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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Hugo Chavez on January 27, 2008, 06:43:11 PM
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They're talking about the recent TX issue and have the guy from Skeptic magazine as well as the airforce sgt. who sat with the Rendlesham UFO for 45 minutes before it took off.
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I think it's a repeat? It was on last night too.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/20/lkl.01.html
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They just talked to one of the minute man missile officers who just told of a UFO that came and shut down their whole system. The same happened to something like 10 other nuclear missile sites.
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I think it's a repeat? It was on last night too.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/20/lkl.01.html
cool.
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They're talking about the recent TX issue and have the guy from Skeptic magazine as well as the airforce sgt. who sat with the Rendlesham UFO for 45 minutes before it took off.
this is not a debate anymore....
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google tanguska
google video " nasa evidence"
google nazca lines
google hitler ufo
google flying rods
google serpent ufo
get it?
..google
drake equation...
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PF, You might like the post I just made about Daniel Sheehan.
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Its amazing how alot of this is ignored. I think the way to prove this is not be some spectacular event but by piecing mundane information together. People don't even believe video anymore...i think u'd need several things to tie something together. Its kinda like how they finally nailedAl Capone...tax records. If a dish crashed and they sent in troops...there would be travel records..rental cars...plane tickets...food/credit receipts...dispatch records for vehicles. Uncle Sam is not going to change how we do things, even for this. If they send in troops..the paper trail will be vast and it would be hard to sweep it all up. Maybe 50 years ago it was easy..but now. U could nail em and get some proof.
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Its amazing how alot of this is ignored. I think the way to prove this is not be some spectacular event but by piecing mundane information together. People don't even believe video anymore...i think u'd need several things to tie something together. Its kinda like how they finally nailedAl Capone...tax records. If a dish crashed and they sent in troops...there would be travel records..rental cars...plane tickets...food/credit receipts...dispatch records for vehicles. Uncle Sam is not going to change how we do things, even for this. If they send in troops..the paper trail will be vast and it would be hard to sweep it all up. Maybe 50 years ago it was easy..but now. U could nail em and get some proof.
I don't even think any of that will cut it these days. It's surprising how locked into a belief system people become. Facts seem to be second to belief. If you had proof of some kind, rest assured, it would have to be beyond extraordinary otherwise there would be no shortage of any number of explanations and accusations. I honestly believe for some people you would have to walk up to them, grab their arm, pull out a communicator and beem them up to the mothership, lock phasers on London, melt Big Ben, beem back to earth and show them the paper where Scotland Yard is investgating the clock's meltdown.
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when i learned about 911, WMD, and stopped being a Bush troll for 5 years, I felt stupid.
I felt sorry for the people I had convinced/driven to vote for Dubya twice.
I felt stupid for laughing at the 2004 Ohio election theft as I had at the time. I'd said "I don't care if he did cheat - just keep Kerry out of the white house. he'll ruin this place!"
I hated Kerry because he is/was a douchebag. I should have looked more at how his policies would affect our future.
If/when major proof of UFOs comes out, I don't think some people would have the moral courage to say "wow, I was a dumbass every time I mocked those who had seen something". No, I think ppl like Beach Bum will shrug it off and act like they 'kind knew all along there was something to it' as they brag to their friends.
People like that never learn from their mistakes, so they fall for them again. I look at everything the white house says with a crooked eye now - if they'll lie about WMD and 911, and they'll lie about many smaller issues, they'll lie about anything. I've learned not to buy CTs every time too.
With all the military, nasa, and leaders who have come fwd about UFOs being real...
With all the NASA shuttle imagery of things following the shuttle
With all the sightings, video, etc
With all the foreign govts admitting something is to it
Some folks will never admit it. And when it's plainly obvious and CNN tells them it's okay to believe it, they'll tell us they knew all along.
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when i learned about 911, WMD, and stopped being a Bush troll for 5 years, I felt stupid.
I felt sorry for the people I had convinced/driven to vote for Dubya twice.
I felt stupid for laughing at the 2004 Ohio election theft as I had at the time. I'd said "I don't care if he did cheat - just keep Kerry out of the white house. he'll ruin this place!"
I hated Kerry because he is/was a douchebag. I should have looked more at how his policies would affect our future.
If/when major proof of UFOs comes out, I don't think some people would have the moral courage to say "wow, I was a dumbass every time I mocked those who had seen something". No, I think ppl like Beach Bum will shrug it off and act like they 'kind knew all along there was something to it' as they brag to their friends.
People like that never learn from their mistakes, so they fall for them again. I look at everything the white house says with a crooked eye now - if they'll lie about WMD and 911, and they'll lie about many smaller issues, they'll lie about anything. I've learned not to buy CTs every time too.
With all the military, nasa, and leaders who have come fwd about UFOs being real...
With all the NASA shuttle imagery of things following the shuttle
With all the sightings, video, etc
With all the foreign govts admitting something is to it
Some folks will never admit it. And when it's plainly obvious and CNN tells them it's okay to believe it, they'll tell us they knew all along.
Don't worry, you didn't drive anyone to vote for dubya unless it was by gunpoint ;D
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lol... no seriously, i convinced lib family members that kerry would ruin america.
i picked them up and drove them to their polling station. I had voted early, so I didn't even have to go that day. But I wanted them to vote.
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lol... no seriously, i convinced lib family members that kerry would ruin america.
i picked them up and drove them to their polling station. I had voted early, so I didn't even have to go that day. But I wanted them to vote.
no seriously, if they were libs, they humored you and got a free ride to vote Kerry :D
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no seriously, if they were libs, they humored you and got a free ride to vote Kerry :D
hahahahaha yeah it was raining and those hippies didn't want to get their bikes wet!
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hahahahaha yeah it was raining and those hippies didn't want to get their bikes wet!
oh yea, I know how it works ;D
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oh yea, I know how it works ;D
joelocal owes me gas money.
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Whatever this "ufo" thing is all about the US seems to have decided a long time ago that they will just be in denial mode.
1. They've done the math and decided there is no benefit to admitting these things (whatever they are) exists. We are the supreme military force on this planet and to admit that something can penetrate our airspace at will and there's nothing we can do about it - there's just no upside to doing that.
2. Along with denial we're actively trying to reverse engineer this technology and do it before our earthly counterparts (friend and foe) figure it out.
3. The whole mass hysteria thing (I think this is the least viable reason because I think they're just waiting to pull out this card to really scare the shit out of population). Maybe when we're no longer scared of Al Queda they'll pull out this one.
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I disagree...we can see the threat of AQ, 911/USS Cole Iraq/Afganistan etc etc...nobody will believ in aliens...everybody will laugh...unless they appear on TV demanding we surrender, at which point we're srewed..so it won't matter. :D
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My statement was predicated upon the idea that the govt. would provide irrefutable proof of reality and then hype the threat i.e they'll only do it when it serves their agenda.
Werner Von Braun made similar claims late in life. It could be hype and total bullshit, but nevertheless, I find it interesting. Even if this is statement is accurate it, of course, doesn't make it true:
Dying from cancer, Von Braun enlisted Rossin, a fellow executive at Fairchild Industries, to help educate the public and decision-makers. He regarded space-based weapons as "dumb, dangerous, destabilizing, too costly, unnecessary and unworkable."
Significantly he outlined the five-step "scare tactics" used to justify them. First the public has been made to fear the Communists; then "terrorists"; then "rogue nations"; then "asteroids" and finally "extraterrestrials."
"Remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens and all of it is a lie," he told her.
The program is slowly unfolding as Von Braun predicted. We are at the rogue nation, terrorist stage.
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Just to clarify - the reality of their existence (whatever "they" may be) is real. The idea that they're a threat will be false
Personally, I'm leaning more toward inter-dimensional - parallel universe hypothesis and not the simplistic - nuts and bolts spaceship from a another planet.
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I disagree...we can see the threat of AQ, 911/USS Cole Iraq/Afganistan etc etc...nobody will believ in aliens...everybody will laugh...unless they appear on TV demanding we surrender, at which point we're srewed..so it won't matter. :D
yeah, AQ is a real threat, but nowhere near the level we're fed by bush and fox news.
remember the commercial with the mushroom cloud and osama, right before the elections, put out by the RNC? they wanted to scare people.
google 'nexus of terror' and see the olbermann piece. he lists 18 times that a terror warning was issued 1-2 days after a huge white house negative story. Every single time, right as the story got legs, chertoff came out with a vague scare and that got the headlines.
HH6 - can you at the very least admit Bush has politicized terror? how bout rudy? Didnt he say if we elect a dem we'll be attacked? hilary did it too, saying that just as AQ tested gordon brown on day 1, we can't afford to let obama get attacked while wearing training wheels.
they use terror threats to scare us. one attack in the usa in 7 years, and as you know by the fact NORAD took the day off and they destroyed tapes, and the insider trianing, and condi telling willie brown not to fly tomorrow, and the pentagon brass all cancelling their AM flights, and Bush ignoring all detailed warnings on the atack, and cheney telling the aide to not shoot down the plane...
it had white fingerprints on it.
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yeah i saw that too!
it could be anything, again, when they can't explain something, it's gotta be UFO.
it doesn't mean there was nothing outhere, but why it's gotta be E.T everytime?
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240..they all do.
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I've seen those flares they're talking about. They are spooky and could easily result in "UFO sightings."
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Are u talking aircraft flares...either way...Planes are loud as hell. U just can't mistake em for a UFO. They were up to something in Texas
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Are u talking aircraft flares...either way...Planes are loud as hell. U just can't mistake em for a UFO. They were up to something in Texas
Yeah, aircraft flares. They were up to something, but I don't think it was anything to be secretive about. They just don't care to let the media know. Probably dropped the flares from on high and then had planes come in after to test visibility for pilots...hence the "chasing"
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I've listened to an interview with one of the primary witnesses - the guy who saw the immense structured craft - and he seems pretty damn believable. I grew up out in the sticks in Texas and I know alot of guys like this guy. Just very no nonsense type people.
Here's a link to the transcript: http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1377&category=Environment
BTW - notice the list of military bases in the area at the end of the interview.
My first inclination would be that this is some type of very unconventional craft that belongs to us.
If not then my second inclination would be that this thing was in that location not for the deer hunting but probably because of something going on at one of those bases (100% pure speculation but not without precedent)
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I've listened to an interview with one of the primary witnesses - the guy who saw the immense structured craft - and he seems pretty damn believable. I grew up out in the sticks in Texas and I know alot of guys like this guy. Just very no nonsense type people.
ANd just as likely as anyone else to be confused by aircraft flares they've never seen before.
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ANd just as likely as anyone else to be confused by aircraft flares they've never seen before.
It's hard to confuse a giant metalic object with a flare - the guy in the link above saw this during the daylight, was right below it and couldn't see the edges. Looked down then looked up again never took his eyes off it and it went from being over his head to being a mile away. Also, this guy is a welder and looked at this thing through his rifle scope and couldn't see any seams, rivets, welding etc.... he said it looked like it was molded out of one piece. All in all VERY weird and totally unconventional. I think most likely this guy was being very honest and accurate in his descriptions.
Also, you'd think if the military had flares up that night or a bunch of planes then they could have handled the PR a LOT better.
Something doesn't add up - IMO
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It's hard to confuse a giant metalic object with a flare - the guy in the link above saw this during the daylight, was right below it and couldn't see the edges. Looked down then looked up again and it went from being over his head to being a mile away. Also, this guy is a welder and looked at this thing through his rifle scope and couldn't see any seams, rivets, welding etc.... he said it looked like it was molded out of one piece. All in all VERY weird and totally unconventional. I think most likely this guy was being very honest and accurate in his descriptions.
Also, you'd think if the military had flares up that night or a bunch of planes then they could have handled the PR a LOT better.
Something doesn't add up - IMO
I didn't know the guy saw it in the daylight.
the armed forces do not feel they have to do PR for the most part, so I'm not surprised that they did not come out and say what was going on.
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yep - saw this thing in broad daylight right over his head - said it was so big that he couldn't see the edges.
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yep - saw this thing in broad daylight right over his head - said it was so big that he couldn't see the edges.
Corrroborating witnesses?
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none that I know of for his particular sighting - but he's out in the middle of know where.
btw - link above has all the info
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Corrroborating witnesses?
actually - not with the welder guy but other witnesses saw something similar heading in the direction where he had the sighting.
from the link above:
Even pilots were eyewitnesses and estimated unidentified lights moving at least 3,000 miles per hour.
One of those pilots is Steve Allen of Selden, Texas, not far from Glen Rose. Mr. Allen is owner of L & S Enterprises and Texas Freight in Glen Rose. It was Tuesday, January 8, about 6:15 PM when he noticed flashing, white lights about 3,500 feet above the ground. He told ABC network News that the lights formed a rectangle pattern that “spanned about a mile long and a half mile wide and the pattern was headed toward Stephenville at 3,000 miles per hour.”
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U can launch those things anywhere and they wouldn't do it near any population centers....the AF was not very forthcoming when asked about the sigtings...they caused more problems then it was worth. They could have used ur answer....its unlikely but possible.
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Aliens on the moon
http://www.ufocasebook.com/moon.html
below picture from mars
(http://www.cnet.co.uk/i/c/nws/software/manonmars/manonmars-1.jpg)
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Aliens on the moon
http://www.ufocasebook.com/moon.html
below picture from mars
(http://www.cnet.co.uk/i/c/nws/software/manonmars/manonmars-1.jpg)
That's Bigfoot
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vid of man on mars
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http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=man+on+mars&sitesearch=
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This is like believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. ::)
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This is like believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. ::)
what part?
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Believing that aliens are visiting Earth.
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Believing that aliens are visiting Earth.
::) You equate this to believing in Santa? There's mountains of substantial material to review on UFOs and ET-Intelligence. There are only parents telling their 5 year old that Santa is real. What do you base your criticism on? Sure there are loony people who make crazy cases, but they stand out as exactly that, crazy. It doesn't change the credible material or make it impossible because some nut has a website with wild theories and hoaxed photos.
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What you believe to be credible material isn't credible material.
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What you believe to be credible material isn't credible material.
There is an abundance of credible evidence that something is going on.
To claim "alien" (or reject it) is to draw a conclusion without sufficient evidence.
I would add to that list: time travelers, inter-dimensional visitors, parallel universe, etc.... along with a whole bunch of stuff we haven't even thought of yet. Heck they might even originate from earth but just stay concealed most of the time.
IMO - there is simply not enough evidence to draw any conclusion other than that there is a geniune unidentified phenomena of some sort going on here.
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What you believe to be credible material isn't credible material.
example? what part is not credible here?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=197776.0
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IMO - there is simply not enough evidence to draw any conclusion other than that there is a geniune unidentified phenomena of some sort going on here.
exactly, and this is why it's silly to relegate something credibly worth investigating to belief in Santa.
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Call me when you have the ET. Then we can talk.
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ET....phone.....Desolate .
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Bad cell service over there in Alpha Centauri.
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Call me when you have the ET. Then we can talk.
that's a copout if I ever saw one. You said there wasn't any credible material. There is credible material such as the report I linked to. So now you reduce it down to not credible until ET is paraded in Time Square. That's like saying nobody should be convicted of a crime unless it's caught on camera and confirmed by satelite surveillance.
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that's a copout if I ever saw one. You said there wasn't any credible material. There is credible material such as the report I linked to.
A report about lights in the sky?
You don't ask for much.
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I find people like Robert Salas to be highly credible:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/disclosure-project-robert-salas/12847719
Here's a bunch of pilot sightings with cockpit voice recordings.
A bunch of guys with NOTHING To gain and everything to lose:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8614351526846808167
You can find plenty of credible witnesses if you take just a bit of time to look
Something is going on - either that or a bunch of pilots and guys responsible for guarding and launching nuclear missles are delusional and hallucinating
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A report about lights in the sky?
You don't ask for much.
you didn't read it ::) wow, I'm accustomed to not posting long things here but I think you've just made an ADD getbig record. that's a very short read man.
In Paragraph 3, the Complaint states that three nights later on August 11, 1980, a Sandia Security Guard after midnight “was driving East on the Coyote Canyon access road on a routine building check of an alarmed structure. As he approached the structure, he observed a bright light near the ground behind the structure. As he approached the structure, he observed a bright light near the ground behind the structure. He also observed an object he first thought was a helicopter. But after driving closer, he observed a round disk-shaped object. He attempted to radio for a back up patrol, but his radio would not work. As he approached the object on foot armed with a shotgun, the object took off in a vertical direction at a high rate of speed. The guard was a former helicopter mechanic in the U. S. Army and stated the object he observed was not a helicopter.”
all I'm saying is this is credible. You said it is not credible. This is just one example among thousands of credible accounts.
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I've lost all concentration skills since my alien implant.
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I've lost all concentration skills since my alien implant.
troll, shock shock ::) got it, sorry to waste my time, forgive me.
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Not a troll.
Just don't believe aliens have ever visited the Earth in any way, shape or form.
There is nothing that even remotely contradicts this.
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Not a troll.
Just don't believe aliens have ever visited the Earth in any way, shape or form.
There is nothing that even remotely contradicts this.
no one said anything about aliens.
If you want to ignore highly credible eyewitness to unexplainable phenomena then so be it.
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But why be interested in the phenomena?
Why not wait for something to come of it before getting all excited?
If you believe that there is something to it, then surely you must believe it's only a matter of time before true exposure, right?
And you have to admit that when people talk UFOs, they're talking aliens. The fact that the letters simply stand for Unidentified Flying Object means very little to them.
You've got to give me that much.
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Not a troll.
Just don't believe aliens have ever visited the Earth in any way, shape or form.
There is nothing that even remotely contradicts this.
looks like a troll to me, you make a charge, I answer and you reply with sarcasm.
well you just boiled it down to refuting credible accounts with FAITH in your BELIEF. Sounds close minded to me. It's not that there are not things that contradict this, it's that there aren't things to contradict your faith. Hey, if you're locked into not believing it until you meet ET and take a tour of the mothership, that's your problem. Many people prefer to treat it as a serious possibility based on thousands of CREDIBLE accounts.
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But why be interested in the phenomena?
Why not wait for something to come of it before getting all excited?
If you believe that there is something to it, then surely you must believe it's only a matter of time before true exposure, right?
And you have to admit that when people talk UFOs, they're talking aliens. The fact that the letters simply stand for Unidentified Flying Object means very little to them.
You've got to give me that much.
no, they're talking about the possibility of aliens. Not enough data to claim alien intelligence. Based on the gathered data to this point, it is highly possible, not absolute. yes there are nuts out there that go overboard just as they do with everything. But if you just look at the credible sources, something highly advanced is going on.
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But why be interested in the phenomena?
Why not wait for something to come of it before getting all excited?
If you believe that there is something to it, then surely you must believe it's only a matter of time before true exposure, right?
And you have to admit that when people talk UFOs, they're talking aliens. The fact that the letters simply stand for Unidentified Flying Object means very little to them.
You've got to give me that much.
also how do you expect exposure when interest in the phenomena is mocked and laughed at? Why the interest? That's really an odd question to ask a human. It's highly in our nature to investigate and want to understand things. When you see something that doesn't have explanation, it's nature to look for one.
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But why be interested in the phenomena?
Why not wait for something to come of it before getting all excited?
If you believe that there is something to it, then surely you must believe it's only a matter of time before true exposure, right?
And you have to admit that when people talk UFOs, they're talking aliens. The fact that the letters simply stand for Unidentified Flying Object means very little to them.
You've got to give me that much.
I believe there is a genuine mystery - that's all
Why? Lot's of credible witnesses from all countries and throughout history
Anyone who equates the phenomena with aliens is making assumptions, mostly based on our modern point of view
I don't know what the heck is going on but the idea that I shouldn't be interested unless it comes down on bites me on the ass is silly.
If that were the case then why care or be interested in anything??
Of all the people studying this phenomena I think Jacques Vallee is the most credible and scholarly and he doesn't really believe the simple ET hypothesis either:
http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/vallee_davis.pdf
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc839.htm
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It seems foolish to me for people to spend time on such things.
Life is too short. But hey, it's your time. Use it how you want.
I'm sure I'm interested in things that would bore many. Bodybuilding for one. :)
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It seems foolish to me for people to spend time on such things.
Life is too short. But hey, it's your time. Use it how you want. :)
What liberals spend time with/care about seems foolish to conservatives and vice versa. Life is filled with a million examples of this. You "believe" these things aren't real or credible so I see why you would call it a foolish waste of time.
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It seems foolish to me for people to spend time on such things.
Life is too short. But hey, it's your time. Use it how you want.
I'm sure I'm interested in things that would bore many. Bodybuilding for one. :)
I'm continually amazed by people's lack of curiousity in the world in which we live
btw - every second I spend on this site is almost certainly a foolish waste of time
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UFOs in old paintings
(http://www.dudeman.net/siriusly/ufo/art/madona2.jpg)
(http://ufocasebook.com/oldpaintings.jpg)
artifacts
http://www.ufocasebook.com/alienartifacts.html
(http://www.ufocasebook.com/ceramicincanartifacts.jpg)
ancient cave paintings
(http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/ufos-flying.jpg)
its surprising to me that people will believe in god but wont believe in UFOs :-\
the nazca lines
This is not a drawing on a cave wall. This is an aerial photo. The figure is hundreds of feet long and can only be fully seen from the sky. It's name is Owl-Man and it was created over 2000 years ago by digging lines in the earth. Glyphs or Nazca lines as they are called remain a mystery. They were only discovered in the 1920's and 30's when pilots began to fly over them. There are glyphs of animals, birds and geometric shapes. What's amazing about these is not that people created them, but the fact that these pictures are very accurate considering that the creators could not see what they were making.
(http://www.zerotime.com/ufo/hello.gif)
This is a French Coin minted in the 1680's. Look close. There is a strange object over an open field. What is that hovering just below the clouds?
(http://www.zerotime.com/ufo/plane.gif)
It's a bronze 747 airplane, right? Well, No. This is an early Colombian artifact dating back some one thousand plus years. You can argue this case a hundred differnet ways. Maybe it was just coincidence.
(http://www.zerotime.com/ufo/coin.gif)
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(http://ufocasebook.com/oldpaintings.jpg)
And this is why the Vatican won't allow access to their archives on UFOs.
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I'm continually amazed by people's lack of curiousity in the world in which we live
btw - every second I spend on this site is almost certainly a foolish waste of time
It's not lack of curiousity. I don't waste time on things that have no substance. Personally, I think you're wasting your time on nothingness. But like I said, it's your time.
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It's not lack of curiousity. I don't waste time on things that have no substance. Personally, I think you're wasting your time on nothingness. But like I said, it's your time.
no offense intended but you seem to know almost nothing about the topic yet you've deemed it without substance
I offer you one example. Invest 4 minutes of your life. This is a highly credible person who's willing to risk his reputation by going public on a national stage to tell about an astonishing incident that happened at one of our nuclear launch facilities. I find this incredibly interesting and overflowing with substance. If you find this boring I understand. He's a bit flat and "matter of fact" in his delivery but then again he's former military. For more pizzaz go listen to the cockpit recordings.
Either pilots and military officers in control of nuclear warheads are suffering from mass delusion or they're reporting what they are actully experiencing. Either outcome is totally facinating and worthy of exploration
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/disclosure-project-robert-salas/12847719
if you're still bored and unimpressed then you gotta tell me what kind of facinating stuff you fills up your day. Seriously, I'd like to know. You say you don't waste time on things that have no substance so how exactly to you spend your free time ...besides the obvious posting on Get Big.
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He seems an honest guy.
I'm sure he did experience something. But you know that most run with this and take it to levels of silliness.
You don't seem to do that, SM. You have what I would call a general curiousity that is not overwhelming your day to day life. That's fine.
What bothers me is the wackos.
I saw one of these shows tonight on The History Channel. It was typical...and awful.
Some are slick and use this whole thing to make cash. Stanton Friedman comes to mind.
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I don't spend much time on it these days but I read almost everything I could find about it when I was younger - most of it being crap. Previously, I linked to some info about Jacques Vallee who find to be, by far, to be the most interesting person researching this stuff. Vallee, among many other things is a venture capitalist and has published books in many other disciplines and certainly isn't interested in this topic for any money making reasons. Another credible author and "researcher" is Peter Sturrock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_A._Sturrock who again is not doing it for the money. In fact Sturrock is a physics professor at Stanford and publicy pursuing or even professing an interest in this subject is normally the kiss of death in that field.
There's alot more good info than the crap you'll find on the History Channel - although I think the Black Box UFO show did air on that channel and I think that's pretty good
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case of the nasa ufo
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8524267568796529301&q=nasa+evidence&total=943&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0