa  ::) Jesse Jackson won 13 primaries and caucuses in 88 and Reagan lost Iowa and won by a landslide.

Good point.  Pat Buchannan and Paul Tsongas both won New Hampshire.  Howard Dean was a Democrat frontrunner.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: youandme on January 05, 2008, 08:41:13 AM
Howard Dean

Ahh yeah forgot about that guy.

I really liked Edwards speech that night in Iowa. Hillary gave a loser speech, and it was very lackluster without a clear picture of purpose. Obama, changed his draw with his voice too much and sounded like a preacher trying to mimic a great orator, but it did not deliver and his camp or himself made a bad decision to appear that away.

Anyone notice Edwards make up malfunction? Spray on tan but he wore big goggles.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: 240 is Back on January 05, 2008, 09:26:01 AM
camp hilary has been 'down' in the week before iowa and since.

many are starting to say the momentum is gone.

will it be edwards?  he'd have the best chance in the general.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Cromespyder on January 05, 2008, 03:09:13 PM
Bush let 911 happen.
Rumsfeld gave WMD to Saddam in 1979 to test.
Obama voted AGAINST the war in Iraq.

Are you sure you want to label Obama the terrorist here?
correct me if im wrong, but i dont belive obama was even in the senate before november 2004.  meaning he couldnt vote for, or against, the iraq war.  for obvious reason.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Tre on January 05, 2008, 03:25:41 PM
What's the high road?

Placing active diplomacy before naked aggression.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Tre on January 05, 2008, 03:26:42 PM
Oh well he won Iowa  ::) Jesse Jackson won 13 primaries and caucuses in 88 and Reagan lost Iowa and won by a landslide.

Pre-YouTube...
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Tre on January 05, 2008, 03:27:53 PM
Hillary gave a loser speech, and it was very lackluster without a clear picture of purpose.

That's because she feels invincible heading into New Hampshire.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Dos Equis on January 05, 2008, 04:55:23 PM
Placing active diplomacy before naked aggression.

We almost always use diplomacy first.  Sometimes force is necessary.
Title: Re: Barack Obama wins Iowa Caucuses!
Post by: Deicide on January 05, 2008, 05:25:25 PM
Ron Paul or Bust!