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Lets say he fought Chuck Liddel or Tito, how would he do? Or better yet, what about against Fedor?
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destroyed by all 3...the mike tyson of late 80s early 90s would have done alright
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destroyed by all 3...the mike tyson of late 80s early 90s would have done alright
thats what i meant,,in the 80's and 90's..
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Why do you guys ask these crazy questions? If Mike Tyson in his prime came into the UFC, there are guys at 155/170/185 that would dominate him!! They would simply take him to the mat and work him over. Boxers have the biggest disadvantage in MMA. If you take a Olympic wrestler and put them in MMA, they would do much better than a Boxer.......
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unless they develop the takedown defense of chuck liddell :)
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Lets say he fought Chuck Liddel or Tito, how would he do? Or better yet, what about against Fedor?
They would take Mike to the ground and elbow the hell out of him, just like Gonzaga did to Cro Cop.
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unless they develop the takedown defense of chuck liddell :)
Totally agree with you on this... Scarey thought soemone with Tyson's power with the MMA gloves who had td defense
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if tyson was smart (which he isn't) he would have trained for takedown defense for a year or two, then stepped in the octagon (hopefully dana would put him against another guy that likes to bang, say tim "the maniac" sylvia") and see what happens...but if they put him in there against lesner, then at least he would have a shot to stop the take down...
or how bout this
kimbo vs tyson!!!!
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I'd love to see one person take Tyson down to the ground after getting fed a jab/cross from him with 4oz. MMA gloves... he'd knock anyone that tried into next week... some of you guys are delusional in his prime there isn't a person in the world that could fuck with Tyson. Remember to take him down you have to get close and shoot in, that leaves your chin very VERY open to get KTFO.
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very true cpt eq
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I'd love to see one person take Tyson down to the ground after getting fed a jab/cross from him with 4oz. MMA gloves... he'd knock anyone that tried into next week... some of you guys are delusional in his prime there isn't a person in the world that could fuck with Tyson. Remember to take him down you have to get close and shoot in, that leaves your chin very VERY open to get KTFO.
People forget how much skills Tyson had in his prime. if he focused his bad attitude and frustrations on MMA instead of boxing in his teens i think he would be just as dominant. i seriously think he would have killed someone if he hit someone with 4 0z gloves.
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I'd love to see one person take Tyson down to the ground after getting fed a jab/cross from him with 4oz. MMA gloves... he'd knock anyone that tried into next week... some of you guys are delusional in his prime there isn't a person in the world that could fuck with Tyson. Remember to take him down you have to get close and shoot in, that leaves your chin very VERY open to get KTFO.
You must not have watched many MMA fights....A good wrestler can shoot from 5 feet away and take you down. You name the top boxer in the world right now and they would be beat within 2 minutes by a top heavyweight MMA fighter.
TYSON WOULD HAVE BEEN EASILY BEAT.....
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You must not have watched many MMA fights....A good wrestler can shoot from 5 feet away and take you down. You name the top boxer in the world right now and they would be beat within 2 minutes by a top heavyweight MMA fighter.
TYSON WOULD HAVE BEEN EASILY BEAT.....
Hahaha.. ok :)
Tyson now, yeah... Tyson 1988.... NO FUCKING WAY
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I'd love to see one person take Tyson down to the ground after getting fed a jab/cross from him with 4oz. MMA gloves... he'd knock anyone that tried into next week... some of you guys are delusional in his prime there isn't a person in the world that could fuck with Tyson. Remember to take him down you have to get close and shoot in, that leaves your chin very VERY open to get KTFO.
wow... just... wow...
Have you even even done mma or wrestling? Because this is about as far from the truth as could possible.
Try punching a guy shooting for your legs on the chin. It pretty much impossible because you'll hit the top of his head. BFD, that won't knock anyone out. Oh, and a shoot against someone like Tyson(or any pure boxer in general) would be initiated OUTSIDE punching or kicking range. So no luck knocking him out from that distance either. Fight tactics are used in boxing as well as mma, but boxers don't have a tactic to counter mma-fighters, while (smart) mma-fighters do have for stand-up purists.
If people still think in this age, after all mma has proven, that a stand-up style purist still has any chance to beat modern mma-athletes other than what we in mma call "boxers chance", they are either complete imbecils or fanatic fanboys. There have been quite a few world class striker-purists that have been submitted without even the possibility to throw a single punch or kick.
Search for Ramon Dekkers only mma-fight(which was in pride or k1-heroes I think, ufc doesn't equal mma), a living legend in muay thai, probably the best p4p-thai fighter alive, but in mma the guy got completely toyed with and humiliated.
"What if they developped world class takedown defense".
Yeah, because that happens over night and completely doesn't need years of hard training and serious natural talent. What if I developped world class takedown defense, submissions and striking game... Why, I'd win every fight I'd enter! I found the holy grail of mma!
Unfortunatly it doesn't work that way.
The only way tyson would be a favourite in an mma fight would be when he fought a stand-up guy with very little offensive ground-game, like Tim Sylvia.
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he would have gotten beat badly
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I'd love to see one person take Tyson down to the ground after getting fed a jab/cross from him with 4oz. MMA gloves... he'd knock anyone that tried into next week... some of you guys are delusional in his prime there isn't a person in the world that could fuck with Tyson. Remember to take him down you have to get close and shoot in, that leaves your chin very VERY open to get KTFO.
100% completely agree. NO ONE would be even close to getting him down bc they wouldn't be able to get that close in the first place. Tyson had such quickness and power.
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100% completely agree. NO ONE would be even close to getting him down bc they wouldn't be able to get that close in the first place. Tyson had such quickness and power.
That's what some of the people in this thread are incapable of understanding, we're not talking about Joe Schmoe Boxer... we're talking about Tyson in his PRIME back when he was FAST, AGGRESSIVE and BRUTAL... nevermind that aside from Foreman he's the hardest hitting boxer alive. I guys some of these hardcore TapouT guys haven't seen Tyson's Greatest Knockouts DVD on youtube... show me an MMA fighter with a chin good enough to take a couple of direct shots from Mike in his prime... No one in MMA has hands like him, that's for sure. And if he was fighting in MMA he would obviously concentrate heavily on takedown defense because it's obvious that no one in their sane mind would stand and trade shots with him.
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You must not have watched many MMA fights....A good wrestler can shoot from 5 feet away and take you down. You name the top boxer in the world right now and they would be beat within 2 minutes by a top heavyweight MMA fighter.
TYSON WOULD HAVE BEEN EASILY BEAT.....
A wrestler or takedown artist may have beat him, but no way in hell any of the "strikers" in MMA would last one round with the Mike Tyson from 1988, no f%cking way ;)
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A wrestler or takedown artist may have beat him, but no way in hell any of the "strikers" in MMA would last one round with the Mike Tyson from 1988, no f%cking way ;)
Even if the first scenario happens, then what... the wrestler's gonna GnP a guy with a chin like Tyson !?! lol, the only way is submission, if Tyson can hold off till they're seperated and when they're standing again, the wrestler is a fucking dead man.
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wow... just... wow...
Have you even even done mma or wrestling? Because this is about as far from the truth as could possible.
Try punching a guy shooting for your legs on the chin. It pretty much impossible because you'll hit the top of his head. BFD, that won't knock anyone out. Oh, and a shoot against someone like Tyson(or any pure boxer in general) would be initiated OUTSIDE punching or kicking range. So no luck knocking him out from that distance either. Fight tactics are used in boxing as well as mma, but boxers don't have a tactic to counter mma-fighters, while (smart) mma-fighters do have for stand-up purists.
If people still think in this age, after all mma has proven, that a stand-up style purist still has any chance to beat modern mma-athletes other than what we in mma call "boxers chance", they are either complete imbecils or fanatic fanboys. There have been quite a few world class striker-purists that have been submitted without even the possibility to throw a single punch or kick.
Search for Ramon Dekkers only mma-fight(which was in pride or k1-heroes I think, ufc doesn't equal mma), a living legend in muay thai, probably the best p4p-thai fighter alive, but in mma the guy got completely toyed with and humiliated.
"What if they developped world class takedown defense".
Yeah, because that happens over night and completely doesn't need years of hard training and serious natural talent. What if I developped world class takedown defense, submissions and striking game... Why, I'd win every fight I'd enter! I found the holy grail of mma!
Unfortunatly it doesn't work that way.
The only way tyson would be a favourite in an mma fight would be when he fought a stand-up guy with very little offensive ground-game, like Tim Sylvia.
At least there is someone on this thread that has some MMA knowledge........
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At least there is someone on this thread that has some MMA knowledge........
I am speaking on pure stand up striking/boxing here. I'm sure if Tyson was on the ground and was put in a hold, he would tap. BUT, Tyson from 1986-1988, against ANY MMA striker in a standup position only, they would all get owned. I don't even see how you can argue that. Look at what he did to grown professional fighters with boxing gloves, now imagine taking a hit from him with a 4 oz. glove, insane. I beat Mike Tyson on Mike Tysons Punchout, so I am an expert on this subject ;D
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I'd give mike (the 80's version) a "punchers chance" against anyone within the first 30 or 40 seconds, and after that any MMA fighter worth his weight in shit would find a rhythm and have him off his feet.
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I am speaking on pure stand up striking/boxing here. I'm sure if Tyson was on the ground and was put in a hold, he would tap. BUT, Tyson from 1986-1988, against ANY MMA striker in a standup position only, they would all get owned. I don't even see how you can argue that. Look at what he did to grown professional fighters with boxing gloves, now imagine taking a hit from him with a 4 oz. glove, insane. I beat Mike Tyson on Mike Tysons Punchout, so I am an expert on this subject ;D
And if you put tyson against any Gracie in a grappling only fight, he wouldn't stand a chance as well.
It a no brainer that a prime Tyson would demolish any mma fighter in a boxing match. But it's also irrelevant, because it's mma. In mma, your weaknesses count for a LOT more than your strengths.
Also about the power Tyson could generate with his hands, I'm pretty sure top HW kickboxers or thaifighters like cro-cop or Bas Rutten can top it with a high kick.
Even if the first scenario happens, then what... the wrestler's gonna GnP a guy with a chin like Tyson !?! lol, the only way is submission, if Tyson can hold off till they're seperated and when they're standing again, the wrestler is a fucking dead man.
Even in the unlikely event of fighting a pure wrestler with no submission knowledge at all, if he couldn't knock tyson out, his face isn't made of steel. It would be beaten into bloody mess after awhile and the fight would be stopped. Being full mounted and getting your face pounded is imo the most discouraging position in mma, because if the guy is any good there's no way you can get him off, and the punches and elbows are very hard to avoid, turtling up is all you can do.
They won't be seperated unless the bell rings, if they aren't in a stalemate(I don't know how it's called in English, basicly both fighters can't find anything to advance their position) position. That's a possible 4.50 minute of pain. Nobody survives that.
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I'd give mike (the 80's version) a "punchers chance" against anyone within the first 30 or 40 seconds, and after that any MMA fighter worth his weight in shit would find a rhythm and have him off his feet.
You're giving an IN HIS PRIME TYSON a "puncher's chance"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Even in the unlikely event of fighting a pure wrestler with no submission knowledge at all, if he couldn't knock tyson out, his face isn't made of steel. It would be beaten into bloody mess after awhile and the fight would be stopped. Being full mounted and getting your face pounded is imo the most discouraging position in mma, because if the guy is any good there's no way you can get him off, and the punches and elbows are very hard to avoid, turtling up is all you can do.
They won't be seperated unless the bell rings, if they aren't in a stalemate(I don't know how it's called in English, basicly both fighters can't find anything to advance their position) position. That's a possible 4.50 minute of pain. Nobody survives that.
Yeah, you're totally right, what was I thinking.. a the HW boxing champion of the world with a glass jaw that can't take a few sloppy half ass shots from someone like Koscheck or another wrestler... a world champion that trains for 12 2-3 minute rounds of receiving pure blows to the head/face (aside from some bodyshots) yeah...he'd never survive a beating like that...
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Just to prove my point... this is with 16oz. boxing gloves... not 4oz. MMA gloves..
Hell, here's one more, just so you get the point..
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I really can't believe that Capt. Equip and myself are the only ones to think Tyson would do well....unreal..
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I really can't believe that Capt. Equip and myself are the only ones to think Tyson would do well....unreal..
No way dude, I do to ;D I'm no MMA guy or anything like that, even though I do watch it from time to time. But what I have noticed is that a lot of these MMA guys seem to think that no one can do well in their sport unless they were brought up in it. You see so much hate for guys that stepped in from other backgrounds, Lesner and Kimbo and this talk saying Tyson has a "punchers chance" in MMA, it just seems like unless you are some jui-jitsu guru or some other exotic fighting form you get no respect. At least thats the way it seems from an outside person looking in. Not trying to piss anyone off, just calling it the way I see it.
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cause your fucking delusional, his arms are short and fuck and he's short, someone like check kong would make him look like a schoolboy trying to hit a grown up..............LOW KICK.
Being able to punch does not make an MMA fighter, in fact its a fraction of what you need. Randy coutour's standin up punch hits at 500ibs..... i hit harder than that doesnt mean i stand a chance in hell
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cause your fucking delusional, his arms are short and fuck and he's short, someone like check kong would make him look like a schoolboy trying to hit a grown up..............LOW KICK.
Being able to punch does not make an MMA fighter, in fact its a fraction of what you need. Randy coutour's standin up punch hits at 500ibs..... i hit harder than that doesnt mean i stand a chance in hell
Thanks for proving my point in less than 2 minutes 8)
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cause your fucking delusional, his arms are short and fuck and he's short, someone like check kong would make him look like a schoolboy trying to hit a grown up..............LOW KICK.
Being able to punch does not make an MMA fighter, in fact its a fraction of what you need. Randy coutour's standin up punch hits at 500ibs..... i hit harder than that doesnt mean i stand a chance in hell
Are you fucking joking !??! Tyson is/was around 5'11 230lbs. rock hard... he'd break Cheick like a fucking popsicle stick... Look how many direct shots to the face it takes for an MMA fighter to knock someone out WITH 4oz. gloves... look how few shots it takes someone like Tyson to knock someone out with 16oz. gloves. You keep missing my points, you think MMA fighters have chins like pro boxer's ?!?! are you fkn joking me!!!? all you hardcore MMA'ers are fucking dreaming!!!
I've been doing some sort of fighting arts since I was 12, 3 years of karate, 3 years of muay thai, a year of Systema (Russian Military style) I started brazilian jiu jitsu about 4-5 months ago and prior to that did a year of private boxing lessons to get my power and technique better, I also have been working as a bouncer on the weekends for about 8 years now, so believe me I've been in and seen probably more fights that half the MMA guys you dream about (I'm talking REAL fights, not sparring in a dojo).
My point in the last paragraph? sparring jiu jitsu in a dojo does not equate to being in *REAL* fighting situations, but since you guys are all experienced cage fighters you'd know that!
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if tyson was smart (which he isn't) he would have trained for takedown defense for a year or two, then stepped in the octagon (hopefully dana would put him against another guy that likes to bang, say tim "the maniac" sylvia") and see what happens...but if they put him in there against lesner, then at least he would have a shot to stop the take down...
or how bout this
kimbo vs tyson!!!!
you're right, it would be much smarter for a guy who don't give a fuck about fighting anymore to start learning new skills, spend all day every day in the gym and take a multi-million dollar pay cut to go play with dana white and the trailer trash kids... ::)
prime tyson? i lmao at the moron that thinks anyone with shoot wrestling skills is just going to shoot in and take him down with little risk of getting tagged. that shit is fucking classic. ;D
can you say, "no idea or concept of reality fighting?"
what, do you and this 'mark kerr' gimmick have slumber parties at each other's house and engage in pillow biting fighting all night long???
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How would a boxing kangaroo fare in the UFC? I say the MMA guy would shoot (from 5 feet out :o), but the kangaroo would leap right over him and whack him with its tail. If the MMA fighter wasn't knocked out already, the kangaroo would then begin the deadly GnP. :o
It'd also be practically impossible to submit a good-sized kangaroo.
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you're right, it would be much smarter for a guy who don't give a fuck about fighting anymore to start learning new skills, spend all day every day in the gym and take a multi-million dollar pay cut to go play with dana white and the trailer trash kids... ::)
prime tyson? i lmao at the moron that thinks anyone with shoot wrestling skills is just going to shoot in and take him down with little risk of getting tagged. that shit is fucking classic. ;D
can you say, "no idea or concept of reality fighting?"
what, do you and this 'mark kerr' gimmick have slumber parties at each other's house and engage in pillow biting fighting all night long???
Thank you for the clarification! :)
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More kangaroo pwnage
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Yeah, you're totally right, what was I thinking.. a the HW boxing champion of the world with a glass jaw that can't take a few sloppy half ass shots from someone like Koscheck or another wrestler... a world champion that trains for 12 2-3 minute rounds of receiving pure blows to the head/face (aside from some bodyshots) yeah...he'd never survive a beating like that...
You're so far up tyson's ass it's blocking any realistic view. Believe what you may, I'm done converting fanboys. Be it pro-wrestling, tyson/ali or aikido...
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You're so far up tyson's ass it's blocking any realistic view. Believe what you may, I'm done converting fanboys. Be it pro-wrestling, tyson/ali or aikido...
You have 12 posts here, how many Fanboys have you converted?
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Why wouldn't Tyson know how to grapple, kick and all that?
Ok, he may not have specially trained those skills, but what I've understood is that, he has had his share of " no rules" fighting as well?
5'11" 230lbs maniac poverhouse might not stand a chance in UFC ring but add nbr1. talent on boxing to that...
Damn Mike - why did you let them screw it up for you!!
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he wasnt a fighter you fuckin loser he was a boxer, he never needed to train to defend anything other than arms while he was coming in the trade....more punches. A boxer is as much of a fighter as writer is a painter
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he wasnt a fighter you fuckin loser he was a boxer, he never needed to train to defend anything other than arms while he was coming in the trade....more punches. A boxer is as much of a fighter as writer is a painter
no, you're right, tyson was never a fighter. guy was mugging grown men at 8 years of age in the mean streets of brooklyn because he was good at poetry... ::)
i would so love to see one of you keyboard pillow biters fighters take on a prime 220lb fighting machine like tyson in a no holds barred. that would be a sight. can you say 1 second tops. let me see, you would shoot in and...get your head ripped off. ;D
remember when you 90lb tuff guys got together at one of your college wrestling slumber parties to watch trailertrash chuck own mr 'no holds barred' 'killing machine' wandigotnodefence and chuck shut him out with pure stand up BOXING skills while wandi headbutted his fists for a while before he got owned? well, imagine what a prime tyson would do on lead with the chin wandi with 5 ounce gloves? there is no way on god's green earth wandi would make it into the 1st 10 seconds before he goes whistling out of the ring minus the lower half of his mandible.
hope this helps some tuff girls. :-*
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he wasnt a fighter you fuckin loser he was a boxer, he never needed to train to defend anything other than arms while he was coming in the trade....more punches. A boxer is as much of a fighter as writer is a painter
Hahahaha you fucking retard, the reason Tyson got into boxing was because he was streetfighter/troubled youth and needed to put all his energy and aggression somewhere before going to adult jail.
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Hahahaha you fucking retard, the reason Tyson got into boxing was because he was streetfighter/troubled youth and needed to put all his energy and aggression somewhere before going to adult jail.
Looks like boxing stoped that from happening huh???
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Why wouldn't Tyson know how to grapple, kick and all that?
Ok, he may not have specially trained those skills, but what I've understood is that, he has had his share of " no rules" fighting as well?
5'11" 230lbs maniac poverhouse might not stand a chance in UFC ring but add nbr1. talent on boxing to that...
Damn Mike - why did you let them screw it up for you!!
Good point. Just become someone is a boxer doesn't mean they are unable to kick, knee, elbow, etc. Obviously someone who is not trained, will not do well on the ground, but they also won't just lay there like a slug either. Tyson's punches; whether he's on his feet, off-balance, or on the ground would still be harder than any UFC fighter can deliver in those same positions. With that being said here is how I think Tyson would stack up against a top UFC heavy weight:
In the boxing ring: Tyson without question.
In the cage: I'd give Tyson a 50/50 shoot.
On the street: I'd give the edge to Tyson.
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in his prime, i'd give Tyson the edge no matter what the venue of the fight. Period.
If fact, i'd go on to say that Tyson could still take many UFC "beasts" on today. As soon as one went in to do a takedown, BOOM!! Tyson by KO from a wild right.
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problem is, the only boxers we've seen enter the ufc are second rate ones, has-beens and never-weres.
what you have here is one guy who is unbeatable standing up vs a guy who is a 'jack of all trades'.
the more money that becomes available in mma, the higher calibre athletes like a prime tyson you will see rise to the top.
at this time, you just don't have the lineage, experience and skills set to produce anything but second rate fighters ie tim mongoloid silva. i'm sorry but fighters like mike tyson was at his prime do not lose fights to the time silvas of the world. no way, no how. eg. how many trainers in mma have the experience and fighting wisdom of a cus d'amato or angelo dundee? same with the corners, the teams, everything is just a mixed salad thrown together to produce mongrels.
at this point in time, the talent is still with boxing. ufc is going to need a lot more time and money before you see finely honed talent like tyson, mayweather and roy jones emerge.
what exists right now is dana white and a circus of trailer trash, never weres and mongoloids. just a small group of nobodies that just keep fighting each other for chump change until they retire from old age. sorry, but anyone who thinks that is top level competition needs to get a new pipe.
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People maybe dont realise that as soon as someone went in for Tyson ( if they had the balls to attack first ), hed have uppercutted them to the floor before they even knew it was thrown
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already mentioned indirectly.
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People maybe dont realise that as soon as someone went in for Tyson ( if they had the balls to attack first ), hed have uppercutted them to the floor before they even knew it was thrown
That was my whole point, but apparently the hardcore jiu-jitsu/wrestler fanboys think that their ufc heroes have jaws made of iron... not saying these guys have glass jaws, but a direct power shot from tyson is gonna put most people's lights out.
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I would love to have seen 80's Mike in a mma cage. I for one, refuse to think that he would walk out of a boxing ring and into the cage with no other training- that's just plain naive. Let's also not forget that punching is the first thing most people learn to do in fighting...and fights don't start on the ground. Also, most mma guys talk like every single mma fighter is perfectly balanced in their standup/clinch/groundwork. Let's also not forget the most important part- we're not talking about some average heavyweight boxer...we're talking about Tyson. People must forget about his speed, power and footwork. Those 4oz gloves won't be helping anyone. If I had to predict, he'd probably train and fight similar to Chuck (stay on his feet, and prevent takedowns)....who's gonna say that Chuck is a bad mma fighter? Just my opinion.
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Prime Tyson would be taken down, ground and pounded or submitted rather easily. The reason Chuck has such good takedown defense is because he wrestled D1, something Iron Mike didn't and wouldn't do. No way anyone would have stood in front of Iron Mike, everyone would have been shooting, working an ankle pick, inside trip. Wrestlers translate better to MMA than pure strikers.
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Prime Tyson would be taken down, ground and pounded or submitted rather easily. The reason Chuck has such good takedown defense is because he wrestled D1, something Iron Mike didn't and wouldn't do. No way anyone would have stood in front of Iron Mike, everyone would have been shooting, working an ankle pick, inside trip. Wrestlers translate better to MMA than pure strikers.
ok "american bulldog" ::)
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1.the only way mike Tyson will ever do mma is if he get paid minimum $10,000,000 which will never happen.
2. Tyson will fight similar to rampage or chuck and so far there doing pretty good against wrestlers.
3. no one will even step in the cage with him because everyone knows even a retired tyson who hasnt fought in years will still KTFO anyone.
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1.the only way mike Tyson will ever do mma is if he get paid minimum $10,000,000 which will never happen.
I disagree.
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3. no one will even step in the cage with him because everyone knows even a retired tyson who hasnt fought in years will still KTFO anyone.
i completely disagree with that asshole statement
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1.the only way mike Tyson will ever do mma is if he get paid minimum $10,000,000 which will never happen.
2. Tyson will fight similar to rampage or chuck and so far there doing pretty good against wrestlers.
3. no one will even step in the cage with him because everyone knows even a retired tyson who hasnt fought in years will still KTFO anyone.
I disagree with the whole post. I will give a rebutle for each one.
#1 Tyson would do gay porn for 10 million as of right now. Okay maybe not that far, but I bet you anything if Tyson was offered a flat million to fight we would see him back. The reason why Tyson doesn't do uFC is because No one is going to pay him anything over half a million in my opinion. (That's giving him some real credit.) Tyson wouldn't have a huge career in MMA he would be like old Mercer and if he losses his 1st fight then he is no longer a huge draw.
#2 Chuck and Rampage both have years of training. As mentioned by American Bulldog Chuck was D-1 Wrestler which is kind of a big deal. I don't care what D-1 school that's some tough shit.
Tyson has no training in take down defense. Nor does he have training in doing anything when it comes to the ground. He hasn't trained much to throw punches on the ground. I would imagine a similar thing to how Brock throws punches.(Hammer Fist)
#3 I gurantee there would be plenty of people willing to step in a cage with Tyson. Always remember there is someone bigger and Badder. We have already seen Evander beat his ass twice. Plus who wouldn't want Tyson on their record for a KO or Submission. I mean his name is still "Iron Mike Tyson." Didn't Tyson say in the PIN he had to fight a couple of times, if some convicts tried to fight Tyson and a whole bunch of "Can" boxers fought a prime Tyson why wouldn't an MMA guy?
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I disagree with the whole post. I will give a rebutle for each one.
#1 Tyson would do gay porn for 10 million as of right now. Okay maybe not that far, but I bet you anything if Tyson was offered a flat million to fight we would see him back.
I think so too.
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I disagree with the whole post. I will give a rebutle for each one.
#1 Tyson would do gay porn for 10 million as of right now. Okay maybe not that far, but I bet you anything if Tyson was offered a flat million to fight we would see him back. The reason why Tyson doesn't do uFC is because No one is going to pay him anything over half a million in my opinion. (That's giving him some real credit.) Tyson wouldn't have a huge career in MMA he would be like old Mercer and if he losses his 1st fight then he is no longer a huge draw.
#2 Chuck and Rampage both have years of training. As mentioned by American Bulldog Chuck was D-1 Wrestler which is kind of a big deal. I don't care what D-1 school that's some tough shit.
Tyson has no training in take down defense. Nor does he have training in doing anything when it comes to the ground. He hasn't trained much to throw punches on the ground. I would imagine a similar thing to how Brock throws punches.(Hammer Fist)
#3 I gurantee there would be plenty of people willing to step in a cage with Tyson. Always remember there is someone bigger and Badder. We have already seen Evander beat his ass twice. Plus who wouldn't want Tyson on their record for a KO or Submission. I mean his name is still "Iron Mike Tyson." Didn't Tyson say in the PIN he had to fight a couple of times, if some convicts tried to fight Tyson and a whole bunch of "Can" boxers fought a prime Tyson why wouldn't an MMA guy?
I'm going to bring up my statement from before.. how many MMA guys do you think have a chin that could take a few dead on shots from Tyson in 4oz. gloves ??.... everything else aside, just answer that question for me.. MMA fighters don't train for hard punching power like boxers do, yes they excel at other things but there's barely any MMA guys with iron chins and heavy hands (and no I don't consider chuck lidell to have heavy hands compared to a pro boxer at least..)
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I disagree with the whole post. I will give a rebutle for each one.
#1 Tyson would do gay porn for 10 million as of right now. Okay maybe not that far, but I bet you anything if Tyson was offered a flat million to fight we would see him back. The reason why Tyson doesn't do uFC is because No one is going to pay him anything over half a million in my opinion. (That's giving him some real credit.) Tyson wouldn't have a huge career in MMA he would be like old Mercer and if he losses his 1st fight then he is no longer a huge draw.
#2 Chuck and Rampage both have years of training. As mentioned by American Bulldog Chuck was D-1 Wrestler which is kind of a big deal. I don't care what D-1 school that's some tough shit.
1Tyson has no training in take down defense. Nor does he have training in doing anything when it comes to the ground. He hasn't trained much to throw punches on the ground. I would imagine a similar thing to how Brock throws punches.(Hammer Fist)
#3 I gurantee there would be plenty of people willing to step in a cage with Tyson. Always remember there is someone bigger and Badder. We have already seen Evander beat his ass twice. Plus who wouldn't want Tyson on their record for a KO or Submission. I mean his name is still "Iron Mike Tyson." Didn't Tyson say in the PIN he had to fight a couple of times, if some convicts tried to fight Tyson and a whole bunch of "Can" boxers fought a prime Tyson why wouldn't an MMA guy?
1. tyson use to make millions to fight so why would he fight for anything less. because he is poor and broke come on man he use to spend that in a roll of craps and he still has his pride not to fight for anything less.
2. i dont care if liddell was in d1 or wwf he wouldnt last 30 seconds with him in the ring, cage or a street fight. even if he is on the ground he will still knockout fighters.
3. in prison there is people who are doing life who dont got nothing to lose so i dont think anyone or anything scares them. tyson isnt an idiot to brawler with a lifer unless your serving something similar not 3years.
4. his last fight with lewis he got paid $30 million for a tyson not in his prime
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1. tyson use to make millions to fight so why would he fight for anything less. because he is poor and broke come on man he use to spend that in a roll of craps and he still has his pride not to fight for anything less.
In 2006 he opened his training to the general public for like 10 bucks a pop I think. If I remember correctly he fought some under publicized fight because he was broke.
http://boxing.about.com/b/2006/10/21/tyson-and-sanders-go-a-boring-four.htm
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1. tyson use to make millions to fight so why would he fight for anything less. because he is poor and broke come on man he use to spend that in a roll of craps and he still has his pride not to fight for anything less.
2. i dont care if liddell was in d1 or wwf he wouldnt last 30 seconds with him in the ring, cage or a street fight. even if he is on the ground he will still knockout fighters.
3. in prison there is people who are doing life who dont got nothing to lose so i dont think anyone or anything scares them. tyson isnt an idiot to brawler with a lifer unless your serving something similar not 3years.
4. his last fight with lewis he got paid $30 million for a tyson not in his prime
1. No boxing promoter would put him on a card. Could he even get licensed to fight in boxing now, what commision would issue him a license.
2. Lidell would put Tyson on his back just like he did Wandy.
3. NO relevance.
4. See answer number one.
Coltrane, I have seen Egan Inoue take down Dennis Alexio at will. Dennis wouldn't train with Egan after that. This is when "Kaheke" was the undisputed heavyweight kickboxing champ. Stand up fighters with no wrestling backround will end up on their backs all day. Renzo was able to take down a superior stand up fighter in Frank Shamrock, and Shamrock has takedown defense. Imagine how a one trick pony like a boxer would do? Not very well. Of course if you actually trained, you would know that.
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Sorry i'm not an "Mixed martial artist" like you bro. I did take Kung fu as a child if that counts. ;D
I'm sorry, i just don't see a dude "shooting" in on Tyson as easily as you all think. In his prime, Tyson was so fast and could hit the FASTEST of MOVING targets from ALL ANGLES. Believe what you want, but IMO he woulda dominated EASILY.
And as for Tyson in his prime versus Liddell? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Liddell would easily win? Dude, you must be on drugs and/or just naive
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Sorry i'm not an "Mixed martial artist" like you bro. I did take Kung fu as a child if that counts. ;D
I'm sorry, i just don't see a dude "shooting" in on Tyson as easily as you all think. In his prime, Tyson was so fast and could hit the FASTEST of MOVING targets from ALL ANGLES. Believe what you want, but IMO he woulda dominated EASILY.
And as for Tyson in his prime versus Liddell? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Liddell would easily win? Dude, you must be on drugs and/or just naive
Hahahaha...agreed totally! like his D-1 wrestling skills are gonna make a difference against a PRIME Tyson, or even better.. would love to see Chuck stand and try to bang with Tyson, Hahahahaha!!!! a jab from Tyson would knock Chuck out of the octagon and into 3rd row seats!
Especially after Chuck got KTFO by Rampage with what wasn't even a good or hard shot... you're telling me Rampage has power like Tyson ?!?!!? LOLOLOL
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Proof is in the pudding...
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Its super funny how these MMA dudes are downplaying the amount of talent, speed, and skill Tyson had. I'd bet money that Tyson today would still make Liddell look like shit.
Oh, but thats right....Chuck would "shoot in" and Tyson would be a goner. HA
Isn't boxing all about ring movement and avoidance in the first place?
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Proof is in the pudding...
absolutely awesome wrestling skills displayed there by chuck... ::)
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I haven't paid attention to this thread... I take it there's 2 sides?
Who's on each side respectively? I wanna take sides! :)
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Its super funny how these MMA dudes are downplaying the amount of talent, speed, and skill Tyson had. I'd bet money that Tyson today would still make Liddell look like shit.
Oh, but thats right....Chuck would "shoot in" and Tyson would be a goner. HA
Isn't boxing all about ring movement and avoidance in the first place?
yes boxing about ring movement and avoidance, but thats not tysons game
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lol i love how people say if he shoots him its over.
have any of yous ever been in a street fight the second he tries to shoot dont you think he could knee him in the the head or better yet punch him in the head and that would end it right there.
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I really can't believe that Capt. Equip and myself are the only ones to think Tyson would do well....unreal..
any boxer will openly tell ya he'd get his ass kicked in an MMA contest...
it's no secret einstien
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any boxer will openly tell ya he'd get his ass kicked in an MMA contest...
it's no secret einstien
whatabout kimbo
and thats EINSTEIN, you moron
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whatabout kimbo
kimbo can shampoo my crotch....
got any other stupid questions ?
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kimbo can shampoo my crotch....
got any other stupid questions ?
wouldnt it be even stupider to not ask a question smarty pants
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I haven't paid attention to this thread... I take it there's 2 sides?
Who's on each side respectively? I wanna take sides! :)
One side says Mike Tyson could kick ass in MMA the other side says no way.
Which side are you on?
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One side says Mike Tyson could kick ass in MMA the other side says no way.
Which side are you on?
whos on each side im used to be on the winning team
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whos on each side im used to be on the winning team
I don't know, I just joined this thread. Pretty boring really, a bunch of "what ifs".......I'm out.
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In 2006 he opened his training to the general public for like 10 bucks a pop I think. If I remember correctly he fought some under publicized fight because he was broke.
http://boxing.about.com/b/2006/10/21/tyson-and-sanders-go-a-boring-four.htm
Yeah it was in Vegas, we lived there and I went and watched. It was Tyson shadow boxing and hitting mitts. It was a fucking joke. We didn't even pay to watch it for the 15 minutes or so that we stayed. He boxed a guy in a exhibition match. The guy was paid to be Tyson's punching bag. It was shit I watched that fight to.
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lol i love how people say if he shoots him its over.
have any of yous ever been in a street fight the second he tries to shoot dont you think he could knee him in the the head or better yet punch him in the head and that would end it right there.
Don't you think if kneeing someone to end it was that easy that shooting wouldn't work in the ring? I would think if that techniuqe of yours was that effective then double legs and singles wouldn't be trained...
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Don't you think if kneeing someone to end it was that easy that shooting wouldn't work in the ring? I would think if that techniuqe of yours was that effective then double legs and singles wouldn't be trained...
It's a calculated risk that anyone shooting takes... it's about timing, if you do it right you'll knock the guys cause his whole head is open, if you're miscalculate you'll be on the ground... but then again with someone as crazy and powerful as Tyson I don't think you'd be able to mount, he'd be feeding serious jabs from the ground..
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....."IF" prime Tyson were to enter UFC after 1 year of MMA training, he should be able to achieve a decent win-loss record but he will never be a hall of famer...... :-*
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Who gives a FUCK! ;D
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Let me break this down for the fighting experts on GB. A power puncher gets his power by setting his feet. This is THE WORST thing to do against a good wrestler with a good single, double, high crotch, ankle pick. Tyson was not exactly known for fast footwork, particularly lateral foot work. The minute he plants his feet to throw a punch, the wrestler will change levels, enter with a penetrating step and Tyson would be too off balanced to throw a punch of consequence. You think Iron Mike can sprawl? You think he knows what the heck a cross face is, or to secure underhooks. How's his whizzer? Inside foot trip? He'd be on his back so fast, then someone would be breaking a limb off of him.
FMSR thinks his kid PBFJr is crazy to think about fighting MMA? I wonder why? Rick Roufus, a stand up fighter entered a Strikeforce event after six months of MMA training. Guess what, he got subbed by Maurice Smith, another striker who EASILY took him to the ground.
Did Iron Mike KO all of his opponents within a minute? Watch his fights, was he ever in the clinch with anyone? Once a boxer gets tied up in the clinch, the ref intervenes and seperates them. Why? Because the rules of engagement calls for it. A good Greco, Muay Thai fighter (Bluto can confirm this) or Judoka would have him eating knees, on his back easily.
There is a video floating around of Jeremy "Half Man/Half Amazing" Williams throwing Lennox Lewis around in a sparring session. Lennox is getting mad that his sparring partner, a judo black belt, professional boxer is doing this. And this is to the guy who DESTROYED Tyson. Boxers box, they are not made for MMA.
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Let me break this down for the fighting experts on GB. A power puncher gets his power by setting his feet. This is THE WORST thing to do against a good wrestler with a good single, double, high crotch, ankle pick. Tyson was not exactly known for fast footwork, particularly lateral foot work. The minute he plants his feet to throw a punch, the wrestler will change levels, enter with a penetrating step and Tyson would be too off balanced to throw a punch of consequence. You think Iron Mike can sprawl? You think he knows what the heck a cross face is, or to secure underhooks. How's his whizzer? Inside foot trip? He'd be on his back so fast, then someone would be breaking a limb off of him.
FMSR thinks his kid PBFJr is crazy to think about fighting MMA? I wonder why? Rick Roufus, a stand up fighter entered a Strikeforce event after six months of MMA training. Guess what, he got subbed by Maurice Smith, another striker who EASILY took him to the ground.
Did Iron Mike KO all of his opponents within a minute? Watch his fights, was he ever in the clinch with anyone? Once a boxer gets tied up in the clinch, the ref intervenes and seperates them. Why? Because the rules of engagement calls for it. A good Greco, Muay Thai fighter (Bluto can confirm this) or Judoka would have him eating knees, on his back easily.
There is a video floating around of Jeremy "Half Man/Half Amazing" Williams throwing Lennox Lewis around in a sparring session. Lennox is getting mad that his sparring partner, a judo black belt, professional boxer is doing this. And this is to the guy who DESTROYED Tyson. Boxers box, they are not made for MMA.
it is quite unbelievable that you think prime tyson didn't have good footwork, especially when compared to anything you've seen in mma comps, which is like comparing fillet mignon to burnt barbecued sausages. ;D
you mention his lack of skill in 'lateral movement'... ;D ;D ;D ;D lmfao...seriously, you must be joking, right?
obviously you have never competed in an mma comp. at least of any great importance, because to underestimate stand-up is suicide. think logically about this abd. if it was so easy to shoot in on a prime striker, why doesn't everyone just do that? why do fighters spend more time standing up than shooting in? how many opponents did you see just shooting in 'easily' on a prime belfort (who wasn't a great sprawler at his peak. his prime weapons were hands, footwork and, to a much lesser extent, bjj)? there are many many ufc fighters that are much better wrestlers and grapplers at lt. heavy than chuck, so why don't they just shoot in??? wouldn't they win easily due to their superior wrestling skills?
now, take chuck and belfort at their respective primes and x 1 million = prime tyson. i still can't get over your comments on tyson's footwork and lateral movement. you really have no idea do you? i once thought you were knowledgeable. seems all you know is bjj. :-\
yes, lennox lewis did get taken down in sparring as anyone would ie couture, fedor, ANYONE that thought they were boxing sparring.
lewis was grabbing on and working inside (a little lazily too...might have been late in session). of course, merely some judo skills would do the trick in that instance. again, you show your ignorance of mma by even mentioning this. btw, prime tyson didn't like sitting inside at all and he wasn't particularly good at it. he needed to create medium distance to allow his crisp uppercuts and left hooks, overhand rights, body rips, etc to take effect. of course NO ONE ever in ufc or pride has ever seen or, more importantly, felt the speed, power, timing and precision that these shots are going to detonate on their person and, with 5 ounce gloves.... :'(
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americanbulldog = pwned.
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it is quite unbelievable that you think prime tyson didn't have good footwork, especially when compared to anything you've seen in mma comps, which is like comparing fillet mignon to burnt barbecued sausages. ;D
you mention his lack of skill in 'lateral movement'... ;D ;D ;D ;D lmfao...seriously, you must be joking, right?
obviously you have never competed in an mma comp. at least of any great importance, because to underestimate stand-up is suicide. think logically about this abd. if it was so easy to shoot in on a prime striker, why doesn't everyone just do that? why do fighters spend more time standing up than shooting in? how many opponents did you see just shooting in 'easily' on a prime belfort (who wasn't a great sprawler at his peak. his prime weapons were hands, footwork and, to a much lesser extent, bjj)? there are many many ufc fighters that are much better wrestlers and grapplers at lt. heavy than chuck, so why don't they just shoot in??? wouldn't they win easily due to their superior wrestling skills?
now, take chuck and belfort at their respective primes and x 1 million = prime tyson. i still can't get over your comments on tyson's footwork and lateral movement. you really have no idea do you? i once thought you were knowledgeable. seems all you know is bjj. :-\
yes, lennox lewis did get taken down in sparring as anyone would ie couture, fedor, ANYONE that thought they were boxing sparring.
lewis was grabbing on and working inside (a little lazily too...might have been late in session). of course, merely some judo skills would do the trick in that instance. again, you show your ignorance of mma by even mentioning this. btw, prime tyson didn't like sitting inside at all and he wasn't particularly good at it. he needed to create medium distance to allow his crisp uppercuts and left hooks, overhand rights, body rips, etc to take effect. of course NO ONE ever in ufc or pride has ever seen or, more importantly, felt the speed, power, timing and precision that these shots are going to detonate on their person and, with 5 ounce gloves.... :'(
Tyson used Cus patented peek a boo style, hands up, chin down, elbows in the ribs bobbing and weaving. He used his jab as a probe, would slip inside or outside and throw BODYSHOTS. What made his peek a boo defense sooo effective was the size of the gloves (sixteen ouncers are better than five), the strength of his neck and how tight he could keep his elbows glued to his ribs. Where was Mike's great circular or side to side footwork when he fought Mitch Green? Exposed, hardly, just didn't match up well with Blood.
Chuck is hardly what I would consider an elite MMA striker. I used him simply because someone pontificated how Tyson's sprawl and takedown defense could be as good as him. Hardly. Just like Chuck would get killed by Iron Mike in a boxing match. Apples to oranges. Who was the great heavyweights Mike beat? Razor Ruddock? Trevor Berbick? Terrell Biggs? When he finally fought a boxer who could box, keep him at range, we saw him stuffing his mouthpiece into his mouth and loopy. That fighter was champ for only one year, and was embarassed by a juiced up light heavy.
Did Tyson have power in both hands, yes. Could he have transitioned to MMA as easily as you pontificate? No. Never fought MMA, did a couple of smokers and have had the opportunity to train with a lot of top guys. Egan could take Kaheke Alexio down at will, and he was not, nor is not top drawer wrestler. Kevin Randleman would have no trouble getting Tyson into the clinch, and take him down to GNP him for a TKO. ANY top wrestling based MMA fighter would love to have a shot at a stand up only fighter like Tyson. BTW, how well did Melvin Manhoef do when he crossed over? Peter Aerts? Stephen Leko? Mo Smith won the UFC title, but he is a .500 fighter. If he didn't learn the half guard game from TK he prolly would have a .250 win percentage. His game was to stall for the stand up. Name me one top fighter in MMA who relies strictly on his stand up game, and then to top it off, have no takedown defense, or clinch skills. That would be Iron Mike.
The reason so much time is spent in the stand up is because all fighters have takedown defense. You must not have competed at a very high level in MMA, now have you? We spend 20 minutes EACH practice on wrestling, and I train at a BJJ academy. So tell me again how Iron Mike would prevent the clinch, then defend the takedown when he has shown no proclivity to do this?
BTW, was Bas, an elite level striker WITH takedown defense taken down in the cage against TK? Did Kevin Randleman take Bas down at will? Was Nog able to get a takedown against an elite level striker like Mirko in the ring, against a fighter with GREAT takedown defense. You mention that Fedor would be taken down, guess what, Fedor can and will fight off his back. How many fights has he ended while in guard? Does Mike Tyson have a good closed guard game? A half guard game? An open guard game? Butterfly you say? Oh, thats right, he is a one dimensional striker with no kicking game, no clinch game, no wrestling, no ground, just phenomenal punching. And with that, he'd dominate in MMA? I THINK NOT.
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Tyson used Cus patented peek a boo style, hands up, chin down, elbows in the ribs bobbing and weaving. He used his jab as a probe, would slip inside or outside and throw BODYSHOTS. What made his peek a boo defense sooo effective was the size of the gloves (sixteen ouncers are better than five), the strength of his neck and how tight he could keep his elbows glued to his ribs. Where was Mike's great circular or side to side footwork when he fought Mitch Green? Exposed, hardly, just didn't match up well with Blood.
Chuck is hardly what I would consider an elite MMA striker. I used him simply because someone pontificated how Tyson's sprawl and takedown defense could be as good as him. Hardly. Just like Chuck would get killed by Iron Mike in a boxing match. Apples to oranges. Who was the great heavyweights Mike beat? Razor Ruddock? Trevor Berbick? Terrell Biggs? When he finally fought a boxer who could box, keep him at range, we saw him stuffing his mouthpiece into his mouth and loopy. That fighter was champ for only one year, and was embarassed by a juiced up light heavy.
Did Tyson have power in both hands, yes. Could he have transitioned to MMA as easily as you pontificate? No. Never fought MMA, did a couple of smokers and have had the opportunity to train with a lot of top guys. Egan could take Kaheke Alexio down at will, and he was not, nor is not top drawer wrestler. Kevin Randleman would have no trouble getting Tyson into the clinch, and take him down to GNP him for a TKO. ANY top wrestling based MMA fighter would love to have a shot at a stand up only fighter like Tyson. BTW, how well did Melvin Manhoef do when he crossed over? Peter Aerts? Stephen Leko? Mo Smith won the UFC title, but he is a .500 fighter. If he didn't learn the half guard game from TK he prolly would have a .250 win percentage. His game was to stall for the stand up. Name me one top fighter in MMA who relies strictly on his stand up game, and then to top it off, have no takedown defense, or clinch skills. That would be Iron Mike.
The reason so much time is spent in the stand up is because all fighters have takedown defense. You must not have competed at a very high level in MMA, now have you? We spend 20 minutes EACH practice on wrestling, and I train at a BJJ academy. So tell me again how Iron Mike would prevent the clinch, then defend the takedown when he has shown no proclivity to do this?
BTW, was Bas, an elite level striker WITH takedown defense taken down in the cage against TK? Did Kevin Randleman take Bas down at will? Was Nog able to get a takedown against an elite level striker like Mirko in the ring, against a fighter with GREAT takedown defense. You mention that Fedor would be taken down, guess what, Fedor can and will fight off his back. How many fights has he ended while in guard? Does Mike Tyson have a good closed guard game? A half guard game? An open guard game? Butterfly you say? Oh, thats right, he is a one dimensional striker with no kicking game, no clinch game, no wrestling, no ground, just phenomenal punching. And with that, he'd dominate in MMA? I THINK NOT.
you are a fighting idiot savante.
perhaps i should just point out your direct errors since, with your lack of general fighting knowledge, it is pointless to continue with anything else.
1. pro boxers have NEVER used 16oz gloves at a sanctioned bout...EVER. 10oz gloves are the norm and, as pointed out to you, it is widely known that a 5oz grappling glove is going to = more damage than a 10oz glove that prime tyson typically used.
2. tyrell biggs was a heavyweight olympic gold medalist in boxing. your assertion that he didn't know how to box merely points further to your delusion and ignorance, especially when, in the same post you refer to bas ruten (who wouldn't win a club tournament) as an 'elite striker' ;D
3. i can understand your lack of knowledge on striking arts but your assertion that ma fighters spend the majority of time standing up because they know how to sprawl is illogical and obtuse. if that was the case, why wouldn't the best shoot wrestlers simply shoot in all day until they beat the weaker grappler? oh shit, that's right, because they don't want to get tagged coming in. ::)
4. prime tyson had poor footwork and lateral movement? hmmm, any boxing expert will tell you that tyson's footwork and lateral movement were far far greater than ANYTHING we've ever seen at an mma contest. tyson was widely renowned for his lateral movement. it was exactly why he was so elusive for a short heavyweight and the basis for his angular attacks. he was taught by an expert that makes any trainer in mma look like your high school phys ed teacher and he became the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world because of it....but then, if tyson was so good why would he become a huge box office draw making 100s of millions dollars when he could make chump change playing with dana white and the trailer trash kids... ::)
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you are a fighting idiot savante.
perhaps i should just point out your direct errors since, with your lack of general fighting knowledge, it is pointless to continue with anything else.
1. pro boxers have NEVER used 16oz gloves at a sanctioned bout...EVER. 10oz gloves are the norm and, as pointed out to you, it is widely known that a 5oz grappling glove is going to = more damage than a 10oz glove that prime tyson typically used.
2. tyrell biggs was a heavyweight olympic gold medalist in boxing. your assertion that he didn't know how to box merely points further to your delusion and ignorance, especially when, in the same post you refer to bas ruten (who wouldn't win a club tournament) as an 'elite striker' ;D
3. i can understand your lack of knowledge on striking arts but your assertion that ma fighters spend the majority of time standing up because they know how to sprawl is illogical and obtuse. if that was the case, why wouldn't the best shoot wrestlers simply shoot in all day until they beat the weaker grappler? oh shit, that's right, because they don't want to get tagged coming in. ::)
4. prime tyson had poor footwork and lateral movement? hmmm, any boxing expert will tell you that tyson's footwork and lateral movement were far far greater than ANYTHING we've ever seen at an mma contest. tyson was widely renowned for his lateral movement. it was exactly why he was so elusive for a short heavyweight and the basis for his angular attacks. he was taught by an expert that makes any trainer in mma look like your high school phys ed teacher and he became the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world because of it....but then, if tyson was so good why would he become a huge box office draw making 100s of millions dollars when he could make chump change playing with dana white and the trailer trash kids... ::)
Name me a great fighter Biggs beat. Yes he won an olympic Gold (Tyson did not), but who did he beat? Good amateur, so so pro.
Roberto Duran, when he fought in Pancrase was taken down and submitted quickly. He was as good, if not a better fighter than Tyson, particularly when he fought at Lightweight. He dominated the lightweights and even won titles in junior middleweight and welterweight. When you are a one trick pony, which Tyson would be, you get exposed quickly.
Tyson won in dramatic fashion during a time there was NO DISCERNABLE fighter near his caliber. Many a boxing afficianado said what would take to beat Tyson is a boxer who could use length, the jab, tie up Tyson and frustrate him ala Ali. Guess what, someone did that and it was Buster Douglas, hardly Ali.
Lightweight Champ: BJ Penn, DESTROYED Bang Ludwig, a world class muay thai fighter by taking him down and submitting him.
Welterweight Champ: Matt Serra, world class submission fighter with heavy hands. NOT primarilly a striker
Middleweight Champ: Anderson Silva, world class striker with BJJ and good takedown defense. (The switch he pulled on Marquardt was text book wrestling)
Lightheavyweight Champ: Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, wrestler, with decent striking skills.
Heavyweight Champ: Big Nog, good boxer, world class BJJ player.
Where is the striking first champion? Does not exist. And a pure striker like Tyson would not be able to win at MMA. That is why they are two seperate sports. Could he be good? Yes. Would he dominate like he did when he was "Kid Dynamite?" No.
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The problem Mike would have is everyone knows the blueprint on how to beat him...
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A 20 year old Mike Tyson would have fucked some people up!! He had the neck of a bull and the power of one as well not to mention his speed!! If he hit you with the ufc gloves instead of a 16oz glove damn!! He probably would have broken his hands several times!!
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A 20 year old Mike Tyson would have fucked some people up!! He had the neck of a bull and the power of one as well not to mention his speed!! If he hit you with the ufc gloves instead of a 16oz glove damn!! He probably would have broken his hands several times!!
exactly
this is when tyson was motivated and interested in his craft as opposed to the latter version that spent more time just walking in and banging because he no longer gave a fuck.
i really don't see how people think you are just going to shoot in on one of the best strikers of all time with no fear of getting tagged coming in. ::)
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exactly
this is when tyson was motivated and interested in his craft as opposed to the latter version that spent more time just walking in and banging because he no longer gave a fuck.
i really don't see how people think you are just going to shoot in on one of the best strikers of all time with no fear of getting tagged coming in. ::)
True most guys have to take a shot to get their opponet down! It would be hard to take some of his punches especially with those smaller gloves! I'm talking a prime young Mike Tyson!!
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True most guys have to take a shot to get their opponet down! It would be hard to take some of his punches especially with those smaller gloves! I'm talking a prime young Mike Tyson!!
thing is, NOBODY just shoots in any more with the present top flight ma comps.
last guy i saw in an ma comp just using primarily shoot was kerr and don't forget 1. he was extremely quick (probably the most explosive and powerful shooter i've ever seen) 2. he was taking heavy doses of morphine and other pain killers to cope with eating strikes on the way in and 3. (most importantly) he NEVER faced a striker anywhere close to the timing, accuracy, power, balance and speed of foot and hand. no way on god's green earth would kerr shoot in on prime tyson with ease. no chance. no amount of morphine or steroids can stop your brain telling you it's time to go to sleep. tyson had perfectly timed and placed uppercuts, hooks, power in both hands, lateral movement (most striking opponents to kerr were straight ahead and up and down heavy weight kick boxers = lunch meat for kerr where one foot in air just meant easier take down..
i totally agree (as i have previously stated) that tyson is dead on the ground with a good grappler, but the theory that you just walk in and take prime tyson down is typical 5:30pm class bjj propoganda. the only guys i ever here completely dismissing a phenom like tyson are the delusional 3 times a week bjj champs that have never been in a full contact bout in their lives. they get deluded by their own hype.
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thing is, NOBODY just shoots in any more with the present top flight ma comps.
last guy i saw in an ma comp just using primarily shoot was kerr and don't forget 1. he was extremely quick (probably the most explosive and powerful shooter i've ever seen) 2. he was taking heavy doses of morphine and other pain killers to cope with eating strikes on the way in and 3. (most importantly) he NEVER faced a striker anywhere close to the timing, accuracy, power, balance and speed of foot and hand. no way on god's green earth would kerr shoot in on prime tyson with ease. no chance. no amount of morphine or steroids can stop your brain telling you it's time to go to sleep. tyson had perfectly timed and placed uppercuts, hooks, power in both hands, lateral movement (most striking opponents to kerr were straight ahead and up and down heavy weight kick boxers = lunch meat for kerr where one foot in air just meant easier take down..
i totally agree (as i have previously stated) that tyson is dead on the ground with a good grappler, but the theory that you just walk in and take prime tyson down is typical 5:30pm class bjj propoganda. the only guys i ever here completely dismissing a phenom like tyson are the delusional 3 times a week bjj champs that have never been in a full contact bout in their lives. they get deluded by their own hype.
Thank you!!! exactly what I've been trying to say this whole thread...
Prime Tyson had the mindset of a killer... this was warfare to him, he wasn't there to win, he was there to destroy.
Good luck not going down when Tyson hits you with a left or right hook on your way to shoot in... lol, the bout will be over by vicious knockout cause there's no way in hell you'll be getting up again.