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Title: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: The Squadfather on January 08, 2008, 01:06:29 PM
Israel attacking whoever it wants with impunity and good 'ol Dubya is concerned about whether Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens used steroids, what a fuccking joke.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: danielson on January 08, 2008, 01:08:49 PM
New Orleans needed a good cleansing. The whole town smelled like shit.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: _bruce_ on January 08, 2008, 01:16:12 PM
That's the way the world works - one just can hope that it works in ones favor.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: sgt. d on January 08, 2008, 01:16:55 PM
New Orleans needed a good cleansing. The whole town smelled like shit.

I hope youre joking
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: The Squadfather on January 08, 2008, 01:17:27 PM
That's the way the world works - one just can hope that it works in ones favor.
people like you are the reason this moron was elected not once BUT TWICE, Americans are fools.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: danielson on January 08, 2008, 01:20:55 PM
I hope youre joking

No, the town did smell like shit. I went to Mardis Gras once. I am not saying I think anyone deserved to die though.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: 240 is Back on January 08, 2008, 01:23:47 PM
If there was oil in the French Quarter, things would be different hahahahaha hahahaha
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on January 08, 2008, 01:24:38 PM
Oh say can you see, this country is fucked! Uday Hussein would have been a better president than W.  Fucking oil and Jew whore
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: The Squadfather on January 08, 2008, 01:25:03 PM
If there was oil in the French Quarter, things would be different hahahahaha hahahaha
damn right.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on January 08, 2008, 01:25:12 PM
If there was oil in the French Quarter, things would be different hahahahaha hahahaha

or if more Jews lived there.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: danielson on January 08, 2008, 01:25:58 PM
or if more Jews lived there.

They would have been able to afford a buspass to get the fuck out of town.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: The Master on January 08, 2008, 01:26:06 PM
USA will be around for a long time.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: The Squadfather on January 08, 2008, 01:26:19 PM
or if more Jews lived there.
if you had Jews in New Orleans the streets would be so clean that you could eat off of them.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on January 08, 2008, 01:27:43 PM
if you had Jews in New Orleans the streets would be so clean that you could eat off of them.

George Bush don't care about black peeples
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: phyxsius on January 08, 2008, 01:30:59 PM
George Bush don't care about black peeples

damn.. you beat me to it
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: The Squadfather on January 08, 2008, 01:31:31 PM
come on now guys don't concern yourself with Israeli "soldiers" bulldozing Palestinian settlements and killing people with US supplied tanks, helicopters and weapons...American Idol will be on next week, Britney Spears was just taken to the hospital and Roger Clemens is on those nasty steeeeeeroids. ::)
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: TOMCAT on January 08, 2008, 01:35:36 PM
come on now guys don't concern yourself with Israeli "soldiers" bulldozing Palestinian settlements and killing people with US supplied tanks, helicopters and weapons...American Idol will be on next week, Britney Spears was just taken to the hospital and Roger Clemens is on those nasty steeeeeeroids. ::)
also Dr.Phill is counseling Britney after her last public breakdown
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Mars on January 08, 2008, 01:38:13 PM
come on now guys don't concern yourself with Israeli "soldiers" bulldozing Palestinian settlements and killing people with US supplied tanks, helicopters and weapons...American Idol will be on next week, Britney Spears was just taken to the hospital and Roger Clemens is on those nasty steeeeeeroids. ::)

Haha so true, they want the american public to stop thinking and i think they do a very good job at it.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: GigantorX on January 08, 2008, 02:12:27 PM
Israel attacking whoever it wants with impunity and good 'ol Dubya is concerned about whether Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens used steroids, what a fuccking joke.

Wow, I'm shocked you think this way. ::)

Well, you have an incredibly corrupt, inefficient (School bus Ray Nagan?) and welfare ridden state such as Louisiana, headed by a man that was elected because because he was black. A police force that was ill trained and filled with political hirings and a population that was mired in poverty and so hooked on the governments welfare as to keep them voting for the same idiots that did nothing for them but hand them a govt. check every month, these welfare slaves didn't even know how to do anything for themselves. We have dumped over 130 billion dollars plus countless $$$ in public contributions and what has it solved? Nothing. The debit cards we handed these "people" were spent on TV's, beer and strip clubs...wow. Somewhere along the line people have to be able to take care of themselves to some extent and not look to the govt. to take care of every single thing. Other states got fucking hammered by Katrina too, and they seem to be rebuilding just fine without bitching and crying that no one is shoveling billions of taxpayer dollars unto their front porch.

Oh, and I think it's funny that you leave out the whole Arab terrorist campaign that has been waged on Israel since its creation and more specifically since after the 3 invasions by its neighbors that aimed to finish what the Nazis tried in WWII. You also surprisingly leave out the suicide bombers, Qaussom rockets that are STILL being fired from Gaza and Lebanon violating countless cease-fires. Yes, it's the Jews fault....always the Jews fault.

Oh, and Israel deploys the Merkava MBT not an M60 or M1 Abrams, they also build their own Assault Rifles as well. ;D
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Bobby on January 08, 2008, 02:23:10 PM
come on now guys don't concern yourself with Israeli "soldiers" bulldozing Palestinian settlements and killing people with US supplied tanks, helicopters and weapons...American Idol will be on next week, Britney Spears was just taken to the hospital and Roger Clemens is on those nasty steeeeeeroids. ::)

that sums it up pretty damn good!
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: FinnPilot on January 08, 2008, 02:26:34 PM
George Bush don't care about black peeples
???
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: no one on January 08, 2008, 02:26:47 PM
hey, Fatman- you are off on your assertation that Israel is the biggest terrorist nation on earth.

that distinction belongs to the U.S.A.

congratulations.



Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Tre on January 08, 2008, 02:30:02 PM
...good 'ol Dubya is concerned about whether Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens used steroids, what a fuccking joke.

Nailed it.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: The Squadfather on January 08, 2008, 02:34:29 PM
Wow, I'm shocked you think this way. ::)

Well, you have an incredibly corrupt, inefficient (School bus Ray Nagan?) and welfare ridden state such as Louisiana, headed by a man that was elected because because he was black. A police force that was ill trained and filled with political hirings and a population that was mired in poverty and so hooked on the governments welfare as to keep them voting for the same idiots that did nothing for them but hand them a govt. check every month, these welfare slaves didn't even know how to do anything for themselves. We have dumped over 130 billion dollars plus countless $$$ in public contributions and what has it solved? Nothing. The debit cards we handed these "people" were spent on TV's, beer and strip clubs...wow. Somewhere along the line people have to be able to take care of themselves to some extent and not look to the govt. to take care of every single thing. Other states got fucking hammered by Katrina too, and they seem to be rebuilding just fine without bitching and crying that no one is shoveling billions of taxpayer dollars unto their front porch.

Oh, and I think it's funny that you leave out the whole Arab terrorist campaign that has been waged on Israel since its creation and more specifically since after the 3 invasions by its neighbors that aimed to finish what the Nazis tried in WWII. You also surprisingly leave out the suicide bombers, Qaussom rockets that are STILL being fired from Gaza and Lebanon violating countless cease-fires. Yes, it's the Jews fault....always the Jews fault.

Oh, and Israel deploys the Merkava MBT not an M60 or M1 Abrams, they also build their own Assault Rifles as well. ;D

hahahaha, ok Sean Hannity. :D
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Bobby on January 08, 2008, 02:36:22 PM
Wow, I'm shocked you think this way. ::)

Well, you have an incredibly corrupt, inefficient (School bus Ray Nagan?) and welfare ridden state such as Louisiana, headed by a man that was elected because because he was black. A police force that was ill trained and filled with political hirings and a population that was mired in poverty and so hooked on the governments welfare as to keep them voting for the same idiots that did nothing for them but hand them a govt. check every month, these welfare slaves didn't even know how to do anything for themselves. We have dumped over 130 billion dollars plus countless $$$ in public contributions and what has it solved? Nothing. The debit cards we handed these "people" were spent on TV's, beer and strip clubs...wow. Somewhere along the line people have to be able to take care of themselves to some extent and not look to the govt. to take care of every single thing. Other states got fucking hammered by Katrina too, and they seem to be rebuilding just fine without bitching and crying that no one is shoveling billions of taxpayer dollars unto their front porch.

Oh, and I think it's funny that you leave out the whole Arab terrorist campaign that has been waged on Israel since its creation and more specifically since after the 3 invasions by its neighbors that aimed to finish what the Nazis tried in WWII. You also surprisingly leave out the suicide bombers, Qaussom rockets that are STILL being fired from Gaza and Lebanon violating countless cease-fires. Yes, it's the Jews fault....always the Jews fault.

Oh, and Israel deploys the Merkava MBT not an M60 or M1 Abrams, they also build their own Assault Rifles as well. ;D


hi israel
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: GigantorX on January 08, 2008, 02:41:27 PM
hi israel

Hello intellectually lazy.  ::)

Fine, I'll fall in line:  Dumbya is tha stupidizzz!!11!!! The peoplezz' of Louisana and theyre state and local government bear no responsibility for taking care of themselves111"!"!!"!"
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Darren Avey on January 08, 2008, 03:29:36 PM
Who do you guys want as your next pres?
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: The Squadfather on January 08, 2008, 03:32:53 PM
Who do you guys want as your next pres?
doesn't matter, at this point we're so fuccking entrenched in this shit in Iraq and then eventually Iran that we're gonna be stuck in the quagmire for another two decades and it doesn't matter who takes the Oval Office it won't change.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: GigantorX on January 08, 2008, 03:37:02 PM
doesn't matter, at this point we're so fuccking entrenched in this shit in Iraq and then eventually Iran that we're gonna be stuck in the quagmire for another two decades and it doesn't matter who takes the Oval Office it won't change.

Epic pessimism.  :o
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: The Squadfather on January 08, 2008, 03:38:42 PM
Epic pessimism.  :o
give us all an answer then, do we just withdraw troops the second Romney, Huckabee, Clinton or Guiliani takes office? that would be a fuccking mess.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: danielson on January 08, 2008, 03:42:47 PM
give us all an answer then, do we just withdraw troops the second Romney, Huckabee, Clinton or Guiliani takes office? that would be a fuccking mess.

I don't think Clinton had a shot anymore. No one wants a crybaby president. Can you imagine if Barack lost the Iowa caucus and started crying saying " oh lawdy, lawdy, what is I gonna do now?" Being a woman doesn't give her the right to cry on the campaign trail.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: columbusdude82 on January 08, 2008, 03:43:51 PM
Squadfather, would you agree with me that the neocons' theories about democracy and freedom being universal values applicable to the Middle East are BS, and that some people just deserve to live under dictators?
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: The Squadfather on January 08, 2008, 03:46:20 PM
I don't think Clinton had a shot anymore. No one wants a crybaby president. Can you imagine if Barack lost the Iowa caucus and started crying saying " oh lawdy, lawdy, what is I gonna do now?" Being a woman doesn't give her the right to cry on the campaign trail.
i agree, but the biggest mistake people could make is to underestimate her and Billy Boy, they are a political machine.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: danielson on January 08, 2008, 03:47:50 PM
i agree, but the biggest mistake people could make is to underestimate her and Billy Boy, they are a political machine.

True, but she peaked too early. I watched The View this morning so I know this stuff now. ;D Even the broads on that show were saying they wouldn't vote for the crybaby now.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: GigantorX on January 08, 2008, 04:01:22 PM
Squadfather, would you agree with me that the neocons' theories about democracy and freedom being universal values applicable to the Middle East are BS, and that some people just deserve to live under dictators?

No-one "deserves" to live under dictators my friend. But the culture and religious "rule set" that dominates that region lends itself to harsh rule that keeps the populace angry, ignorant and desperate. Ask yourself this: how much has the Arab culture really advanced over the last 50 years, or hell, the last 500 years? Not much. The rulers of these countries are more concerned with personal power/ego and wealth than the actual well being of their citizens. The Middle East is a disconnected part of the world. You cannot eliminate terrorism by force of arms alone. If force is used, it should be the weapon that blows the door open and lets in investment, ideas etc etc thus linking these parts of the world with ours. At least that's the idea....
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: columbusdude82 on January 08, 2008, 04:03:33 PM
Gig, you miss the point. The USA did the Iraqis an UNTHINKABLE favor, it stepped in and deposed a brutal dictator. The Iraqis had a golden chance to improve their affairs.

Instead, they descended into murderous civil war over a 1400 year old dispute about how should have succeeded the prophet Muhammad (turds be upon him).
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Big_Tymer on January 08, 2008, 04:15:36 PM
we need a meteor to fly in from space and nail the middle east.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: GigantorX on January 08, 2008, 04:16:19 PM
Gig, you miss the point. The USA did the Iraqis an UNTHINKABLE favor, it stepped in and deposed a brutal dictator. The Iraqis had a golden chance to improve their affairs.

Instead, they descended into murderous civil war over a 1400 year old dispute about how should have succeeded the prophet Muhammad (turds be upon him).

Well, you actually answered my question: 1400 dispute/ civil war between Sunni and Shiite (whahabi's hate everyone/thing). How does it go on for so long and be so bloody? The "dispute" is propagated for all this time by the religious, tribal, ethnic leaders to keep their "people" ignorant and angry, a dangerous combination. Arabs in the M.E. live in absolute squaller in oil rich countries, yet they don't care. The rulers have kept them focused on hating the West and the Jews and very unconcerned with their own. It's a fabulous pressure release valve.

So, when you have a brutal dictator deposed and the farce is finally shattered it is probably quite hard to come to grips with it as a nation and get their act together. They still have generations of this ignorance drowning them. True education, connectedness with the outside world etc etc will help to erase that in the years ahead. But it will take a lot of years. If I still am missing your point, well, fuck you  :'(

Also, there is a great book called "The Haj" by Leon Uris which does a great job illustrating a lot of this.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: The Squadfather on January 08, 2008, 04:18:37 PM
True, but she peaked too early. I watched The View this morning so I know this stuff now. ;D Even the broads on that show were saying they wouldn't vote for the crybaby now.
they're in love with Obama right now like a lot of people are after Iowa but when he faces some tough questioning he'll crumble, too young and inexperienced.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: GigantorX on January 08, 2008, 04:23:43 PM
Very true. Although he is a really good speaker and very optimistic. ::) I keep trying to remind people that he was JUST elected to the Senate! Where he hasn't done a single thing. Hell, his record in the Illinois State Legislature is even more unimpressive. Add that to the fact that he really hasn't stated any SOLID policy objectives and he looks even more weak. But the man sure can speak.

Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: dr.chimps on January 08, 2008, 04:31:55 PM
Well, you actually answered my question: 1400 dispute/ civil war between Sunni and Shiite (whahabi's hate everyone/thing). How does it go on for so long and be so bloody? The "dispute" is propagated for all this time by the religious, tribal, ethnic leaders to keep their "people" ignorant and angry, a dangerous combination. Arabs in the M.E. live in absolute squaller in oil rich countries, yet they don't care. The rulers have kept them focused on hating the West and the Jews and very unconcerned with their own. It's a fabulous pressure release valve.

So, when you have a brutal dictator deposed and the farce is finally shattered it is probably quite hard to come to grips with it as a nation and get their act together. They still have generations of this ignorance drowning them. True education, connectedness with the outside world etc etc will help to erase that in the years ahead. But it will take a lot of years. If I still am missing your point, well, fuck you  :'(

Also, there is a great book called "The Haj" by Leon Uris which does a great job illustrating a lot of this.
You let me know when Israel deals properly with the settlers and the Ultra-Orthodox who keep fucking up the country and then we'll talk turkey. k? 

/your point about about surrounding arabs and those in occupied territories is spot-on tho
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: tommywishbone on January 08, 2008, 04:33:04 PM
If there was oil in the French Quarter, things would be different hahahahaha hahahaha

 ;D  Word to your Mother on that!
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: GigantorX on January 08, 2008, 04:41:43 PM
You let me know when Israel deals properly with the settlers and the Ultra-Orthodox who keep fucking up the country and then we'll talk turkey. k? 

/your point about about surrounding arabs and those in occupied territories is spot-on tho

Well, it's going to be a while until we get to talk turkey then my friend.

 
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;D  Word to your Mother on that!

I get your point but isn't Louisiana home to many large commercial shipping and large refineries/oil storage facilities and pipelines?
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: G o a t b o y on January 08, 2008, 04:53:49 PM
If there was oil in the French Quarter, things would be different hahahahaha hahahaha


There is...  about 100 miles due south.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: no one on January 08, 2008, 04:56:50 PM
they're in love with Obama right now like a lot of people are after Iowa but when he faces some tough questioning he'll crumble, too young and inexperienced.

hi hillary.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: 240 is Back on January 08, 2008, 04:59:16 PM

There is...  about 100 miles due south.

In the Gulf Of WeOnlyDrillHereOnceWeUse UpAllOfTheSaudi,Iraqi,Venezuelan,CanadianAndAlaskanOil?
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: SteelePegasus on January 08, 2008, 05:10:26 PM
Israel attacking whoever it wants with impunity and good 'ol Dubya is concerned about whether Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens used steroids, what a fuccking joke.

this is crazy!!!

Since 1992, the U.S. has offered Israel an additional $2 billion annually in loan guarantees. Congressional researchers have disclosed that between 1974 and 1989, $16.4 billion in U.S. military loans were converted to grants and that this was the understanding from the beginning. Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress, which has undoubtedly helped Israel's often-touted claim that they have never defaulted on a U.S. government loan. U.S. policy since 1984 has been that economic assistance to Israel must equal or exceed Israel's annual debt repayment to the United States. Unlike other countries, which receive aid in quarterly installments, aid to Israel since 1982 has been given in a lump sum at the beginning of the fiscal year, leaving the U.S. government to borrow from future revenues. Israel even lends some of this money back through U.S. treasury bills and collects the additional interest.

In addition, there is the more than $1.5 billion in private U.S. funds that go to Israel annually in the form of $1 billion in private tax-deductible donations and $500 million in Israeli bonds. The ability of Americans to make what amounts to tax-deductible contributions to a foreign government, made possible through a number of Jewish charities, does not exist with any other country. Nor do these figures include short- and long-term commercial loans from U.S. banks, which have been as high as $1 billion annually in recent years.

Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. Indeed, Israel's GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza. With a per capita income of about $14,000, Israel ranks as the sixteenth wealthiest country in the world; Israelis enjoy a higher per capita income than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and are only slightly less well-off than most Western European countries.

AID does not term economic aid to Israel as development assistance, but instead uses the term "economic support funding." Given Israel's relative prosperity, U.S. aid to Israel is becoming increasingly controversial. In 1994, Yossi Beilen, deputy foreign minister of Israel and a Knesset member, told the Women's International Zionist organization, "If our economic situation is better than in many of your countries, how can we go on asking for your charity?"
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: SteelePegasus on January 08, 2008, 05:11:36 PM
Most Americans are not aware how much of their tax revenue our government sends to Israel. For the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, the U.S. has given Israel $6.72 billion: $6.194 billion falls under Israel's foreign aid allotment and $526 million comes from agencies such as the Department of Commerce, the U.S. Information Agency and the Pentagon. The $6.72 billion figure does not include loan guarantees and annual compound interest totalling $3.122 billion the U.S. pays on money borrowed to give to Israel. It does not include the cost to U.S. taxpayers of IRS tax exemptions that donors can claim when they donate money to Israeli charities. (Donors claim approximately $1 billion in Federal tax deductions annually. This ultimately costs other U.S. tax payers $280 million to $390 million.)

When grant, loans, interest and tax deductions are added together for the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, our special relationship with Israel cost U.S. taxpayers over $10 billion.

Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen.
I am angry when I see Israeli settlers from Hebron destroy improvements made to Shuhada Street with my tax money. Also, it angers me that my government is giving over $10 billion to a country that is more prosperous than most of the other countries in the world and uses much of its money for strengthening its military and the oppression of the Palestinian people.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: SteelePegasus on January 08, 2008, 05:13:32 PM
most Americans aren't even aware of that shit
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: technokc on January 08, 2008, 05:14:11 PM
THIS THREAD IS WAY TO INTELLECTUAL FOR GETBIG!!!!!!

Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Bast000 on January 08, 2008, 05:22:01 PM
Republicans should be enslaved until they work off the 9 trillion dollar deficit. Then when they're done they should shoot themselves in the head.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Camel Jockey on January 08, 2008, 05:23:40 PM
Most Americans are not aware how much of their tax revenue our government sends to Israel. For the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, the U.S. has given Israel $6.72 billion: $6.194 billion falls under Israel's foreign aid allotment and $526 million comes from agencies such as the Department of Commerce, the U.S. Information Agency and the Pentagon. The $6.72 billion figure does not include loan guarantees and annual compound interest totalling $3.122 billion the U.S. pays on money borrowed to give to Israel. It does not include the cost to U.S. taxpayers of IRS tax exemptions that donors can claim when they donate money to Israeli charities. (Donors claim approximately $1 billion in Federal tax deductions annually. This ultimately costs other U.S. tax payers $280 million to $390 million.)

When grant, loans, interest and tax deductions are added together for the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, our special relationship with Israel cost U.S. taxpayers over $10 billion.

Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen.
I am angry when I see Israeli settlers from Hebron destroy improvements made to Shuhada Street with my tax money. Also, it angers me that my government is giving over $10 billion to a country that is more prosperous than most of the other countries in the world and uses much of its money for strengthening its military and the oppression of the Palestinian people.


Steele, you'll just be labled liberal or something.. I mean not like facts mean anything.  ::)

The fact is that Israel was built head to toe by American tax payer money.. Thanks to dradle spinning kikes in positions of huge power and influence.

Even the creation of Israel was influenced by the british branch of the famous Rothschild banking family.  :-\ I mean most Jews aren't even of near eastern origin, yet they got to shove an ancient race of people to the side by whining about not having a place to live.

Hell, our hostility with Iran probably has a lot to do with Israel. There was a recent report that killed much of the whole Nuclear Iran thing.. Bet you we were on their ass to begin with because of Israel's influence.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: droopydog on January 08, 2008, 06:04:17 PM
come on now guys don't concern yourself with Israeli "soldiers" bulldozing Palestinian settlements and killing people with US supplied tanks, helicopters and weapons...American Idol will be on next week, Britney Spears was just taken to the hospital and Roger Clemens is on those nasty steeeeeeroids. ::)

Come on man... you know thats what the "sheeple" care about... I swear when I look at the knuckleheads out there I sometimes wonder WTF I was protecting while in the Corps.... Man I am a patriot... But the average American is a lost cause...
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: SAMSON123 on January 08, 2008, 06:49:59 PM
New Orleans needed a good cleansing. The whole town smelled like shit.

YEAH...It definetly needed a good cleaning especially with all of that TRASH going there during spring break and Mardi Gras and making such a mess of the place. Sad though...with america having gone to HELL in a hand basket it will be a LOOOOOONG time before (if ever) that place recovers.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: SAMSON123 on January 08, 2008, 06:54:06 PM
Israel attacking whoever it wants with impunity and good 'ol Dubya is concerned about whether Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens used steroids, what a fuccking joke.

IT'S CALLED ....DISTRACTION. THAT IS THE GAME AMERICA PLAYS. BY THE WAY DID YOU KNOW THE BUSH'S LIKE THE CLINTON'S ARE JEWS? YES!!!! PLAYING THEIR HIDE AND SEEK GAME WITH THE PUBLIC...HITLER WARNED AMERICA OF THIS AND THEIR GAMES....REMEMBER WHEN HILARY CAME OUT AND ANNOUNCED HER JEWNESS...JUST AS SHE WAS RUNNING FOR SENATOR OF NEW YORK. THERE ARE ALSO MANY PICS OF BILL WITH HIS YARMULKE ON.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: SAMSON123 on January 08, 2008, 06:55:55 PM
if you had Jews in New Orleans the streets would be so clean that you could eat off of them.

THEN HOW COME EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD JEWS LIVE IN IS SO DIRTY, NASTY AND UNCLEAN????
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Eric2 on January 08, 2008, 07:05:08 PM
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Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: SteelePegasus on January 08, 2008, 07:09:34 PM
THEN HOW COME EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD JEWS LIVE IN IS SO DIRTY, NASTY AND UNCLEAN????

only those that don't get billions in US foreign aid..your tax dollars my friend
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Matt C on January 08, 2008, 08:49:11 PM
George Bush don't care about black POOR peeples

Fixed.

If you have money, Bush and his buddies will be there for you.  If you are poor - forget it.  Bush isn't even good at lying about this anymore.  Check out the first 15 seconds of this clip:

Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: figgs on January 08, 2008, 09:38:14 PM
*George Bush Senior speaking in an interview with Sarah McClendon in December 1992*
"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Matt C on January 08, 2008, 09:43:23 PM
*George Bush Senior speaking in an interview with Sarah McClendon in December 1992*
"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."

On the Rodney King beating, President George H.W. Bush said, "The jury system has worked. What's needed now is calm respect for the law."

The Bush's can't even PRETEND to not be racist.  Pathetic.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: figgs on January 08, 2008, 09:49:21 PM
On the Rodney King beating, President George H.W. Bush said, "The jury system has worked. What's needed now is calm respect for the law."

The Bush's can't even PRETEND to not be racist.  Pathetic.

lol wow.

Nor can they contain their enthusiasm for their plans of global enslavement.

Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 08, 2008, 10:11:28 PM
hi israel
We owe Israel everything.  We wouldn't be where we are today without them.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 08, 2008, 10:18:44 PM
Republicans should be enslaved until they work off the 9 trillion dollar deficit. Then when they're done they should shoot themselves in the head.
Well I agree Bluto should be banned.  But the republicans are saving our asses.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Ron on January 08, 2008, 10:28:52 PM
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Israel attacking whoever it wants with impunity and good 'ol Dubya is concerned about whether Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens used steroids, what a fuccking joke.

Israel attacking whomever it wants? Stop with your properganda already.

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The fact is that Israel was built head to toe by American tax payer money.. Thanks to dradle spinning kikes in positions of huge power and influence.

Oh god... another bold face lie. And a racism at heart. Have you been to Israel?  Get real, learn some facts. Watch some real news.


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Even the creation of Israel was influenced by the british branch of the famous Rothschild banking family. I mean most Jews aren't even of near eastern origin, yet they got to shove an ancient race of people to the side by whining about not having a place to live.

Yeah, I guess Jesus, Abraham, Isaac and Joseph and David came from America right. Learn some history.

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Hell, our hostility with Iran probably has a lot to do with Israel. There was a recent report that killed much of the whole Nuclear Iran thing.. Bet you we were on their ass to begin with because of Israel's influence.

Are you serious. The nuclear reactor just is happening to be opening up this year. The build of the underground area is just for a bomb shelter.

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THEN HOW COME EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD JEWS LIVE IN IS SO DIRTY, NASTY AND UNCLEAN

Where the hell do you live. Come to Los Angeles, to Cleveland, to San Jose, to Las Vegas. to Israel, to Europe.  Such a racist pathetic claim that I am almost laughing at how stupid you sound. Learn the different cultures of Jews, from Ultra-Orthodox to Hasiddic to Coservative to Reform. You have no idea who or what a Jew is. I can tell from your ignorance.

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IT'S CALLED ....DISTRACTION. THAT IS THE GAME AMERICA PLAYS. BY THE WAY DID YOU KNOW THE BUSH'S LIKE THE CLINTON'S ARE JEWS?

Wow! Can you spew more claims please! Amazing! I listen to the Channukah song (all three parts) and neither Clinton nor Bush was in that song.

Stop bullshitting with the same claims, and get some facts.

Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: CARTEL on January 08, 2008, 10:30:05 PM
THIS THREAD IS WAY TO INTELLECTUAL FOR GETBIG!!!!!!



Thanks to GigantorX.

He is the only one making any sense to me. Everybody keeps skirting him because he seems to actually be informed. Everybody else is just spewing the same old Hollywood-lib babble. And they have the nerve to call people who don't fall in line with their thinking "Sheep"  ::)
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: 24KT on January 09, 2008, 02:23:55 AM
I don't think Clinton had a shot anymore. No one wants a crybaby president. Can you imagine if Barack lost the Iowa caucus and started crying saying " oh lawdy, lawdy, what is I gonna do now?"

 :-\   I wasn't even aware that Barack Obama spoke like that.  ::)

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Being a woman doesn't give her the right to cry on the campaign trail.

Crying on the campaign trail is not a right, ...but it is a priviledge enjoyed by only one of the candidates.  :D

If life gives you lemons, ...make lemonade. Everyone is up in arms about all the opportunities this administration has squandered and failed to seize upon. Hilary had a unique opportunity to bond with her target market that night, ...and she did. She's not about to squander her opportunities.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on January 09, 2008, 04:24:07 PM
Israel attacking whoever it wants with impunity and good 'ol Dubya is concerned about whether Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens used steroids, what a fuccking joke.
what a great line! so true.

Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Ron on January 09, 2008, 05:32:33 PM
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Israel attacking whoever it wants


Who is Israel attacking now?   I know who attacked Israel today.  12 missles flew into Israel from the Gaza strip.  But that is ok, right.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: JBGRAY on January 09, 2008, 06:23:12 PM
-Benefits to Israel of U.S. aid since 1949:
 Grand Total: $84,854,827,200
 Interest Costs Borne by U.S: $49,936,680,000
 Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers: $134,791,507,200
 Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli: $23,240

Or, perhaps Israel's following accomplishments are entirely attributed to the gross amounts of US-delivered aid?
Israel's a big boy, they can take care of themselves.


Of course, accusations of anti-semitism always refutes all facts and discussion.

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Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on January 09, 2008, 06:59:24 PM
-Benefits to Israel of U.S. aid since 1949:
 Grand Total: $84,854,827,200
 Interest Costs Borne by U.S: $49,936,680,000
 Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers: $134,791,507,200
 Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli: $23,240

Or, perhaps Israel's following accomplishments are entirely attributed to the gross amounts of US-delivered aid?
Israel's a big boy, they can take care of themselves.


Of course, accusations of anti-semitism always refutes all facts and discussion.

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yet another golden post from JBGRAY...
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: G o a t b o y on January 09, 2008, 07:11:17 PM
All this talk of Jews makes me think we need to discuss a "final solution" to the problem.  ;D
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: beatmaster on January 09, 2008, 11:18:12 PM
All this talk of Jews makes me think we need to discuss a "final solution" to the problem.  ;D
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on January 10, 2008, 02:15:12 AM
All this talk of Jews makes me think we need to discuss a "final solution" to the problem.  ;D
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: Ron on January 10, 2008, 06:31:04 PM
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-Benefits to Israel of U.S. aid since 1949:
 Grand Total: $84,854,827,200
 Interest Costs Borne by U.S: $49,936,680,000
 Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers: $134,791,507,200
 Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli: $23,240

Wow - excellent numbers in the past 58 years.  Can we now see what is being given back to the U.S. and others...

Intelligence, technology, relationships, security and much more...  plus Israel is limited on how to use or whom to sell that technology that can more than make up for what the US is giving.

What about the rest of the world that the U.S. gives money too.

Hmm... lets just take Iraq in the last 3-4 years. Total cost to taxpayers to help stabilize the country. Probably more than Israel's number in 58 years.

Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: 240 is Back on January 10, 2008, 06:44:02 PM
See the numbers we give to Israel?
We actually give TRIPLE that to arab states.  afghanistan, iraq, sudan, egypt, and others. 

So I don't care that we give Isr money.  They're an insurance policy.  If Russia and china get sneaky, Israel can hit them as well.  They got our back, and I never complain about their influence because they're as loyal to us as we are to them. 
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: benz on January 10, 2008, 06:48:25 PM
NOW THAT YOU GUYS MENTION NOLA (NEW ORLEANS 4 THE NOOBS) I REMEMBER THIS POEM:

TITLE - KATRINA SKY

THE SKY CRIED
AND THE NIGGAS DIED

Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: beatmaster on January 10, 2008, 07:23:37 PM

Well, you have an incredibly corrupt, inefficient (School bus Ray Nagan?) and welfare ridden state such as Louisiana, headed by a man that was elected because because he was black. A police force that was ill trained and filled with political hirings and a population that was mired in poverty and so .................hooked on the governments welfare as to keep them voting for the same idiots that did nothing for them but hand them a govt. check every month, these welfare slaves didn't even know how to do anything for themselves. We have dumped over 130 billion dollars plus countless $$$ in public contributions and what has it solved? Nothing. The debit cards we handed these "people" were spent on TV's, beer and strip clubs...wow............. ..... Somewhere along the line people have to be able to take care of themselves to some extent and not look to the govt. to take care of every single thing. Other states got fucking hammered by Katrina too, and they seem to be rebuilding just fine without bitching and crying that no one is shoveling billions of taxpayer dollars unto their front porch.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: CARTEL on January 10, 2008, 07:46:31 PM
NOW THAT YOU GUYS MENTION NOLA (NEW ORLEANS 4 THE NOOBS) I REMEMBER THIS POEM:

TITLE - KATRINA SKY

THE SKY CRIED
AND THE NIGGAS DIED



LOL

That is cold  ;D
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: benz on January 10, 2008, 07:57:24 PM
LOL

That is cold  ;D

 ;D
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: 24KT on January 11, 2008, 05:53:40 AM
What about the rest of the world that the U.S. gives money too.

Hmm... lets just take Iraq in the last 3-4 years. Total cost to taxpayers to help stabilize the country. Probably more than Israel's number in 58 years.

 :o  That money isn't being given to Iraq, ...it's being given to Haliburton and all the other cronies.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: youandme on January 11, 2008, 09:09:11 AM
Wow, I'm shocked you think this way. ::)

Well, you have an incredibly corrupt, inefficient (School bus Ray Nagan?) and welfare ridden state such as Louisiana, headed by a man that was elected because because he was black.

Bingo. Nagan is for the rich, and they think he is for them. His opponent years of military service, and knows how the chain of command works and would have had the city back up and at least operating with federal help. Nagan has done nothing but blame fema and piss off those in higher office.

Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: rockyfortune on January 11, 2008, 09:38:46 AM
See the numbers we give to Israel?
We actually give TRIPLE that to arab states.  afghanistan, iraq, sudan, egypt, and others. 

So I don't care that we give Isr money.  They're an insurance policy.  If Russia and china get sneaky, Israel can hit them as well.  They got our back, and I never complain about their influence because they're as loyal to us as we are to them. 



actually, and don't quote me on this...but i read that the US gives israel more aid than any other nation.  240, where are your facts that say we give triple to the arab states?
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: 240 is Back on January 11, 2008, 02:26:01 PM

actually, and don't quote me on this...but i read that the US gives israel more aid than any other nation.  240, where are your facts that say we give triple to the arab states?

israel is like 3rd, but that counts iraq and afghanistan as #1 and #2.
in terms of nations we're not at war in, yes, israel is #1.
These stats are from meet the press with ron paul in late december.

Paul said he'd end the $ to israel (wildly unpopular in media circles) but he'll end the $ to arab states, which totals triple what israel gets.  I don't have a prob with israel getting the $ - they will bomb the capital city of any country that fvcks with us, and we need allies.  we need insurance - we ain't popular.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on January 11, 2008, 11:20:49 PM
israel is like 3rd, but that counts iraq and afghanistan as #1 and #2.
in terms of nations we're not at war in, yes, israel is #1.
These stats are from meet the press with ron paul in late december.

Paul said he'd end the $ to israel (wildly unpopular in media circles) but he'll end the $ to arab states, which totals triple what israel gets.  I don't have a prob with israel getting the $ - they will bomb the capital city of any country that fvcks with us, and we need allies.  we need insurance - we ain't popular.
israel would only do so if they felt it was in their best interest. if it looked like we were gonna get pwned, watch how fast their 'loyalty' switches.
well on second thought, i guess they might stick with us to the end, knowing full well that if we were gone their time would be up.
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: 240 is Back on January 12, 2008, 11:50:46 AM
israel would only do so if they felt it was in their best interest. if it looked like we were gonna get pwned, watch how fast their 'loyalty' switches.
well on second thought, i guess they might stick with us to the end, knowing full well that if we were gone their time would be up.

yep.  if the US fell into quicksand tomorrow, they'd be in some trouble surrounded by unfriendlies.  I think when ROn Paul went on meet the press and said he'd end all aid to israel, he immediately went from being a "cute side story about all his money he's making" to a non-story.  I used to see him mentioned repeatedly every day.  After that sunday, it got awfully quiet lol...
Title: Re: 3600 LIVES LOST, 1 TRILLION DOLLARS WASTED, NEW ORLEANS STILL IN SHAMBLES,
Post by: CARTEL on January 12, 2008, 04:32:19 PM
yep.  if the US fell into quicksand tomorrow, they'd be in some trouble surrounded by unfriendlies.  I think when ROn Paul went on meet the press and said he'd end all aid to israel, he immediately went from being a "cute side story about all his money he's making" to a non-story.  I used to see him mentioned repeatedly every day.  After that sunday, it got awfully quiet lol...

Without us around, Israel would nuke the shit out of the middle east. They wanted to nuke Iraq a few years ago and we talked them out of it.

Israel would have to answer to noone if it wasn't for the US.