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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: OTHstrong on June 03, 2008, 12:57:39 PM
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Anyone here that uses diuretics to compete familiar with Furosemide, a potassium sparing diuretic?
Took one 40 mg pill the other day and within 3 hours pissed out 5 pounds. just curiouse.
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Furosemide is Lasix. Not potassium sparing obviously.
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I know its lasixbut there are different bforms of lasix. Are you sure they aren't potassium sparing?
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I'm pretty sure there's just one type of Lasix. Lasix is a brand name and furosemide is the ingredient. It's a loop diuretic and not potassium sparing.
What would the other "types" of Lasix contain? You probably mean that furosemide is marketed under different brand names.
Some of the brand names under which furosemide is marketed include: Aisemide, Beronald, Desdemin, Discoid, Diural, Diurapid, Dryptal, Durafurid, Errolon, Eutensin, Frusetic, Frusid, Fulsix, Fuluvamide, Furesis, Furix, Furo-Puren, Furosedon, Hydro-rapid, Impugan, Katlex, Lasilix, Lasix, Lodix, Lowpston, Macasirool, Mirfat, Nicorol, Odemase, Oedemex, Profemin, Rosemide, Rusyde, Salix, Trofurit, Urex, Frudix
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I'm pretty sure there's just one type of Lasix. Lasix is a brand name and furosemide is the ingredient. It's a loop diuretic and not potassium sparing.
What would the other "types" of Lasix contain? You probably mean that furosemide is marketed under different brand names.
I`m a competitve bodybuilder, but I`ve always used the same diuretics the day before show and lose 7-10 pounds,but I came across these yellow pills that say APO and have a 40 on them so just testing them out before my next show. Was under the impression they were P-sparring, but if they are not then no big deal. Thanks for the info.
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I`m a competitve bodybuilder, but I`ve always used the same diuretics the day before show and lose 7-10 pounds,but I came across these yellow pills that say APO and have a 40 on them so just testing them out before my next show. Was under the impression they were P-sparring, but if they are not then no big deal. Thanks for the info.
Hey bro you really need to know exactly what you're taking and if it's potassium sparing or not. :o
http://chealth.canoe.ca/drug_info_details.asp?brand_name_id=211
40 mg
Each yellow, round, flat-faced with bevelled edge tablet, scored and identified "APO" over "40", contains furosemide 40 mg.
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just go with diazyde man
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just go with diazyde man
agreed.
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agreed.
I have gone with them before, my show is not until Nov. so I don't have a problem expiriencing with other diuretics in the mean time. I only take diuretics 12 hours before a show in periods 0f 3 hours. I think its stupid to do diuretics 3 days before a show. By the friday one should be lean and dry anyway,
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furosemide is definately a loop agent.not only will it cause water and potassium loss but also sodium and chloride . you obviously no little of diuretics and i cant understand why you would try anything like that without researching 1st.theres a very fine line between the electrolytes that regulate the heart. you would be better taking it 20mgs at a time allowing 4-5hours before your next dose to make sure the 1st has worn off and ideally supplementing with 1-2g of a timed release potassium .i'd suggest you be better taking 100mg spironolactone daily for 3-5 days prior to the show they will give you a more gradual reduction of subcantaneous water and you should retain more intracellular water. if you feel you are flattening out take in small amounts of water with a few carbs taking it back into the muscle.
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furosemide is definately a loop agent.not only will it cause water and potassium loss but also sodium and chloride . you obviously no little of diuretics and i cant understand why you would try anything like that without researching 1st.theres a very fine line between the electrolytes that regulate the heart. you would be better taking it 20mgs at a time allowing 4-5hours before your next dose to make sure the 1st has worn off and ideally supplementing with 1-2g of a timed release potassium .i'd suggest you be better taking 100mg spironolactone daily for 3-5 days prior to the show they will give you a more gradual reduction of subcantaneous water and you should retain more intracellular water. if you feel you are flattening out take in small amounts of water with a few carbs taking it back into the muscle.
Damn wheres this guy been sounds like he knows some stuff.
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furosemide is definately a loop agent.not only will it cause water and potassium loss but also sodium and chloride . you obviously no little of diuretics and i cant understand why you would try anything like that without researching 1st.theres a very fine line between the electrolytes that regulate the heart. you would be better taking it 20mgs at a time allowing 4-5hours before your next dose to make sure the 1st has worn off and ideally supplementing with 1-2g of a timed release potassium .i'd suggest you be better taking 100mg spironolactone daily for 3-5 days prior to the show they will give you a more gradual reduction of subcantaneous water and you should retain more intracellular water. if you feel you are flattening out take in small amounts of water with a few carbs taking it back into the muscle.
First off you don't even know anything about me to tell me how many mg I should take, second safety and contest prep are 2 different points of view, third I know how to load my potassium accoredingly- its called experience. The last type of advice I need is from someone that has book smart, this counts for zero campared to the real world. I was looking for a competitor that has used it the day before his show, thats all. The 3 day approach is horse dump. 12 hours is all I need and I come with striated glutes, no offence but researching anything in a book is stupid, what I need is feedback from someone who has experience. If an educated university scholer from oxford un. only knew the things we put ourselves through they would have a heart attack.
To put things in perspective so you understand. The dryness I like to achieve is so extreme that if you were to put me in a sauna it would take 10 minutes for a drop to come out. If I took my time doing this like you said I would be in my grave. I need to lose my water extremely fast for less then a day then put it back in, timing is everything.
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First off you don't even know anything about me to tell me how many mg I should take, second safety and contest prep are 2 different points of view, third I know how to load my potassium accoredingly- its called experience. The last type of advice I need is from someone that has book smart, this counts for zero campared to the real world. I was looking for a competitor that has used it the day before his show, thats all. The 3 day approach is horse dump. 12 hours is all I need and I come with striated glutes, no offence but researching anything in a book is stupid, what I need is feedback from someone who has experience. If an educated university scholer from oxford un. only knew the things we put ourselves through they would have a heart attack.
To put things in perspective so you understand. The dryness I like to achieve is so extreme that if you were to put me in a sauna it would take 10 minutes for a drop to come out. If I took my time doing this like you said I would be in my grave. I need to lose my water extremely fast for less then a day then put it back in, timing is everything.
Experience is great but when it comes to diuretics the more you know the better. Duration of action, time of onset, etc. Book smarts don't hurt here.
Anyway, the one's I know who use Lasix prefer the injectable. More reliable, more control.
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Experience is great but when it comes to diuretics the more you know the better. Duration of action, time of onset, etc. Book smarts don't hurt here.
Anyway, the one's I know who use Lasix prefer the injectable. More reliable, more control.
Yep knowledge cant hurt. This board needs more of it, Van and the Vet have stepped it up some and bring some good stuff!
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Yep knowledge cant hurt. This board needs more of it, Van and the Vet have stepped it up some and bring some good stuff!
Agreed. Well informed, considered, and supported opinions every time from those guys.
Oops, and you too man! ;D
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Yep knowledge cant hurt. This board needs more of it, Van and the Vet have stepped it up some and bring some good stuff!
correct
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First off you don't even know anything about me to tell me how many mg I should take, second safety and contest prep are 2 different points of view, third I know how to load my potassium accoredingly- its called experience. The last type of advice I need is from someone that has book smart, this counts for zero campared to the real world. I was looking for a competitor that has used it the day before his show, thats all. The 3 day approach is horse dump. 12 hours is all I need and I come with striated glutes, no offence but researching anything in a book is stupid, what I need is feedback from someone who has experience. If an educated university scholer from oxford un. only knew the things we put ourselves through they would have a heart attack.
To put things in perspective so you understand. The dryness I like to achieve is so extreme that if you were to put me in a sauna it would take 10 minutes for a drop to come out. If I took my time doing this like you said I would be in my grave. I need to lose my water extremely fast for less then a day then put it back in, timing is everything.
best post of the day.
everyone/ anyone can crack a book and tell you how it's 'supposed' to work.
but experience with making it work is a different world.
these are the posters who like to sound intelligent, but have no clue about prep, diets or the drugs they are giving advise about. they know only what they read.
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best post of the day.
everyone/ anyone can crack a book and tell you how it's 'supposed' to work.
but experience with making it work is a different world.
these are the posters who like to sound intelligent, but have no clue about prep, diets or the drugs they are giving advise about. they know only what they read.
If it makes you feel any better I can barley read...shouldn't be a suprise...the combo of years of AAS abuse and the fact that I'm a card carrying conservative makes for one big fat dumb ass 8)
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fuck no idea this depleting water was so complicated. i figured you got cut and lean,,, depleted carbs with high sodium and water,. then cxut the sodium and water out added in carbs and took a bunch o pills and PRESTO magic striations... but i guess thats wrong ?
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fuck no idea this depleting water was so complicated. i figured you got cut and lean,,, depleted carbs with high sodium and water,. then cxut the sodium and water out added in carbs and took a bunch o pills and PRESTO magic striations... but i guess thats wrong ?
Just stop drinking water and wack off every 2hrs and you'll be fine.
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aaaahhh much simpler. nice.
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aaaahhh much simpler. nice.
I'm glad a liberal democrat such as yourself could see my wisdom ;)
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well if you had to calssify me into idealogy i would be a moderate ( other wise known as "indecisive" ) libertarian... or, better stated... i am a fence rider.. LOL
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well if you had to calssify me into idealogy i would be a moderate ( other wise known as "indecisive" ) libertarian... or, better stated... i am a fence rider.. LOL
Dizzle I like you, so don't take too much offense to this. I've always considered a moderate or fence rider to be an indecisive person. Granted, if you want to ride the fence by all means that's your right. But I stand very firm in my political beliefs...in all my beliefs for that matter. That does not mean I am a stubborn stump who can not listen to reason. As I mature and as life brings forth differant challenges and aspects I haven't seen before, certain views do change and evolve.
Now you haven't been on this board as long as some others here. Guys like Rim, Luv, etc are very familiar with my views on such things...I've voiced them several times in the past...its been a while though. So now you know...Arnold jr is for the most part a very right winged thinking man. I wouldn't say I really lean to the right, it's more of a hard crash to the right, lol! Both in terms of social and fiscal views.
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no offense bud; i dont take politics too seriously... i think things should be done a certain way, sure; but i realize im in no position to make even the slightest impact on the policies of the country ... so to me it doesnt matter much.. in fact i live in california where the votes are already decided 9always gonna be a blue state) so i dont even vote... i would tho if i was in a swing state
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no offense bud; i dont take politics too seriously... i think things should be done a certain way, sure; but i realize im in no position to make even the slightest impact on the policies of the country ... so to me it doesnt matter much.. in fact i live in california where the votes are already decided 9always gonna be a blue state) so i dont even vote... i would tho if i was in a swing state
Things change though Candy. It wasn't always a blue state...it was red for years and maybe one day it will be again. This time, probably not, but one day maybe. Here where I live it was always a blue state...but not the past 2 elections...so things do change.
As for me, I do get into the whole political thing a good bit. I majored in political science, have been an active member of the Republican party since I was 18, have worked in 1 Governor campaign, 2 congressional campaigns and numerous local campaigns. I once debated a legitimate card carrying Communist from Oxford in a debate held on campus at my college...I was the representative from the young Republicans...I wouldn't say I brought forth a mind blowing debate...the guy was very well educated and far more experienced then I was. But I actually made him lose his composure at one point to where he leaned over at me and called me an evil person...now that made my day, lol!
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If it makes you feel any better I can barley read...shouldn't be a suprise...the combo of years of AAS abuse and the fact that I'm a card carrying conservative makes for one big fat dumb ass 8)
sounds like we are both in the same boat.
:)
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Things change though Candy. It wasn't always a blue state...it was red for years and maybe one day it will be again. This time, probably not, but one day maybe. Here where I live it was always a blue state...but not the past 2 elections...so things do change.
As for me, I do get into the whole political thing a good bit. I majored in political science, have been an active member of the Republican party since I was 18, have worked in 1 Governor campaign, 2 congressional campaigns and numerous local campaigns. I once debated a legitimate card carrying Communist from Oxford in a debate held on campus at my college...I was the representative from the young Republicans...I wouldn't say I brought forth a mind blowing debate...the guy was very well educated and far more experienced then I was. But I actually made him lose his composure at one point to where he leaned over at me and called me an evil person...now that made my day, lol!
I was the youngest lead intern in the country for about 6 months time... untill the congressman i was workign under lost his re-election bid because of ethics accusations... caught up in the abramoff deal...
google " richard pombo congressional district 11 "
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First off you don't even know anything about me to tell me how many mg I should take, second safety and contest prep are 2 different points of view, third I know how to load my potassium accoredingly- its called experience. The last type of advice I need is from someone that has book smart, this counts for zero campared to the real world. I was looking for a competitor that has used it the day before his show, thats all. The 3 day approach is horse dump. 12 hours is all I need and I come with striated glutes, no offence but researching anything in a book is stupid, what I need is feedback from someone who has experience. If an educated university scholer from oxford un. only knew the things we put ourselves through they would have a heart attack.
To put things in perspective so you understand. The dryness I like to achieve is so extreme that if you were to put me in a sauna it would take 10 minutes for a drop to come out. If I took my time doing this like you said I would be in my grave. I need to lose my water extremely fast for less then a day then put it back in, timing is everything.
to put things into perspective for you i tried your approach and the dryness i acheived put me in hospital,when i finally came round the doctors put things into perspective for me they told me the tests they had finally managed to do after 1st having to partly hydrate me because after several attempts they were struggling to get any blood to even do a test,pointed to possible organ failure /kidney failure and a future on dialasys(excuse spelling if wrong) ,and an urgent need for more tests.fortunately i was drifting in and out of conciousness at this point so the information they were giving didnt even register.thankfully after 4 whole litres of saline and not 1 piss later i did come round and the readings on the tests gradually and finally returned to acceptable levels.not only had 14weeks of pure ball ache, depravation and a shit load of money been for nothing but i was told i wouldn't have made the morning if i hadn't got to hospital .but if you choose to gob off at some sensible advice "you asked for" i wish i had kept my gob shut and let you fuk yourself up the way i did.taking lasix off season or even six weeks out is a whole different story to taking it prior to a show when your already dehydrated.so although you shouted off at me i shall still offer you my advice from my "EXPERIENCE" and tell you take max 20mg at a time at 4-5 hour intervals before you show purely because if i could prevent a death of a bodybuilder through my experiences i will .your choice mate !
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best post of the day.
everyone/ anyone can crack a book and tell you how it's 'supposed' to work.
but experience with making it work is a different world.
these are the posters who like to sound intelligent, but have no clue about prep, diets or the drugs they are giving advise about. they know only what they read.
shut up prick,wheres your advice?
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to put things into perspective for you i tried your approach and the dryness i acheived put me in hospital,when i finally came round the doctors put things into perspective for me they told me the tests they had finally managed to do after 1st having to partly hydrate me because after several attempts they were struggling to get any blood to even do a test,pointed to possible organ failure /kidney failure and a future on dialasys(excuse spelling if wrong) ,and an urgent need for more tests.fortunately i was drifting in and out of conciousness at this point so the information they were giving didnt even register.thankfully after 4 whole litres of saline and not 1 piss later i did come round and the readings on the tests gradually and finally returned to acceptable levels.not only had 14weeks of pure ball ache, depravation and a shit load of money been for nothing but i was told i wouldn't have made the morning if i hadn't got to hospital .but if you choose to gob off at some sensible advice "you asked for" i wish i had kept my gob shut and let you fuk yourself up the way i did.taking lasix off season or even six weeks out is a whole different story to taking it prior to a show when your already dehydrated.so although you shouted off at me i shall still offer you my advice from my "EXPERIENCE" and tell you take max 20mg at a time at 4-5 hour intervals before you show purely because if i could prevent a death of a bodybuilder through my experiences i will .your choice mate !
I appriciate your concern, I had a drowning experience a few years a go, sucked back a tank of oxygen on the beach shore then taking to hospital by helicoptor and was in and out of conciouse, similer to what you said you experience. My whole body cramped up and the doctor told me he was concern about me having organ failure because my body couldn't control its electorlites. Believe me its a scary feeling. I shouted off at you (as you put it) because your post came off as you being educated and the information came from a book even though the thread specifially asked for copmpetitors only, however if what you said came from experience you should have said so and reaction would have been more sensible. No hrad feelings my friend. I assume you tried this for a bodybuilding show and if so I take it you would never compete again.
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I appriciate your concern, I had a drowning experience a few years a go, sucked back a tank of oxygen on the beach shore then taking to hospital by helicoptor and was in and out of conciouse, similer to what you said you experience. My whole body cramped up and the doctor told me he was concern about me having organ failure because my body couldn't control its electorlites. Believe me its a scary feeling. I shouted off at you (as you put it) because your post came off as you being educated and the information came from a book even though the thread specifially asked for copmpetitors only, however if what you said came from experience you should have said so and reaction would have been more sensible. No hrad feelings my friend. I assume you tried this for a bodybuilding show and if so I take it you would never compete again.
didnt feel i needed to tell you it came from experience,that was in your question. i tried to educate myself prior to using it and still fukd up.the info i gave came from experience and research.i shall compete but i've learned from my mistakes.the thing is looking back i didnt need it anyway . the best advice i can offer is that if youve done things right you shouldn't really need dieuretics
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easy sweetheart- i wasn't pointing the finger at you, but since you feel the shoe fits...
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I cramp up bad on lasix
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easy sweetheart- i wasn't pointing the finger at you, but since you feel the shoe fits...
like i said wheres your advice.sweetheart=ur gay.you were pointing at me . i never once mentioned any shoes."no one "is the most accurate name you could possibly have come up with and to top it off your still a prick
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like i said wheres your advice.sweetheart=ur gay.you were pointing at me . i never once mentioned any shoes."no one "is the most accurate name you could possibly have come up with and to top it off your still a prick
thank you.
are you going to be ok, cupcake?
you sound a little upset.
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thank you.
are you going to be ok, cupcake?
you sound a little upset.
hahahaha
Destroying another noob on the boards again? ;D
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hahahaha
Destroying another noob on the boards again? ;D
lol.
poor kid.
he won't recover.
;D
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lol.
poor kid.
he won't recover.
;D
not at all upset an ive hardly been destroyed,just think u an that pandemonium are a pair of pricks who between you have managed to contribute fuk all to what was a serious thread
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not at all upset an ive hardly been destroyed,just think u an that pandemonium are a pair of pricks who between you have managed to contribute fuk all to what was a serious thread
on behalf of pandaemonium, who i am sure be here at a later time to thank you himself, i would like to say we appreciate your concern for how lightly we seem to be taking the advises you gave earlier in the thread.
i myself, will endeavour in the near future to regard you with the utmost respect and will become more aware of possibly hurting your sensitivities, nancy.
now please allow me to pour you a lovely beverage of shut the fuck up, as a token of apology just to smooth over any unwanted bad feelings.
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on behalf of pandaemonium, who i am sure be here at a later time to thank you himself, i would like to say we appreciate your concern for how lightly we seem to be taking the advises you gave earlier in the thread.
i myself, will endeavour in the near future to regard you with the utmost respect and will become more aware of possibly hurting your sensitivities, nancy.
now please allow me to pour you a lovely beverage of shut the fuck up, as a token of apology just to smooth over any unwanted bad feelings.
i doubt you could possibly hurt me or my sensitivity,cheers for the glass of shut the fuk up,and i in return of your kind consideration would like to offer you a three course meal of eat my shite,follwed with a hearty main consisting of choke on that,and a generous dollop of pandemonium spunk for dessert(mmmm your favourite)
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i doubt you could possibly hurt me or my sensitivity,cheers for the glass of shut the fuk up,and i in return of your kind consideration would like to offer you a three course meal of eat my shite,follwed with a hearty main consisting of choke on that,and a generous dollop of pandemonium spunk for dessert(mmmm your favourite)
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(http://)only a shit stabber would ever say a bird with an ass like that was a failure
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(http://)only a shit stabber would ever say a bird with an ass like that was a failure
i'm beginning to think you are mildly retarded.
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i doubt you could possibly hurt me or my sensitivity,cheers for the glass of shut the fuk up,and i in return of your kind consideration would like to offer you a three course meal of eat my shite,follwed with a hearty main consisting of choke on that,and a generous dollop of pandemonium spunk for dessert(mmmm your favourite)
Is it too much to ask you to run your posts through spell-check? I can't make heads or tails of half that drivel.
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It would be appreciated if you guys had anything further negative to say to each other to take it to PM's or somewhere else.
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It would be appreciated if you guys had anything further negative to say to each other to take it to PM's or somewhere else.
Sorry bro, no prob. "drop set" already sent me two nasty hate filled PMs anyway. :D
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Sorry bro, no prob. "drop set" already sent me two nasty hate filled PMs anyway. :D
hey...
how come you get two and i don't get any?
as if.
like your more rude than me and deserve two or something.
you have reached the apex my friend when you receive nasty pm's.
i truly envy you.
keep up the good work.
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hey...
how come you get two and i don't get any?
as if.
like your more rude than me and deserve two or something.
you have reached the apex my friend when you receive nasty pm's.
i truly envy you.
keep up the good work.
hahaha as we speak I am sending you a "FUCCCK YOU" PM ;D
By the way, don't get too jealous. In one of those PMs, "drop set" made what can only be construed as a gay pass at me. >:(
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i'm beginning to think you are mildly retarded.
not retarded but i must be bordering on insane to carry on arguing with a gay called no one
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Sorry bro, no prob. "drop set" already sent me two nasty hate filled PMs anyway. :D
havent sent you fuk all,i'd like to say a few things to your face but i dont suppose that would be possible so whatever i have to say i'll say here so everyone can see.you weak pathetic b*stard . why do your comments only ever consist of ,"hahahahaha " ,kissin someones ass or tryin to put people down .if you were bullied at school thats your problem fukin deal with it.an its a shame you cant run your head through "read check" because theres nothing up with my spelling
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havent sent you fuk all,i'd like to say a few things to your face but i dont suppose that would be possible so whatever i have to say i'll say here so everyone can see.you weak pathetic b*stard . why do your comments only ever consist of ,"hahahahaha " ,kissin someones ass or tryin to put people down .if you were bullied at school thats your problem fukin deal with it.an its a shame you cant run your head through "read check" because theres nothing up with my spelling
You might wanna get some meds for that anger problem. It's gonna take years off your life. Just looking out for your best interests.
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You might wanna get some meds for that anger problem. It's gonna take years off your life. Just looking out for your best interests.
medication didnt work so i just smack twats like you its far more rewarding.you take medication for your schizophrenia ?one minute your doggin me the next your lookin out for my best interests,seems you have several personalities non of which now what the fuk the others upto.hopefully 1 day all your personalities will forget your other personalities have already taken your tablets,you'l o.d,die and probably be found 3 months later by a neighbour wondering what the putrid smell is coming from your shed where youl be found amongst a stash of child porn sitting on a rubber cock .with pictures of all the bullies from school with knives and blood drawn all over them stuck to the walls .they'l find a dog dead from starvation next to you its arse all torn where youve repeatedly raped it with garden utensils cause your cock didnt touch the sides . a pile of empty cider bottles full of piss and a letter from your mum sayin why she left you in box with a bag on your head an fukd off without a trace when you were 1 etc etc
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Guys... really, enough. No need to egg each other on or keep replying to each other. This isn't the G&O and we'd like to keep discussions here civil. If you have a problem, take it elsewhere. Thanks.
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medication didnt work so i just smack twats like you its far more rewarding.you take medication for your schizophrenia ?one minute your doggin me the next your lookin out for my best interests,seems you have several personalities non of which now what the fuk the others upto.hopefully 1 day all your personalities will forget your other personalities have already taken your tablets,you'l o.d,die and probably be found 3 months later by a neighbour wondering what the putrid smell is coming from your shed where youl be found amongst a stash of child porn sitting on a rubber cock .with pictures of all the bullies from school with knives and blood drawn all over them stuck to the walls .they'l find a dog dead from starvation next to you its arse all torn where youve repeatedly raped it with garden utensils cause your cock didnt touch the sides . a pile of empty cider bottles full of piss and a letter from your mum sayin why she left you in box with a bag on your head an fukd off without a trace when you were 1 etc etc
lol.
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medication didnt work so i just smack twats like you its far more rewarding.you take medication for your schizophrenia ?one minute your doggin me the next your lookin out for my best interests,seems you have several personalities non of which now what the fuk the others upto.hopefully 1 day all your personalities will forget your other personalities have already taken your tablets,you'l o.d,die and probably be found 3 months later by a neighbour wondering what the putrid smell is coming from your shed where youl be found amongst a stash of child porn sitting on a rubber cock .with pictures of all the bullies from school with knives and blood drawn all over them stuck to the walls .they'l find a dog dead from starvation next to you its arse all torn where youve repeatedly raped it with garden utensils cause your cock didnt touch the sides . a pile of empty cider bottles full of piss and a letter from your mum sayin why she left you in box with a bag on your head an fukd off without a trace when you were 1 etc etc
What's with the nastiness? I thought I made it plain I wanted to bury the hatchet ???
BTW, chill out with the hate PMs. That's FIVE you've sent me in 24 hours. I would like to treat you respectfully but you're making it very hard.
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another thread ruined ::)
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another thread ruined ::)
the whole reason the argument initially started. pandaemonium aka "puffonapodium" should accept responsibility for fukin the thread, being a prick,grow some balls ,stop tellin tales, sit down an shut the fuk up!