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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: bmuscle90 on January 25, 2008, 02:49:04 PM
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I saw this picture posted on this board and I'm interested in doing the shoulder exercise that Arnold is doing. Im guessing this is on of those classic bodybuilder lifts because I dont really see them done anymore. All I wanted to know is that is this exercise any good to do? If so, is there anything I should know when doing them?.. like sets/reps.. and any tips for form? Thanks
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/IMG_0607.jpg)
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The BNP or the front raises? Both are still done.
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The one where he lifts the barbell overhead. Any tips or information on form or reps sets? Thanks for help.
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I wouldnt worry about doing BNP's (behind neck presses) and just go for military. I have seen more people hurt their shoulder on BNP than any other exercise. Never found it to be any more beneficial to BBing than military anyway.
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I wouldnt worry about doing BNP's (behind neck presses) and just go for military. I have seen more people hurt their shoulder on BNP than any other exercise. Never found it to be any more beneficial to BBing than military anyway.
agree. if you still want to go bnp though, treat it as any other compound movement, for example you can do 4 work sets, 8-12 reps.
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BNP & BP are two of the hardest on shoulders. If you want to do BNP, i suggest 2/3 or 1/2 ROM that leaves out the bottom portion that is hardest on the shoulders. That and keep the reps medium or high, not low using very heavy weight.
The other one he's doing front raises just a little different because of the neutral grip.
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man i hate bnp also if you do them if you can try them on a smith machine if you want it takes more stress off your rotator cuff....but i love some front raises supersetted with lateral raises or sometimes doin the compound cross...
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Good advice by Pumpster.....lots of people have trouble doing these and often develop shoulder problems......I`m not one of them luckily.
Bring the bar down to ear lobe level,and don`t lock-out at the top of the exercise................ 8-12 reps will be good,no heavier if you are prone to rotator cuff issues.
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Though not an exercise for everyone, the PBN (or BNP) need not cause an more stress for most BB'ers than any other shoulder exercise. It can be a prime mass builder and is one of my favorite exercises. Trouble is, most BB'ers are too stiff in the shoulder girdle and do not take the time to stretch and warm-up the area before (any) pressing. Taking a too of a wide hand grip and lowering the bar further down than needed is another bad habit to get into. Touching the top of the traps or base of the neck is all that is required for most of us. Not like some people I have seen, lowering the bar half way down the back and gripping almost to the collars. Another main problem is that a lot of guy's tend to rush the weight. Using too much weight on the bar too soon. Just tend to use caution, at first, if new to this movement. Work yourself into it slowly.
The PBN can actually strengthen the whole shoulder girdle, as does military presses, when done and handled correctly. Some serious weight can be hoisted overhead. I had heard that a few of the old Eastern block and Russian Olympic lifters have jerked pressed from behind the neck position. And some PL'ers include it in workouts to aid in the BP. Good Luck.
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I heard that many of the behind the neck exercises are dangerous and put a lot of stress on certain bodyparts. I was just wondering because I'm always looking for new and different styles of exercise. I probably wont end up doing this but thanks for the help and information.
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I heard that many of the behind the neck exercises are dangerous and put a lot of stress on certain bodyparts. I was just wondering because I'm always looking for new and different styles of exercise. I probably wont end up doing this but thanks for the help and information.
I believe it comes down to the individual. I myself can perform all the behind the neck exercises with no trouble or discomfort at all. That being said, i don't really ever perform these movements, but when i have, they felt fine.
I'm about to start studying to become a personal trainer, and at the gym at the college, you can actually get kicked out if you do pulldowns behind the neck. Their crazy about it.
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I believe it comes down to the individual. I myself can perform all the behind the neck exercises with no trouble or discomfort at all. That being said, i don't really ever perform these movements, but when i have, they felt fine.
I'm about to start studying to become a personal trainer, and at the gym at the college, you can actually get kicked out if you do pulldowns behind the neck. Their crazy about it.
That's ridiculous.
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That's ridiculous.
Tell me about it. Their fucking nazis about it. Its to do with the fact it puts your shoulders in "external rotation", which basically means its pretty easy to damage the rotator cuffs. I don't do em behind the neck anyway so it doesn't bother me.
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Exactly. If you do them often enough and practice the lift your body gets used to it. It's more normal for me now to do behind neck presses than military presses. in fact I never do military presses with a barbell - if i'm going to go for an alternative over press behind neck I'll go with dumbell presses.