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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: theworm on June 10, 2008, 06:11:23 PM
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ok, there was a study of 260 men ages 18-38 or so, given 40 mg of anavar a day for 12 weeks.
they gained an average of 4 pounds of lean muscle and lost fat.
MOST IMPORTANT point= they did NOT work out!
so my quess is if they worked out they could have manybe gained 8-10. and this is ANAVAR only! there goes all yall's theories that "YOU NEED TEST IN A CYCLE"! bullshit.
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You could take tren and probably get the same results.
I guess you just completely misunderstand the basic reasoning of having test as a base in every cycle. Var, along with other AAS is suppressive to the bodies natural production of hormones. When the HPT axis detects exogenous sources of androgens it starts shutting natural production down. Whether you gain muscle or not, it's safe and healthy to substitute an exogenous source of testosterone to replace the natural levels that aren't being produced.
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negative.
test did go down slightly, but still was present in physiological levels. so although it does suppress test, it was only marginal.
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negative.
test did go down slightly, but still was present in physiological levels. so although it does suppress test, it was only marginal.
Without a link to the study it's difficult to discuss details. Secondly, while var might have a lesser impact on the HPT axis, the reasoning behind running test with other compounds is still valid.
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I understand your rational for a test base, however:
I think you should not be as dogmatic as you are.
Test is not always needed, case in point: LEE PRIEST
he has done a great job without using TEST at all. how do you explain that?
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I know 2 subjects now on a VAR only anabolic.
They are takeing 20mg a day.
I can't say what sport. All I can say is lean muscle
and fat loss are reported.
Its sad we have our own lab rats and it cost nothing
while the gov wont even give testing a glance.
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Without a link to the study, this thread is useless ;D
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test did go down slightly, but still was present in physiological levels. so although it does suppress test, it was only marginal.
I don't think so. Like the others said post a link.
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I understand your rational for a test base, however:
I think you should not be as dogmatic as you are.
Test is not always needed, case in point: LEE PRIEST
he has done a great job without using TEST at all. how do you explain that?
Dont tell me you beleive Lee when he says he uses 250mg nandralone and a small amount of winstrol just before shows and is clean at other times of the year ???
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I understand your rational for a test base, however:
I think you should not be as dogmatic as you are.
Test is not always needed, case in point: LEE PRIEST
he has done a great job without using TEST at all. how do you explain that?
lol.
he lies.
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I've done numerous anavar only cycles (20-40 mgs) some as long as 16 weeks. I did blood work following the longest cycle to see how my body was handling a 17aa. Eveything was fine except for my lipids which were a little jacked up. I've since corrected this by consuming more fish and supplementing with omega3's caps. I also learned that at my age 37 (35 at time of cycle), it's better to use a small amount of test after week 8 and continuing through the rest of the cycle.
I don't think you need to run test with every cycle, but it doesn't hurt either. JMO
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Link to a study?
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ok, there was a study of 260 men ages 18-38 or so, given 40 mg of anavar a day for 12 weeks.
they gained an average of 4 pounds of lean muscle and lost fat.
MOST IMPORTANT point= they did NOT work out!
so my quess is if they worked out they could have manybe gained 8-10. and this is ANAVAR only! there goes all yall's theories that "YOU NEED TEST IN A CYCLE"! bullshit.
quite possible, as they didnt even train this was most likely to be the 1st cycle any of them had done.you need to show the study with information on the studies inc. diet before and during,their work e.g manual labour and any other activities , exercise they did.even so im not sure this will prove anything of much interest.
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lol.
he lies.
;D
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ok, there was a study of 260 men ages 18-38 or so, given 40 mg of anavar a day for 12 weeks.
they gained an average of 4 pounds of lean muscle and lost fat.
MOST IMPORTANT point= they did NOT work out!
so my quess is if they worked out they could have manybe gained 8-10. and this is ANAVAR only! there goes all yall's theories that "YOU NEED TEST IN A CYCLE"! bullshit.
I don't think "yall's" theories state that test is required for a cycle. ::) I also don't think anyone's here will argue that taking legit AAS (any AAS) will result in gains.
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it was in the August 2006 MD, center article.
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it was in the August 2006 MD, center article.
reliable source ::)
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they quoted s study from a real journal though....;)
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they quoted s study from a real journal though....;)
Did they supply info about original source?
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Did they supply info about original source?
Im sure they got it from a UG no one knows about. ::)
Also i thought the gov had to ok drug studies.
Hell, id sponcer a drug study
Its not that expensive.
O, thats right, they need to over budget so they can
fund there pocket books or send the excess to fund bullshit
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Did they supply info about original source?
muscular development is a very good source for information benz. its much different than flex. they always cite legit studies and always present good accurate sceintific info.
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muscular development is a very good source for information benz. its much different than flex. they always cite legit studies and always present good accurate sceintific info.
I wouldn't go that far. They can & do have good info sometimes. But don't forget they have an agenda.
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but at least they list their citations!
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but at least they list their citations!
I'll give them that. I never said it wasn't (at times) a good mag. It just shouldn't be considered the pinnacle of sports science & sports nutrition studies.
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muscular development is a very good source for information benz. its much different than flex. they always cite legit studies and always present good accurate sceintific info.
Is it your "bible" ?
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Is it your "bible" ?
no that would be anabolics 2006 , poliquin principles, and "fats that heal fats that kill"
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no that would be anabolics 2006 , poliquin principles, and "fats that heal fats that kill"
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