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Everyone is denying this tape exists (where Obama's wife says mean things). Rush LImbaugh reportedly is changing his wording to reflect a 'rumor' of a tape. Obama flatly denies a tape exists, said she never said it, and demands evidence - he invited them to show the damn tape.
Was the tape nothing more than a desperate plea to boost lagging fundraisers?
Was it nothing more than a lie, created by a desperate Rove, to demonize Obama's wife, because they can't find anything on Barack?
*sorry - this was meant for political board!
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what tape?
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what tape?
Rush went on the radio and promised a tape of Obama's wife saying 'whitey'. It likely doesn't exist. The repub groups that claimed to have it, promised it would come out 9 days ago, and they won't talk about it now, or why it's not coming out.
it was a smear job, most likely. Only 8% of the Bush big money backers have donated to Mccain, and FOX and other outlets have a new plan to demonize Michelle Obama, because people just like Obama so much. I'm not the world's biggest Obama fan, but this is outright dirty politics. Reminds me of 2000, when Rove called voters in S. Carolina and flirted with the idea of mccain having an illigetimate African-American baby. It was an outright lie, and it cost Mccain the nomination.
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FOX news accused him and wife of a terrorist salute for a simple fist pump.
Can these people get any more desperate?
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Look what the demonization of Hillary achieved back in 1992.
Thanks, GOP! >:(
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Look what the demonization of Hillary achieved back in 1992.
Thanks, GOP! >:(
The problem here is that thanks to the web, and 7 years of obvious lies, most republicans are getting wise to the dirty tricks, and kinda offended.
I'm a lifelong republican voter. I hated Bill Clinton passionately. I loved Bush. Then I found about about the letting 911 happen, the WMD lie for iraqi oil, and the heavy borrowing so corporations can get rich... and I'm soured to the idea of 4 more years of this stuff. I'm a lifelong republican, well-educated, and well-versed in politics. I don't like Obama, but I like the idea of 4 more year of Bush, even less.
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Everyone is denying this tape exists (where Obama's wife says mean things). Rush LImbaugh reportedly is changing his wording to reflect a 'rumor' of a tape. Obama flatly denies a tape exists, said she never said it, and demands evidence - he invited them to show the damn tape.
Was the tape nothing more than a desperate plea to boost lagging fundraisers?
Was it nothing more than a lie, created by a desperate Rove, to demonize Obama's wife, because they can't find anything on Barack?
*sorry - this was meant for political board!
240 = Obama apologist
Since your so sure Rove created the lie, you should have no problem proving it.
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I bet somethings out there as the women has a huge mouth and her rhetoric scares me. Every time I hear her speak I just get this image of her chanting "Workers of the World Unite!!!!"
And yes I know things that McCain has said, but I'm not talking about him right now.
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I bet somethings out there as the women has a huge mouth and her rhetoric scares me. Every time I hear her speak I just get this image of her chanting "Workers of the World Unite!!!!"
And yes I know things that McCain has said, but I'm not talking about him right now.
Ya...and we sure don't want workers united. they might want things like weekends, and 8 hour days and child labor laws and a minimum wage.
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Rush went on the radio and promised a tape of Obama's wife saying 'whitey'. It likely doesn't exist. The repub groups that claimed to have it, promised it would come out 9 days ago, and they won't talk about it now, or why it's not coming out.
it was a smear job, most likely. Only 8% of the Bush big money backers have donated to Mccain, and FOX and other outlets have a new plan to demonize Michelle Obama, because people just like Obama so much. I'm not the world's biggest Obama fan, but this is outright dirty politics. Reminds me of 2000, when Rove called voters in S. Carolina and flirted with the idea of mccain having an illigetimate African-American baby. It was an outright lie, and it cost Mccain the nomination.
It's a die hard hyper liberal Hillary supporter that floated the tape rumor to Sean Hannity, etc. Thought this was common knowlege. ::)
"Larry Johnson"
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Again your full of crap Rob, I have the transcript and 2 weeks ago I posted another transcript say it MIGHT be out there.
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off topic but
"...for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country..." HAHAHAHA
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Look what the demonization of Hillary achieved back in 1992.
Thanks, GOP! >:(
What do you think Hillary is doing now?
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Ya...and we sure don't want workers united. they might want things like weekends, and 8 hour days and child labor laws and a minimum wage.
And we don't want socialism, either.
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Again your full of crap Rob, I have the transcript and 2 weeks ago I posted another transcript say it MIGHT be out there.
I think 240 likes to get you riled up. :)
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Rush went on the radio and promised a tape of Obama's wife saying 'whitey'. It likely doesn't exist. The repub groups that claimed to have it, promised it would come out 9 days ago, and they won't talk about it now, or why it's not coming out.
it was a smear job, most likely. Only 8% of the Bush big money backers have donated to Mccain, and FOX and other outlets have a new plan to demonize Michelle Obama, because people just like Obama so much. I'm not the world's biggest Obama fan, but this is outright dirty politics. Reminds me of 2000, when Rove called voters in S. Carolina and flirted with the idea of mccain having an illigetimate African-American baby. It was an outright lie, and it cost Mccain the nomination.
Lets clear this shit up right now;
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: This Michelle (My Belle) Obama "whitey" rumor, the tape and so forth, the DVD that was out there, I heard about this for two weeks before I ever commented on this. I heard about it for two weeks. I didn't talk about it. I didn't repeat it. I didn't reference it, and then all of a sudden I see that some in the Drive-By Media think that Hannity has the tape and that he is holding the tape. Then some other people said the RNC had the tape and they're going to hold the tape 'til October, they were not going to release it prior to the Democrat nomination fight finishing 'cause they didn't want to get rid of Obama because they think he's the weakest candidate of the two, since Hillary was on her way out, let's leave her out. And then after two or three weeks of this, I did mention it as a rumor going around 'cause it had reached critical mass and there were people saying that they had seen it, but they wouldn't produce it.
So it had finally risen to a heat level, if you were, that it warranted mentioning on this, the most listened to radio talk show in America. Now the AP, starting last night, has put out a story that I, essentially, am behind all this. Here, "The rumor that Michelle railed against," blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, "was circulated on conservative Republican blogs for weeks and was repeated by radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh." Well, once they put my name in the story, nobody else in the story matters. Listen to this. This morning on Channel 5, KTLA, the CW network in Los Angeles, the anchor Frank Buckley reading his teleprompter.
BUCKLEY: The Obama campaign is fighting back against rumors and smears with a website, fightthesmears.com. It's using the site to debunk a rumor that the candidate's wife, Michelle, used the word "whitey" in a speech from the church pulpit. The rumor that Michelle Obama used the word in a diatribe at Trinity United Church of Christ has circulated on Republican blogs for weeks. It was repeated by talk show host Rush Limbaugh. The rumor included claims that there was a videotape of the speech. The campaign says no such tape exists.
RUSH: How old is this story? Obama denied this ten days ago or sometime last week. Obama denied this last week. All of a sudden I started noticing this last night on my RSS feeder. There must have been 35 newspapers last night which had the same AP story in it, so I got all 35 newspaper versions and some TV stations like this. I was last in line on this one. I was a nonfactor on this. But, what happens is, this is as far as the Drive-Bys are concerned, folks, and this is an example of the power of this program. When the Drive-Bys are looking at Republicans or conservatives to really nail us to the wall, until I mention it, it doesn't matter. 'Til I bring it up, it doesn't exist. Well, I mean what the hell, I was last in line. Hannity was denying on the radio for days that he had the tape. Let's go back. This is me on May 30th, and this is what I said about this.
RUSH ARCHIVE: There are these rumors circulating -- and I don't know if this is true, but there are a number of people suggesting -- and I first heard this, by the way, when I was gone Monday and Tuesday of last week.
RUSH: Okay, stop the tape, stop the tape. That would have May 14th and 15th or whatever when I was out there playing Torrey Pines, so the middle of May. That's when I first heard this. What is it now? June the 12th. So this is about a month ago that I said this, and all of a sudden now this becomes front-page news, thanks to the AP and the Drive-By Media.
RUSH ARCHIVE: And that the Republican Party supposedly has it now, of Michelle Obama speaking from the pulpit of this church talking about whitey. I don't care if it's unacceptable, Snerdley, I mean I'm just reporting what's out there. I'm reporting on a rumor that is out there.
RUSH: Yeah. According to the Drive-Bys, I started the rumor. I gave the rumor credibility by mentioning it myself. Last night on MSNBC, DNCTV, here's Dan Abrams talking about it, also with the social commentator Nancy Giles.
ABRAMS: We're learning more tonight about the GOP strategy to hit Senator Obama close to home. The Los Angeles Times reports today, conservative voices are energetically taking on Michelle Obama. Let me read you this. Rush Limbaugh: She's a lovely and angry wife.
GILES: Oh, come on.
ABRAMS: Michelle Malkin: Obama's bitter half. National Review: America's unhappiest millionaire.
RUSH: And then, of course, Dick Durbin -- yeah, play Durbin, number four. Listen to what Durbin said.
DURBIN: The hottest ring in hell is reserved for those in politics who attack their opponents' families. And if there are some Republican strategists who think that's the way to win the election, I think they're wrong.
RUSH: The hottest ring in hell is reserved for people like you who attempt to criminalize members of the United States military trying to save your butt from foreign attack.
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RUSH: Okay, so we have learned here that the Democrats and the Obama campaign have decided to go back into two-week-old history, start a website designed to protect Michelle (My Belle) Obama from any, shall we say, criticism out there. Here's what's going on. The Drive-Bys are gearing up and laying the groundwork to protect Michelle (My Belle) Obama, and they are putting in the record that I am the one leading the attack on it. That's what this AP story is about. AP is a news monopoly, and all the TV stations and all the newspapers get AP. That's why this story's in thousands of newspapers today. And, of course, my name is in there in the first paragraph or so. I mean, I look at this as an honor, of course, 'cause they think I'm the devil. I've got two horns coming out of my head and they think if they put my name in the story where Ms. Obama is being criticized, all of a sudden that's gonna rally the troops. It's to get it in the Nexis database. So this is one of these things that's going to live for five years, that I attacked Michelle (My Belle) Obama. Now, month after month, Nancy Reagan was smeared by the media. Month after month, Pat Nixon was smeared by the media. Fred Thompson's wife, Jeri, was smeared by the media starting with the New York Times. And of course what did they call her? A trophy wife.
Now, who do these libs think they're trying to intimidate here? Who do they think they are dealing with? If they're going to have a website here called "fight the smears" or whatever. Well, I'm thinking I might put up my own website, "fight the Obama smears" website, the "fight the Drive-By Media smears" website. Now, why wouldn't people comment on Michelle Obama? She is subject to scrutiny to the extent, folks, that she does subject herself to scrutiny by making public statements that are provocative, and intentionally so. She's on the campaign trail, and she's out there telling poor women to stay poor. She's telling women, don't go into corporate America. She's telling women to stay in service work and stay poor and do all of these other things. She's inserting herself policy-wise into the campaign. It seems to me, like Hillary Clinton was, that she's fair game. Why wouldn't people comment on these things that she says? The media cover things that she says. Why do the media cover her remarks if she and her remarks don't matter, or if she and they are of no importance to the campaign, then why is what Michelle Obama says covered?
So what we have here is just a continuation of the same old thing: You can't criticize this, you can't say that, you can't say that, you can't say that, you can't criticize a liberal, can't talk about his wife, can't talk about his girlfriend, Scarlett Johansson. Well, I don't know girlfriend. He's got an e-mail relationship with Scarlett Johansson. You can't talk about Jeremiah Wright, can't talk about Bill Ayers, can't talk about his grandmother, can't talk about his race, can't talk about his father, can't talk about his half race, can't mention the middle name. And now we can't talk about Michelle (My Belle). Listen to Dick Durbin again. This is yesterday on DNCTV. Norah O'Donnell said, "Can I ask you about what Maureen Dowd wrote in today's New York Times about the Republicans targeting Michelle? She said, 'It's good news for Obama that Hillary's out of the race but it's also bad news. Now Republicans can turn their full attention to demonizing Michelle Obama. Ms. Obama is the new unwilling contestant in round two of the sulfurous national game of "kill the witch,"' that's what Maureen Dowd wrote. What's your reaction to that, Senator Turban?
DURBIN: The hottest ring in hell is reserved for those in politics who attack their opponents' families. And if there are some Republican strategists who think that's the way to win the election, I think they're wrong.
RUSH: Now, note in Senator Turban's world for whom the hottest ring in hell is reserved for. It's not reserved for Adolf Hitler. The hottest ring in hell is not reserved for Bin Laden nor other terrorists who have killed thousands of Americans. The hottest ring in hell is not reserved for child molesters and murderers and so forth. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The hottest ring in hell is reserved for people who would dare attack a politician. The hottest ring in hell is reserved for anyone who would attack a politician's wife. Dick Durbin: hubris, arrogance, conceit, and stupidity. This is who we're dealing with, my friends.
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RUSH: Get this. I just got an e-mail, just as the bumper music started. "Just this second, Rush, Jay Carney and Andrea Mitchell are anguishing over you spending half an hour today denying that you started the whitey rumor. Carney basically said your riff was a pretext for you to continue perpetrating it. Of course, no mention of the fact that Carney and Mitchell were themselves continuing to talk about the whitey rumor. Unreal!" It is unreal. I should not be surprised. They are going to try to tag me with starting this rumor. And they're going to tag me with continuing to talk about it and denying that I started it as a means of perpetuating that she said it. I've always said it's nothing more than a rumor but I've never seen any evidence of it. Now, here's the thing about this. Does anybody remember Bob Beckel? Bob Beckel, this was Tuesday of I think Montana and South Dakota. And Bob Beckel was on the Fox News Channel somewhere, and he brought this thing up, and he said he was really worried. He didn't want to say what it was, but that he thought it was real and that it was devastating. It had him really, really worried. I'm not sure exactly when he said it, but it was our old buddy Bob Beckel that really is the guy that gave this credence by saying it worried the hell out of him. Of all the things, I'm doing Show Prep feverishly last night and this morning, and I saw this story. Of all the things that I thought would end up being the focus of the Drive-By Media today, it certainly wasn't this. It's such a nonstory, but this is how they work. They've gotta get my name associated with this. They think they can hurt me. They think they can protect Michelle with this, Michelle (My Belle) Obama. When are they going to learn? They didn't make me; they can't destroy me.
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RUSH: Here's Jay Carney, this afternoon, PMSNBC live talking about the rumor.
CARNEY: This rumor started circulating among conservative bloggers and then was picked up and just repeated as a rumor by Rush Limbaugh, of course, the widely listened to conservative talk radio host. Now over -- driving over to the studio just half an hour ago I heard Rush Limbaugh's show and he's talking about this nonstop, talking about how it's -- you know, he's not to blame, he was -- he was just reporting a rumor. He spent half an hour at least when I was listening to him re-circulating the very rumor without shooting it down.
RUSH: (laughing) So this is how news is manufactured. This is how templates are set. This is how action lines are set. The action line now is that I have decided to resurrect this rumor, which has -- (laughing) -- which has been destroyed. There is no tape. Obama said there's no tape. There's never been a tape produced, but I, Rush Limbaugh, decided to resurrect it and not shoot it down. Now, why am I mentioning it? Because I somehow am in the story here as Boris Badenov, the evil spy. Now, here's Beckel on June the 3rd, Fox News Channel Fox & Friends, Alisyn Camerota was talking to Beckel, and he talked about this rumor. Now, some people think that Beckel was just trying to bait a bunch of conservative bloggers and talk show hosts by purposely acting frightened that the thing had some legitimacy to it, the theory being that he knew that it didn't.
BECKEL: I always hear rumors. I hear thousands of them in the course of a presidential campaign, but this one I have heard from enough sources, it worries me. I won't give any details of what it is except to say that there is some thought that there might be a very big shoe dropping on Michelle Obama tomorrow --
CAMEROTA: Wait a minute.
BECKEL: -- and that -- yeah. I can't tell you what it is 'cause I don't want to perpetuate the rumors. But I will tell you this, it is -- whoever is promoting this thing is doing it in enough ways, in a very smart way that it gets to me in ways that make me get worried about it.
CAMEROTA: Okay.
BECKEL: Normally I don't worry about these things.
CAMEROTA: But it's your understanding that this is bigger than, say, a college thesis paper?
BECKEL: Significantly.
RUSH: Okay, now, the theory here that Beckel is just trying to bait people, "Bob Beckel said it, oh, must be true," and then conservatives start rolling with it at even greater speed, but that Beckel knew all along that he was lying, that there was no tape, and he knew there wasn't a tape, and they knew he knew that if he gave it credence, that it would suck in some conservatives on this. Okay, even so, take the theory face value. How does Beckel get exempted from those responsible for spreading this thing around? Well, he didn't mention what the supposed slur from Michelle (My Belle) was, but everybody at the time knew what it was. So he was playing it very cagey.
Here's John in Canton, Ohio. John, welcome to the EIB Network, sir. Hello.
CALLER: Hello, Rush. This is the fourth time I've talked to you and it's been a pleasure each time.
RUSH: Thank you, sir.
CALLER: Regarding that rumor, I believe you said shortly after you first mentioned it that the person who had spread these rumors had spread false rumors in the past, and at that time it made me think, well --
RUSH: Yes, the guy that spread this was the guy who claimed that Karl Rove had been indicted by Patrick Fitzgerald.
CALLER: That's correct.
RUSH: It's the same guy. I said, "This guy's got no credibility," and I was frankly kind of surprised why anybody was believing what this guy had to say.
CALLER: Well, I pretty much wrote it off at that time, when you said that, I thought, well, it's probably just one more --
RUSH: Yeah. In that regard, I shot it down out there.
CALLER: Yes, you did. And, you know, rather than being a uniter, this guy is really a divider. I think somebody mentioned this before, 'cause the author that I've bought books from, most are probably Thomas Sowell. I love Thomas Sowell. I voted for Alan Keyes in '96 and 2000 Republican primary, I voted for Ken Blackwell in 2006 for governor. And you really have to struggle to, you know, watch your thoughts about people of other race because of Obama and this whole mess. He's not a uniter, he's a divider. And it's really difficult, I don't know, I shouldn't say much more, but --
RUSH: Well, I know where you're heading. We made the point here that he does not unite people.
CALLER: No, not at all.
RUSH: That everybody in his inner circle has something wrong with them: mad, they're enraged, they're angry. I mean, no matter what his wife said or didn't say in a tape, she's still mad.
CALLER: Oh, yeah.
RUSH: And Jeremiah Wright's fit to be tied all the time. Obama can't unify his party. I've got stories in the stack here about how Blue Dog Democrats, and it's not just this one Democrat named Boren from Oklahoma, there are a number of Democrats, conservative Democrats who get elected in conservative districts, they're not going to support Obama. Their constituents don't support him. There is no unified Democrat Party on Barack Obama. I have another story in the stack. Obama losing ground with Latinos. I have another story in the stack that suggests that not all are happy with the Obama campaign. It's a giant, total media-created myth. Along with this messiah business, there's no evidence that he's unified anybody, any time, at any stretch of his career. So it's an interesting psychology play.
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• New York Times: Mincing Up Michelle - Maureen Dowd
• CNN: Oklahoma Democrat won't Endorse Obama
• UPI: Obama Warned of Risk of Losing Latino Vote
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And we don't want socialism, either.
HAHAHAHA right because unions and people speaking up for their rights = socialism. HAHAHA. You enjoy a 401k retirement plan Moose? OR how about a 40 hour week or any of of the Federal worker protections that come with living in America instead of China?
Nah...you don't need that, you're a self made man...your life hasn't benefited from any public monies...like schooling, roads, a helping hand if you lost your job, college if you couldn't afford it...
no my friend, you exist in a total isolated social vacuum and haven't benefited one iota from people who've given their lives to break tyrannies and exploitation so that everyone could live a little better life.
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the tape exists it was sold on the Trinity Church
you did not believe me when I said the church was racist a year ago
you think this shit is not real and the church loves white people and America now?
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HAHAHAHA right because unions and people speaking up for their rights = socialism. HAHAHA. You enjoy a 401k retirement plan Moose? OR how about a 40 hour week or any of of the Federal worker protections that come with living in America instead of China?
Nah...you don't need that, you're a self made man...your life hasn't benefited from any public monies...like schooling, roads, a helping hand if you lost your job, college if you couldn't afford it...
no my friend, you exist in a total isolated social vacuum and haven't benefited one iota from people who've given their lives to break tyrannies and exploitation so that everyone could live a little better life.
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You're an idiot and you're very skilled at putting words in other peoples mouths. That's cute. But, when I said "Workers of the World Unite" I meant the Marxist chant. Not anything close to what ever strawman your constructing. Get a clue.
Also, there is a huge difference between "public monies" and outright socialist income redistribution. Stop putting words in other peoples mouths so you can argue with yourself.
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You're an idiot and you're very skilled at putting words in other peoples mouths. That's cute. But, when I said "Workers of the World Unite" I meant the Marxist chant. Not anything close to what ever strawman your constructing. Get a clue.
Also, there is a huge difference between "public monies" and outright socialist income redistribution. Stop putting words in other peoples mouths so you can argue with yourself.
HAHAHA...who the f*ck was talking to you? 'Moosejay' called it Socialism and I'm talking to him.
Gayer than knowing Marx chants... ::)
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Would you prefer communism?
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Everyone is denying this tape exists (where Obama's wife says mean things). Rush LImbaugh reportedly is changing his wording to reflect a 'rumor' of a tape. Obama flatly denies a tape exists, said she never said it, and demands evidence - he invited them to show the damn tape.
Was the tape nothing more than a desperate plea to boost lagging fundraisers?
Was it nothing more than a lie, created by a desperate Rove, to demonize Obama's wife, because they can't find anything on Barack?
*sorry - this was meant for political board!
This is the "men in thongs" board, so please, do try and stick to the boards' topic.
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240 = Obama apologist
Joe, I'm a lifelong republican voter. Married once, love my guns, love my church, love the Constitution.
What you're seeing now in the party is a neoconservative group, which has splintered from true republican beliefs. You DON't know true republican beliefs, becase you were voting CLINTON during the 88/92 Bush elections, remember?
Rove IS NOT what the repub party is about. Bush is not. You can't see that, because you jumped on the republican bandwagon late.
I do NOT like Obama. But do you know what I like even less? People like Rush who propogate and perpetuate false rumors about some tape, to spurn fundraising and shit on Obama's wife. You are supporting a guy who essential helped to SELL A LIE about Obama for the chance at more $ and power for the party.
We both know you can't justify or explain it. Rush knows it's an unfounded rumor. He got on the air and flirted with it to help fundraising. That's it. I called it ten days ago when they said it'd be released. Rush, if he was a professional journalist with any integrity, wouldn't repeat unfounded rumors. He'd have waited ONE MORE DAY to see that tape for himself.
You know what you see when you look in the mirror... a guy who is A-okay with party spokesman spreading lies because you just wanna win in November. Me? I'd rather the election process run without the lies and dirty tricks. I put right and wrong, before winning. But hey, that's just me...
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Joe, I'm a lifelong republican voter. Married once, love my guns, love my church, love the Constitution.
What you're seeing now in the party is a neoconservative group, which has splintered from true republican beliefs. You DON't know true republican beliefs, becase you were voting CLINTON during the 88/92 Bush elections, remember?
Rove IS NOT what the repub party is about. Bush is not. You can't see that, because you jumped on the republican bandwagon late.
I do NOT like Obama. But do you know what I like even less? People like Rush who propogate and perpetuate false rumors about some tape, to spurn fundraising and shit on Obama's wife. You are supporting a guy who essential helped to SELL A LIE about Obama for the chance at more $ and power for the party.
We both know you can't justify or explain it. Rush knows it's an unfounded rumor. He got on the air and flirted with it to help fundraising. That's it. I called it ten days ago when they said it'd be released. Rush, if he was a professional journalist with any integrity, wouldn't repeat unfounded rumors. He'd have waited ONE MORE DAY to see that tape for himself.
You know what you see when you look in the mirror... a guy who is A-okay with party spokesman spreading lies because you just wanna win in November. Me? I'd rather the election process run without the lies and dirty tricks. I put right and wrong, before winning. But hey, that's just me...
great answer rob....but joe cant reply right now...
hes making his abortion clinic bombs. hell be back later to drivel some blindered remarks...
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Joe, I'm a lifelong republican voter. Married once, love my guns, love my church, love the Constitution.
What you're seeing now in the party is a neoconservative group, which has splintered from true republican beliefs. You DON't know true republican beliefs, becase you were voting CLINTON during the 88/92 Bush elections, remember?
Rove IS NOT what the repub party is about. Bush is not. You can't see that, because you jumped on the republican bandwagon late.
I do NOT like Obama. But do you know what I like even less? People like Rush who propogate and perpetuate false rumors about some tape, to spurn fundraising and shit on Obama's wife. You are supporting a guy who essential helped to SELL A LIE about Obama for the chance at more $ and power for the party.
We both know you can't justify or explain it. Rush knows it's an unfounded rumor. He got on the air and flirted with it to help fundraising. That's it. I called it ten days ago when they said it'd be released. Rush, if he was a professional journalist with any integrity, wouldn't repeat unfounded rumors. He'd have waited ONE MORE DAY to see that tape for himself.
You know what you see when you look in the mirror... a guy who is A-okay with party spokesman spreading lies because you just wanna win in November. Me? I'd rather the election process run without the lies and dirty tricks. I put right and wrong, before winning. But hey, that's just me...
You didn't read one flippin word from that transcript did you??
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You didn't read one flippin word from that transcript did you??
You posted 3,136 words, Joe. I did a Word count.
Can you please summarize? Also, you posted Rush's explanation for talking about the tape, EARLIER. You do this often. You don't post Rush's initial flub (like when he tried to incite riots in Denver). You post his prepared explanation of the flub. That's weak, dude. Please post the exact text Rush used when INTRODUCING the tape to his listeners. Not the prepared "cover his ass" statement.
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Any problems with Keith Olberman 240?
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Any problems with Keith Olberman 240?
Olbermann is an Obama salesman.
however, unlike Rush, who will float a story that "maybe Obama's wife hates white people, but we'll let you know later", Olbermann has FACTS for everything.
As evidence, I give you last night's piece on NBC. He breaks down each McCain quote for "it's not too important when the troops come home".
THAT is the difference. Olbermann presents quotes as evidence. Rush uses a tape that doesn't exist.
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Olbermann is an Obama salesman.
however, unlike Rush, who will float a story that "maybe Obama's wife hates white people, but we'll let you know later", Olbermann has FACTS for everything.
As evidence, I give you last night's piece on NBC. He breaks down each McCain quote for "it's not too important when the troops come home".
THAT is the difference. Olbermann presents quotes as evidence. Rush uses a tape that doesn't exist.
uh huh..................pre tty much what I expected.
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uh huh..................pre tty much what I expected.
Olbermann listed 10 direct Mccain quotes to show contradictory positions on the troops.
Rush used a rumor of a tape which would absolutely sink Obama's career.
Do you not see a difference here?
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ok 240, you're voting for Obama, you lean to the left even though you say otherwise, you hate Rush and the like, blah blah blah. Everyone knows what Rush is about and there are plenty on the other side who are just as vicious. There are more lefties with a forum than conservatives, always has been.
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ok 240, you're voting for Obama, you lean to the left even though you say otherwise, you hate Rush and the like, blah blah blah. Everyone knows what Rush is about and there are plenty on the other side who are just as vicious. There are more lefties with a forum than conservatives, always has been.
actually I'm probably learning libertarian. Neither candidate fits the bill for me. I've never voted Dem in my life.
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Mincing Up Michelle By MAUREEN DOWD
WASHINGTON
Hillary and Bill are busy updating their enemies lists. And Obama is racking his brain trying to figure out where to stash his erstwhile rival.
If a President Obama put her on the Supreme Court, of course, we would have the infinite fun of hearing Bill rant about how Scalia, Alito, Thomas and Roberts were dissing Hillary.
It’s good news for Obama that Hillary’s out of the race. But it’s also bad news. Now Republicans can turn their full attention to demonizing Michelle Obama. Mrs. Obama is the new, unwilling contestant in Round Two of the sulfurous national game of “Kill the witch.”
There are some who think it will be harder for America to accept a black first lady — the national hostess who serenely presides over the White House Christmas festivities and the Easter egg roll — than a black president.
There are creepy Web sites, like TheObamaFile.com, dedicated to painting Michelle as a female version of Jeremiah Wright, an angry black woman, the disgruntled, lecturing “Mrs. Grievance” depicted on the cover of National Review.
On that site and others around the Internet, the seamy rumors still slither that there’s a tape of Michelle denouncing “whitey,” a rumor that Barack Obama disdained last week as “scurrilous.”
E.D. Hill, the Fox anchor who said that the celebrated fist pump between Michelle and her husband the night he snagged the nomination could be called a “terrorist fist jab,” apologized Tuesday.
In their narrative of how Hillary lost in The Times on Sunday, Jim Rutenberg and Peter Baker said that Mark Penn argued that Hillary should subtly stress Obama’s “lack of American roots.”
That’s a good preview of how Republicans will attack Michelle, suggesting that she does not share American values, mining a subtext of race.
She’s a devoted daughter, wife and mother who has lived the American dream, from the humble South Side of Chicago to Harvard Law School. Hey, isn’t it totally unAmerican to complain that being a black woman in the ’80s at a class-conscious, white-bread college, Princeton, was somewhat uncomfortable?
Just as Bill and Hillary did the “Pssst! He’s black!” thing on Barry, now the Republicans will use the same tactic on the strong and opinionated Michelle.
Unlike her husband, who wrote in his memoir that he had learned at a young age to smile and charm and disarm whites of the notion that he might be a bristly black militant, Michelle has not always hidden her jangly opinions so well. She has spent more time dwelling on the ways in which society can pull down the less privileged and refers a lot to a callous but unnamed “They.”
“Michelle,” as one political observer puts it, “is a target-rich environment.”
Team Obama is hoping for the best. When she’s on her game, after all, Michelle is a knockout. And as one Obama booster enthuses: “Michelle’s story is a lot more mainstream American than Cindy McCain inheriting a brewery.”
But the campaign is preparing for the worst, planning to shore up Michelle with her own slick and quick war room staffed by top operatives from previous campaigns.
David Axelrod thinks “there’s a real recoil potential” if the Republicans go after Michelle. “I don’t think she’s projecting herself into the fray in a way that would justify that,” he said, adding that her charming and polite daughters, Malia and Sasha, are walking testimony to Michelle’s “loving parenting.”
Mike Murphy, the G.O.P. strategist who worked for John McCain in 2000, but not yet this year, said Michelle is heading into her “big moment in the sun.”
“She’ll have the opportunity to do pretty well and the opportunity to really screw up.” he said. “What I glimpse of her from far away makes me think there could be trouble, but anytime you have that size microphone, she will have some control over how she handles the pressure.”
She’s going to take her big microphone on “The View” as a co-host next week, when she will no doubt try to put her remark about her belated pride in her country in context. And she clearly scored a pre-emptive hit both with her chic style — Vogue’s André Leon Talley declared in The Times the dawn of “a black Camelot” — and with her playful fist pump that now has older white guys, like North Carolina Gov. Mike Easley, awkwardly trying to do it with Obama.
The dap or pound, as it’s also called, was a natural and beguiling moment that showed the country that, even though she started out as her husband’s boss and has a résumé that matches his, she likes him and is rooting for him, and is not engaged in a dreaded Clintonesque competition with him. (On the night of the Pennsylvania primary, Bill was eagerly checking to see who had swayed more voters — him or Hillary.)
“She isn’t sitting with a fixed, adoring gaze,” Axelrod said. “But she obviously loves him deeply and believes in him, and more than that, she believes in this. And that motivates him.”
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And the left knows nothing about railroading anybody in a pres. election right? Oh ya, there were those few instances with Dan Rather and 60 minutes in the last election, fake documents, etc. Ya that darn Rush.
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actually I'm probably learning libertarian. Neither candidate fits the bill for me. I've never voted Dem in my life.
Full of shit. You're voting for Obama. ;)
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FOX news referred to Barak's wife Michelle Obama as "His babymama"
I kid you not.
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FOX news referred to Barak's wife Michelle Obama as "His babymama"
I kid you not.
I thought she was the biological parent?
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I thought she was the biological parent?
Both of their children were born in wedlock. She is the parent. It is a derogatory term, pretty obvious there.
Mccain's wife has a hitory of drug abuse. She stole him from his first wife in an affair. And he called her a cuunt in front of a bunch of reporters in 2000.
Should MSNBC's news scroll read "Mccain and junkie cuunt homewrecker Cindy visited..."
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240, you make some good points but you also make leaps. If that transcript is accurate, it was not Rush who made a big deal of the tape. I have also heard the info was first leaked by Hillary supporters, so you're not really correct on that point. However, there is no tape until one is produced and therefore, it is a non-issue at this point. I agree with you there. By the way, I also do not like the neocons. I'm not a fan of Rush and his style. I am a big supporter of the libertarian moderate republicans...I hope that gets more steam.
I encourage everyone to read passages (if you can find them) of Michelle Obama's graduate thesis. Its all about race relations and her negative experience at Princeton. She was enrolled in Afro-American studies in the mid 80s. Michelle Obama’s thesis is unavailable until Nov. 5, 2008 (after the election)...apparently there is a legal restriction placed by Obama's legal team. Some of the few quotes that were released raise significant concerns when placed in the context that she could be representing all of us as our 1st lady. Michelle seems to see herself as black first and an American second. Thats a problem for me, if she is all of our first lady. It doesn't mean she dislikes her country, just that she has different priorities than most 1st ladies. I imagine she may have changed some of her views but it seems she & Barack have spent most of their public lives helping the poor segment of the black community, which is noble, but if they want to represent the whole country, I don't feel their background and experiences are reflective of this duty.
IMO, we all need to see ourselves as Americans first and our ancestor's hertiage second. I don't really care that my ancestors came from Europe...we are all Americans and face the same issues! We must have leaders that focus on whats best for our nation as a whole, not just a particular economic or racial group.
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240, you make some good points but you also make leaps. If that transcript is accurate, it was not Rush who made a big deal of the tape. I have also heard the info was first leaked by Hillary supporters, so you're not really correct on that point. However, there is no tape until one is produced and therefore, it is a non-issue at this point. I agree with you there. By the way, I also do not like the neocons. I'm not a fan of Rush and his style. I am a big supporter of the libertarian moderate republicans...I hope that gets more steam.
I encourage everyone to read passages (if you can find them) of Michelle Obama's graduate thesis. Its all about race relations and her negative experience at Princeton. She was enrolled in Afro-American studies in the mid 80s. Michelle Obama’s thesis is unavailable until Nov. 5, 2008 (after the election)...apparently there is a legal restriction placed by Obama's legal team. Some of the few quotes that were released raise significant concerns when placed in the context that she could be representing all of us as our 1st lady. Michelle seems to see herself as black first and an American second. Thats a problem for me, if she is all of our first lady. It doesn't mean she dislikes her country, just that she has different priorities than most 1st ladies. I imagine she may have changed some of her views but it seems she & Barack have spent most of their public lives helping the black community, which is noble, but if they want to represent the whole country, I don't feel their background and experiences are reflective of this duty.
shut the hell up
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Well, that was another intelligent responce Benny. You probably graduated top of your class, didn't ya...
I mean no disrespect to the Obamas from my post. The info in my post is accurate. You can disagree all you want with my concerns based on that info.
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Well, that was another intelligent responce Benny. You probably graduated top of your class, didn't ya...
I mean no disrespect to the Obamas from my post. The info in my post is accurate. You can disagree all you want with my concerns based on that info.
lick my hairy balls...
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Amazing how no one talks about Cindy McCain. Let's look at a few facts:
- Admits to having an affair with her now husband when he was married to his first wife
- Former drug addict
- Supported her drug habit by stealing from a children's charity in her 40's
- Lied to everyone this year about recipes being her own invention, when she stole those as well
It's strange how being a loose moralled, liar, drug addicted thief who steals from a children's charity is all fine and dandy, no press on that. I guess may as well look at the positive, she is a step up really considering the present First Lady killed someone when she was 17 :-\
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Amazing how no one talks about Cindy McCain. Let's look at a few facts:
- Admits Lied to having an affair with her now husband wife when he was married
- Former drug addict
- Supported her drug habit by stealing from a children's charity in her 40's
- Lied to everyone this year about recipes being her own invention, when she stole those as well
It's strange how being a loose moralled, liar, drug addicted thief who steals from a children's charity is all fine and dandy, no press on that. I guess may as well look at the positive, she is a step up really considering the present First Lady killed someone when she was 17 :-\
Almost sounds like Bill Clinton, except 70+ people didn't mysteriously die or get killed.
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Almost sounds like Bill Clinton, except 70+ people didn't mysteriously die or get killed.
Here you go with the conspiracy theory stuff again joe...
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Almost sounds like Bill Clinton, except 70+ people didn't mysteriously die or get killed.
What joe did here - instead of addressing CQ's absolutely correct point that Cindy Mcc has WAY more Qs than Obama's wife - was try to redirect the conversation to Bill Clinton.
It's like getting on the stand for murder - and instead of explaining the two bodies in your yard, you tell the judge about how Manson killed FIVE people, and how his crime was WAY worse, yada yada.
He's changing the subject.
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What joe did here - instead of addressing CQ's absolutely correct point that Cindy Mcc has WAY more Qs than Obama's wife - was try to redirect the conversation to Bill Clinton.
It's like getting on the stand for murder - and instead of explaining the two bodies in your yard, you tell the judge about how Manson killed FIVE people, and how his crime was WAY worse, yada yada.
He's changing the subject.
Hey Rob, ya know whats funny about these candidate bashing posts? No matter who runs for anykind of office dirt can always be dug up. But the problem with most of Obamas dirt, it's as recent as 2 years. Just the fact someone has to go back 20 years if laughable in itself. But look who I'm arguing with, the biggest liberal on getbig.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/cindy.asp
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Hey Rob, ya know whats funny about these candidate bashing posts? No matter who runs for anykind of office dirt can always be dug up. But the problem with most of Obamas dirt, it's as recent as 2 years. Just the fact someone has to go back 20 years if laughable in itself. But look who I'm arguing with, the biggest liberal on getbig.
McCain is what, 71 years old? He's older than dirt. And he called his wife a trollup and a cuunt, 7 years ago.
And he changed his policy on taxes and said it's not important if the troops come home THIS YEAR.
Me? The biggest liberal? I think not. I'm happy to help you point out obama's flaws, he has many. But his wife and his pastor are pathetic issues to attack him on. It means the attackers aren't smart enough to point out his weak military experience, his weak economy experience, his lack of explanations for what he'll change, etc.
You see - people see you diss his wife - and they think, "is this the BEST joe can do? talk about dude's wife? Is obama that perfect that Joe won't talk abuot him... he'll only diss his priest of wife because their ideas MIGHT influence obama in a way that'll hurt us"?
Dude, point out the flaws in his POLICY. Not his friends/family. THAT is why the repubs are getting creamed in congress, why america wants change, why FOX news is a joke now... they make up shit about "terrorist fist bumps" instead of talking about REAL ISSUES.
So... are you prepared to speak on REAL ISSUES? Or do you prefer to look the fool by bitching about some tape - which might exist - with his wife's opinion?
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McCain is what, 71 years old? He's older than dirt. And he called his wife a trollup and a cuunt, 7 years ago.
And he changed his policy on taxes and said it's not important if the troops come home THIS YEAR.
Me? The biggest liberal? I think not. I'm happy to help you point out obama's flaws, he has many. But his wife and his pastor are pathetic issues to attack him on. It means the attackers aren't smart enough to point out his weak military experience, his weak economy experience, his lack of explanations for what he'll change, etc.
You see - people see you diss his wife - and they think, "is this the BEST joe can do? talk about dude's wife? Is obama that perfect that Joe won't talk abuot him... he'll only diss his priest of wife because their ideas MIGHT influence obama in a way that'll hurt us"?
Dude, point out the flaws in his POLICY. Not his friends/family. THAT is why the repubs are getting creamed in congress, why america wants change, why FOX news is a joke now... they make up shit about "terrorist fist bumps" instead of talking about REAL ISSUES.
So... are you prepared to speak on REAL ISSUES? Or do you prefer to look the fool by bitching about some tape - which might exist - with his wife's opinion?
1. You said you're a republican yet you apologize for him. Being a republican you should KNOW the flaws in policy. Pull the troops out ASAP-MISTAKE, Nationalize health care -dumb as the day is long, Repeal Bush tax cuts - retard, Raise capitol gains from 15 to 25% (hell, he wants to raise all taxes) Raise the minimum wage every year (forgot for how long) etc,etc,etc
2. Prove where Fox is making shit up, they're the only one's wo tell both sides, the problem is liberals hate Fox because the show the truth.
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1. You said you're a republican yet you apologize for him. Being a republican you should KNOW the flaws in policy. Pull the troops out ASAP-MISTAKE, Nationalize health care -dumb as the day is long, Repeal Bush tax cuts - retard, Raise capitol gains from 15 to 25% (hell, he wants to raise all taxes) Raise the minimum wage every year (forgot for how long) etc,etc,etc
I agree with most of those. They're pure garbage. The tax cuts - however - that affects YOU, so you're all for them. McCain was against them for more of the last 8 years, you know this. He changed positions to win the nod. Since spending will not be stopped by either candidate, we NEED to bump up taxes on the highest 2-5%, as they've coasted under bush. Obama said 250k is the magic number, so I know he's going to fck you out of about 40k next year. I'd hate him too, if I were you.
I like it when you talk abuot policy, man! It's the nonstop crap about his wife, preacher, fist bump, etc, that are non-relevant distractor issues. People here are bright, and want to know if his policies are good or bad. They don't want some reporters interpretation that a fist bump between a man/wife is a 'secret tarror handshake'.
2. Prove where Fox is making shit up, they're the only one's wo tell both sides, the problem is liberals hate Fox because the show the truth.
Fox's ED hill called the fist bump a terrorist handshake. She apologized for it. She admitted she made it up, thought it was funny. SHE proves they make shit up, joe.
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240 you're a goddamn fool that feeds itself with BS propaganda.
You call yourself educated in politics but you refuse to read the transcript because its 3000 words long...so where did you got your politics education? Comic books? ::)
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Hey Rob, ya know whats funny about these candidate bashing posts? No matter who runs for anykind of office dirt can always be dug up. But the problem with most of Obamas dirt, it's as recent as 2 years. Just the fact someone has to go back 20 years if laughable in itself.
Far from 20 years, the recipe stealing went on for all last year and up up 45 days ago till she got caught. In interviews with women's mags there were massive untruths saying her mom/grandma passed these recipes down to her - come to find out they were stolen *verbatim* - she didn't even try and fudge them by tossing in some oregano or something ::)
McCain admits they were stolen, blames an intern. Not sure how the intern forced Cindy to tell blatant lies about them being in her family for years. Not a big issue, recipes were sucky anyway [salmon mousse, ew] but fact remains she has much in her past and present, that she gets a pass on - including drug addiction, stealing from a charity & adultery.
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I agree on Cindy McCain, not the greatest role model by history. I don't like either choice in this election. I was a Ron paul supporter.
In fairness, Cindy's addiction to pain killers was in the mid-late 1980s and she has been a successful buisness leader and charitable organizer since. We aren't electing Michelle or Cindy, but they will have some influence on the president and public policy. IMO, Michelle will have more influence, based on how involved she has been already. Thats why her backround and experience is very important...plus, we don't know Barack very well because he is very new to the senate with little legislative record, therefore his political and personal relationships are important to know. He has associations with several non-mainstream people already. The presidency is the most important position in the land, its a long, tough interview process.
Cindy McCain: "She is chair of Hensley & Co. one of the largest Anheuser-Busch distributors in the nation. She also founded and ran a non-profit organization from 1988 to 1995 that organized trips by medical personnel to disaster-struck or war-torn third-world areas. She continues to be an active philanthropist and serves on the boards of several charitable organizations" From Wikipedia
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Also from Wikipedia (just general info):
Michelle Robinson was born in Chicago, Illinois to Frasier Robinson (who died in 1990),[1] a city water plant employee and Democratic precinct captain, and Marian Robinson, a secretary at Spiegel's catalog store.[2] She grew up in the South Shore community area of Chicago,[2][3] and was raised in a conventional two-parent home where the family convened around the dinner table nightly.[4] She and her brother, Craig (who is 16 months older), skipped the second grade.[2] Michelle mostly traces her roots to pre-revolutionary African Americans in the American South, much of her family still resides in the state of South Carolina.[5] Michelle graduated from Whitney Young High School in 1981[6] and went on to major in sociology and minor in African American studies at Princeton University, where she graduated cum laude with an A.B. in 1985.[2][7]
At Princeton, she challenged the teaching methodology for French because she felt that it should be more conversational.[8] As part of her requirements for graduation, she wrote a thesis entitled, "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community."[9] Her brother Craig was the fourth leading scorer in Princeton University's men's basketball history, and is both a former Brown University's men's basketball coach and the current Oregon State Beavers men's basketball coach.[10] She obtained her J.D. degree from Harvard Law School in 1988.[11] While at Harvard, she participated in political demonstrations advocating the hiring of professors who are minorities.[12]
Barack and Michelle ObamaShe met Barack Obama when they were the only two African Americans at their law firm and she was assigned to mentor him while he was a summer associate.[13] Their relationship started with a business lunch and then a community organization meeting where he first impressed her.[14] The couple's first date was to the Spike Lee movie Do the Right Thing.[15] The couple married in October 1992,[14] and they have two daughters, Malia Ann (born 1998) and Natasha (known as Sasha) (born 2001).[16] Throughout the campaign she has made a "commitment to be away overnight only once a week — to campaign only two days a week and be home by the end of the second day" for their two children[17].
She once requested that Barack, who was then her fiancé, meet her prospective boss when considering her first career move.[4] Now, she is her husband’s closest adviser.[18][19] Early in the presidential race she did not portray herself as an adviser, however. In fact, she was quoted in interviews saying "My job is not a senior adviser."