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M-DROL same compound as superdrol - by Competitive edge labs
Compound : 2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol – 10 mg
any previous user's, is it beneficial and how is it compared to d-bol or anadrol??
thanks
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by the way, here is the lab results on it
http://www.competitiveedgelabs.com/images/m-drol_labanalysis.jpg
website of brand http://www.competitiveedgelabs.com/m-drol.aspx
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M-DROL same compound as superdrol - by Competitive edge labs
Compound : 2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol – 10 mg
any previous user's, is it beneficial and how is it compared to d-bol or anadrol??
thanks
It doesn't compare to d-bol or anadrol... the only thing that compares to d-bol and anadrol is d-bol & anadrol.
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I have never tried Anadrol.
But I have tried D-bol and Super Anadrol.
Super-drol was more powerful with almost instant results and no bloat compared to D-bol but a lot more toxic with some mean side effets, you are sick the whole time you are on it.
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I have never tried Anadrol.
But I have tried D-bol and Super Anadrol.
Super-drol was more powerful with almost instant results and no bloat compared to D-bol but a lot more toxic with some mean side effets, you are sick the whole time you are on it.
mean sides? like what extactly. how many mg daily were u taking where you achieved the results?
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no prohormone will be close to dbol or adrol.
also the mods dislike people talking about prohormones in this forum, check out the nutrition/supplements board for that.
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no prohormone will be close to dbol or adrol.
also the mods dislike people talking about prohormones in this forum, check out the nutrition/supplements board for that.
Most of the designer steroids available are real steroids with a higher mg for mg potency than most scheduled anabolics. Although it seems counterintuitive, and I don't blame you for the post, they are actually every bit in the same category as Dbol and Anadrol.
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BTW - Syntex developed Superdrol during the same experiments they developed Anadrol.
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BTW - Syntex developed Superdrol during the same experiments they developed Anadrol.
If that's the case, why did it take so long for superdrol to make headlines??, i'm just wondering why for the last 16 years i've heard all these stories about anadrol and then one day superdrol appears out of the blue.
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no prohormone will be close to dbol or adrol.
also the mods dislike people talking about prohormones in this forum, check out the nutrition/supplements board for that.
no problem, that was why i asked that question because i never heard of it and was unsure. some guy was trying to convince me it was better than dbol... how convincing :D i done the research and doesn't sound any good. thanks anyways
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no prohormone will be close to dbol or adrol.
also the mods dislike people talking about prohormones in this forum, check out the nutrition/supplements board for that.
Super Drol is a very real steroid called Methasterone it was release as a "pro hormone" to temporarily bye pass loop holes in the law.mean sides? like what exactly. how many mg daily were u taking where you achieved the results?
I was on 20mg a day.
Sides are nausea in the morning and a radically distented stomach
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If that's the case, why did it take so long for superdrol to make headlines??, i'm just wondering why for the last 16 years i've heard all these stories about anadrol and then one day superdrol appears out of the blue.
Because Syntex never marketed it. They just synthesized, assayed it, and left it, like MANY unused compounds (there are literally 1000+ known steroids that were never sold as drugs). The reference showing this is in my book if you'd like to check it out.
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i done the research and doesn't sound any good. thanks anyways
I am not trying to promote Superdrol by any means, as it is a very potent steroid that was never tested in humans for safety/efficacy.. But don't let anyone tell you it isn't a real anabolic steroid. Indeed it is.
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The funniest thing is, many people insist designer steroids aren't real steroids.. This view will undoubtedly change when some big news story hits about how the feds are raiding designer steroid markers, or passing laws to criminalize the possession of these drugs. Soon after, people will again be talking about the good old days when companies were skirting the law and illegally selling potent designer steroids under the guide of "dietary supplements"..
Don't let availably fool you. 1) They are real steroids and 2) They aren't actually legal to sell, and companies doing this are taking significant risks to bring you these products.
BTW - I have absolutely no financial stake in designer steroids. In fact, many would argue that their availability hurts the sales of arachidonic acid, which is arguable the most potent non-steroidal supplement. Just so you know my interest in telling you this: none.
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The funniest thing is, many people insist designer steroids aren't real steroids.. This view will undoubtedly change when some big news story hits about how the feds are raiding designer steroid markers, or passing laws to criminalize the possession of these drugs. Soon after, people will again be talking about the good old days when companies were skirting the law and illegally selling potent designer steroids under the guide of "dietary supplements"..
Don't let availably fool you. 1) They are real steroids and 2) They aren't actually legal to sell, and companies doing this are taking significant risks to bring you these products.
BTW - I have absolutely no financial stake in designer steroids. In fact, many would argue that their availability hurts the sales of arachidonic acid, which is arguable the most potent non-steroidal supplement. Just so you know my interest in telling you this: none.
So Bill, if X Factor is that good, why has it not taken off despite all the pro hormone crap out today?
Would you also agree that most of these little pro hormone companies are putting out crap products, most not even having the dose they say is in their product causing more damage than good? Not beating them up, but you obviously have inside info.
What dose do you suggest for X Factor, not for financial reasons, but for effectiveness. It is pretty pricey ya' know :-\
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So Bill, if X Factor is that good, why has it not taken off despite all the pro hormone crap out today?
Would you also agree that most of these little pro hormone companies are putting out crap products, most not even having the dose they say is in their product causing more damage than good? Not beating them up, but you obviously have inside info.
What dose do you suggest for X Factor, not for financial reasons, but for effectiveness. It is pretty pricey ya' know :-\
I wouldn't at all say that it hasn't taken off. Admittedly it was a long hard road for arachidonic acid, as would be expected for any new nutrient coming out with strong claims of strength gains, fat loss (body recomp really), and muscle growth. But after several years we're finally selling well, mainly based on word of mouth referrals from consumers. We have also licensed the product to 6 other companies including Gaspari, Universal, IDS, and Axis. So all in all I believe we are well past the tipping point for AA. The nutrient does work very well.
I do have extensive experience with prohormones, which come from the same supply channels as the present designer steroids. So I can give you my .02. I would agree that you have to be careful about quality control and testing your raw materials with steroid products coming from China. I think there are many companies that do this rigidly, and others that don't. So you will have a variety of perfectly dosed products, underdosed products, and products with ingredients not listed on the label out in the marketplace. The phrase "cheaper isn't always better" probably applies to some extent.
I still recommend 750-1,000mg of X-Factor (3-4 caps) per day for optimal results. If you want to experiment without a 2 bottle investment though, try running 500mg per day during a period when your training is very stagnant. You should be able to make good progress on this, which is half the max dose. I don't think the price is all that bad considering you do not need PCT, and the gains are strong and well retained. But admittedly in the face of cheap highly potent synthetic designer steroids it might not be the first option that comes to everyone's mind - but we're getting there.
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Good stuff, once again. Great insider info.
What about someone not using Designer Steroids but rather real, human grade AAS?
Still use X in PCT or in conjuction with current cycle?
I know a few guys that say it is the real deal but was expensive for the dosing. With your recommendations, not too pricey at all. Thanks for the info man, good to have you here! ;)
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Good stuff, once again. Great insider info.
What about someone not using Designer Steroids but rather real, human grade AAS?
Still use X in PCT or in conjuction with current cycle?
I know a few guys that say it is the real deal but was expensive for the dosing. With your recommendations, not too pricey at all. Thanks for the info man, good to have you here! ;)
I was thinking the exact same thing with the X-Factor. Maybe starting it 3 weeks before PCT begins so it is built up in the system.
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I was thinking the exact same thing with the X-Factor. Maybe starting it 3 weeks before PCT begins so it is built up in the system.
Yeah, but using it while on, how do you know if it is working or the gear?? Hmm....
Maybe save for after PCT when you are not running anything with it to determine if it is doing anything at all. I do think it is worth trying though...
If you do use it, post your thoughts/results in the Supp/Nutrition board and I will do the same. Sure the guys here are sick of reading about this supplement crap ;)
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Yeah, but using it while on, how do you know if it is working or the gear?? Hmm....
Maybe save for after PCT when you are not running anything with it to determine if it is doing anything at all. I do think it is worth trying though...
If you do use it, post your thoughts/results in the Supp/Nutrition board and I will do the same. Sure the guys here are sick of reading this about this supplement crap ;)
The reason for starting at 3 weeks prior to PCT is that I read it takes about that long for it to build up in your system so that way it would be hitting right when you need it. But yeah, I'll put it in the Supp forum if I go that route :)
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i know 3 guys who jumped on the prohormone bandwagon a few years ago and used superdrol, and didnt think it did much at all compared to dbol. two of them ended up with gyno, and were not happy with the results they got with it at all. they stick to real aas now
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they stick to real aas now
Can someone please explain to me how Superdrol is not a real AAS? Maybe I am missing something.. Does the FDA have to put it in a box with a big CIII stamp on it before you will believe this real steroid is actually a real steroid.
FAQ - I'm telling ya!
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Good stuff, once again. Great insider info.
What about someone not using Designer Steroids but rather real, human grade AAS?
Still use X in PCT or in conjuction with current cycle?
I know a few guys that say it is the real deal but was expensive for the dosing. With your recommendations, not too pricey at all. Thanks for the info man, good to have you here! ;)
Just use the term "Designer Steroid" and "Human Grade AAS" interchangeably. They are both the same exact drugs. It is just semantics.. One class has been approved by the FDA and the other was never offered up for approval, but still real AAS.
Admittedly they are rarely made to human grade USP standards, but that is an issue of purity and not effect. Effect/side effect wise Superdrol is sort of like Winstrol I would say.
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Then would you agree that even though super-drol is in fact a steroid, it doesn't sound like it's a "Human" grade steroid and from what I've heard from people that've used it, is that they feel very sick the whole time there on it... would you agree that there's much better choices of steroids "Designer" or "Human" to pick from than super-drol?
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Then would you agree that even though super-drol is in fact a steroid, it doesn't sound like it's a "Human" grade steroid and from what I've heard from people that've used it, is that they feel very sick the whole time there on it... would you agree that there's much better choices of steroids "Designer" or "Human" to pick from than super-drol?
These side effects are probably due to the very potent nature of this steroid. Superdrol is significantly liver toxic, and nausea may have been a result of hepatic strain (or other things). There is nothing about superdrol or any other steroid that would make it "vet" as opposed to "human" grade besides the purity of the raw materials, or the marketing/government approval of the drug itself. The drugs work similarly in vet/human patients.
I am not trying to promote superdrol by any means. It is both very potent and fairly toxic. I certainly don't have it in my supplement cabinet. What I am trying to stress is that this anabolic/androgenic steroid is every bit an anabolic steroid as dianabol, winstrol, etc. etc. etc. It should not be regarded as inferior, weak, or really any differently than other c17AA oral steroids. Scientists synthesized more than a thousand steroids over the years. Between 1% and 2% were developed into prescription drugs. That leaves the remaining 98-99% to be left in the research books, but many are still very potent and viable steroids. This is where todays designer steroids come from - a search of the old data. Remember, FDA approval wasn't a contest of what steroids were the "safest, best, etc". This is an industry, and prescription drug release happens only if drugs are pushed forward by big pharma.
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so w.llewellyn, do u really think u can get quality gains off of just 500mg of AA a day?
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Just use the term "Designer Steroid" and "Human Grade AAS" interchangeably. They are both the same exact drugs. It is just semantics.. One class has been approved by the FDA and the other was never offered up for approval, but still real AAS.
Admittedly they are rarely made to human grade USP standards, but that is an issue of purity and not effect. Effect/side effect wise Superdrol is sort of like Winstrol I would say.
To me, the "designer steroids" are not the same as human grade AAS. Not becuase of their chemical make up or effect but the fact that too many little shitty companies are putting out bad product. That is my problem with DS's. Unless we test each bottle before taking it, it is a crap shoot if you even get any active ingredients or a tainted product.
Same goes for gear. Some UG labs are ok but there were a lot that were underdosed, contaminated, etc, similar to some DS out there now. I do not dispute the chemical stucture or make up of these products but not the same as human grade.
One other thing, winstrol like superdrol? Sides from Superdrol are far greater than Winny IMO. The effect for me was not even close to the same thing.
Are there any DS companies you trust more than other so some of the guys here at least know what to stick with so they have less chance of using a crap product line?
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To me, the "designer steroids" are not the same as human grade AAS. Not becuase of their chemical make up or effect but the fact that too many little shitty companies are putting out bad product. That is my problem with DS's. Unless we test each bottle before taking it, it is a crap shoot if you even get any active ingredients or a tainted product.
Same goes for gear. Some UG labs are ok but there were a lot that were underdosed, contaminated, etc, similar to some DS out there now. I do not dispute the chemical stucture or make up of these products but not the same as human grade.
One other thing, winstrol like superdrol? Sides from Superdrol are far greater than Winny IMO. The effect for me was not even close to the same thing.
Are there any DS companies you trust more than other so some of the guys here at least know what to stick with so they have less chance of using a crap product line?
Yup, there was a big stink recently about CEL's products being DHEA and not the Superdrol/Mdrol/Pheraplex clones they were supposed to be. I'll pass on any of that shit because a lot of these companies hire out manufactures in China and the process to create these compounds isn't exactly easy to do and much easier to fuck up as in the CEL case.
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so w.llewellyn, do u really think u can get quality gains off of just 500mg of AA a day?
Yes, definitely. We recommend the higher dose because we want to see maximum results, but you can make substantial progress on less, especially during a period of training stagnation (this is the best time to notice the full benefits of AA supplementation).
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I'll pass on any of that shit because a lot of these companies hire out manufactures in China and the process to create these compounds isn't exactly easy to do and much easier to fuck up.
I can't argue with this general info, as it is true that product purity is waning due to tightened up supply. I can't really comment on what brands to trust, as I don't want to promote some companies at the detriment of others. But there are definitely companies out there still putting out pure products. And admittedly some really crap products too..
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where can i get this x-factor stuff what store n what do i ask for i would like to try it
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Mr. Llewellyn this is great info. thanks
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I wouldn't at all say that it hasn't taken off. Admittedly it was a long hard road for arachidonic acid, as would be expected for any new nutrient coming out with strong claims of strength gains, fat loss (body recomp really), and muscle growth. But after several years we're finally selling well, mainly based on word of mouth referrals from consumers. We have also licensed the product to 6 other companies including Gaspari, Universal, IDS, and Axis. So all in all I believe we are well past the tipping point for AA. The nutrient does work very well.
I do have extensive experience with prohormones, which come from the same supply channels as the present designer steroids. So I can give you my .02. I would agree that you have to be careful about quality control and testing your raw materials with steroid products coming from China. I think there are many companies that do this rigidly, and others that don't. So you will have a variety of perfectly dosed products, underdosed products, and products with ingredients not listed on the label out in the marketplace. The phrase "cheaper isn't always better" probably applies to some extent.
I still recommend 750-1,000mg of X-Factor (3-4 caps) per day for optimal results. If you want to experiment without a 2 bottle investment though, try running 500mg per day during a period when your training is very stagnant. You should be able to make good progress on this, which is half the max dose. I don't think the price is all that bad considering you do not need PCT, and the gains are strong and well retained. But admittedly in the face of cheap highly potent synthetic designer steroids it might not be the first option that comes to everyone's mind - but we're getting there.
Let me know if I am wrong but doesn't Arachidonic Acid cause inflammation. Inflammation is not what one want to occur in the body, it is damaging.
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Anyone know of any legal designer supplement steroids that are comparable to Winstrall?