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Title: wide back?
Post by: anabolic33 on May 14, 2008, 05:54:19 PM
Iv heard that using a narrow grip on most back exercises gets you wider than using a wide grip on exercises? please comment.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: Emmortal on May 14, 2008, 05:56:35 PM
Narrow grip for width, wide grip for inner back.  Most people have that backwards.
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Post by: pumpster on May 14, 2008, 06:21:32 PM
Different grips emphasize different areas so it's better to vary the grips and use a variety.
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Post by: candidizzle on May 14, 2008, 06:44:59 PM
Narrow grip for width, wide grip for inner back.  Most people have that backwards.
whoa ! ive been doign wide grip pull downs in attemt to widen my back...  fuckljhlsfjnvldsr
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: Big_Tymer on May 14, 2008, 09:08:04 PM
yes, narrow grip for back width and a wide grip to work inner back.

just like close grip bicep curls work outer biceps, and wide grip curls work inner bicep

on lat pulldowns a wide grip will work your upper, outer lats, while a close grip will work your lower lats.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: Emmortal on May 14, 2008, 11:15:07 PM
yes, narrow grip for back width and a wide grip to work inner back.

just like close grip bicep curls work outer biceps, and wide grip curls work inner bicep

on lat pulldowns a wide grip will work your upper, outer lats, while a close grip will work your lower lats.


Underhand close grip pulldowns are a good exercise for lower lats, gets em nice and toasty.

Speaking of grips on curls.  I was reading something the other day that the way you can figure out how to optimally hit the inner and outter bicep with BB curls is to stand over the par with your arms in a completely relaxed state, then basically turn them over palms up and this is how you should grip the bar to hit both heads.  The guy said it wasn't an exact science but works pretty well.  Anyone agree/disagree/thoughts?  I always just varied grip on sets, but this seems interesting.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: Bluto on May 15, 2008, 03:02:48 AM
edit: irrelevant posts removed. let's try to stick to the subject guys and keep the fighting out of the training board.  :)
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: Big_Tymer on May 15, 2008, 11:12:35 AM
Underhand close grip pulldowns are a good exercise for lower lats, gets em nice and toasty.

Speaking of grips on curls.  I was reading something the other day that the way you can figure out how to optimally hit the inner and outter bicep with BB curls is to stand over the par with your arms in a completely relaxed state, then basically turn them over palms up and this is how you should grip the bar to hit both heads.  The guy said it wasn't an exact science but works pretty well.  Anyone agree/disagree/thoughts?  I always just varied grip on sets, but this seems interesting.


it makes sense to me that it would target both areas.  I dont do that though, i pick one or the other and rotate it every week as to which side of the bi's i work.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 11:40:12 AM
99% of us have no reason to worry about distinctions like that.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: Emmortal on May 15, 2008, 11:46:57 AM
99% of us have no reason to worry about distinctions like that.

I don't' usually either, just something I read and thought I'd ask for opinions =)
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 11:52:55 AM
99% of us have no reason to worry about distinctions like that.
i think its important to activate growth in every sector of the muscle...    so understanding what kind of grip stresses which section of muscle fibers is soemthing that i, ersonally, wouuld pay attention to..   

for yourself i think your probably right though, just lift hard and heavy and get the fuck out of the gym.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 01:17:34 PM
dizzle, it's true for almost any of us. 99% of trainers don't have the need to start targeting "width", "thickness", "density", "inner back", "inner chest", "teardrop", "rear delts", "intercostals", "horseshoe" and any of the other FLEX mag nonsense that gets pounded into people's heads.

you look at my back and it's wider and thicker than ever. my "secret"? i do pullups and rows with whatever grip helps me feel it in my back the best. either it's contracting or it isn't. width comes from lats and teres major. "thickness" is traps and lower back. your back hardly gives a shit where your hands are on the bar.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 01:22:14 PM
OKAY  magoo i got no reason to argue with you do your own thing your obvisouly hard headed
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 01:55:01 PM
OKAY  magoo i got no reason to argue with you do your own thing your obvisouly hard headed

you say that as though you aren't. ::)

i respect your dedication and your attention to detail, all i'm saying is that you need to K.I.S.S. a bit. you're worrying too much about things that you have zero reason to concern yourself with.

i did the same thing for the longest time. i'd do front squats to target the teardrop of the quads, leg press with three different foot placements to target various areas. when i did chest, i'd do cable crossovers to get more out of my inner chest and on back day i'd pick exercises to work on this part or that part of my back. let's not forget how often i tried to juggle shoulder exercises depending on which head i thought needed work. ::)

these are the kinds of things newbies worry about because they get wrapped up in muscle and fitness magazine workout templates. they look at their barely-developed bodies and start envisioning muscle imbalances and then over-analyze their workouts. it's unnecessary.

guaranteed, guaran-fucking-teed, if more lifters did the majority of their work on each body part with one core movement instead of trying to hit it from 50 different angles, they'd progress a lot faster.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 15, 2008, 03:57:06 PM
you look at my back and it's wider and thicker than ever. my "secret"? i do pullups and rows with whatever grip helps me feel it in my back the best. either it's contracting or it isn't. width comes from lats and teres major. "thickness" is traps and lower back. your back hardly gives a shit where your hands are on the bar.

Based on your pics, lots of potential still left on the table; better to be open minded rather than patting oneself on the back for great accomplishments that are as yet unrealized. i reiterate that there's much to be gained by open-mindedness. Even if one decides to "keep it simple" there are still good questions to ask as to what is simple-which exercises are best, how to do them, etc.

For example. alot of Schwarzenegger's back routines often didn't include BB rows, instead used T-bars, which i've always thought and said were similar yet arguably better. If you just stick to vanilla what the book says you miss out on some things that can be better.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: dov on May 15, 2008, 03:58:10 PM
gotta agree with "Magoo" on keeping it simple...especially with newbs
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: Bluto on May 15, 2008, 04:18:51 PM
i say keep it complicated or you get bored and stop going to the gym mix that shit up homie
and dont forget to check out the ladies between sets
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Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 04:21:52 PM
you say that as though you aren't. ::)

i respect your dedication and your attention to detail, all i'm saying is that you need to K.I.S.S. a bit. you're worrying too much about things that you have zero reason to concern yourself with.

i did the same thing for the longest time. i'd do front squats to target the teardrop of the quads, leg press with three different foot placements to target various areas. when i did chest, i'd do cable crossovers to get more out of my inner chest and on back day i'd pick exercises to work on this part or that part of my back. let's not forget how often i tried to juggle shoulder exercises depending on which head i thought needed work. ::)

these are the kinds of things newbies worry about because they get wrapped up in muscle and fitness magazine workout templates. they look at their barely-developed bodies and start envisioning muscle imbalances and then over-analyze their workouts. it's unnecessary.

guaranteed, guaran-fucking-teed, if more lifters did the majority of their work on each body part with one core movement instead of trying to hit it from 50 different angles, they'd progress a lot faster.

Candizzle is a bodybuilder and you are a powerlifter or permabulker, which ever you prefer. Apples and Oranges Magoo.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: Bluto on May 15, 2008, 04:31:25 PM
i agree with danielson and i think he should post here more often
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Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 04:36:44 PM
Based on your pics, i reiterate that there's much to be gained by open-mindedness. Even if one decides to "keep it simple" there are still good questions to ask as to what is simple-which exercises are best, how to do them, etc.

For example. alot of Schwarzenegger's back routines often didn't include BB rows, instead used T-bars, which i've always thought and said were similar yet arguably better. If you just stick to vanilla what the book says you miss out on some things that can be better.

dude, didn't you get all up in my grill in another thread because i brought up posting pictures? ::)

now that you're all up on mine, i guess that means we'll see yours next, right? ...right?

you are correct on "what exercise really is best", and i entirely think that's personal. maybe you respond to incline better than flat, or heavy chins instead of rows, but the point isn't trying to hit it from the right "angle", just trying to find out what gets the muscles stimulated best. getting bogged down in this "wait, i can't do skullcrushers, i already targeted the long head of my tris" bullshit is robbing a lot of trainers of potential gains.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 15, 2008, 04:39:24 PM
dude, didn't you get all up in my grill in another thread because i brought up posting pictures? ::)

now that you're all up on mine, i guess that means we'll see yours next, right? ...right?

you are correct on "what exercise really is best", and i entirely think that's personal. maybe you respond to incline better than flat, or heavy chins instead of rows, but the point isn't trying to hit it from the right "angle", just trying to find out what gets the muscles stimulated best. getting bogged down in this "wait, i can't do skullcrushers, i already targeted the long head of my tris" bullshit is robbing a lot of trainers of potential gains.

No offense but that physique doesn't jive with your unequivocal judgements on training. You should be the first in line open to new suggestions if you wanna improve, if (big if) you're even training hard.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 04:42:51 PM
No offense but that physique doesn't suggest that you know that much about training or that anywhere near your full potential's been realized, if (big if) you're even training hard.

As someone who can admit I am not much of a physical specimen myself, I agree with Pumpster. Candizzle looks better than you Magoo, whatever he is doing is working better than what you are doing.  It's like me giving Meso advice, just seems kind of out of left field. JMHO
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 04:48:38 PM
No offense but that physique doesn't jive with your unequivocal judgements on training. You should be the first in line open to new suggestions if you wanna improve, if (big if) you're even training hard.

dude, are you for real? or should i be waiting for ashton kutcher to pop up. look at my training journal if you want an idea of how i train. keep in mind i've got videos there as well. i suggest the 225x20 bench video or the 455 platform pull and the 375 zercher. they're pretty recent.

and danny, i'm not sure what's up with you. you've abruptly started following me around to the training board, the PL board, and the pet board just to make dumb little comments. i'm honestly perplexed as to when you suddenly started having this hard-on for me.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 04:51:30 PM
dude, are you for real? or should i be waiting for ashton kutcher to pop up. look at my training journal if you want an idea of how i train. keep in mind i've got videos there as well. i suggest the 225x20 bench video or the 455 platform pull and the 375 zercher. they're pretty recent.

and danny, i'm not sure what's up with you. you've abruptly started following me around to the training board, the PL board, and the pet board just to make dumb little comments. i'm honestly perplexed as to when you suddenly started having this hard-on for me.

I complimented you on the 225 lift. I am not following you at all. FOR A BODYBUILDER Candi looks better than you. I think we can all agree on that. Just seems odd to give him advice on BBing is all. If I were giving you advice on deadlifting wouldn't you think it was a bit odd?
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 15, 2008, 04:51:33 PM
dude, are you for real? or should i be waiting for ashton kutcher to pop up. look at my training journal if you want an idea of how i train. keep in mind i've got videos there as well. i suggest the 225x20 bench video or the 455 platform pull and the 375 zercher. they're pretty recent.

and danny, i'm not sure what's up with you. you've abruptly started following me around to the training board, the PL board, and the pet board just to make dumb little comments. i'm honestly perplexed as to when you suddenly started having this hard-on for me.

The numbers are ok but aren't everything when it comes to development.

Call down, you seem like a real hothead. You still have a lot to learn based on the hard-headed intransigence you display re: other modes of training than the ones you've already "mastered".
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 04:56:19 PM
Call down, you seem like a real hothead. You still have a lot to learn based on the hard-headed intransigence you display re: other modes of training than the ones you've already "mastered". ::)

::)

so that's where we are now, eh? you've lost any and all ability to discuss anything, so you resort to posting MY pictures (but not yours) and calling me a "hothead". didn't you PM me saying you deleted a post of mine because i was engaging in personal attacks? as the getbig terminology goes, epic hypocrisy.

listen, let's face facts here. you've got 35 years of "experience" but have no photographs up and train on a bowflex. candidizzle is a former fat kid that got lean thanks to coke and is getting big thanks to steroids. i'm trying to inject a little sanity into this place and it looks like the asylum is being overrun by the inmates.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 05:00:25 PM


listen, let's face facts here. you've got 35 years of "experience" but have no photographs up and train on a bowflex. candidizzle is a former fat kid that got lean thanks to coke and is getting big thanks to steroids. i'm trying to inject a little sanity into this place and it looks like the asylum is being overrun by the inmates.

Candi takes a lot of shit on here, but don't you think he deserves a little bit of credit for turning around his physique and devoting virtually all his free time to BBing? I think he looks pretty damn good for an 18 year old.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 05:01:11 PM
okay magoo, ill pot som pics of myself as a natural befor ei ever touched coke, you can  post a picture to own me with. if you do, then i admit you know much more about me than growing muscles. i win, then you must admit that you could learn from me.  :)
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 05:03:53 PM
okay magoo, ill pot som pics of myself as a natural befor ei ever touched coke, you can  post a picture to own me with. if you do, then i admit you know much more about me than growing muscles. i win, then you must admit that you could learn from me.  :)

agreed if pumpster enters.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 05:04:22 PM
okay magoo, ill pot som pics of myself as a natural befor ei ever touched coke, you can  post a picture to own me with. if you do, then i admit you know much more about me than growing muscles. i win, then you must admit that you could learn from me.  :)

Now we are getting somewhere. It's nice to see some harmless fun back on here after all the personal shit that's being slung lately.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 05:06:27 PM
agreed if pumpster enters.
pumpster wont enter. me as a natural coke free vs you...    you called ME out, remember
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 05:09:50 PM
agreed if pumpster enters.

Whats Pumpster got to do with this?
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 05:11:36 PM
pumpster wont enter. me as a natural coke free vs you...    you called ME out, remember

well if pumpster won't enter, we're at a bit of a roadblock because he's the real problem here. you're a young fella who's made pretty good progress but has let it go to his head and now thinks he's the king shit. pumpster touts 35 years of experience but has yet to give anyone a single reason to actually trust his advice. if you'll notice, he's the one i've really been arguing with.

even disregarding the pump-starr, what are the stipulations? how are we going to trust your age and drug status? do you expect me to have pictures from that age? or would you like to compare lifts?
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 05:13:10 PM
i have posted these pictures at much earlier dates. i can post a lilnk to origianal posting dates...shwoing that they were taken when i was still clean.  we can set up a poll, or just let people come and chime in on the thread.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 05:14:33 PM
well if pumpster won't enter, we're at a bit of a roadblock because he's the real problem here. you're a young fella who's made pretty good progress but has let it go to his head and now thinks he's the king shit. pumpster touts 35 years of experience but has yet to give anyone a single reason to actually trust his advice. if you'll notice, he's the one i've really been arguing with.

even disregarding the pump-starr, what are the stipulations? how are we going to trust your age and drug status? do you expect me to have pictures from that age? or would you like to compare lifts?

Don't mean to butt in, but that was my point. You two train different. Of course you are going to bury him on lifts. But Geo buries you on lifts and he doesn't tell BBers how to train. Now don't get all upset, cuz you know I am telling the truth here. Apples and Oranges, just like I said.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 15, 2008, 05:15:05 PM
::)

so that's where we are now, eh? you've lost any and all ability to discuss anything, so you resort to posting MY pictures (but not yours) and calling me a "hothead". didn't you PM me saying you deleted a post of mine because i was engaging in personal attacks? as the getbig terminology goes, epic hypocrisy.

listen, let's face facts here. you've got 35 years of "experience" but have no photographs up and train on a bowflex. candidizzle is a former fat kid that got lean thanks to coke and is getting big thanks to steroids. i'm trying to inject a little sanity into this place and it looks like the asylum is being overrun by the inmates.

Now that i've seen your pics, and see that in your continuing defensiveness you resort to personal crap at every turn, i can say the following:

-I have a better physique than you, dating back decades and continuing now in my 40s. I didn't bring it up before because i'm not interested in your juvenile testosterone-fueled need for a pissing contest.

-The stuff about the bowflex is hilarious, given that i like it and look good. gh15 also endorses it btw, someone much bigger and far more experienced than you-those who understand what training's about don't draw uninformed opinions about various options before trial and error, the way you do. Essentially you're a know-it-all but don't know much.

-You have a great physique for a burnout, which is what you look like.


Hope this helps.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 15, 2008, 05:17:44 PM
Of course you are going to bury him on lifts.

Let's be honest, you don't know that. The reason he would is that like a lot of BBs including Mel Anthony in the April Flex, I know with age and experience that it's unnecessary and even counter productive to continue to go as heavy as earlier years. That's if you like your joints and ligaments. And yet despite that, you get better workouts using less but still decent poundages.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 05:21:06 PM
Let's be honest, you don't know that. The reason he would is that like a lot of BBs including Mel Anthony in the April Flex, I know with age and experience that it's unnecessary and even counter productive to continue to go as heavy as earlier years. That's if you like your joints and ligaments. And yet despite that, you get better workouts using less but still decent poundages.

Magoo is a strong guy, I give credit where it's due. Candizzle just has more of a BBers physique. Not to mention he has the physique the chicks dig, until he gets too big on his stupid 'roids :P
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 05:24:46 PM
Magoo is a strong guy, I give credit where it's due. Candizzle just has more of a BBers physique. Not to mention he has the physique the chicks dig, until he gets too big on his stupid 'roids :P
well thats just the thing, i dont trai for women.. its something i do for myself.   although, when i do diet and get lean and i cant deny that hooking up with top notch pussy, or as i say the "face + body combo " is quite the perk...  ;D

any ways, maggoo, its your call bro; pick what ever pose youd liek, whatever your strongest one is (out of all of the previous ones ive posted...and i have got shots of all my muscles so you should be fine with any pose you wat to call out)
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 05:27:29 PM
pump-starr, if you're going to a) rip on me for the worst pics of me you could find, and b) make astronomical boasts about your build, maybe you should actually put up or shut up. right now you're a mouth and nothing more.

my pictures are out there, my lift videos are out there. i have put it out there and think that should be sufficient for everything i've said about myself. you can see what i look like and what i'm capable of.

and danny, all you're pointing out is that he's LEANER than me. we know that. also i'm STILL trying to figure out what your recent obsession with me on all three boards i post on is all about.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 15, 2008, 05:29:07 PM
pump-starr, if you're going to a) rip on me for the worst pics of me you could find, and b) make astronomical boasts about your

Actually it's for you to put up or shut up. YOU chose and posted those pics, which don't jive at all with any particular wisdom re: BB development. ;D

I luv the way u continue to make it personal BTW, it shows that you are easily overcome on a personal basis by this.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 05:30:32 PM
 in bodybuilding leanness isnt the only factor, so is SIZE, and aethstics, and balance. so if you have more muscle than me, like you say, than that will be taken into account in the judging.


what pose dude?
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 05:32:03 PM
Actually it's for you to put up or shut up. YOU chose and posted those pics, which don't jive at all with any particular wisdom re: BB development.

once again, prove you know better. if we're going by the standard of a physique which "jives" with one's advice, then it's time for you to show the world that yours "jives" 30 years better than myself. you tout your experience, which means you must look like an IFBB pro by now.

and besides, don't pull that crap of picking the worst shots i have. ::)
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 05:32:28 PM


and danny, all you're pointing out is that he's LEANER than me. we know that. also i'm STILL trying to figure out what your recent obsession with me on all three boards i post on is all about.

Again, I complimented the lift video. I said your ass was off the bench, big deal. Not sure what the third board is tbh. As far as this thread, it just seemed odd to tell Candi how to lift, I am sorry but he looks better than you man. Don't take it personally. You want to know why I never give lifting advice? Cuz I don't look good enough to warrant it. If this was a thread about PLing, of course I wouldn't have said a thing, but come on, just cuz I think you are a good guy doesn't mean I shouldn't speak my mind.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 05:33:43 PM
once again, prove you know better. if we're going by the standard of a physique which "jives" with one's advice, then it's time for you to show the world that yours "jives" 30 years better than myself. you tout your experience, which means you must look like an IFBB pro by now.

and besides, don't pull that crap of picking the worst shots i have. ::)

You look pretty big in that pic Magoo, much better pic than the two previous.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 05:35:10 PM
okay thats your shot, honestly you do look better in that one than you do in your others, BUT in  my own opinion im beating you here..   we will let the others decide though
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 05:37:52 PM
Again, I complimented the lift video. I said your ass was off the bench, big deal. Not sure what the third board is tbh. As far as this thread, it just seemed odd to tell Candi how to lift, I am sorry but he looks better than you man. Don't take it personally. You want to know why I never give lifting advice? Cuz I don't look good enough to warrant it. If this was a thread about PLing, of course I wouldn't have said a thing, but come on, just cuz I think you are a good guy doesn't mean I shouldn't speak my mind.

sigh. danny this is, in all honesty, the last time i'm going to try this with you because i get the idea that you just want to act a fool.

first off, my ass was not off the bench in the second video. secondly, the training board, the pet board, the PL board. you've followed me on all three posting solely in response to me in the most smart-ass manner possible. three, he is leaner than me but he also looks "better" than guys like MoS, but who would YOU ask about adding muscle?

the point of all this, the point of all this, is not that I am the be all and end all of knowledge. not once have i claimed to know all. hell a lot of my routine comes from advice from others (particularly wicked and lift4size). this is all because i challenged the "wisdom" of these two guys and their egos could not handle it.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 05:39:36 PM
okay thats your shot, honestly you do look better in that one than you do in your others, BUT in  my own opinion im beating you here..   we will let the others decide though

you are leaner than me. and i am 100% serious that i think your dietary dedication is goddamn impressive (even said so in your thread). you are, however, much smaller than me. i'm fat, you're small. see what i mean?

EDIT: and candy, i bear you no ill will. all i am saying is that i think you need to back up a bit and accept what your limitations are. you'll notice i -never- give out dietary advice except basic shit to people who were like me and needed to drop 50 pounds.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 05:41:12 PM
sigh. danny this is, in all honesty, the last time i'm going to try this with you because i get the idea that you just want to act a fool.

first off, my ass was not off the bench in the second video. secondly, the training board, the pet board, the PL board. you've followed me on all three posting solely in response to me in the most smart-ass manner possible. three, he is leaner than me but he also looks "better" than guys like MoS, but who would YOU ask about adding muscle?

the point of all this, the point of all this, is not that I am the be all and end all of knowledge. not once have i claimed to know all. hell a lot of my routine comes from advice from others (particularly wicked and lift4size). this is all because i challenged the "wisdom" of these two guys and their egos could not handle it.

The lift vid I was just asking cuz it looked close to being off the bench, the Pet board I was being a smart ass maybe cuz I didn't get the title, it sounded like something Toxic would type. But I wasn't being malicious. I apologize if you thought that, I didn't mean anything by it. Lets let GB decide who looks better.



http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=215278.0
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 05:42:27 PM
well i would say that my strength would not be in knowledge of how to eat properly, im just learning...   i would say that what i kow how to d best is train properly.    

diet down and see how much muscle you really have there dude.  i think youll see by the votes; people who know what is lean muscle and fat muscle will let you know howmuch muscle yoru really holding..
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: webcake on May 15, 2008, 05:53:17 PM
No hating here or anything, but if Magoo dieted down to Candi's BF, he would have noticeably more muscle mass than candi. Thats my opinion anyway...
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 05:57:52 PM
No hating here or anything, but if Magoo dieted down to Candi's BF, he would have noticeably more muscle mass than candi. Thats my opinion anyway...

well, if i could maintain it. one reason i'm not planning on doing a BB show any time soon is my dietary discipline isn't going to help me ride sub-210 unless i feel like sacrificing a lot of strength.  :-\
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 05:58:22 PM
No hating here or anything, but if Magoo dieted down to Candi's BF, he would have noticeably more muscle mass than candi. Thats my opinion anyway...
you gotta go post who you think is better on the g&o.   me or maggoo.   that is if you want to .
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 15, 2008, 06:00:46 PM
once again, prove you know better. if we're going by the standard of a physique which "jives" with one's advice, then it's time for you to show the world that yours "jives" 30 years better than myself. you tout your experience, which means you must look like an IFBB pro by now.

and besides, don't pull that crap of picking the worst shots i have. ::)

Another magoo meltdown & need for pissing contest. Grow up kid lol

Let's see the "good" pics-i only took what was available on gb, that you yourself posted.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 06:02:50 PM
well, if i could maintain it. one reason i'm not planning on doing a BB show any time soon is my dietary discipline isn't going to help me ride sub-210 unless i feel like sacrificing a lot of strength.  :-\

You can get your strength back Magoo. Unless you are competing in a PLing contest it's not that important anyway really. Get real lean, if only for the experience. I used to weigh 235(high bf) in high school, took anadrol 50 and test. cyponate for a few years, hence the bald head :( When I lost the weight and got down to 160ish at the end of my senior year I felt like a new man, dropped the longterm GF and fucked everything in sight.  :D
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 06:08:51 PM
You can get your strength back Magoo. Unless you are competing in a PLing contest it's not that important anyway really. Get real lean, if only for the experience. I used to weigh 235(high bf) in high school, took anadrol 50 and test. cyponate for a few years, hence the bald head :( When I lost the weight and got down to 160ish at the end of my senior year I felt like a new man, dropped the longterm GF and fucked everything in sight.  :D
dude you took that in high school?
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 06:10:55 PM
dude you took that in high school?

Yeah, I still have the God awful stretch marks and bald head to show for it. Taking steroids was the dumbest thing I have ever done. I lived and breathed working out, I was a fkn loser and didn't realize it. I even worked out on Friday nights ;D
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 06:15:47 PM
Yeah, I still have the God awful stretch marks and bald head to show for it. Taking steroids was the dumbest thing I have ever done. I lived and breathed working out, I was a fkn loser and didn't realize it. I even worked out on Friday nights ;D
thats being a loser.  :-[
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: Zaphod on May 15, 2008, 06:18:08 PM
You can get your strength back Magoo. Unless you are competing in a PLing contest it's not that important anyway really. Get real lean, if only for the experience. I used to weigh 235(high bf) in high school, took anadrol 50 and test. cyponate for a few years, hence the bald head :( When I lost the weight and got down to 160ish at the end of my senior year I felt like a new man, dropped the longterm GF and fucked everything in sight.  :D

Hahah, cool story. That little contest on the G&O brought me down here for the first time ever.  ;D

Magoo has a 225x20 bench video?  :o  That's sick.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 06:19:48 PM
thats being a loser.  :-[

Put it this way man, my buddies were out at parties and I was at the gym. I had a gf, but was too into working out. As soon as football was over, I got off the sauce, went on the slimfast diet and six months and 60 some odd pounds later I was having a blast.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 06:21:59 PM
Hahah, cool story. That little contest on the G&O brought me down here for the first time ever.  ;D

Magoo has a 225x20 bench video?  :o  That's sick.



i've done 365 for a single, i was trying a different grip that day.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 15, 2008, 06:22:04 PM
Nothing wrong with friday nite workouts, plenty of weekend to go around. Plus hey sometimes it's just fine just doing whatever u want.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 15, 2008, 06:23:42 PM
Nothing wrong with friday nite workouts, plenty of weekend to go around. Plus hey sometimes it's just fine just doing whatever u want.

Yeah, but I was 17 years old. Now at 34, sure no problem. But at 17 it's just not right.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 15, 2008, 06:26:10 PM
Yeah, but I was 17 years old. Now at 34, sure no problem. But at 17 it's just not right.

It's just fine at any age. There's plenty of time on weekends to do stuff or to do NOTHING, which is just fine.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 06:26:16 PM
Yeah, but I was 17 years old. Now at 34, sure no problem. But at 17 it's just not right.
lol man from 15-18 i was in the gym 7 days a week. friday nights are the best because no ones in the gym.  ;D

now im only in there 5 days a week cuz ive learned that my body actually grows better that way..  
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 15, 2008, 06:28:00 PM
haha, when i was 15-17 my nights were spent playing tekken and eating pringles.  :P
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: chaos on May 15, 2008, 07:12:47 PM
edit: irrelevant posts removed. let's try to stick to the subject guys and keep the fighting out of the training board.  :)
You may want to come back through this thread then asshole. ::)




Candi, is this a recent shot?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=215136.0;attach=252061;image)

Even if not, you are leaner, but Magoo is carrying alot more muscle mass than you, alot more.

pumpster, if you're going to rag on Magoo for how he looks and trains, shouldn't you put up a pic to compare you're technique to his?

Danielson............... how's it going bro? ;D


This thread was heavily edited by Bluto because of a convo candiass and I had last night, now you guys have bumped this shit to 3 pages of picking on Magoo because he says candidildo is full of himself, well he is. Candidildo thinks he knows every move about training, dieting and steroids. He needs a good reality check.


pumpster, "Melvin Anthony" says in the latest "Flex"...... ::) candi is like 18 or 19 he should be lifting heavy now, he is still young.  If your old ass doesn't want to that's fine, but why rag on Magoo for suggesting to lift heavy? You have taken this opportunity to talk shit like you know everything and have this great open mind, but you're not reading what Magoo is writing........hypocrit.



PS........HAHAHAHHAHAHAH AAAAAA you train on a bowflex and think it's OK cause some kunt called "gh15"  "endorses" it........BBWWWWahahahah ahaaa ;D


danielson........what are your workouts looking like these days?
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 07:22:18 PM
mellllttttttdoowwwnnnnn  ;D
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: chaos on May 15, 2008, 07:28:45 PM
mellllttttttdoowwwnnnnn  ;D
Wanna do back Saturday? Myself and a couple of other getbiggers will be there, we haven't decided on a bodypart, I did back today, but I'd be willing to rape you on Sat.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 07:33:04 PM
chaod heres my split

mon chest
tues quads calves
wed off
thurs back
fri shoulders hams
sat bis tris


Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 15, 2008, 07:33:35 PM
pumpster, "Melvin Anthony" says in the latest "Flex"...... ::) candi is like 18 or 19 he should be lifting heavy now, he is still young.  If your old ass doesn't want to that's fine, but why rag on Magoo for suggesting to lift heavy? You have taken this opportunity to talk shit like you know everything and have this great open mind, but you're not reading what Magoo is writing........hypocrit.



PS........HAHAHAHHAHAHAH AAAAAA you train on a bowflex and think it's OK cause some kunt called "gh15"  "endorses" it........BBWWWWahahahah ahaaa ;D


danielson........what are your workouts looking like these days?

Meltdown lol "Easy-reader", go back to the mag and this time read the article instead of just looking at the pics, because your reading comp and interpretations are frightening. I brought up the article because it supported what i was saying-Mel was lamenting the heavy lifting, implying it was unnecessary and said flat out he was lucky he wasn't f*** up for it. Man, your reading skillz are scary. BTW hypocrite has an e on the end and it wasn't an accident that you left it out hahaahahaha

As far as criticizing someone for lifting heavy, wrong again what i was doing was putting jr. in his place for assuming that heavy's the only solution. Again, your reading skillz left you befuddled lol
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 15, 2008, 07:52:33 PM
im at my house in norcal.

 i go to work for the first day tomorrow i gotta check what days im gonna be working.. it probably wont be this week dude..   
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: Zaphod on May 15, 2008, 09:27:44 PM


i've done 365 for a single, i was trying a different grip that day.

Sorry bro, can't clink the link. I've always been a light weight pumper and I might just get pissed off.  >:(

Born with shitty bench genetics  >:(
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 16, 2008, 03:25:37 AM


danielson........what are your workouts looking like these days?
I am doing chest, shoulders and tris 2 times a week. Back and bis twice and legs once. Switched running for the elliptical 4 times a week, cuz I am old and don't want my knees to hurt. My lifts are shit right now, been dieting since April, down about 8 pounds with 5 or so to go. Also, I wasn't laying into Magoo just to do it, I think Magoo is a good guy. I just don't think that he should be the one giving Candi advice considering Candi doesn't want to look like him at all.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 16, 2008, 03:35:30 AM
No harm no foul, danny my man. 8)

i meant for no flame war, just that i see countless young trainers bogged down over unneeded complications in their programs and EVERY one i convince to just go heavy and basic tells me how well it worked.

different for severely advanced lifters sure, but that's even true of PL. Look at advanced WSB routines. Point is us yound guys by and large do best with the DC idea of basing everything around progressively heavier weights on basic lifts.

yanno?
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: chaos on May 16, 2008, 05:20:18 AM
I am doing chest, shoulders and tris 2 times a week. Back and bis twice and legs once. Switched running for the elliptical 4 times a week, cuz I am old and don't want my knees to hurt. My lifts are shit right now, been dieting since April, down about 8 pounds with 5 or so to go. Also, I wasn't laying into Magoo just to do it, I think Magoo is a good guy. I just don't think that he should be the one giving Candi advice considering Candi doesn't want to look like him at all.
I use the elliptical also, I like the way it feels better than running. How can you be down 8lbs? Did you gain some weight?
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 16, 2008, 02:09:13 PM
I use the elliptical also, I like the way it feels better than running. How can you be down 8lbs? Did you gain some weight?

Yeah, I gained a few pounds over the winter, I usually do.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: jpm101 on May 16, 2008, 05:36:50 PM
A helpful suggestion to Cadidizzle, with no malice intended. Plan a good bulk phase the next 4 to 6 months. While also getting enough calories for the opportunity to gain pure muscle mass. And indeed, K.I.S.S.with heavy compound Big Boy exercises. Think at least 20 added pounds of muscle.  Might also pay attention to your whole shoulder girdle, with thickness in mind. Some high school and college football players I know  gain at lease 15 to 20 lbs of good quality muscle in 3 months. I have seem this with hundreds of guy's over the years. So why not you in 6 months?

Magoo produced a very impressive video. We have 250lb linemen who can not do 20 reps with that weight if their life depended on it. Magoo appears to have the developing mass. Sorry to say, Candidizzle does not. Rather be powerful looking than have a look of a  under muscled BB'er.  Oh well...just my nature I guess.

Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 16, 2008, 05:49:08 PM
A helpful suggestion to Cadidizzle, with no malice intended. Plan a good bulk phase the next 4 to 6 months. While also getting enough calories for the opportunity to gain pure muscle mass. And indeed, K.I.S.S.with heavy compound Big Boy exercises. Think at least 20 added pounds of muscle.  Might also pay attention to your whole shoulder girdle, with thickness in mind. Some high school and college football players I know  gain at lease 15 to 20 lbs of good quality muscle in 3 months. I have seem this with hundreds of guy's over the years. So why not you in 6 months?

Magoo produced a very impressive video. We have 250lb linemen who can not do 20 reps with that weight if their life depended on it. Magoo appears to have the developing mass. Sorry to say, Candidizzle does not. Rather be powerful looking than have a look of a  under muscled BB'er.  Oh well...just my nature I guess.


Big Boy exercises o brother
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 16, 2008, 05:54:35 PM
A helpful suggestion to Cadidizzle, with no malice intended. Plan a good bulk phase the next 4 to 6 months. While also getting enough calories for the opportunity to gain pure muscle mass. And indeed, K.I.S.S.with heavy compound Big Boy exercises. Think at least 20 added pounds of muscle.  Might also pay attention to your whole shoulder girdle, with thickness in mind. Some high school and college football players I know  gain at lease 15 to 20 lbs of good quality muscle in 3 months. I have seem this with hundreds of guy's over the years. So why not you in 6 months?

Magoo produced a very impressive video. We have 250lb linemen who can not do 20 reps with that weight if their life depended on it. Magoo appears to have the developing mass. Sorry to say, Candidizzle does not. Rather be powerful looking than have a look of a  under muscled BB'er.  Oh well...just my nature I guess.


hey bro after that pic  i did spend a couple months gaining size and got up to magoos body fat i looked big and powerful too,,, in my own honest opinion MUCH bigger and stronger than maggo looks in that pic....... try dieting down once and youll see that fat makes you look a whole lot bigger than you really are 

and i dont look much like either myself in that pic nor magoo in his pic now i look like complete garbage and i ought to be ashamed of the fact that this is what i look like even though i spend every waking second thinking eatign dreaming training insane and living bodybuiilding but yet i look like this all i can do is push the envelope further and further in every possible aspect of the sport and hope and pray a miracle happens and i finally dont look like a skinny/fat twink who may go to the gym and sit in the sauna and do some curls but thats it or maybe play some basketball and drink some gatorade but sure as hell not follow a bodybuding training regimin and bust his ass and eat 400+ grams proeint every day and kill every other aspect of my life to try to transform this piece of shit     

Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 16, 2008, 06:14:33 PM
hey bro after that pic  i did spend a couple months gaining size and got up to magoos body fat i looked big and powerful too,,, in my own honest opinion MUCH bigger and stronger than maggo looks in that pic....... try dieting down once and youll see that fat makes you look a whole lot bigger than you really are 



U nailed it, it's hard to believe that this basic truth has to be explained to anyone beyond a beginner. It's real simple and fun to pig out, gain weight and be bigger but in worse shape.

This type of personal crap is uncalled for and entirely unnecessary.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 16, 2008, 06:22:32 PM
hey bro after that pic  i did spend a couple months gaining size and got up to magoos body fat i looked big and powerful too,,, in my own honest opinion MUCH bigger and stronger than maggo looks in that pic....... try dieting down once and youll see that fat makes you look a whole lot bigger than you really are

now THESE are the pictures i'd like to see. if you could add any evidence that you were "MUCH stronger" than me as well that'd be great. :)
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: jpm101 on May 16, 2008, 06:24:28 PM
Sorry Candidizzle but I do no understand that last post of yours. Maybe more praying would help you. Current pic's please if you wish.

Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 16, 2008, 06:26:12 PM
now THESE are the pictures i'd like to see. if you could add any evidence that you were "MUCH stronger" than me as well that'd be great. :)
i dont take pictures of myself when im chubby/soft/fat sorry bro.. and no i said i looked bigger and stronger; ive never once ever in my life thought i was strong cuz truth be told im not very strong at all..well my back is kind of strong andmy legs are alright but other than that +thumbs down+
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 16, 2008, 06:27:28 PM


 Current pic's please.




now i look like complete garbage and i ought to be ashamed of the fact that this is what i look like even though i spend every waking second thinking eatign dreaming training insane and living bodybuiilding but yet i look like this all i can do is push the envelope further and further in every possible aspect of the sport and hope and pray a miracle happens and i finally dont look like a skinny/fat twink who may go to the gym and sit in the sauna and do some curls but thats it or maybe play some basketball and drink some gatorade but sure as hell not follow a bodybuding training regimin and bust his ass and eat 400+ grams proeint every day and kill every other aspect of my life to try to transform this piece of shit     


Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 16, 2008, 06:45:07 PM
But deleting posts calling you out on your bullshit is totally acceptable? ::)

Trolling posts like yours will be deleted. Contribute training info, you're not that interesting otherwise.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 16, 2008, 06:53:02 PM
and your cavalcade of posts calling me a "burned out trucker" and posting the worst shots of me you could find don't constitute trolling or personal attacks? ::)

I took the pics you posted, genius. Delete them if you're going to get all defensive now about em. FYI since you still haven't figured it out, you're not that interesting that i would look at and find every single post or pic of yours lol
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 16, 2008, 06:54:42 PM
Focus on training info kidz we haven't learn much yet from either of ya.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 16, 2008, 07:05:10 PM
another post-deleting spree? again, don't worry, i have screenshots.

just answer one question: does or does not your repeated calling me a "trucker" who looks "burned out" and ripping on my tattoos ad nauseum count as personal attacks? this is an honest question.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 16, 2008, 07:07:24 PM
another post-deleting spree? again, don't worry, i have screenshots.

just answer one question: does or does not your repeated calling me a "trucker" who looks "burned out" and ripping on my tattoos ad nauseum count as personal attacks? this is an honest question.

Wow those screenshots are important. ::)

If you looked like Sergio i'd say sure, you can continue with your one-dimensional training dogma without being called on it. You're not that advanced at all to be telling others that this is the only way to train nor to be as close-minded as you are. As someone with more experience who knows more about training than you do, i WILL call you on that.

As far as the truck driver stuff, let's get it straight: you suggested that you had a better physique than me, as justification for your narrow views. You were wrong lol and those pics really devalue your arrogance on this board.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 16, 2008, 07:11:49 PM
answer me, pump-starr.

you delete my posts for simply questioning your judgment and PM me complaining of "personal attacks", and then post rapid-fire posts of my most un-flattering pictures, calling me a "trucker" that looks "burnt out" not only here, but you followed it onto the G&O as well.

how is that NOT a personal attack?
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: chaos on May 16, 2008, 07:11:59 PM
As far as the truck driver stuff, let's get it straight: you suggested that you had a better physique than me, as justification for your narrow views. You were wrong lol
You never posted a pic tiny, of course Magoo looks better than you, keep deleting posts pussy, that's all you got.

And I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. :-*
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 16, 2008, 07:12:39 PM
You never posted a pic tiny, of course Magoo looks better than you, keep deleting posts pussy, that's all you got.

And I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. :-*

Man it's pretty obvious that you have NOTHING else goin on tonite lol
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: chaos on May 16, 2008, 07:13:00 PM
Man it's pretty obvious that you have NOTHING else goin on tonite lol
Nope.



You never posted a pic tiny, of course Magoo looks better than you, keep deleting posts pussy, that's all you got.

And I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. :-*

answer me, pump-starr.

you delete my posts for simply questioning your judgment and PM me complaining of "personal attacks", and then post rapid-fire posts of my most un-flattering pictures, calling me a "trucker" that looks "burnt out" not only here, but you followed it onto the G&O as well.

how is that NOT a personal attack?
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 16, 2008, 07:13:53 PM
Keep going boys, with anything but training lol i suggest pms to one another. :-*

Friday nite with "magoo" and "chaos".
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 16, 2008, 07:16:22 PM
Keep going guys, with anything but training lol i suggest pms to one another. :-*

all you have to do is answer the question and i will instantly stop it in here.

as for why i'm still posting, i had a long-ass day and i'm in SoCal in my on-the-beach cabin relaxing. too fucking tired to go out, so i'm just gonna sit here until i feel like falling asleep.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: chaos on May 16, 2008, 07:16:46 PM
Keep going guys, with anything but training lol i suggest pms to one another. :-*

Friday nite with "magoo" and "chaos".
This thread was fucked once you and candidildo and danielson spent three pages talking shit about Magoos training ideas. :-*
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 16, 2008, 07:17:31 PM
all you have to do is answer the question and i will instantly stop it in here.


You clearly don't comprehend that you're a terrible listener, unable and unwilling to address what i've mentioned, thus i'll take a pass on your questions lol
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 16, 2008, 07:18:14 PM
This thread was fucked once you and candidildo and danielson spent three pages talking shit about Magoos training ideas. :-*

You seem entirely absorbed in it, for some reason. What's up with that other than having no life...stick to training advice, if you have any.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 16, 2008, 07:25:41 PM
pumpy, how much longer are we gonna have to do this?

why can't you just say, clearly and explicitly, why you delete posts that disagree with you because of "personal attacks", but see no problems with parading around both this and the G&O boards attacking me like crazy?
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: chaos on May 16, 2008, 07:26:43 PM
You seem entirely absorbed in it, for some reason. What's up with that other than having no life...stick to training advice, if you have any.
I put training advice in my last post and your fat, pasty white ass deleted it, NAZI!!!!!!!!! >:(
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 16, 2008, 07:29:28 PM
I put training advice in my last post and your fat, pasty white ass deleted it, NAZI!!!!!!!!! >:(

MELTDOWN...Still waiting for the informed training info.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: chaos on May 16, 2008, 07:41:21 PM
MELTDOWN...Still waiting for the informed training info.
Here's how to get big........

Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: Mega Man on May 16, 2008, 09:19:20 PM
Narrow grip for width, wide grip for inner back.  Most people have that backwards.

Do you have any links with research backing this up? Everyone has a different opinion and seeing some facts or proof would be awesome!!! ;)

I trust you more than others just so you know, and you seem to be very kowlegeable in many areas....

I just though I'd ask anyways cause I read articles before saying the wider the grip the wider the back.

I think flex wheeler was doing wide grip rows to, and he said the wider grip developes more width?
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 16, 2008, 10:13:04 PM
the problem is: this is the wrong question. you can't make a muscle grow "outward" or "inward", it just grows.

so, what MAKES a back wide? lats. thus things that hit the lats will make it "wide". i'd say any vertical pulling works on that one. a thick back? that's the traps and all the central back muscles, which a lot of people say is more the target of the rows.

so if there is in fact any way to train for "width" or "thickness" specifically, just shift your focus to vertical or horizontal pulling, depending on what ya need.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 16, 2008, 10:33:13 PM
the problem is: this is the wrong question. you can't make a muscle grow "outward" or "inward", it just grows.

so, what MAKES a back wide? lats. thus things that hit the lats will make it "wide". i'd say any vertical pulling works on that one. a thick back? that's the traps and all the central back muscles, which a lot of people say is more the target of the rows.

so if there is in fact any way to train for "width" or "thickness" specifically, just shift your focus to vertical or horizontal pulling, depending on what ya need.
so you dont think that you can put more stress on one area of a muscle than another ? so inclines hit lower chest as effectively as declines do? and decllines hit upper chest as effectively as inclines do?

Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: Mega Man on May 16, 2008, 11:11:59 PM
Here's the clip of flex wheeler....wide grip...wide back....makes sense from the man with the best back ever!



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=396106211515466212&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1406574901974066519&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7510789165492501335&q=flex+wheeler&ei=TXkuSM_9G4jkrQKlh7CKCg&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8025943622869251164&q=flex+wheeler&ei=vHguSIGUOoa-qAKM9-yWCg&hl=en

Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: Bluto on May 17, 2008, 05:00:36 AM
i wouldnt care much what flex did for anything to be honest. too much of a genetic wonderboy

show me someone with a weak back that was able to bring it, that would be interesting
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: wes on May 17, 2008, 05:33:47 AM
Boy,talk about a thread veering way off course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just lift,eat,rest,and repeat !!  :)
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 17, 2008, 08:25:26 AM
Boy,talk about a thread veering way off course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just lift,eat,rest,and repeat !!  :)

bingo!!

and candy, that's correct. EMG tests will evidence that enough. oddly enough, decline dumbbell presses hit more of the pectoral muscles than incline barbell presses. that's overall, not any one specific area.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: danielson on May 17, 2008, 08:26:52 AM
bingo!!

and candy, that's correct. EMG tests will evidence that enough. oddly enough, decline dumbbell presses hit more of the pectoral muscles than incline barbell presses. that's overall, not any one specific area.

You saying we should not do inclines, declines and flat? Just pick one and stick to it?
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: jpm101 on May 17, 2008, 08:37:47 AM
If you have the bone structure and muscle inserts for an extra wide back, you should have no trouble to meet that full potential. Close to medium curl grip pulls (chins & bent over rows) call upon the lats more and seem to work well for most trainee's. But than again there are no absolutes in exercises. Wide may work for you much better. Have to find out for yourself how the body respones. Example; Like BP's may do nothing for the pec's, while dip can build slabs of muscle on them.

If doing DL's, or SLDl's, try to have the grip touching (or as near as you can) the inside collars. This extra wide grip give a great stretch and feel to the lat's. Consider the bent arm pullover, either BB or DB, as a top lat builder. This can be a great compound movement when heavier weight is used. The triceps, pec's and abs get there share of work also. If your gym has a quality pullover machine, with the elbows pulling, than by all means use that as a preferred lat builder.Good Luck.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 17, 2008, 09:17:36 AM
You saying we should not do inclines, declines and flat? Just pick one and stick to it?

if we're going to use the example of pros, we could point out that dorian only did inclines and i'd say his chest looked just fine.

you can mix things up for variety's sake, but don't fall into the trap of saying "well if don't do inclines i'll have a droopy chest" or "if i only do underhand chins my back won't get wide". there's no evidence of this, that's why no one can agree on where to grip for "width versus thickness". ::)

like wes said: lift, eat, sleep, repeat. quit overcomplicating it.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: pumpster on May 17, 2008, 09:53:41 AM
like wes said: lift, eat, sleep, repeat. quit overcomplicating it.

There's something to it but it's also smart to try different stuff, pay attention and find out what works.
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: candidizzle on May 17, 2008, 10:02:02 AM
sstick to flat bench and watch how your chest looks. ... loll... 
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: JOCKTHEGLIDE on May 17, 2008, 07:45:16 PM
sstick to flat bench and watch how your chest looks. ... loll... 
I once saw a guy with some ass pecs they were drooopy like they were going (nipples) outward towards his armpits all he did was bench he told me.  Then I saw another guy in college all he did was bench and had a great chest I guess its based on your genetics how your muscle flows from what excercise who knows...
Title: Re: wide back?
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 17, 2008, 08:00:54 PM
There's something to it but it's also smart to try different stuff, pay attention and find out what works.

well yeah, that's 100% true. you can't just pick random lifts and go for it. like JOCK said, one guy might not respond well to just flat benching all the time, another might. some guys really rock out the incline, generally it just screws up my shoulders (even working 135 aches no matter how i tweak my form). one guy'll get great legs from squats, another just gets ass and lower back.

find a basic lift that your muscles respond well to, work the hell out of it with progressively heavier weights, with some other things for variety (i don't think many people have the mental focus to do, say, 45 minutes of nothing but heavy sets of deadlifts).