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Getbig Female Info Boards => Womens Physique, Bodybuilding, Wellness and Training => Topic started by: ripitupbaby on April 27, 2008, 09:04:28 AM
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I'm going to give a few fat burners a try this week, just to see if I may be able to hang with them during my contest prep this year.
I am generally a wuss when it comes to OTC fat burners. I can't stand ephedra and the way it makes me feel...I usually end up throwing up when I take it. Last year, I fell in love a combo of Gaspari's Third Degree Burn and Thermogenic Thyrotabs. I took it for the last 6 weeks of my contest prep, and it totally kicked ass. Both products have been discontinued. >:(
I have enough Third Degree Burn left to run it for the last 5-6 weeks of my prep again this year, and enough Thyrotabs for about the last 5 weeks, so I will run those again. But I am looking for something to run for 6 weeks or so a little earlier in the prep...like from about 16 weeks out - 9 or 10 weeks out.
I've got Gaspari's Cytolean to try out (only a sample which I will try for 2 days), and also At Large Nutrition's NITOR. NITOR has very similar ingredients to Third Degree Burn, so I am very interested in trying that one....the main ingredient in both (other than caffeine) is DHEA, which I am a fan of.
I'll let you know what I try and what I think of it.
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why not lipo6?
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I am on my 8th day of MHP Dren. I don't know how well it burns fat yet but I feel super alert I actually don't mind doing the cardio. Cytolean was good for me too especially for killing mid day appetite.
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Try Adderall Rip, 20 mgs. and you won't be hungry all day. Plus it's great for mental concentration.
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I am also sensitive to Fat burners.
We can still get ECA here with out to much hassel but the Eph freaks me out, I actually get Eph rage.
LIPO 6 made me hurl because of the ALA but others have had good results with it.
Cytolean made me feel depressed and it was meant to make me feel happy >:(
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The Cytolean at full dose (3) works good for me as far as energy goes....let us know how it works for you.
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get palumbos lypolyze
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Dont play with that stuff, waste of money IMO, plus you will have headaches and feel like sh*t. Who can stay jacked on caffine 24/7? Certianly not me. Just get some Clenbuterol, start slow and work up. Its all you will need, start at 10-8 weeks and take it all the way through to show day, straight through no cycling of it.
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Plain ol' inexpensive and proven ECA.
1) Ephedrine HCL (25mg) "Google"
2) 1 No Doz tablet or Vivarin tablet (caffeine 200mg)
3) Baby aspirin (81mg)
** If you don't like stimulants that much then cut it down a little. Ephedrine HCL is available in 12.5mg tabs or you can break a 25mg tablet in half. Same with the caffeine tab.
4) Acetyl l-carnitine (500mg)
5) Green Tea extract (250mg)
Combine all of that together. All five capsules/tablets. 30 minutes before early morning cardio. Use ONLY before morning cardio and never any other time of the day.
Feel free to add in a serving of BCAA capsules and 5g of l-glutamine, pre-cardio. Keep a steady flow of amino acids in the blood steam at all times.
It's more cost effective than a Lipo 6 or a Hydroxycutt bottle. Also more effective. Probably. I would reccomend SPECIES Nutrition 'Lipoleyze' and the PM formula known as 'Somaleyze'.
Just my TWO cents, Ripit...
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I would also(if I were you) incorporate a NON-stimulant fat burner. 1 serving with 2 or 3 of your solid meals throughout the entire prep.
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm willing to try a few out right now and see what I like.
I cannot do ephedrine, so the ECA stack is out.
I'd like to try Lypolyze for sure, but I don't want to buy a bottle of it. I'm going to talk to Jenny about it and see how she likes it...and maybe steal some from her when I see her in 3 weeks. I'm going to see Palumbo next weekend, but I don't know whether we're on good terms at this point. :-\
Tomorrow I'll try the Cytolean.
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I bought some of Palumbo's line today, I will let you know what I think when I try them.
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I bought some of Palumbo's line today, I will let you know what I think when I try them.
Thanks, alex, I'd love to hear what you think. Also flexington, if you've given it a try for a few days.
I popped two Cytoleans before morning cardio. It's hard for me to tell the effects right now...it usually takes a meal and a little while for me to get back to a resting heart rate, etc. but I will say that I felt pretty damn good for the first time in a long time this morning, about 20 mins into my cardio (which is usually when I feel like quitting). I have a third one which I will take mid-morning, and then we'll see how the day goes.
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I like the ALR Venom (and i have tried them all at one time or another)
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Clenbuterol.......what is it, is it good for the average weight trainer, is it legal, where do you get it, is it for males and females, etc. Can someone please fill me in and I thank you in advance.
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Clenbuterol.......what is it, is it good for the average weight trainer, is it legal, where do you get it, is it for males and females, etc. Can someone please fill me in and I thank you in advance.
Drug,no,no,u can't,no,and no.................
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Mike, with all those stars you can do better than that. Or do I have to wait for RIP to give me an intelligent and thoughtful response. Then again maybe she's mad at me for the shirt thing.
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Clenbuterol.......what is it, is it good for the average weight trainer, is it legal, where do you get it, is it for males and females, etc. Can someone please fill me in and I thank you in advance.
A Drug,it works yes,no,"friends"works for both males and females.........
Clenbuterol is a very widely used drug and has quite a reputation. A good one among athletes and recreational users, and a very bad one among those people who know very little about illegal performance enhancing aids. Its not a steroid. In fact, the only medical use for which clenbuterol is generally prescribed (and now being less and less prescribed thanks to its illegitimate use) is for obstructions of the air-way. People with chronic breathing disorders like asthma use this as a bronchodilator to make breathing easier. But its only one of the many things that can be achieved with the use of clenbuterol.
In terms of action this drug is best likened to the now also illegal ephedrine and its legal replacement, ma huang. All of them operate mainly by increasing the manufacture and secretion of catabolic hormones known as cathecholamines (like dopamine, epinephrine (adrenaline) and norepinephrine (noradrenaline)) which are secreted from the adrenal region. Now these hormones have a wide variety of functions. First of all they seem to alter the contractile characteristics of smooth muscle, but very specifically. Some will apparently be stimulated, and others inhibited. Amongst those inhibited, the smooth muscles in the bronchial tree, which explains its soothing effect in patients with breathing problems. What it also does is increase thermogenisis. This usually encompasses a rise in blood pressure, a stimulatory effect of the heart muscle and a resulting rise in body temperature.
Along with the reversing of the effects of insulin (and inhibiting the action of insulin) which results in a release of glycogen back into the blood stream as glucose and an inability to store or use more glycogen, it will increase the rate of protein and fat being burned in the body. For bodybuilders that appears to be the primary use of the drug. This thermogenisis and an increase in the rate of fat being burned usually has as a result that the metabolic rate of the subject its much higher and he burns more calories. This in turn results in loss of adipose tissue (the shedding of fat in other words) revealing a leaner physique with cuts and striations. The downside to this effect is that there is a concomitant rise in the rate of protein being burned. Where fat is robbed from the fatty tissue in the body, protein is generally robbed from the muscle. As with all catabolic hormones, in time muscle loss can and will occur. Which is why many opt to use this compound during a cycle of anabolic steroids that will help preserve the lean body mass while reducing the fat.
Among the other actions that cathecholamines have is an increase in aerobic capacity (facilitated by the easier breathing), a stimulation of the nervous system (facilitated by norepinephrine and acetylcholine release) and thus the skeletal muscle system, an increase in oxygen transportation (facilitated by the increased blood pressure) and an increase in vigil. These characteristics in turn combine to make this drug particularly interesting for athletes doing endurance sports and needing a boost. Especially in middle-long running numbers, this drug is widely abused and its no secret that in cycling circles clenbuterol in liquid form is combined with a painkiller and the drug EPO (synthetic erythropoeitin, a renal hormone) which increases the manufacture of red blood cells. It is then injected along the road, thereby avoiding positive tests prior to the race. Needless to say such a cocktail is very hazardous to the cardiovascular system. Just to demonstrate the wide use of this drug and its immense popularity among athletes, observe the US Olympic team. Exercise-induced asthma is an afflmiction that generally occurs in 3-7% of the population, and is in some rare cases treated with clenbuterol. In 2000 60% of US Olympic athletes claimed to have exercise-induced asthma and ALL of them were prescribed clenbuterol for this condition. An otherwise illegal drug, tolerated solely for this reason. And this while the Romanian gymnast Andrea Raducan was stripped of her gold medal for the 25 µg of norephedrine in her cold medicin she was taking...
In several animal studies1,2,3 Clenbuterol was also shown to act as an anabolic, believed to be able to impart muscle gains. This was never demonstrated in humans4 however, and there is more evidence that its effect on catabolic hormones invokes the opposite. In any case, the animal studies used much higher doses5 then one would safely recommend for humans. The late Dan Duchaine, by many held in high regard as a steroid guru and a former writer of the now defunct MM2K, believed it had something to do with the stimulation of a third beta receptor, which was different in humans as opposed to other mammals, and that this was the reason humans did not receive any anabolic benefits. As with most of what Dan said, this is very questionable, but one of many possible explanations in a debate that still rages on. Despite the many claims of other bodybuilders that still swear it has some form of anabolic action, I must say I've seen enough proof to the contrary to strongly advise against buying clenbuterol for promoting muscle mass. You may be more than sorely disappointed. Next time you see a 230 pound, 6 foot top-level cyclist, let me know and I may change my mind.
Clenbuterol, when used for its fat-burning properties is best used in a pyramid scheme. Slowly building up the dose may be more important that tapering off of it, as most first time users will rarely if ever know how they will react. Because of the effects on blood pressure its best to start with 20-40 µg per day and slowly work your way up increasing the dose every 3 days by 20 µg, to a maximum of 120-160 µg (most find 80 µg to be adequate). Its also best not used for long periods of time. Body homeostasis seems to negate the excitatory and inhibitive functions of clenbuterol over time, creating a complacency effect. It loses most of its nerve stimulation and fat burning benefits after 3-4 weeks, and using it longer on end would be futile. The user is best to discontinue use for an equal period of time and then recommence again.
Another thing people should be aware of is the inherent liver toxicity associated with clenbuterol use. When stacking with oral 17-alpha-alkylated steroids, accutane, anti-biotics or other hepatoxic elements, one should have his liver values checked by a licensed physician at regular points in time to avoid all problems. If you not a yellow discoloration of the skin cease use immediately and contact your doctor.
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For a moment I was thinking Laura was the only smart one in that house. Thanks for doing some reasearch for me, I appreciate the time. I'm looking for kind of an insiders view or opinion, not neccessarily the clinical version. I'm very confident that you or RIP, two who know their way around, could help. Thanks again, hope Laura is feeling well as she always looks very well.
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VENOM - I'm not too impressed with what I saw Laura Lee deal with after taking some VENOM. :-\
I know that was something else, but it clearly affected her heart rate, etc, so it makes me think it would probably make me quite jittery. Can you provide some more info, Mike.
CLEN - That's a pretty good clinical description of it. I would recommend checking with the folks on the Steroid Board for more info and personal experiences...there are several good threads there about clen. Also, Luv2hurt may be able to share some additional info. It's not a steroid, but it is a banned substance and cannot be used for drug-tested shows.
CYTOLEAN - I took two this morning before cardio, as I mentioned. I felt pretty good all morning. It kind of made it hard to eat my breakfast, so I just saved 1/2 of breakfast and ate it about an hour later. I took a third cap at about 11 AM and felt pretty cranked up after that. It's 3 PM now, and I am feeling OK but still a little cranked. Not too bad though...it didn't give me the jitters or make me feel sick. It DID make me very thirsty, which is usually a sign that something's working, so that's not all bad. I didn't get that euphoric feeling that some people have mentioned, although like I said, I felt pretty good all day, which works for me considering I got up at 5:30 to do cardio and I am dieting.
I'm willing to give Cytolean a go for a few days and see how it feels. I only had one sample (three caps) of Cytolean, so I need to get some more from a friend of mine this weekend and try it out for 3-4 days. It says not to take more than 4 caps a day, but the sample comes with three caps. I may try two in the morning before cardio and then two in the afternoon if I can get my hands on more of it.
Tomorrow I am going to start on the NITOR at a LOW dose, and I will take it for 3-4 days to see how it goes. I find that I don't really fully understand how fat burners make me feel until I am on them for at least a few days.
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For a moment I was thinking Laura was the only smart one in that house. Thanks for doing some reasearch for me, I appreciate the time. I'm looking for kind of an insiders view or opinion, not neccessarily the clinical version. I'm very confident that you or RIP, two who know their way around, could help. Thanks again, hope Laura is feeling well as she always looks very well.
the "no bs" truth = Clen works (and works well) (be careful not to "overdose"/go slow and with caution)
my personal opinion is you can get almost as good results with an OTC fat burner like Venom(and it's much safer!)
leave the Clen for the competing bodybuilders(as it's just not worth the risk)
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the "no bs" truth = Clen works (and works well) (be careful not to "overdose"/go slow and with caution)
my personal opinion is you can get almost as good results with an OTC fat burner like Venom(and it's much safer!)
leave the Clen for the competing bodybuilders(as it's just not worth the risk)
Thanks, I'll take that advice as I do value it coming from you. That's what I was looking for... the no b.s. view.
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Clen has become very popular with Hollywood celebs for fat loss. ::)
Mike, what is it about VENOM that you like so much? What are the primary ingredients?
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Clen has become very popular with Hollywood celebs for fat loss. ::)
Mike, what is it about VENOM that you like so much? What are the primary ingredients?
The "buzz" or the energy it gives me (with no crash!).............it's strong (i like that!)
it's also very "smooth" meaning no "jitters"................just a nice warm "flushing" feeling and energy
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With Clenbuterol having a long half life about 1.5 days its main advantage is it will be working around the clock. You have to be taking an ECA stack around the clock to even come close to clens effectiveness, so guess what? with OTC stuff and ECA if you try that you will not be doing any sleeping. ECA will have your heart rate increased more than clen also so it is going to be more uncomfortable. There are other advantages to clen also but will not get into them here.
Personally I hate that stimulant type feeling of being jacked on speed and the fact it is hard to sleep. ECA has a short half life of 3-4 hours, so soon after that you have to take more to keep the effect going. Pretty much better take your last dose of ECA around 6 hours before bed time or you will have trouble sleeping. During this time ECA is not working, but with clen you will still be burning fat and sleeping like a baby.
People make taking clen too complicated trying to cycle it and all this stuff with Benydril. Just get on and stay on it at about 6 weeks clen will be making some real changes in your BF % IME 8-10 weeks is fine. Studies have shown significant fat loss still occurring at 6-8 weeks, so the theory it stops working in a short time is not true.
If you wanna take it I would recommend starting slow and ramping up. You may feel a little jittery and buzzed at first but in a few days your body will acclimate and you will be fine, just don't go trying to build a watch or something LOL.
This is my ramp up protocol. day 1 morning 20mcg, afternoon 20mcg. Day 2 same as day 1. Day 3 30mcg morning, 30mcg night. Day 4 same as day 3. And so on ramping up 20 mcg every 2 days till you get to about 100mcg total per day. Some may like a bit more or less than this but 100mcg is pretty effective.
Please be careful and know what you are doing when you measure it out, you don't wanna take more or less than you think you are taking. Have heard some bad stories about people not knowing what they are doing and take like 2-3 times too much. Know how the clen you have is dosed and do the math.
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Thanks for the info, Luv. :)
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Glad that you are trying a few out and if you find one you like that I can take let me know. I did like the Yohimbine Bark Extract in combo with Dialed-In...
Take a few for me, trying to stay away from caffeine and fat burners this week. It is stinky!
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If you are sensitive to these products, there are some non-stimulant fat burners out there. I never used any stimulants and was still able to get lean. Long term use of stimulants leads to eventual adrenal exhaustion. When the adrenals don't function properly it acan affect blood pressure, heart rythym, and worse of all, systemic inflammation. When you have a lot of inflammation, that can lead to auto-immune disorders like Lupus and Multiple Sclerosis. The hardcore folks will laugh at this, but I have pretty good knowledge of the Adrenals and Chronic use of powerful stimulants will eventually screw them up. A little caffeine in the morning is ok, if not overdone.
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Alot of good info in this thread. Aside from being a caffeine addict, I agree that taking stimulant-based fat burners for a long period of time is not a good idea. During my contest prep, I usually take them for 6 weeks MAX, and then lay off for at least 4-5 weeks, and then start a different kind for another 6 weeks. I never take them off-season, so as of now, I haven't taken anything since last June.
What's good in terms of non-stimulant fat burners?
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I tried out the NITOR yesterday... Chris Mason sent me a bottle. It's the one with DHEA, which I like. I took two in the morning before cardio and another two at like 2 PM. I was pretty cranked all day but not jittery at all, and it didn't make me feel sick. I did get a massive migraine at the end of the day, but that was unrelated (I get them pretty regularly and have specific triggers).
So I gotta give it a couple more days to see what I really think. Gonna try again today (although I skipped cardio this morning) and tomorrow as well.
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Alot of good info in this thread. Aside from being a caffeine addict, I agree that taking stimulant-based fat burners for a long period of time is not a good idea. During my contest prep, I usually take them for 6 weeks MAX, and then lay off for at least 4-5 weeks, and then start a different kind for another 6 weeks. I never take them off-season, so as of now, I haven't taken anything since last June.
What's good in terms of non-stimulant fat burners?
LipoTrim by NOW Nutrition or even LEAN OUT by Beverly International.
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LipoTrim by NOW Nutrition or even LEAN OUT by Beverly International.
I've actually been very interested in trying out LEAN OUT by Beverly, so I may add that to my short list.
So here's the Update... I used NITOR for the last two days...but I had two really rough days and didn't feel well at all. I don't think it was from the NITOR, I think it was just coincidence, so I'm reserving judgement. I'm off everything today, and I'm gonna wait until I feel better and try it again for a couple of days, hopefully this weekend, so I'll let you know what I think when I've given it a fair shake. :)
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LipoTrim by NOW Nutrition or even LEAN OUT by Beverly International.
I have been using a lot of the NOW nutrition products, mainly Vitamins, Mins and EFAs. They make quauality products from what i can tell, I also get thier raw almonds which are priced the best i have seen, less than $5 a pound.
I have just statred using thier whey isolate protein, seems pretty good and was reasonable. I like they are a local company too.
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I have been using a lot of the NOW nutrition products, mainly Vitamins, Mins and EFAs. They make quauality products from what i can tell, I also get thier raw almonds which are priced the best i have seen, less than $5 a pound.
:o Are they fresh? :o
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I've actually been very interested in trying out LEAN OUT by Beverly, so I may add that to my short list.
So here's the Update... I used NITOR for the last two days...but I had two really rough days and didn't feel well at all. I don't think it was from the NITOR, I think it was just coincidence, so I'm reserving judgement. I'm off everything today, and I'm gonna wait until I feel better and try it again for a couple of days, hopefully this weekend, so I'll let you know what I think when I've given it a fair shake. :)
My only gripe about LEAN OUT by Beverly is that Beverly is a little pricey and 1 bottle will only last you about 10-14 days if you use it they way they prescribe. I say use it but cut their dosage in half. They reccomend 6 capsules per serving 2-3 times a day. I would go 3 caps with 3 of your solid food meals. Stretch your dollar...
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:o Are they fresh? :o
Yes they come in 1lb sealed bags with a zip top for after you open them. Ive been using about a LB a week lately of them.
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Yes they come in 1lb sealed bags with a zip top for after you open them. Ive been using about a LB a week lately of them.
Sweet! My problem is that I end up eating about a LB per sitting. :-[
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Sweet! My problem is that I end up eating about a LB per sitting. :-[
LOL actually thats why I have been having a bit more almonds, to replace my good/evil Peanut butter LOL. I can blow thru a 1/2 jar of natural chunky ;D PB in about 7 mins. :'( before i know it 1500 calories! With the nuts I eat less cause they are harder to eat, so i probally end up eating about 2 servings of the almonds compaired to 8 servings of PB.
Training belt straining to get 4 holes showing :'( Precontest its at 7 showing :'( Gotta get that sucker to 6 :'( I think I better cut back on the cheese burgers too :'(
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plz don't suggest drugs to rip guys, such as someone mentioned clenbuterol, keep her healthy plz, she is a great gal.
jt
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plz don't suggest drugs to rip guys, such as someone mentioned clenbuterol, keep her healthy plz, she is a great gal.
jt
Champions use drugs...posers do not. Not much more to say IMO.
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Alot of fat burners are drugs, including all of the stimulant-based ones. Caffeine is a drug.
Fat burners that were banned like clen, IMO, were banned primarily because the general population is ignorant and mis-informed, so use turns into abuse pretty quickly....at which point side effects cause some unfortunate things to happen, and people freak out and ban the substance. That's what happened to ephedra at one point. That's why it's really important to educate yourself...if you're gonna use something (anything!), then use it wisely. 8)
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wise words Rip
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Alot of fat burners are drugs, including all of the stimulant-based ones. Caffeine is a drug.
Fat burners that were banned like clen, IMO, were banned primarily because the general population is ignorant and mis-informed, so use turns into abuse pretty quickly....at which point side effects cause some unfortunate things to happen, and people freak out and ban the substance. That's what happened to ephedra at one point. That's why it's really important to educate yourself...if you're gonna use something (anything!), then use it wisely. 8)
Not to mention that lawmakers are all about making that money! Pharmecutical companies lost LOTS of money when epedra was sold at every gas station across the country. People used that to lose weight and stopped paying for prescriptions. Money talks and bullshit walks. THAT is the main reason why ephedra was banned.
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So here's the update with my fat burner trials....
I took a few days off after battling severe migraines last week, which I still think were unrelated. Anyway, I scored another sample of Cytolean over the weekend, so I gave that another go yesterday. I like it!!! Except for one thing....
I woke up yesterday morning feeling like total shit, not wanting to move, let alone do cardio. I popped two Cytoleans and got on the elliptical. About 15 mins into the cardio, I started feeling good...like REALLY good. Like I could do cardio all day long LOL. I took a third Cytolean after breakfast and felt pretty damn good all day long yesterday. I was in a good mood all day long, despite being low on sleep, and I even did an extra 25 mins of cardio after my evening training session.
However, this morning I woke up feeling down in the dumps, for no reason. Not really tired or worn out, just bummed out.
I've heard that Cytolean gives you a euphoric kind of high feeling, so I am wondering now if I actually have a Cytolean hangover. ???
I saw that powerpack got depressed on the Cyotlean too...but was that ON it, or when you got OFF it?
Thumbs up on the Cytolean IF it doesn't give me a hangover. I don't want to feel depressed any day that I don't take it. ::)
I'm going back to the NITOR tomorrow for several days in a row, to see how that treats me. I talked to Jenny, and she's going to give me her leftover Lypolyze/Somalyze when she sees me next weekend, so I will give that a go too.
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So here's the update with my fat burner trials....
I took a few days off after battling severe migraines last week, which I still think were unrelated. Anyway, I scored another sample of Cytolean over the weekend, so I gave that another go yesterday. I like it!!! Except for one thing....
I woke up yesterday morning feeling like total shit, not wanting to move, let alone do cardio. I popped two Cytoleans and got on the elliptical. About 15 mins into the cardio, I started feeling good...like REALLY good. Like I could do cardio all day long LOL. I took a third Cytolean after breakfast and felt pretty damn good all day long yesterday. I was in a good mood all day long, despite being low on sleep, and I even did an extra 25 mins of cardio after my evening training session.
However, this morning I woke up feeling down in the dumps, for no reason. Not really tired or worn out, just bummed out.
I've heard that Cytolean gives you a euphoric kind of high feeling, so I am wondering now if I actually have a Cytolean hangover. ???
I saw that powerpack got depressed on the Cyotlean too...but was that ON it, or when you got OFF it?
Thumbs up on the Cytolean IF it doesn't give me a hangover. I don't want to feel depressed any day that I don't take it. ::)
I'm going back to the NITOR tomorrow for several days in a row, to see how that treats me. I talked to Jenny, and she's going to give me her leftover Lypolyze/Somalyze when she sees me next weekend, so I will give that a go too.
Strange, I never had those effects when I took Cytolean. Maybe you're taking too much for your size, you are kinda small ya know. I was taking 3 at a time, only once a day before training. Never had any kind of headache or anything like that.
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Strange, I never had those effects when I took Cytolean. Maybe you're taking too much for your size, you are kinda small ya know. I was taking 3 at a time, only once a day before training. Never had any kind of headache or anything like that.
I didn't get a headache from the cytolean, but definitely got a little hangover the next day. I'd like to try to find a fat burner where I can handle the recommended dose over an extended period of time.
I'm on Day 2 of the NITOR today. Yesterday was 2 before cardio and one in the late morning. Today I took 2 before cardio. It definitely cranks me up. It's borderline for me in terms of being a little too much crankage, but we'll see how it treats me through the weekend.
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So I am hanging with the NITOR, and it's not bad at all. I've been taking two in the morning and one in the afternoon. It definitely cranks me up, but not too much to handle. Now the big question is does it really help in terms of fat burning? I'll have to dig up a good profile of DHEA and post it later.
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and the DEA will be waiting..I hear they patrol these boards
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Is DHEA banned? ???
I found this...
In the 1970s and 1980s, DHEA was being sold as a weight-loss aid. In 1985 the FDA banned over-the-counter sale of DHEA due to unsubstantiated claims and lack of data on safety and effectiveness for weight loss. Today it is back as a "dietary supplement."
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I didn't get a headache from the cytolean, but definitely got a little hangover the next day. I'd like to try to find a fat burner where I can handle the recommended dose over an extended period of time.
I'm on Day 2 of the NITOR today. Yesterday was 2 before cardio and one in the late morning. Today I took 2 before cardio. It definitely cranks me up. It's borderline for me in terms of being a little too much crankage, but we'll see how it treats me through the weekend.
This kind of stimulant will AMP up the Dopamine levels in your brain and jack up your nor-epinephrine levels, however if you've ever done Cocaine, you know the next day you can feel shitty and depressed, because now your dopamine levels are very low. Same principal. Use the stimulants only when you need them, then take plenty of L-Tyrosine the next day and mucuna Pruriens (Also known as the Dopa bean) to replenish neurotransmitter levels.
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This kind of stimulant will AMP up the Dopamine levels in your brain and jack up your nor-epinephrine levels, however if you've ever done Cocaine, you know the next day you can feel shitty and depressed, because now your dopamine levels are very low. Same principal. Use the stimulants only when you need them, then take plenty of L-Tyrosine the next day and mucuna Pruriens (Also known as the Dopa bean) to replenish neurotransmitter levels.
That's interesting.... I was wondering if it affected my seratonin levels, but dopamine makes sense.
Do you recommend supplementing with tyrosine the whole time you are taking a stimulant-based fat burner?
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That's interesting.... I was wondering if it affected my seratonin levels, but dopamine makes sense.
Do you recommend supplementing with tyrosine the whole time you are taking a stimulant-based fat burner?
It's a good idea, as long as you don't get a headache from it (some people do if they go over 1000 mg a day). I would only take the stimulant fat burner before an early cardio session, and after you've used them 5 or 6 days in a row, lay off for 2 days. That way your body will respond better and not get too used to them. A good non-stimulant fat burner is Blaze by SAN. I get pretty warm on it, so I know it's speeding up my metabolism. Maybe, mixing that with the careful use of a stimulating fat burner could work well.
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It's a good idea, as long as you don't get a headache from it (some people do if they go over 1000 mg a day). I would only take the stimulant fat burner before an early cardio session, and after you've used them 5 or 6 days in a row, lay off for 2 days. That way your body will respond better and not get too used to them. A good non-stimulant fat burner is Blaze by SAN. I get pretty warm on it, so I know it's speeding up my metabolism. Maybe, mixing that with the careful use of a stimulating fat burner could work well.
Thanks for the info. I agree that 5 on, 2 off is a good approach for stimulant-based fat burners.
I'll check out Blaze too. 8)
FROM A VITAMIN WEBSITE ---
L-tyrosine, through its effect on neurotransmitters, is used to treat conditions including mood enhancement, appetite suppression, and growth hormone stimulation. In addition, tyrosine is reported to have an antioxidant effect, which may protect people from cancer development, coronary heart disease, and aging. Tyrosine appears to prevent the decline in various aspects of performance and mood associated with many kinds of acute stress, and may prove useful in improving performance in situations where performance is compromised by stress. Tyrosine may act as an adaptogen, helping the body adapt to and cope with the effects of physical or psychological stress by minimizing the symptoms brought on by stress. Tyrosine is involved in the synthesis of enkephalins (pronounced en-keff-a-lins), substances that have pain-relieving effects. Tyrosine supplementation may be used in the treatment of Parkinson's disease, because tyrosine can make l-dopa which is used directly to treat Parkinson's disease. Tyrosine aids in the the production of melanin (pigment responsible for hair and skin color) and in the functions of the adrenal, thryroid, and pituitary glands. Tyrosine appears to be a successful addition to conventional treatment for cocaine abuse and withdrawal. It may be used in conjunction with tryptophan and imipramine (an antidepressant). When taken properly, l-tyrosine can assist a sluggish thyroid and aid the dieter in losing excess, unwanted pounds. People born with the genetic condition phenylketonuria (PKU) are unable to metabolize the amino acid phenylalanine. Mental retardation and other severe disabilities can result. While dietary phenylalanine restriction prevents these problems, it also leads to low tyrosine levels in many (but not all) people with PKU. Tyrosine supplementation may be beneficial in some people with PKU, though the evidence is conflicting.
Dietary sources of l-tyrosine are principally derived from animal and vegetable proteins. Natural sources include soy products, chicken, turkey, fish, peanuts, almonds, avocados, bananas, milk, cheese, yogurt, cottage cheese, lima beans, pumpkin seeds, and sesame seeds.
The standard dose of tyrosine is 1000 milligrams whenever a physical or mental boost is needed. Tyrosine supplements should be taken at least 30 minutes before meals, divided into three daily doses. They should also be taken with a multivitamin-mineral complex because vitamins B6, B9 (folate), and copper help convert L-tyrosine into important brain chemicals.
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So here's the latest with the fat burners. I've been using At Large's NITOR, and I like it. I'm up to two in the morning before cardio and one in the afternoon. It definitely cranks me up, but I am used to it now.
The BEAST gave me a bunch of Palumbo's fat burners to try (Lipolyze and Somalyze), which are non-stimulant. I'm going to give those a whirl next week, and then I am going to get off the fat burners until I am about 10 weeks out from the show, and I will then cycle on and off the stimulant-based ones. The problem is that I really seem to benefit from a stimulant-based fat burner in the morning before cardio. I find myself totally dragging ass without one, and struggling to get through the cardio sometimes. :-\
Here's some info on DHEA, which is in NITOR. Nothing's really been proven regarding its effectiveness, however.
DHEA is called the "mother hormone" because it acts as a precursor to other hormones in the body such as estrogen, progesterone, cortisone, androgen and testosterone, to name a few. The fetus manufactures DHEA, which stimulates the placenta to form estrogen, thus keeping a pregnancy going. Production of DHEA stops at birth, then begins again around age seven and peaks when a person is in their mid-20s. From the early 30s on there is a steady decline (about 2 percent each year) until around age 75 and older when the level of DHEA in the body is about 5 percent of peak.
Claims about DHEA
In the 1970s and 1980s, DHEA was being sold as a weight-loss aid. In 1985 the FDA banned over-the-counter sale of DHEA due to unsubstantiated claims and lack of data on safety and effectiveness for weight loss. Today it is back as a "dietary supplement."
DHEA has been touted as an "antidote for aging" and a "superhormone" that can help burn fat, build muscle mass, boost libido, strengthen the immune system, prevent heart disease, cancer, osteoporosis and non-insulin dependent diabetes, ease the effects of menopause, retard memory loss, help in the treatment of lupus, limit burn damage, combat stress and prevent or slow the progression of Alzheimer and Parkinson diseases.
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So here's the latest with the fat burners. I've been using At Large's NITOR, and I like it. I'm up to two in the morning before cardio and one in the afternoon. It definitely cranks me up, but I am used to it now.
The BEAST gave me a bunch of Palumbo's fat burners to try (Lipolyze and Somalyze), which are non-stimulant. I'm going to give those a whirl next week, and then I am going to get off the fat burners until I am about 10 weeks out from the show, and I will then cycle on and off the stimulant-based ones. The problem is that I really seem to benefit from a stimulant-based fat burner in the morning before cardio. I find myself totally dragging ass without one, and struggling to get through the cardio sometimes. :-\
Here's some info on DHEA, which is in NITOR. Nothing's really been proven regarding its effectiveness, however.
DHEA is called the "mother hormone" because it acts as a precursor to other hormones in the body such as estrogen, progesterone, cortisone, androgen and testosterone, to name a few. The fetus manufactures DHEA, which stimulates the placenta to form estrogen, thus keeping a pregnancy going. Production of DHEA stops at birth, then begins again around age seven and peaks when a person is in their mid-20s. From the early 30s on there is a steady decline (about 2 percent each year) until around age 75 and older when the level of DHEA in the body is about 5 percent of peak.
Claims about DHEA
In the 1970s and 1980s, DHEA was being sold as a weight-loss aid. In 1985 the FDA banned over-the-counter sale of DHEA due to unsubstantiated claims and lack of data on safety and effectiveness for weight loss. Today it is back as a "dietary supplement."
DHEA has been touted as an "antidote for aging" and a "superhormone" that can help burn fat, build muscle mass, boost libido, strengthen the immune system, prevent heart disease, cancer, osteoporosis and non-insulin dependent diabetes, ease the effects of menopause, retard memory loss, help in the treatment of lupus, limit burn damage, combat stress and prevent or slow the progression of Alzheimer and Parkinson diseases.
So you have no concerns with putting all this stuff into your system......I don't understand.
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So here's the latest with the fat burners. I've been using At Large's NITOR, and I like it. I'm up to two in the morning before cardio and one in the afternoon. It definitely cranks me up, but I am used to it now.
The BEAST gave me a bunch of Palumbo's fat burners to try (Lipolyze and Somalyze), which are non-stimulant. I'm going to give those a whirl next week, and then I am going to get off the fat burners until I am about 10 weeks out from the show, and I will then cycle on and off the stimulant-based ones. The problem is that I really seem to benefit from a stimulant-based fat burner in the morning before cardio. I find myself totally dragging ass without one, and struggling to get through the cardio sometimes. :-\
Here's some info on DHEA, which is in NITOR. Nothing's really been proven regarding its effectiveness, however.
DHEA is called the "mother hormone" because it acts as a precursor to other hormones in the body such as estrogen, progesterone, cortisone, androgen and testosterone, to name a few. The fetus manufactures DHEA, which stimulates the placenta to form estrogen, thus keeping a pregnancy going. Production of DHEA stops at birth, then begins again around age seven and peaks when a person is in their mid-20s. From the early 30s on there is a steady decline (about 2 percent each year) until around age 75 and older when the level of DHEA in the body is about 5 percent of peak.
Claims about DHEA
In the 1970s and 1980s, DHEA was being sold as a weight-loss aid. In 1985 the FDA banned over-the-counter sale of DHEA due to unsubstantiated claims and lack of data on safety and effectiveness for weight loss. Today it is back as a "dietary supplement."
DHEA has been touted as an "antidote for aging" and a "superhormone" that can help burn fat, build muscle mass, boost libido, strengthen the immune system, prevent heart disease, cancer, osteoporosis and non-insulin dependent diabetes, ease the effects of menopause, retard memory loss, help in the treatment of lupus, limit burn damage, combat stress and prevent or slow the progression of Alzheimer and Parkinson diseases.
Regular DHEA probably won't burn much fat in most people, although in women it will elevate their testostrone levels a bit which could impart a harder look (and increased sex drive). There is a metabolite of DHEA called 7-keto-Dhea which has some studies showing it improves thyroid function and suposedly burns fat a bit. It does not convert to Testosterone or estrogen. It is sold alone or sometimes is included in fat loss formul;as
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Regular DHEA probably won't burn much fat in most people, although in women it will elevate their testostrone levels a bit which could impart a harder look (and increased sex drive). There is a metabolite of DHEA called 7-keto-Dhea which has some studies showing it improves thyroid function and suposedly burns fat a bit. It does not convert to Testosterone or estrogen. It is sold alone or sometimes is included in fat loss formul;as
I should be more specific. I am fairly certain it's the 7-keto-Dhea that is in the NITOR and Third Degree Burn. I don't have the bottle with me, but I'll double check.
One of the most important of these is 7-Keto DHEA (commonly referred to as 7-Keto), a hormone metabolite that can safely boost immune function and help reduce body fat. Unlike DHEA, however, 7-Keto does not convert to estrogen and testosterone. Because DHEA and 7-Keto have separate and unique functions and properties, it is important to understand the differences between these two popular dietary supplements.
Studies have demonstrated that 7-Keto does not accumulate in the body over time and is free of unhealthy side effects. An analysis of the metabolite at the Chicago Center for Clinical Research found that 7-Keto is rapidly absorbed and sulfated, much like DHEA. The sulfated form of 7-Keto DHEA is more stable in plasma, and blood levels can therefore be more accurately measured with laboratory equipment. In the Chicago analysis, peak plasma levels were achieved 2.2 hours after supplementation, and a steady-state level in plasma was reached with twice-daily dosing. Despite 7-Keto DHEA’s rapid elimination by the body, measured as a half-life of 2.17 hours, relatively high blood levels are quickly achieved. For example, after one week of dosing at 200 mg per day, a mean 7-Keto level of 15.8 nanograms per milliliter (ng/ml) was attained; after four weeks of supplementation, the mean level was only modestly higher at 16.3 ng/ml. Supplementation with 7-Keto can therefore have relatively rapid benefits. Lower dosing resulted in proportionally lower blood levels of 7-Keto
7-Keto produces fat loss through the process of thermogenesis. This term refers to the creation of heat, which is one of the forms of energy produced when the body’s cells metabolize the food we eat. Greater amounts of thermogenesis boost the body’s metabolic rate which increases the conversion of stored fat into energy.
7-Keto enhances the activity of three thermogenic enzymes that stimulate fatty acid oxidation in the liver. These thermogenic-en-hancing enzymes are fatty acyl CoA oxidase, malic enzyme, and glycerol-3-phosphate dehydrogenase. These enzymes drive the liver cells to burn fatty acids for energy, which causes a lowering of triglycerides in the liver.
Supplementation with 7-Keto has a dramatic effect on boosting levels of these thermogenic-enhancing enzymes. Studies found that fatty acyl CoA oxidase increased by 128%, while malic enzyme jumped 860%. The concentration of glycerol-3-phosphate dehydrogenase increased by 138% as well.
A study published in Current Therapeutic Research revealed just how effective 7-Keto is in inducing fat loss.13 In this randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study, 30 overweight adults (28 women and 2 men) were divided into two groups. Group 1 received 100 mg of 7-Keto twice daily for eight weeks, while group 2 took a matching pla-cebo capsule. All subjects participated in an exercise program three times a week that consisted of 50 minutes of aerobic and non-aerobic cross training under the supervision of an exercise physiologist. In addition, each subject was instructed by a registered dietitian to follow an 1800-calorie-a-day diet. The subjects underwent testing for blood chemistry, body composition, blood pressure, and dietary analysis at baseline and at weeks four and eight.
The researchers found that the 7-Keto group lost a significant amount of body weight compared to the placebo group—6.3 versus 2.1 pounds. The 7-Keto group also lost a greater percentage of body fat compared to the placebo group—1.8% versus 0.57%. Compared to the placebo group, the 7-Keto group saw a significant increase in thyroid hormone activity that targets fat- burning genes in the mitochondria and adipose tissue. No adverse effects were reported. The results show that 7-Keto can significantly and safely reduce body weight and body fat when combined with exercise and a reduced-calorie diet. This is due to the greatly increased levels of fat-burning enzymes in the liver as well as the elevation of thyroid hormone. These beneficial changes are known to boost basal metabolic rate, making it easier to shed excess pounds. Supplementation with 7-Keto can therefore help reverse the decline in metabolic rate that makes it so easy to put on weight as we age. Unlike caffeine and ephedrine, 7-Keto does not have a central nervous system stimulating effect caused by nor-adrenalin release, nor does 7-Keto increase heart rate or blood pressure.
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This week, I am going to try Palumbo's two fat burners, Lypolyze during the day, and Somalyze at night. No idea if I spelled those correctly. These are non-stimulant fat burners. The active ingredient is Usnic Acid, which is a bit controversial.
I've posted some info below that a couple people provided in The Beast's contest prep thread. The Beast took these fat burners during her prep, and then she gave me a bunch of her leftovers when I saw her at the Jr USAs (Thanks Jenny! :)) I have enough to take it for at least a week, so I'll give it a go and see what I think. However, I have a feeling that this is going to be one of those products that you have to stay on long-term to really see or understand any effects. I'll give it a whirl for a week or so, but then I think I'm gonna get off all the fat burners for a couple weeks, and then cycle through the stimulant-based ones for the final 10 weeks of my prep.
No offense taken, I just want u to look your best.
I posted this on bignation as well. And i have no reason to promote dave's products, they just work so i like em.
I read a story about a woman who claims that after taking 500mg per day of Usnic Acid, her liver “shriveled up and died”. I think the title of the newspaper article was entitled, "She lost her liver trying to lose weight"? I remember reading an MD interview with Dave Palumbo where the interviewer brought up a similar story and Dave responded by saying that if someone took a huge amount of Valium, or even Vitamin C, they would screw up their liver too. Insane as this may sound, if someone actually took enough LIPOLYZE or SOMALYZE to equal 500mg per day [36 pills], would it damage their liver like in the above story?
Usnic acid causes cellular energy-wasting by allowing potential energy that could be used to synthesize ATP to leak out of the cells via “leaky” mitochondrial membranes. Because of this energy loss, the cells must compensate by oxidizing additional fatty acids in order to ensure that adequate ATP levels are maintained. Whenever fatty acid oxidation in increased, the production of free radicals is also increased; and too many free radicals can potentially damage the cells integrity. This is where antioxidants come into play.
Several in vitro (cell culture) studies have demonstrated that massive amounts of Usnic acid can damage liver cells. Remember, this data has only been observed in petri dish conditions; not in the living organism. It should also be remembered that cells grown in petri dishes have one distinct disadvantage over cells found in the living body; there are no antioxidant systems to protect against free radical-induced oxidative damage. With this fact in mind, these same studies revealed that by adding a simple antioxidant like vitamin E to the cell culture media, cell damage was drastically reduced (if not eliminated).
The human body has a large array of endogenous antioxidant systems such as superoxide dismutase, glutathione reductase, catalase, and various peroxidases that effectively neutralize most free radicals that can lead to oxidative stress. Additionally, LIPOLYZE and SOMALYZE are both fortified with green tea extract and Vitamin E which further serve to reduce the threat of antioxidant damage within the cells
For those interested here is a good review regarding Usnic acid
http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Chem_Background/ExSumPdf/UsnicAcid.pdf
More recent toxicological studies are listed here
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=search&db=pubmed&term=tox%5Bsb%5D%20AND%20%28%7E125-46-2%5BRN%5D%20OR%20%22%7E%22%5BMH%5D%29
As a point of clarification the anti oxidant systems that Flexington mentioned are all present in isolated cells. However some of them may be inactive due to depletion of co factors such as ascorbate and glutathione.
I am not sure if any study has shown a thermogenic effect at the levels given in most supplements. Increased dosage would presumably lead to mitochondrial uncoupling, and thermogenesis (with resultant fat loss), but that might also lead to toxicity.
If you eat a balanced diet and take your 1 or 2 a day vitamins anti oxidant supplementation does not have a major effect on your cells abilities to eliminate free radicals (superoxide dismutase, catalase) or to reduce oxidative damage (ascorbate, glutathione, etc).
So good luck to those supplementing with it. It may work, it may kill you, it may work and kill you. Most likely at the low doses recommended it will not do much of anything, but as we know a lot of bodybuilding is based on super pharmacological dosing, well outside the range of human research stuies - the label has never held many back.
My only suggestion is to be like the Beast, and research it yourself before deciding.
Best
Doug
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This week, I am going to try Palumbo's two fat burners, Lypolyze during the day, and Somalyze at night. No idea if I spelled those correctly. These are non-stimulant fat burners. The active ingredient is Usnic Acid, which is a bit controversial.
I've posted some info below that a couple people provided in The Beast's contest prep thread. The Beast took these fat burners during her prep, and then she gave me a bunch of her leftovers when I saw her at the Jr USAs (Thanks Jenny! :)) I have enough to take it for at least a week, so I'll give it a go and see what I think. However, I have a feeling that this is going to be one of those products that you have to stay on long-term to really see or understand any effects. I'll give it a whirl for a week or so, but then I think I'm gonna get off all the fat burners for a couple weeks, and then cycle through the stimulant-based ones for the final 10 weeks of my prep.
Use palumbos shit lori, its the best stuff out there. And its not going to get your wired and shit like u were complaining about that other stuff u were taking. Plus its non-stimulant based, so it doesnt increase cortisol.......Just some food for thought.
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Be careful Rip!!
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Use palumbos shit lori, its the best stuff out there. And its not going to get your wired and shit like u were complaining about that other stuff u were taking. Plus its non-stimulant based, so it doesnt increase cortisol.......Just some food for thought.
The thing about Palumbo's fat burner is how do we KNOW that it works? At least with the stimulant-based fat burners, you feel it. You know if it's cranking you up, or supressing your appetite, or heating you up, or whatever. When you're dieting hard and doing lots of cardio and training AND taking a fat burner that you can't feel, it's hard to guage whether it's effective because you should be leaning out regardless.
One thing I've noticed is that I really do appreciate the crank you get from a good fat burner when you have to drag your ass out of bed at 5:30 for morning cardio. Sometimes, it's the difference between a really good cardio session that burns more calories and one where I am struggling just to move my legs.
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Medfat: eat less, excersize more ::)
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Medfat: eat less, excersize more ::)
What is wrong Meddy ???
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Damnt Lori just use palumbos fat burners :)
And how you'll know its working, you'll be losing more fat using his lypolyze than if you werent :)
Hey i read earlier that you liked thyrotabs go to www.dpsnutrition.com they have em on clearance there.
The thing about Palumbo's fat burner is how do we KNOW that it works? At least with the stimulant-based fat burners, you feel it. You know if it's cranking you up, or supressing your appetite, or heating you up, or whatever. When you're dieting hard and doing lots of cardio and training AND taking a fat burner that you can't feel, it's hard to guage whether it's effective because you should be leaning out regardless.
One thing I've noticed is that I really do appreciate the crank you get from a good fat burner when you have to drag your ass out of bed at 5:30 for morning cardio. Sometimes, it's the difference between a really good cardio session that burns more calories and one where I am struggling just to move my legs.
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Rip, Palumbo's fat burners definately works - no doubt about it. I have used lipo6 amongst others recently and it's the most effective by far.
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Rip, Palumbo's fat burners definately works - no doubt about it. I have used lipo6 amongst others recently and it's the most effective by far.
Well, your endorsement does mean alot...as does flex's... :)
I've got about a week's worth to try out, but I'm not sure that will really be enough to make a determination on whether it works for me.
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Well, your endorsement does mean alot...as does flex's... :)
I've got about a week's worth to try out, but I'm not sure that will really be enough to make a determination on whether it works for me.
Get some more and get stuck into it..!
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Well, your endorsement does mean alot...as does flex's... :)
I've got about a week's worth to try out, but I'm not sure that will really be enough to make a determination on whether it works for me.
Rip I just had about 12 people from my job order lypolyze, they all got it today, so we'll so how it goes. Ill put some real world results out there for you. Let me remind you though that these are people who are fat, barely exercise if they do any at all, eat horrible, and are taking lypolyze for that extra kick. Now if it can work for them then it can definetely work for a precontest bodybuilder, so ill keep u updated, and tell u how its goin w/them in the next 20 or 30 days.
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Rip I just had about 12 people from my job order lypolyze, they all got it today, so we'll so how it goes. Ill put some real world results out there for you. Let me remind you though that these are people who are fat, barely exercise if they do any at all, eat horrible, and are taking lypolyze for that extra kick. Now if it can work for them then it can definetely work for a precontest bodybuilder, so ill keep u updated, and tell u how its goin w/them in the next 20 or 30 days.
Flex do you think it will really help the people who you said are fat, lazy, dont excersise or eat right? Im thinking no, but will be fun to hear how they do on it. They sound like the folks who buy into the suff they sell on those info mertials on tv. Like take this pill and you will lose weight.
At least Dave's product is probally a good one. Dude if they just cut back portion size and let up on the snacks and maybe walk around the block a few times a week they would probally see results.
As far a s Rip Baby is concerned she knows what she has to do. When has the Ripster ever come unprepared for anything? This girl will nail her conditioning, I have no doubt about it :) Come game day those other Bi*ches better watch out and stay out of R Baby's way. YouknowwhatImsaying 8)
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As far a s Rip Baby is concerned she knows what she has to do. When has the Ripster ever come unprepared for anything? This girl will nail her conditioning, I have no doubt about it :) Come game day those other Bi*ches better watch out and stay out of R Baby's way. YouknowwhatImsaying 8)
LOL...aww thanks for the vote of confidence Luv! Conditioning is the name of the game baby... too bad it takes so damn much work to get lean. Not quite as easy as a magic pill. ::)
Flex, I definitely want to hear how your co-workers do on Palumbo's stuff!
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LOL...aww thanks for the vote of confidence Luv! Conditioning is the name of the game baby... too bad it takes so damn much work to get lean. Not quite as easy as a magic pill. ::)
Flex, I definitely want to hear how your co-workers do on Palumbo's stuff!
ill definetely let u know :)
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For anyone who has taken Palumbo's fat burners, I would be curious to hear if you encountered any side effects? ???
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I sure hope not, but I want you to be as safe as possible Rip, I don't want to see you overdoes on fat burners, you are gorgeous already, I can only imagine you can't get any gorgeouser.
jt
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For anyone who has taken Palumbo's fat burners, I would be curious to hear if you encountered any side effects? ???
You know I've taken a butt load of it and I never had any problems. Nothing but good things to say about it.
...and like someone else said earlier, just because it doesn't give you that amped feeling like some other fat burners do, does not mean it's not working or that it's not any good. Even though it's not OTC, take for instance Cytomel (t-3.) It does not give you some sort of false high/jittery/energized feeling, but it's hard to argue that it is not one of the more effective fat burners out there.
If you need the energized feeling that you get form other fat burners and you're using Dave's products which don't' give you this, simply take in some caffeine instead along with your fat burners. However, I'm not a big fan of lots of caffeine while dieting for the same reason I'm not a fan of most OTC fat burners...too much bad news for cortisol levels IMO.
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You know I've taken a butt load of it and I never had any problems. Nothing but good things to say about it.
...and like someone else said earlier, just because it doesn't give you that amped feeling like some other fat burners do, does not mean it's not working or that it's not any good. Even though it's not OTC, take for instance Cytomel (t-3.) It does not give you some sort of false high/jittery/energized feeling, but it's hard to argue that it is not one of the more effective fat burners out there.
If you need the energized feeling that you get form other fat burners and you're using Dave's products which don't' give you this, simply take in some caffeine instead along with your fat burners. However, I'm not a big fan of lots of caffeine while dieting for the same reason I'm not a fan of most OTC fat burners...too much bad news for cortisol levels IMO.
very very true!
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You know I've taken a butt load of it and I never had any problems. Nothing but good things to say about it.
...and like someone else said earlier, just because it doesn't give you that amped feeling like some other fat burners do, does not mean it's not working or that it's not any good. Even though it's not OTC, take for instance Cytomel (t-3.) It does not give you some sort of false high/jittery/energized feeling, but it's hard to argue that it is not one of the more effective fat burners out there.
If you need the energized feeling that you get form other fat burners and you're using Dave's products which don't' give you this, simply take in some caffeine instead along with your fat burners. However, I'm not a big fan of lots of caffeine while dieting for the same reason I'm not a fan of most OTC fat burners...too much bad news for cortisol levels IMO.
OK that's cool. I was wondering because I have been taking Palumbo's fat burner for about 3 days now, and I am having some pretty crazy stomach problems. Maybe it's just coincidence, but I was curious if anyone else had experienced problems? I haven't changed anything else in my diet really.
Is "gorgeouser" a word btw? ;D
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I have taken Palumbo's fat burners for a little more than a week now. I took most of the doses, maybe missed a few of them here and there. And I took two before bed every night.
I had some pretty major stomach problems this last week, and that's really the only thing that changed about my diet. I think I'm very sensitive to new stuff, and I'd never taken usnic acid before. It wasn't a pleasant week, but I did manage to lose some body fat. I'm also dieting and training very hard, so it's difficult to say if the fat burners worked.
The other side effect I experienced is that I had to go to the bathroom ALOT (I'm talking about peeing ;D)... I think they must have a diuretic effect, so drink alot of water if you take them. I experience this with thyrotabs too.
Right now, I'm 12 weeks out from the North Americans, and then Nationals is 12 weeks after that. I think for the NA's, I am going to start Third Degree Burn at 8 weeks out, and then add the thyrotabs for the last 5-6 weeks. I may take Palumbo's fat burner for Nationals prep since I'll have to switch it up, but I'm going with the ole' faithful for the NAs.
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I have taken Palumbo's fat burners for a little more than a week now. I took most of the doses, maybe missed a few of them here and there. And I took two before bed every night.
I had some pretty major stomach problems this last week, and that's really the only thing that changed about my diet. I think I'm very sensitive to new stuff, and I'd never taken usnic acid before. It wasn't a pleasant week, but I did manage to lose some body fat. I'm also dieting and training very hard, so it's difficult to say if the fat burners worked.
The other side effect I experienced is that I had to go to the bathroom ALOT (I'm talking about peeing ;D)... I think they must have a diuretic effect, so drink alot of water if you take them. I experience this with thyrotabs too.
Right now, I'm 12 weeks out from the North Americans, and then Nationals is 12 weeks after that. I think for the NA's, I am going to start Third Degree Burn at 8 weeks out, and then add the thyrotabs for the last 5-6 weeks. I may take Palumbo's fat burner for Nationals prep since I'll have to switch it up, but I'm going with the ole' faithful for the NAs.
Oh man I was worried something would happen >:( I hope you are ok and don't go too crazy dieting for the show, you are always beautiful.
jt
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Well, the stomach problems have subsided, and I have enough to take it for another 4-5 days, so I will finish out what I have. I also took a dose of Cytolean yesterday (I hadn't taken any stimulants for most of the week), and I really like that stuff. Thumbs up on the Cytolean.
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Anyone got any opinions on or experience with Yohimbe/yohimbine?
I'll look up some info on it when I have more time. All I know is that when I take anything that includes it, I can feel my heart beating in my throat.
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Anyone got any opinions on or experience with Yohimbe/yohimbine?
I'll look up some info on it when I have more time. All I know is that when I take anything that includes it, I can feel my heart beating in my throat.
Yeah I had my heart beating in someones throat myself last night, Kind of tired this morning. :D
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Yeah I had my heart beating in someones throat myself last night, Kind of tired this morning. :D
:o That's another good way to burn some fat!
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Ewww
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:o That's another good way to burn some fat!
Yes probally the best way or at least the funest :P
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Would taking one Lipo6X capsule at 8am give me insomnia? The last 3 days I've taken one capsule at ~8am and have not been able to get to sleep until past midnight
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Would taking one Lipo6X capsule at 8am give me insomnia? The last 3 days I've taken one capsule at ~8am and have not been able to get to sleep until past midnight
yes..................... ........................ .......(if you go to sleep at 11am)
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Would taking one Lipo6X capsule at 8am give me insomnia? The last 3 days I've taken one capsule at ~8am and have not been able to get to sleep until past midnight
Hmmmmm.... it is doubtful that taking one cap at 8 AM would cause that problem unless you are not used to ANY sort of stimulant in the morning. Do you drink coffee or take in caffeine regularly? I usually find that I am OK to sleep at night as long as I take the stimulants before lunch, or early afternoon at the latest...but I am a coffee drinker, so I am used to caffeine in the morning. I actually depend on it!
I did take one capsule of something yesterday with some yohimbe in it (just trying it out), but I took it at 4 PM and had a REALLY hard time falling asleep last night. I was up until after midnight too, despite being totally exhausted. >:(
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No STella I doubt it, you maybe just to much on your mind.
I am sensitive to stims and found other than a bit of nausea LIPO6 did not freak me out.
But one ECA tab could freak me out for a day or two
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What's the stimulant in Lipo 6 anyway? ???
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What's the stimulant in Lipo 6 anyway? ???
Synephrine HCL 20mg
Yohimbine HCL 3g
Are the 2 stims
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Synephrine HCL 20mg
Yohimbine HCL 3g
Are the 2 stims
Well that's some potent stuff. I suppose it could be possible, although 8 AM is pretty early to take it and have problems, esp just one cap. But not out of the question.
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Thanks for the info everyone!
I drink about 2 mugs of coffee each morning.
I didn't take one today...we'll see what happens.
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Thanks for the info everyone!
I drink about 2 mugs of coffee each morning.
I didn't take one today...we'll see what happens.
I changed my mind. Yes, I think it can affect your sleep, even at 8 AM. I took ONE redline fat burner the other morning (the dose is up to 3), and I haven't been able to get to sleep for the last two nights. Seriously! I think it's the yohimbine. >:(
I'm off the stimulants for a little while. 11 weeks out right now, and I am going to try to stay away from the stimulants for a couple weeks (other than coffee of course) and then cycle the Gaspari products. I'm still taking Palumbo's fat burner (Jenny gave me a lot of it...I will be out after this weekend), and I think I like it.
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Yes, I think it can affect your sleep, even at 8 AM. I took ONE redline fat burner the other morning (the dose is up to 3), and I haven't been able to get to sleep for the last two nights. Seriously! I think it's the yohimbine. >:(
Are you "Nancy's" kidding!??!?!?!?!?!?(we used to pop straight ephedrine like M &M 's ....blow lines and get to sleep no problem!) you guys take a "weak" non- ephedrine and can't sleep for days?!?!?!?LOL!
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wow
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Are you "Nancy's" kidding!??!?!?!?!?!?(we used to pop straight ephedrine like M &M 's ....blow lines and get to sleep no problem!) you guys take a "weak" non- ephedrine and can't sleep for days?!?!?!?LOL!
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wow
hahahaha I KNOW...I'm such a wuss. :-[
My trainer makes fun of me all the time because I have been known to party (MAYBE once or twice in my lifetime ;)), but I act like a total baby when it comes to stimulant-based fat burners.
We used to pop ephedrine like candy when we would go out drinking (remember mini-thins? ;D), but now I get totally sick to my stomach and can't sleep for days if I take one.
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hahahaha I KNOW...I'm such a wuss. :-[
My trainer makes fun of me all the time because I have been known to party (MAYBE once or twice in my lifetime ;)), but I act like a total baby when it comes to stimulant-based fat burners.
We used to pop ephedrine like candy when we would go out drinking (remember mini-thins? ;D), but now I get totally sick to my stomach and can't sleep for days if I take one.
Is that why you are posting at weirds hours of the day and night :D
Jokes aside Eph gave me anxiety attacks, I got Eph rage and could not sleep for days sometimes just lying in bed trembling after a single dose >:(
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Is that why you are posting at weirds hours of the day and night :D
Jokes aside Eph gave me anxiety attacks, I got Eph rage and could not sleep for days sometimes just lying in bed trembling after a single dose >:(
Not these days lol... unfortunately, I think I just go to bed too late and get up too early! :(
Eph makes me puke, straight up. I tried the Vasopro for contest prep in 2005... 25 mg in the morning, 25 mg after lunch. I felt HIGH as a kite for the entire first day, and then I started throwing up by the second dose on the second day. It took me about 3 days to recover, and that was the end of that!
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has anyone tried mhp's dren?
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has anyone tried mhp's dren?
i got a couple free samples of it at the olympia, tried them out.
I did actually feel it, I had tons of energy and felt good, but I only took it for 2 days cos thats all the samples i had. but from what ive been told, it wears off after a few days, and most people arent too happy with it.
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Ok Rip, The best fat burners you can take. And in this order.
Clen
ECA
Lypolyze/Somalyze stack
Everything else.
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OK, I'm pretty sold on Palumbo's fat burner! I've been on it for about 3 weeks or a little more now... almost every dose, I may have missed a few here and there. I don't feel any side effects from it other than some dehydration... I have to pee ALOT more when I am on it, so I am trying to drink more too. The non-stimulant nature of this product is a major PLUS.
It's always hard to say for sure what influences what, and I have been training harder and dieting harder in the last three weeks too (went to double cardios more than a week ago), but I have definitely gotten much leaner in the last three weeks than I did in the 4 or 5 weeks prior to taking it. So I'm giving it my endorsement. I would say that it has been quite effective, given that I am not taking any other fat-burning products right now. I did take some stimulant-based fat burners here and there (mostly the mornings when I was really dragging ass), but I've been trying to avoid those too for the time being.
I talked to Palumbo, and he's giving me a nice deal on the product, so I have agreed to take it for this prep. He suggests that I just stay on it right now through my entire prep, but I'm not sure if I will do that or not at this point, and I am not sure what I will do if I continue to prep through till Nationals in November. I may take a couple weeks off after this week and then pick it up again at 8 weeks out for the rest of my current prep...although I am not sure if there is any benefit to taking a couple weeks off. I just hate getting on these kinds of things far out from the show (although I guess 10 weeks isn't that far out, if I decide to do the NA's) because then I get too nervous to drop them out before the show, and I end up staying on them longer than I originally wanted to. :-\
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I just found a great one- im such a fat burner snob, if i dont feel that warm "rush" feeling ( i like the jitters! ) i wont take it, i dont feel like its working....Fastin Phentermine works great! Its Ephedra free, but has enough caffine and other ingredients for you to feel amped up if thats what you like- like me! :P
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LIPO 6 time released will do the job better than the convict's fat burner. ECA at your nearest pharmacy is always recommended aswel!
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After my last contest prep experience, Third Degree Burn (Gaspari) is a big no-no, as well as anything with DHEA in it. >:(
For the next 7 weeks, I am going to use A LITTLE Gaspari Cytolean and Pride Nutrition's Dialed In, along with Palumbo's Lypolyze and Somalyze, which i have come to believe it.
I really only need one pill at a time of the stimulants to get enough of a boost without freaking me out or making me sick!
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