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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: TrueGrit on January 26, 2008, 06:13:09 AM
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From what I've seen it's pretty hard to tell. Just about everyone at the time thought Arnold 1980 was a scandal..the Austrian oak even got booed by the crowd!
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Don't forget Nasser
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You've missed out Yates 94. That was probably the worst.
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Big Lou
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add Haney 1990 - another sad day for bodybuilding
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cutler 2007 is by far the worst..makesdorian 94 look aesthetic..
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Cutler 07.
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Enough said
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Cutler 2007
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Nasser beat Yates twice. His was the most disgusting, racist and scummy shafting ever in the sport.
All three of them are white men who sucked Weider's dick.
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Nasser beat Yates twice. His was the most disgusting, racist and scummy shafting ever in the sport.
All three of them are white men who sucked Weider's dick.
Nasser was close from the front lol Nasser the one dimensional bodybuilder , sorry sport you need to look great from every angle.
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Nasser beat Yates twice. His was the most disgusting, racist and scummy shafting ever in the sport.
All three of them are white men who sucked Weider's dick.
And what race are you?
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Don't forget Nasser
You stupid fucking idiot. This is an off season picture and has nothing to do with it. Nasser beat Yates hands down, post the comparison picture you Yates/neo Nazi loving girlyman.
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You stupid fucking idiot. This is an off season picture and has nothing to do with it. Nasser beat Yates hands down, post the comparison picture you Yates/neo Nazi loving girlyman.
Nasser disagrees here he is congratulating Yates for beating him ;)
Nasser " Thanks for kicking my ass Dorian , its been a real pleasure , I know you demoralized me despite not being you're best , I can only imagine how much more I would have gotten my ass kicked if you were 100% "
Dorian " The pleasure is all yours , now go away "
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cutler 2007. hands down. Arnold 80 at least showed up leaner you can see the strain in his face. Yates 97 is a distant second
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cutler 2007 is by far the worst..makesdorian 94 look aesthetic..
like wise
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also add 1981 with MR. Franco "I forgot my legs at home, but brought some milk instead" Columbu
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Nasser disagrees here he is congratulating Yates for beating him ;)
Dorian " The pleasure is all yours , now go away "
Self-ownage posting a shot of Yates with his signature pot LOL
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Mindless bringing up Nasser-he wasn't rewarded with perfect scores for looking like shit, the way the keg was.
Dorian " The pleasure is all yours , now go away "
Ya I wonder why ND relates to this type of arrogance LOL
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Bringing up Nasser's mindless, he was rewarded for looking like shit, the way the keg was.
Ya I wonder why ND relates to this type of arrogance LOL
Its easy to get the trolls to post lol looking like shit did you say? ;)
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also add 1981 with MR. Franco "I forgot my legs at home, but brought some milk instead" Columbu
Didn't he also have gyno at that one?
Edit: Ah..sorry, just got the milk reference about two minutes too late ;D
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Didn't he also have gyno at that one?
Yup
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didn't arnold not even do like 2-3 mandatories at the 1980 mr. o? if so does anybody know which ones he didn't do?
imo- yates 97 is the winner of shittiest mr. o
nobody in 07 looked like a mr. o should, wolf was the closest but he was missing a few things
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Sticking to the original question Cutler 07, Yates and Arnold both brought conditioning. Cutler just showed up looking 8 weeks out for him sense he says he is always ready 3 weeks out.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=197220.0;attach=229287;image)
Sorry but is really one of the worst Mr O's I've ever seen..especially when you consider the quality of the field the year before.
That's FC on an off day
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=197220.0;attach=229287;image)
Sorry but is really one of the worst Mr O's I've ever seen..especially when you consider the quality of the field the year before.
That's FC on an off day
after seing this picture of Franco...I'll take Cutler back and give the worst title to 81 Franco
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I wonder what it feels like to know you're going to win the O, yet are surrounded by your superiors.
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I wonder what it feels like to know you're going to win the O, yet are surrounded by your superiors.
Good question. Must be really horrible...
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From what I've seen it's pretty hard to tell. Just about everyone at the time thought Arnold 1980 was a scandal..the Austrian oak even got booed by the crowd!
Yates could've/should've lost both in 94 to Ray, AND in 97 to Nasser
Jay should've won the 2001 Olympia...
but by far the worst O showing would have to go to Jay in 07 :-X
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I wonder what it feels like to know you're going to win the O, yet are surrounded by your superiors.
Some like Yates & Columbu have absolutely no shame to this day, despite the fact that others who made real sacrifice & dominated them came up empty.
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Some like Yates & Columbu have absolutely no shame to this day, despite the fact that others who made real sacrifice & dominated them came up empty.
true. Yates 94 was really really bad. so was yates 97.
yates 94:
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I have nothing against Yates' win. Out of the two remaining, I would have to say Cutler's "win" in 2007.
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I wonder what it feels like to know you're going to win the O, yet are surrounded by your superiors.
like this? LOL
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Hulkster - you clearly know your stuff and many of your arguments are compelling. However, what do you think about the theory (I won't call it 'fact' ) that since Haney it seems to be that the best back always wins no matter what.
For example..Haney clearly had the craziest back, despite having relatively small arms etc and often being matched from the front, he would turn around, spread his wings and it was game over.
Likewise with Dorian ..torn arms..or whatever..his back would see him through.
Same also with Ronnie..his gyno and gut would not matter when his alien back was flared.
I'm not saying I agree with it - I think it's stupid - but it really does seem to be these days that the biggest and best back wins the O. Even Cutler in 2006 had brought his back up to be on a par with Ronnie's slightly diminishing one. I won't mention 2007 as I don't think anyone thinks that Cutler was the real winner on physique alone.
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Stop whining about Cutler. He deserve his 2 Mr O. He got 2 biceps, freaky calves, big as back, flat ripped belly, awesome legs, big as shoulders and pecs...what else do u want!!??
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Stop whining about Cutler. He deserve his 2 Mr O. He got 2 biceps, freaky calves, big as back, flat ripped belly, awesome legs, big as shoulders and pecs...what else do u want!!??
The slightest resemblance of aesthetics?
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Stop whining about Cutler. He deserve his 2 Mr O. He got 2 biceps, freaky calves, big as back, flat ripped belly, awesome legs, big as shoulders and pecs...what else do u want!!??
Hi Jay! How's the offseason?
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Hulkster - you clearly know your stuff and many of your arguments are compelling. However, what do you think about the theory (I won't call it 'fact' ) that since Haney it seems to be that the best back always wins no matter what.
For example..Haney clearly had the craziest back, despite having relatively small arms etc and often being matched from the front, he would turn around, spread his wings and it was game over.
Likewise with Dorian ..torn arms..or whatever..his back would see him through.
I don't think it's the back that did it, rather it's that flaws and balance issues became excusable when the powers that be in Weider and the IFBB decided who would win. I think the fact that both Yates & Haney had imbalances involving overpowering torsos was just an accident; if they'd had other imbalances instead the outcome would've been the same.
Columbu, another example of a guy with an overpowering back which is code for imbalance, simply should not have beaten Padilla-not plausible by any physical attribute. It was all behind the scenes crap we'll never know about.
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So according to you, Martinez or Wolf should have won 07?
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Hulkster - you clearly know your stuff and many of your arguments are compelling
thanks, I am the exact opposite of NarcisissticDumbass in this regard lol
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I don't think it's the back that did it, rather it's that flaws and balance issues became excusable when the powers that be in Weider and the IFBB decided who would win. I think the fact that both Yates & Haney had imbalances involving overpowering torsos was just an accident; if they'd had other imbalances instead the outcome would've been the same.
Columbu, another example of a guy with an overpowering back which is code for imbalance, simply should not have beaten Padilla-not plausible by any physical attribute. It was all behind the scenes crap we'll never know about.
I completely agree with you about the politics and Weider influence but I still think it's no coincidence that Haney, Yates and Ronnie had the defining back of their respective eras.
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Hulkster - you clearly know your stuff and many of your arguments are compelling. However, what do you think about the theory (I won't call it 'fact' ) that since Haney it seems to be that the best back always wins no matter what.
For example..Haney clearly had the craziest back, despite having relatively small arms etc and often being matched from the front, he would turn around, spread his wings and it was game over.
Likewise with Dorian ..torn arms..or whatever..his back would see him through.
Same also with Ronnie..his gyno and gut would not matter when his alien back was flared.
I'm not saying I agree with it - I think it's stupid - but it really does seem to be these days that the biggest and best back wins the O. Even Cutler in 2006 had brought his back up to be on a par with Ronnie's slightly diminishing one. I won't mention 2007 as I don't think anyone thinks that Cutler was the real winner on physique alone.
hard to say. the judges seem to love a good back. It has been said that the back is more difficult to bring up because it is harder for you to actually see it - you need a mirror, as opposed to something like arms which you can see as you train.
seeing the actual muscle groups as you train leads to more motivation via visual stimuli.
the thing about Ronnie, Yates and Haney was that no one ever said Ronnie or Haney was owned from the front.
but with dorian, everyone says it, can see it and can show it.
that is a crucial distinction:
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Yates 1994 and Yates 1997
Big jokes, even more than Chris Dickerson 1982 !
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Dorian Yates dwarfs Bev Francis.
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the judges seem to love a good back. It has been said that the back is more difficult to bring up because it is harder for you to actually see it - you need a mirror, as opposed to something like arms which you can see as you train.
seeing the actual muscle groups as you train leads to more motivation via visual stimuli.
That's an interesting point.
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That's an interesting point.
I always make interesting points.. :-*
Yates 94 I still think takes the cake.
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Dorian Yates dwarfs Bev Francis.
Bev's arms were the envy of dorian LOL
funny and sad at the same time.
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Bev's arms were the envy of dorian LOL
funny and sad at the same time.
Dorian's are bigger, but it's comparable.
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Dorian's are bigger, but it's comparable.
you know dorian was overrated when..lol
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I always make interesting points.. :-*
Yates 94 I still think takes the cake.
Interesting like Dorian lost in 1993? and Lee Labrada has crappy abs and calves and Matt Mendenhall was blocky? lol more like you're prone to retarded points
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you know dorian was overrated when..lol
You know your hero said on more than one occasion he could never beat Dorian ;) what was that about overrated again?
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I would say Cutler in 2007 wining the Olympia when Vic should have won the Olympia.
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Don't forget 2002
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Don't forget 2002
and in a jolt of reality to bring ND back to the real world, we see that even Ronnie 2002 still had an upper body that demolished the overrated weider fellatio-giver lol
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and in a jolt of reality to bring ND back to the real world, we see that even Ronnie 2002 still had an upper body that demolished the overrated weider fellatio-giver lol
Yeah my ass kid , 2001/2002 two years Ronnie was in serious and real danger of being beaten thats a fact kid ! Levrone never once said he should have beaten Yates but Ronnie holy cow lol
The plain truth is that I beat Ronnie last year [2000] and Jay Cutler beat Ronnie this year. You should not win the Mr. Olympia if your stomach is hanging out -- period. Last year, I patted Ronnie's stomach during the posedown to draw attention to the fact that he was bloated. That tactic obviously didn't work, and Ronnie beat me in the posedown to successfully defend his title for a third straight Mr. O triumph.
So now the show rolls around and Jay Cutler beats Ronnie in both prejudging rounds: symmetry and muscularity. Ronnie was spilling over with too much water during the muscularity round, and Cutler took it to him in many of the poses that Coleman usually dominates.
How can Cutler lose this contest if he wins in both symmetry and muscularity? How can Ronnie retain his title if his midsection is bloated and distended? Why should the fans get behind a champion who can't present an aesthetic image of what bodybuilding is supposed to be all about?
I'm talking about classical proportions, perfect symmetry and ideal conditioning. Based on that ideal, I should have won the Sandow in 2000, and Cutler should have taken it in 2001.
The fans deserve better than what they are getting. I'm already working hard to ensure that, in 2002, a true peoples' champ can strip the title away from Ronnie Coleman.
he not only says he won in 2000 but Jay in 2001 and himself again in 2002 lokl 3 years Ronnie lucked out or should I said the Weiders bailed him out lol
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LOL ND are you capable of posting something in your own words for once?
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you lack the intelligence to formulate your own opinions and assertions, you just copy and paste someone elses in every single one of your posts - with no visual backups to support it ever
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its so sad that this is what people today are reduced to.
unable to use their brains, no idea that an argument with assertions requires supporting proof (visuals in this case since this is bodybuidling), etc.
so sad.
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LOL ND are you capable of posting something in your own words for once?
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you lack the intelligence to formulate your own opinions and assertions, you just copy and paste someone elses in every single one of your posts - with no visual backups to support it ever
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its so sad that this is what people today are reduced to.
unable to use their brains, no idea that an argument with assertions requires supporting proof (visuals in this case since this is bodybuidling), etc.
so sad.
Hulkster I did formulate my point of view and I provided plenty is visual proof via pics & video and I supplemented it with quotes that support my claim , something you have never been able to do ( 99 Olympia is Ronnie's best ring a bell? lol )
I said Dorian Yates would beat Ronnie Coleman , I posted tons of pics , links to videos and my own indepth explanation why and low and behold I posted not one but two twos from Ronnie Coleman PROVING my point lol thats how its done you still can't find any quotes saying Ronnie 99 is his best showing lol
and those visuals matter when you're live & in person not sitting at home , does this ring a bell? lol
JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07
Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.\
oh snap does it still sting from that ass kicking? lol again stop avoiding the point Levrone never once said he should have beat Yates , he said many times 2000/2001/2002 were all jokes and Ronnie shouldn't have won them
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LOL there goes ND and his 'quotes' again LOL
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how sad.
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LOL there goes ND and his 'quotes' again LOL
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how sad.
There goes Hulkster again can't counter the argument so he looks to discredit the facts ;)
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you still can't find any quotes saying Ronnie 99 is his best showing lol
there are tons and have been posted many times.
you read them and simply say they are not "credible" sources LOL, yet you don't seem to understand that the quotes you keep posting don't even have visual support to back them. Ours do.
eg. you love to quote Peters comment about 99 ronnie not being as well conditioned as his 98 form, yet you can look at all the pics and videos and see that his 99 form was in VASTLY better shape than his 98 one.
see what I mean about quotes being useless without supporting evidence? had you went to school would have learned this.
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there are tons of quotes saying 99 ronnie was his best:
http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/99-coleman-everyone-else-4268.html?s=c14f467e3e57af3728d708ba300f25f9&t=4268
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ps peter says Ronnie 99 was his best olympia showing and advanced the sport that night, to a level far beyond the early 90's winner dorian, who came well before Ronnie 99.
the sport does not advance by moving backward oh moronic one.
lol owned.
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Jay 07 was the worst, followed closely by Ronnie in 01.
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there are tons and have been posted many times.
you read them and simply say they are not "credible" sources LOL, yet you don't seem to understand that the quotes you keep posting don't even have visual support to back them. Ours do.
eg. you love to quote Peters comment about 99 ronnie not being as well conditioned as his 98 form, yet you can look at all the pics and videos and see that his 99 form was in VASTLY better shape than his 98 one.
see what I mean about quotes being useless without supporting evidence? had you went to school would have learned this.
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there are tons of quotes saying 99 ronnie was his best:
http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/99-coleman-everyone-else-4268.html?s=c14f467e3e57af3728d708ba300f25f9&t=4268
Moron not only does Peter McGough say Ronnie isn't as hard or as dry in 99 as he was in 98 does does Ronnie Coleman , wow again you're onwed by your hero lol
Ronnie Coleman says his best Olympia showing was 1998 specifically because his conditioning was and I quote , " spot-on" which would mean his conditioning in 1999 was NOT spot-on compared to 1998
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ND doesn't use his eyes to follow bodybuilding LOL
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ps peter says Ronnie 99 was his best olympia showing and advanced the sport that night, to a level far beyond the early 90's winner dorian, who came well before Ronnie 99.
the sport does not advance by moving backward oh moronic one.
lol owned.
Moron NO WHERE did he ever say Ronnie Coleman was better than Yates thats a lie , stop typing you look more foolish than usual , in fact he said 2001 Arnold Classic was his best showing and in fact he sad Yates would crush that one as well lol hey wait a minute so does Ronnie , see a pattern here?
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Moron NO WHERE did he ever say Ronnie Coleman was better than Yates thats a lie
that was the whole point of the article you moron - each Mr. O winner listed 'advanced the sport' and Ronnie was listed LAST.
by definition, if you had a brain, you would realize that Peter is saying Ronnie 99 was better than dorian 93.
you don't seem to understand what reading comprehension is..
did you take english class in highschool? :-\
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ND doesn't use his eyes to follow bodybuilding LOL
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This is coming from the complete moron who claimed he's just as qualified to judge a contest as the judges who were live and in person , but NOT by being at the said contest by just looking at pictures lol your eyes are biased and your head is ignorant ontop of NOT ever seeing a pro contest and the people who were actually all there you're claiming they're all wrong and you're right lol this is the best defense against your stupidity
JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07
Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.
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there goes ND and his 'quotes' LOL
how sad. ::)
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that was the whole point of the article you moron - each Mr. O winner listed 'advanced the sport' and Ronnie was listed LAST.
by definition, if you had a brain, you would realize that Peter is saying Ronnie 99 was better than dorian 93.
you don't seem to understand what reading comprehension is..
did you take english class in highschool? :-\
Moron what part of he could NOT choose a ' best Mr Olympia ' did you miss? NO WHERE does it state Ronnie 99 is better than Dorian no where you're a liar in fact he says that Ronnie 2001 crushes 1999 again you keep running from this question how does one advance the sport by being smaller? and what does Peter say about Yates and Ronnie 2001? lol yeah I thought so , and hey wait what does Ronnie Coleman say? yeah I thought so lol
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there goes ND and his 'quotes' LOL
how sad. ::)
How sad you can't counter them and never could ;)
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jason 2007 ,,due to the operation in america and do to too much oil is the worst looking champ to ever win the mr o competition,,both arnold and dorian were 99% real true beef and no extra oils,,both were in a diffleage ,,jason is comparable with franko but franco didnt have oil either so jason is franco with a tad of velentino,,more than tad but you see where gh15 is getting at,,size is not everything !
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Out of the 3 you offer I would say Jay in 2007.
Because of his size advantage, coming in sharper
at night and being the reigning Mr. O one could
rationalize his win. Franco in 1981 though is by far the worse
Olympia decision.
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Franco in 1981 though is by far the worse
Olympia decision.
Having seen the pic, I must agree. He himself was on a terrible off-day - I've never seen him look so bad.
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As much as I hate Dorian's physique, I'm gonna have to say Jay's 2007 condition...or lack thereof.
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How sad you can't counter them and never could ;)
wrong. all the visual evidence counter them.
always has. always will.
that why you are getting owned (along with your hero) in about 4 billion threads on this board all at once!
hahahahha
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Yates 94-97 is the worst. He really should only have 2 olympia wins if the judging wasnt biased/predetermined.
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Yates 94-97 is the worst. He really should only have 2 olympia wins if the judging wasnt biased/predetermined.
Oh boo-hoo its fixed because Nasser was a one dimensional bodybuilder lol again explain 1998 Yates isn't there Nasser is the odds on favorite? and wow he lost again
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Also 2006 when Ronnie should have won the Olympia. I didnt like the way that Jay looked in 06 I thought Jay looked blocky.
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Also 2006 when Ronnie should have won the Olympia. I didnt like the way that Jay looked in 06 I thought Jay looked blocky.
Jay Cutler blocky?!
No way.
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ND and Hulkster ruin every fucking thread. Look at the title of the thread, neither of your heros are mentioned.
Get a room.
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ND and Hulkster ruin every fucking thread. Look at the title of the thread, neither of your heros are mentioned.
Get a room.
lol how about get a brain.
neither of our heros are mentioned in the title?
LOL
Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
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