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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: theworm on May 31, 2008, 02:17:08 PM
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anyone ever try it?
seems like one of the best stacks as to avoid hair loss/acne/gyno! any comments on this?
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plus, no need to an anti-estrogen....
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many sites seems to like EQ by itself:
600mg x 2weeks, 400 x 12 more weeks, seems to be pretty effective, with no gyno, no acne, and no hair loss.
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I would not run anything without a test base. Most will not get away with it without unwanted sides.
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just started some eq..fuck i love this shit its so awesome. though i have not tried primo so i guess i really have nothing relevant to add to this thread, sorry guys! :-\
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I like primo but find it best at 800mg a week for me , It is very dear unfortunatly and 4th is right test is your friend...some guys can run cycles without test but they tend to be a minority ;)
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ok, what about
400EQ weekly, and only 250 test E? all for 10 weeks.
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advice on the following,,,
whats better, the above, or an oral tbol cycle for 6-8 weeks alone?
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ok, what about
400EQ weekly, and only 250 test E? all for 10 weeks.
Well the theory is ,when you use other aas type drugs other than testosterone you are going to shut yourself down hard..All the horrible sides you get with low to no testosterone like low or no sex drive,no or floppy erections ,lack of drive and the list goes on..you need to at least have a replacement dose in your system.
250mg a week in most cases should be enough,but I always run test at a higher dose to other compounds .Though I did run primo @ 800mg and Test E @ 500mg and got some nice lean gains.
I prefer nandralone to EQ if its pure mass you are chasing? EQ needs to be run for quite a long period to get the really good gains that it can produce , 15 - 20 weeks ,well that is what I found in my case.
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advice on the following,,,
whats better, the above, or an oral tbol cycle for 6-8 weeks alone?
T-BOL might be ok by itself if you are a female BB ;D
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anyone ever try it?
seems like one of the best stacks as to avoid hair loss/acne/gyno! any comments on this?
If you are extremely afraid of these sides don't do steroids. All steroids can cause these, to different degrees but the risk is still there.
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If you are extremely afraid of these sides don't do steroids. All steroids can cause these, to different degrees but the risk is still there.
i know this, but differnt compounds have different side, such as if you are prone to gyno, EQ and tbol produce much less risk of gyno. its all about minimizing risk.
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No need to really worry about gyno just make sure you have proper ancillaries on hand before you start the cycle. Tbol can cause gyno just as bad as test. Most sides can be combated, or severely diminished with the proper tools and knowledge.
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tbol does not cause gyno. Test definately causes gyno.
As for tbol, fortunately the 4-chloro alteration makes it NOT highly subject to aromatization, so gynocomastia is not an issue, nor is excess water retention.
so test causes gyno, and tbol does not. thats what i am saying that each roid has its own unique benefits and side effects.
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T-BOL might be ok by itself if you are a female BB ;D
ok, so tbol 50mg for 7 weeks verse:
EQ 600 week 1
EQ 600 week 2
weeks 3-15 400 EQ plus 500 sustanon qweek
Both cycles same price, but i think option number 2 is the way to go! still with min side effects and good gains...
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tbol does not cause gyno. Test definately causes gyno.
As for tbol, fortunately the 4-chloro alteration makes it NOT highly subject to aromatization, so gynocomastia is not an issue, nor is excess water retention.
so test causes gyno, and tbol does not. thats what i am saying that each roid has its own unique benefits and side effects.
You are wrong bro because I have personally had very sore nipples from tbol. Ive known people to get gyno from M1T and that is not supposed to aromatize at all. It does not take much to cause gyno for people that are very gyno prone. Why, why, why are you so scared of gyno? We have ancillaries that control and I mean completely knock it out. Its not like you are going to blow up over night and scratch your head in the morning mirror and see Dolly Pardon staring back at you. I think you just need to back away from the key board and really think through what you really want from a cycle. If you want to add some serious size use the tried and true. Test, deca, dbol, and eat like a horse!
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ok, so tbol 50mg for 7 weeks verse:
EQ 600 week 1
EQ 600 week 2
weeks 3-15 400 EQ plus 500 sustanon qweek
Both cycles same price, but i think option number 2 is the way to go! still with min side effects and good gains...
Sus and EQ would be my pick from those two options.But I prefer Test E over Sus with a test P front load for 2-3 weeks. ;D
Have your ancillerys at hand just in case..
I always run nolva at 10mg a day during my heavier periods "just in case"
If you eat well ,train hard and rest correctly a cycle of Test/EQ will give you some nice gains , Tbol by itself would not even come close.But if you chucked it in with the Test/EQ it will poteniate your gains even more so..by itself I wouldnt waste my money imo :)
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I thought primo was a test?
I might be wrong.
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I thought primo was a test?
I might be wrong.
DHT Derivative mate
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DHT Derivative mate
That's it :0)
Ive never been graced with primo's presence and at 30ish a g
was a little to much for me.
thank you my friend
I knew it was off somewhere
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ok, so tbol 50mg for 7 weeks verse:
EQ 600 week 1
EQ 600 week 2
weeks 3-15 400 EQ plus 500 sustanon qweek
Both cycles same price, but i think option number 2 is the way to go! still with min side effects and good gains...
my opinion...... =
keep eq at 600 all the way through and start sustanon day 1...id rather have you on enan or cyp tho..to me sust = shit.. its more expensive and its much less stable delivery into the blood..(but test is test regardless) ...
tbol at 50 mg weeks 16,17,18 then start pct week 19..
hcg all the way though.. start AI 1 day before first injection.. run pct with clomid and hcg and the ai..
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tbol does not cause gyno. Test definately causes gyno.
As for tbol, fortunately the 4-chloro alteration makes it NOT highly subject to aromatization, so gynocomastia is not an issue, nor is excess water retention.
so test causes gyno, and tbol does not. thats what i am saying that each roid has its own unique benefits and side effects.
All steroids can cause gyno, even if they don't aromatize. Whenever there's a hormonal imbalance of sorts there's a risk. Water retention same thing, estrogen isn't the only hormone that causes water retention.
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my opinion...... =
keep eq at 600 all the way through and start sustanon day 1...id rather have you on enan or cyp tho..to me sust = shit.. its more expensive and its much less stable delivery into the blood..(but test is test regardless) ...
tbol at 50 mg weeks 16,17,18 then start pct week 19..
hcg all the way though.. start AI 1 day before first injection.. run pct with clomid and hcg and the ai..
I would not start the ai util you know it is needed. Some have no need for it.
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I would not start the ai util you know it is needed. Some have no need for it.
yeah your right.
my thought process on the subject is that i am injecting testosterone, i want testosteron, not estrogen. so take no chances and keep all that good stuff as good stuff
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yeah your right.
my thought process on the subject is that i am injecting testosterone, i want testosteron, not estrogen. so take no chances and keep all that good stuff as good stuff
You need estrogen also just not more than your test ;D
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You need estrogen also just not more than your test ;D
AI's, used properly, will not completely eliminate estrogen, they'll lower it to the amount you would normally have, or close to it.
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AI's, used properly, will not completely eliminate estrogen, they'll lower it to the amount you would normally have, or close to it.
:)
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i use 50mg atd every day for my ai. i think that probably keeps it close to normal.
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I have posted the studies to prove this: 1mg adex ed will bring estrogen levels down to a healthy normal while on 500mg test ew. Unless you convert at a higher rate than normal. Most will not need the full 1mg ed.
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I have posted the studies to prove this: 1mg adex ed will bring estrogen levels down to a healthy normal while on 500mg test ew. Unless you convert at a higher rate than normal. Most will not need the full 1mg ed.
you need more ai with increasing doseages of androgens ? i didnt know that
makes sense though
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sus=shit ??????,,, probly the best bodybuilding drug going, real sus that is... u can get as fancy as u want, but u cant beat good old sus,decca and dbol.
sus,decca,dbol=muscles(big ones)
i dont agree with any cycle that doesnt have test as a base
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sus=shit ??????,,, probly the best bodybuilding drug going, real sus that is... u can get as fancy as u want, but u cant beat good old sus,decca and dbol.
sus,decca,dbol=muscles(big ones)
i dont agree with any cycle that doesnt have test as a base
well sustanon has to be injected every other day. and sustanon mg to mg is more expensive than single heavy estered testosterones like enanthate or cypionate. 250mg of sus will be excatly the same effectiveness as 250 mg of cyp or enan, but the cyp or enan will be cheaper and you can inject them with less frequency and still have stable blood levels
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i can only speak from 1st hand experience on the matter.....
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i can only speak from 1st hand experience on the matter.....
are you saying you have used equal amounts of sustanon and enan or cyp and gotten better gains from the sustanon ?
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im just sick of hearing your replies to questions such as this when u havnt had any experience 1st hand, come back in 5 yrs after youve done a few shows and have a physique to prove and back up your theories...
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im asking you a question DUDE
whats theory about knowing price comparison, knowing ester half lives, and knowing that a certain amount of mg of test is just as effective as another amount of mg of test
keep your negative posts off this board
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thing is, i have tried all them, ive tried almost everything in different combinations, barring insulin, ....all 3 esthers are priced the same in my experience too
my problem is why answer questions on here when your a complete begginer?
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so your syaing you have taken an equal doseage of sustanon and a single estered product and you noticed a difference?
i will only reply to a question if i know the answer.
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SO COULD YOU GIVE ME A GOOD STACK PLAN TO FOLLOW FOR EQ & T350..IM NEW TO THIS AND THIS WILL BE MY SECOND CYCLE....MY FIRST ONE WAS 10 WEEK @ T200 THEN DIRECTLY TO T 350...I WILL BE GETTING A 50 ML EQ AND A 10 ML BOTTLE OF T350 HELP PLEASE.
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well if you read my 1st post on this, youd see i said u cant beat sus,decca,dbol.... not enth, not cyp,,,, thats whats always given me the best results personaly. Test is test at the end of the day, but i always seem to react very well to sus.
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well if you read my 1st post on this, youd see i said u cant beat sus,decca,dbol.... not enth, not cyp,,,, thats whats always given me the best results personaly. Test is test at the end of the day, but i always seem to react very well to sus.
I have to agree.
sus has 4 test combo
Also if it is a good source then golden :0)
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sus has 4 test combo
and combining four different esters adds WHAT exactly ?
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and combining four different esters adds WHAT exactly ?
All test is good.
Why are you so fuckin pissed tonight.
I'm not on anyones side.
I just like what sus does for me.
The easy rought is testE or testCyp
Less injects equals less test pain
Longer lasting ester is cool too
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im not pissed bro. my bad if it seemed that way.
enanthate and cyionate can be injected less frequently....every other day ( how often you have to inject sustanon because of the prop ) OR they can be injected every 3, 4, maybe even 5th day and still keep blood levels stable..
so if were comparing 250mg test vs 250 mg test bu one can be injected anywhere from every day up to once every 5 days, while the other has to be injected no less frequent than every other day.. ill go with the more versatile testosterone. and alot of places, especially UG labs, sust is more expensive than single ester...just because most guys dont know that adding in different esters doesn do anything extra
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You are right.
Sus is a little unstable.
Mine is 300mg but even at that
I have weird days.
Its prob a waist but I usually do
a ml and a half (500mg test combo) and it works well.
I still wish power house labs was running.
spertest500 (250mg of testE and testC)
potent
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well if neither of you have took real i am sus, omandren etc, u dont know what your missing out on, ug is know where near..
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well if neither of you have took real i am sus, omandren etc, u dont know what your missing out on, ug is know where near..
5 percent ba content? No thanx
Dea tested mine and said it was good.
I don't think I can get better than that.
Also those counterfeit amps are everywhere.
Good luck with that :0)
Your talking with pros here :0)
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well if neither of you have took real i am sus, omandren etc, u dont know what your missing out on, ug is know where near..
i have taken organon sustanon ( both labels ) and also omnadrens... as well as eco oils sustanon, alins sustanon, and alins higher dosed "super test" whihch is also a blend like sustanon...and i have also used a UG lab sustanon .. so i have experience with a bunch of sust. products bro... on a side note, alins 450mg dosed supertest doesnt hit as hard as 250mg of the human grade ...
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i have taken organon sustanon ( both labels ) and also omnadrens... as well as eco oils sustanon, alins sustanon, and alins higher dosed "super test" whihch is also a blend like sustanon...and i have also used a UG lab sustanon .. so i have experience with a bunch of sust. products bro... on a side note, alins 450mg dosed supertest doesnt hit as hard as 250mg of the human grade ...
WoW
Do you think its quality control?
Have you taken the Norma 2ml deca's
If so, any good. I think I've got about 20 somewhere but
the ba's at 5 percent (ouch)
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WoW
Do you think its quality control?
Have you taken the Norma 2ml deca's
If so, any good. I think I've got about 20 somewhere but
the ba's at 5 percent (ouch)
i think its alin just being the scammer that he is. lol
never taken the norma hella's... but everything i hear about them is that they are top notch..best out... nextr un i want to try them if i get a chance..
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I switched from sus to testE and I'm on my second shot.
Feel pretty good. A little more umpf.
Also seems more balanced