Narrow grip for width, wide grip for inner back. Most people have that backwards.whoa ! ive been doign wide grip pull downs in attemt to widen my back... fuckljhlsfjnvldsr
yes, narrow grip for back width and a wide grip to work inner back.
just like close grip bicep curls work outer biceps, and wide grip curls work inner bicep
on lat pulldowns a wide grip will work your upper, outer lats, while a close grip will work your lower lats.
Underhand close grip pulldowns are a good exercise for lower lats, gets em nice and toasty.
Speaking of grips on curls. I was reading something the other day that the way you can figure out how to optimally hit the inner and outter bicep with BB curls is to stand over the par with your arms in a completely relaxed state, then basically turn them over palms up and this is how you should grip the bar to hit both heads. The guy said it wasn't an exact science but works pretty well. Anyone agree/disagree/thoughts? I always just varied grip on sets, but this seems interesting.
99% of us have no reason to worry about distinctions like that.
99% of us have no reason to worry about distinctions like that.i think its important to activate growth in every sector of the muscle... so understanding what kind of grip stresses which section of muscle fibers is soemthing that i, ersonally, wouuld pay attention to..
OKAY magoo i got no reason to argue with you do your own thing your obvisouly hard headed
you look at my back and it's wider and thicker than ever. my "secret"? i do pullups and rows with whatever grip helps me feel it in my back the best. either it's contracting or it isn't. width comes from lats and teres major. "thickness" is traps and lower back. your back hardly gives a shit where your hands are on the bar.
you say that as though you aren't. ::)
i respect your dedication and your attention to detail, all i'm saying is that you need to K.I.S.S. a bit. you're worrying too much about things that you have zero reason to concern yourself with.
i did the same thing for the longest time. i'd do front squats to target the teardrop of the quads, leg press with three different foot placements to target various areas. when i did chest, i'd do cable crossovers to get more out of my inner chest and on back day i'd pick exercises to work on this part or that part of my back. let's not forget how often i tried to juggle shoulder exercises depending on which head i thought needed work. ::)
these are the kinds of things newbies worry about because they get wrapped up in muscle and fitness magazine workout templates. they look at their barely-developed bodies and start envisioning muscle imbalances and then over-analyze their workouts. it's unnecessary.
guaranteed, guaran-fucking-teed, if more lifters did the majority of their work on each body part with one core movement instead of trying to hit it from 50 different angles, they'd progress a lot faster.
Based on your pics, i reiterate that there's much to be gained by open-mindedness. Even if one decides to "keep it simple" there are still good questions to ask as to what is simple-which exercises are best, how to do them, etc.
For example. alot of Schwarzenegger's back routines often didn't include BB rows, instead used T-bars, which i've always thought and said were similar yet arguably better. If you just stick to vanilla what the book says you miss out on some things that can be better.
dude, didn't you get all up in my grill in another thread because i brought up posting pictures? ::)
now that you're all up on mine, i guess that means we'll see yours next, right? ...right?
you are correct on "what exercise really is best", and i entirely think that's personal. maybe you respond to incline better than flat, or heavy chins instead of rows, but the point isn't trying to hit it from the right "angle", just trying to find out what gets the muscles stimulated best. getting bogged down in this "wait, i can't do skullcrushers, i already targeted the long head of my tris" bullshit is robbing a lot of trainers of potential gains.
No offense but that physique doesn't suggest that you know that much about training or that anywhere near your full potential's been realized, if (big if) you're even training hard.
No offense but that physique doesn't jive with your unequivocal judgements on training. You should be the first in line open to new suggestions if you wanna improve, if (big if) you're even training hard.
dude, are you for real? or should i be waiting for ashton kutcher to pop up. look at my training journal if you want an idea of how i train. keep in mind i've got videos there as well. i suggest the 225x20 bench video or the 455 platform pull and the 375 zercher. they're pretty recent.
and danny, i'm not sure what's up with you. you've abruptly started following me around to the training board, the PL board, and the pet board just to make dumb little comments. i'm honestly perplexed as to when you suddenly started having this hard-on for me.
dude, are you for real? or should i be waiting for ashton kutcher to pop up. look at my training journal if you want an idea of how i train. keep in mind i've got videos there as well. i suggest the 225x20 bench video or the 455 platform pull and the 375 zercher. they're pretty recent.
and danny, i'm not sure what's up with you. you've abruptly started following me around to the training board, the PL board, and the pet board just to make dumb little comments. i'm honestly perplexed as to when you suddenly started having this hard-on for me.
Call down, you seem like a real hothead. You still have a lot to learn based on the hard-headed intransigence you display re: other modes of training than the ones you've already "mastered". ::)
listen, let's face facts here. you've got 35 years of "experience" but have no photographs up and train on a bowflex. candidizzle is a former fat kid that got lean thanks to coke and is getting big thanks to steroids. i'm trying to inject a little sanity into this place and it looks like the asylum is being overrun by the inmates.
okay magoo, ill pot som pics of myself as a natural befor ei ever touched coke, you can post a picture to own me with. if you do, then i admit you know much more about me than growing muscles. i win, then you must admit that you could learn from me. :)
okay magoo, ill pot som pics of myself as a natural befor ei ever touched coke, you can post a picture to own me with. if you do, then i admit you know much more about me than growing muscles. i win, then you must admit that you could learn from me. :)
agreed if pumpster enters.pumpster wont enter. me as a natural coke free vs you... you called ME out, remember
agreed if pumpster enters.
pumpster wont enter. me as a natural coke free vs you... you called ME out, remember
well if pumpster won't enter, we're at a bit of a roadblock because he's the real problem here. you're a young fella who's made pretty good progress but has let it go to his head and now thinks he's the king shit. pumpster touts 35 years of experience but has yet to give anyone a single reason to actually trust his advice. if you'll notice, he's the one i've really been arguing with.
even disregarding the pump-starr, what are the stipulations? how are we going to trust your age and drug status? do you expect me to have pictures from that age? or would you like to compare lifts?
::)
so that's where we are now, eh? you've lost any and all ability to discuss anything, so you resort to posting MY pictures (but not yours) and calling me a "hothead". didn't you PM me saying you deleted a post of mine because i was engaging in personal attacks? as the getbig terminology goes, epic hypocrisy.
listen, let's face facts here. you've got 35 years of "experience" but have no photographs up and train on a bowflex. candidizzle is a former fat kid that got lean thanks to coke and is getting big thanks to steroids. i'm trying to inject a little sanity into this place and it looks like the asylum is being overrun by the inmates.
Of course you are going to bury him on lifts.
Let's be honest, you don't know that. The reason he would is that like a lot of BBs including Mel Anthony in the April Flex, I know with age and experience that it's unnecessary and even counter productive to continue to go as heavy as earlier years. That's if you like your joints and ligaments. And yet despite that, you get better workouts using less but still decent poundages.
Magoo is a strong guy, I give credit where it's due. Candizzle just has more of a BBers physique. Not to mention he has the physique the chicks dig, until he gets too big on his stupid 'roids :Pwell thats just the thing, i dont trai for women.. its something i do for myself. although, when i do diet and get lean and i cant deny that hooking up with top notch pussy, or as i say the "face + body combo " is quite the perk... ;D
pump-starr, if you're going to a) rip on me for the worst pics of me you could find, and b) make astronomical boasts about your
Actually it's for you to put up or shut up. YOU chose and posted those pics, which don't jive at all with any particular wisdom re: BB development.
and danny, all you're pointing out is that he's LEANER than me. we know that. also i'm STILL trying to figure out what your recent obsession with me on all three boards i post on is all about.
once again, prove you know better. if we're going by the standard of a physique which "jives" with one's advice, then it's time for you to show the world that yours "jives" 30 years better than myself. you tout your experience, which means you must look like an IFBB pro by now.
and besides, don't pull that crap of picking the worst shots i have. ::)
Again, I complimented the lift video. I said your ass was off the bench, big deal. Not sure what the third board is tbh. As far as this thread, it just seemed odd to tell Candi how to lift, I am sorry but he looks better than you man. Don't take it personally. You want to know why I never give lifting advice? Cuz I don't look good enough to warrant it. If this was a thread about PLing, of course I wouldn't have said a thing, but come on, just cuz I think you are a good guy doesn't mean I shouldn't speak my mind.
okay thats your shot, honestly you do look better in that one than you do in your others, BUT in my own opinion im beating you here.. we will let the others decide though
sigh. danny this is, in all honesty, the last time i'm going to try this with you because i get the idea that you just want to act a fool.
first off, my ass was not off the bench in the second video. secondly, the training board, the pet board, the PL board. you've followed me on all three posting solely in response to me in the most smart-ass manner possible. three, he is leaner than me but he also looks "better" than guys like MoS, but who would YOU ask about adding muscle?
the point of all this, the point of all this, is not that I am the be all and end all of knowledge. not once have i claimed to know all. hell a lot of my routine comes from advice from others (particularly wicked and lift4size). this is all because i challenged the "wisdom" of these two guys and their egos could not handle it.
No hating here or anything, but if Magoo dieted down to Candi's BF, he would have noticeably more muscle mass than candi. Thats my opinion anyway...
No hating here or anything, but if Magoo dieted down to Candi's BF, he would have noticeably more muscle mass than candi. Thats my opinion anyway...you gotta go post who you think is better on the g&o. me or maggoo. that is if you want to .
once again, prove you know better. if we're going by the standard of a physique which "jives" with one's advice, then it's time for you to show the world that yours "jives" 30 years better than myself. you tout your experience, which means you must look like an IFBB pro by now.
and besides, don't pull that crap of picking the worst shots i have. ::)
well, if i could maintain it. one reason i'm not planning on doing a BB show any time soon is my dietary discipline isn't going to help me ride sub-210 unless i feel like sacrificing a lot of strength. :-\
You can get your strength back Magoo. Unless you are competing in a PLing contest it's not that important anyway really. Get real lean, if only for the experience. I used to weigh 235(high bf) in high school, took anadrol 50 and test. cyponate for a few years, hence the bald head :( When I lost the weight and got down to 160ish at the end of my senior year I felt like a new man, dropped the longterm GF and fucked everything in sight. :Ddude you took that in high school?
dude you took that in high school?
Yeah, I still have the God awful stretch marks and bald head to show for it. Taking steroids was the dumbest thing I have ever done. I lived and breathed working out, I was a fkn loser and didn't realize it. I even worked out on Friday nights ;Dthats being a loser. :-[
You can get your strength back Magoo. Unless you are competing in a PLing contest it's not that important anyway really. Get real lean, if only for the experience. I used to weigh 235(high bf) in high school, took anadrol 50 and test. cyponate for a few years, hence the bald head :( When I lost the weight and got down to 160ish at the end of my senior year I felt like a new man, dropped the longterm GF and fucked everything in sight. :D
thats being a loser. :-[
Hahah, cool story. That little contest on the G&O brought me down here for the first time ever. ;D
Magoo has a 225x20 bench video? :o That's sick.
Nothing wrong with friday nite workouts, plenty of weekend to go around. Plus hey sometimes it's just fine just doing whatever u want.
Yeah, but I was 17 years old. Now at 34, sure no problem. But at 17 it's just not right.
Yeah, but I was 17 years old. Now at 34, sure no problem. But at 17 it's just not right.lol man from 15-18 i was in the gym 7 days a week. friday nights are the best because no ones in the gym. ;D
edit: irrelevant posts removed. let's try to stick to the subject guys and keep the fighting out of the training board. :)You may want to come back through this thread then asshole. ::)
mellllttttttdoowwwnnnnn ;DWanna do back Saturday? Myself and a couple of other getbiggers will be there, we haven't decided on a bodypart, I did back today, but I'd be willing to rape you on Sat.
pumpster, "Melvin Anthony" says in the latest "Flex"...... ::) candi is like 18 or 19 he should be lifting heavy now, he is still young. If your old ass doesn't want to that's fine, but why rag on Magoo for suggesting to lift heavy? You have taken this opportunity to talk shit like you know everything and have this great open mind, but you're not reading what Magoo is writing........hypocrit.
PS........HAHAHAHHAHAHAH AAAAAA you train on a bowflex and think it's OK cause some kunt called "gh15" "endorses" it........BBWWWWahahahah ahaaa ;D
danielson........what are your workouts looking like these days?
i've done 365 for a single, i was trying a different grip that day.
I am doing chest, shoulders and tris 2 times a week. Back and bis twice and legs once. Switched running for the elliptical 4 times a week, cuz I am old and don't want my knees to hurt. My lifts are shit right now, been dieting since April, down about 8 pounds with 5 or so to go. Also, I wasn't laying into Magoo just to do it, I think Magoo is a good guy. I just don't think that he should be the one giving Candi advice considering Candi doesn't want to look like him at all.
danielson........what are your workouts looking like these days?
I am doing chest, shoulders and tris 2 times a week. Back and bis twice and legs once. Switched running for the elliptical 4 times a week, cuz I am old and don't want my knees to hurt. My lifts are shit right now, been dieting since April, down about 8 pounds with 5 or so to go. Also, I wasn't laying into Magoo just to do it, I think Magoo is a good guy. I just don't think that he should be the one giving Candi advice considering Candi doesn't want to look like him at all.I use the elliptical also, I like the way it feels better than running. How can you be down 8lbs? Did you gain some weight?
I use the elliptical also, I like the way it feels better than running. How can you be down 8lbs? Did you gain some weight?
A helpful suggestion to Cadidizzle, with no malice intended. Plan a good bulk phase the next 4 to 6 months. While also getting enough calories for the opportunity to gain pure muscle mass. And indeed, K.I.S.S.with heavy compound Big Boy exercises. Think at least 20 added pounds of muscle. Might also pay attention to your whole shoulder girdle, with thickness in mind. Some high school and college football players I know gain at lease 15 to 20 lbs of good quality muscle in 3 months. I have seem this with hundreds of guy's over the years. So why not you in 6 months?
Magoo produced a very impressive video. We have 250lb linemen who can not do 20 reps with that weight if their life depended on it. Magoo appears to have the developing mass. Sorry to say, Candidizzle does not. Rather be powerful looking than have a look of a under muscled BB'er. Oh well...just my nature I guess.
A helpful suggestion to Cadidizzle, with no malice intended. Plan a good bulk phase the next 4 to 6 months. While also getting enough calories for the opportunity to gain pure muscle mass. And indeed, K.I.S.S.with heavy compound Big Boy exercises. Think at least 20 added pounds of muscle. Might also pay attention to your whole shoulder girdle, with thickness in mind. Some high school and college football players I know gain at lease 15 to 20 lbs of good quality muscle in 3 months. I have seem this with hundreds of guy's over the years. So why not you in 6 months?hey bro after that pic i did spend a couple months gaining size and got up to magoos body fat i looked big and powerful too,,, in my own honest opinion MUCH bigger and stronger than maggo looks in that pic....... try dieting down once and youll see that fat makes you look a whole lot bigger than you really are
Magoo produced a very impressive video. We have 250lb linemen who can not do 20 reps with that weight if their life depended on it. Magoo appears to have the developing mass. Sorry to say, Candidizzle does not. Rather be powerful looking than have a look of a under muscled BB'er. Oh well...just my nature I guess.
hey bro after that pic i did spend a couple months gaining size and got up to magoos body fat i looked big and powerful too,,, in my own honest opinion MUCH bigger and stronger than maggo looks in that pic....... try dieting down once and youll see that fat makes you look a whole lot bigger than you really are
hey bro after that pic i did spend a couple months gaining size and got up to magoos body fat i looked big and powerful too,,, in my own honest opinion MUCH bigger and stronger than maggo looks in that pic....... try dieting down once and youll see that fat makes you look a whole lot bigger than you really are
now THESE are the pictures i'd like to see. if you could add any evidence that you were "MUCH stronger" than me as well that'd be great. :)i dont take pictures of myself when im chubby/soft/fat sorry bro.. and no i said i looked bigger and stronger; ive never once ever in my life thought i was strong cuz truth be told im not very strong at all..well my back is kind of strong andmy legs are alright but other than that +thumbs down+
Current pic's please.
now i look like complete garbage and i ought to be ashamed of the fact that this is what i look like even though i spend every waking second thinking eatign dreaming training insane and living bodybuiilding but yet i look like this all i can do is push the envelope further and further in every possible aspect of the sport and hope and pray a miracle happens and i finally dont look like a skinny/fat twink who may go to the gym and sit in the sauna and do some curls but thats it or maybe play some basketball and drink some gatorade but sure as hell not follow a bodybuding training regimin and bust his ass and eat 400+ grams proeint every day and kill every other aspect of my life to try to transform this piece of shit
But deleting posts calling you out on your bullshit is totally acceptable? ::)
and your cavalcade of posts calling me a "burned out trucker" and posting the worst shots of me you could find don't constitute trolling or personal attacks? ::)
another post-deleting spree? again, don't worry, i have screenshots.
just answer one question: does or does not your repeated calling me a "trucker" who looks "burned out" and ripping on my tattoos ad nauseum count as personal attacks? this is an honest question.
As far as the truck driver stuff, let's get it straight: you suggested that you had a better physique than me, as justification for your narrow views. You were wrong lolYou never posted a pic tiny, of course Magoo looks better than you, keep deleting posts pussy, that's all you got.
You never posted a pic tiny, of course Magoo looks better than you, keep deleting posts pussy, that's all you got.
And I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. :-*
Man it's pretty obvious that you have NOTHING else goin on tonite lolNope.
You never posted a pic tiny, of course Magoo looks better than you, keep deleting posts pussy, that's all you got.
And I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. :-*
answer me, pump-starr.
you delete my posts for simply questioning your judgment and PM me complaining of "personal attacks", and then post rapid-fire posts of my most un-flattering pictures, calling me a "trucker" that looks "burnt out" not only here, but you followed it onto the G&O as well.
how is that NOT a personal attack?
Keep going guys, with anything but training lol i suggest pms to one another. :-*
Keep going guys, with anything but training lol i suggest pms to one another. :-*This thread was fucked once you and candidildo and danielson spent three pages talking shit about Magoos training ideas. :-*
Friday nite with "magoo" and "chaos".
all you have to do is answer the question and i will instantly stop it in here.
This thread was fucked once you and candidildo and danielson spent three pages talking shit about Magoos training ideas. :-*
You seem entirely absorbed in it, for some reason. What's up with that other than having no life...stick to training advice, if you have any.I put training advice in my last post and your fat, pasty white ass deleted it, NAZI!!!!!!!!! >:(
I put training advice in my last post and your fat, pasty white ass deleted it, NAZI!!!!!!!!! >:(
MELTDOWN...Still waiting for the informed training info.Here's how to get big........
Narrow grip for width, wide grip for inner back. Most people have that backwards.
the problem is: this is the wrong question. you can't make a muscle grow "outward" or "inward", it just grows.so you dont think that you can put more stress on one area of a muscle than another ? so inclines hit lower chest as effectively as declines do? and decllines hit upper chest as effectively as inclines do?
so, what MAKES a back wide? lats. thus things that hit the lats will make it "wide". i'd say any vertical pulling works on that one. a thick back? that's the traps and all the central back muscles, which a lot of people say is more the target of the rows.
so if there is in fact any way to train for "width" or "thickness" specifically, just shift your focus to vertical or horizontal pulling, depending on what ya need.
Boy,talk about a thread veering way off course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just lift,eat,rest,and repeat !! :)
bingo!!
and candy, that's correct. EMG tests will evidence that enough. oddly enough, decline dumbbell presses hit more of the pectoral muscles than incline barbell presses. that's overall, not any one specific area.
You saying we should not do inclines, declines and flat? Just pick one and stick to it?
like wes said: lift, eat, sleep, repeat. quit overcomplicating it.
sstick to flat bench and watch how your chest looks. ... loll...I once saw a guy with some ass pecs they were drooopy like they were going (nipples) outward towards his armpits all he did was bench he told me. Then I saw another guy in college all he did was bench and had a great chest I guess its based on your genetics how your muscle flows from what excercise who knows...
There's something to it but it's also smart to try different stuff, pay attention and find out what works.