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About 46 seconds into the ad, we are told that Obama “passed laws” that “extended healthcare for wounded troops who’d been neglected,” and in the usual manner of these political commercials we are given a little citation at the bottom. The citation reads “Public Law 110-181 1/28/08”. That law is the only federal legislation cited in the ad — the other two items mentioned were from the Illinois legislature and referred to other issues raised in the ad.
Public Law 110-181 was the 2008 defense authorization bill. It passed the Senate by 91 to 3 in January, with six Senators not voting. Among those six absentees was Barack Obama. So he cites a bill he didn’t even vote for. Did he contribute to it in some way that might be reasonably referred to as extending healthcare for wounded troops who’d been neglected? It certainly doesn’t seem that way, as even Obama supporters at the Daily Kos discovered when they tried to answer some of the bloggers who pointed to Obama’s citation of the bill. They found that Obama had tried to insert an amendment that had to do with screenings for service members returning from deployments, and one that would ease the discharge of service members found to have personality disorders, but neither amendment passed. Another part of the bill, calling for inspector general reports about hospital facilities, had come from a different bill Obama had sponsored.
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Wow...more BS from Obama. Don't hate because he's Black, don't hate him because he has a funny name, don't hate him because he was Muslim a long time ago...hate him because he's full of shit and not fit to be president.
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Wow...more BS from Obama. Don't hate because he's Black, don't hate him because he has a funny name, don't hate him because he was Muslim a long time ago
No really, he said that not too long ago.
Sad.
This man has said "those fear mongers on Washington have a thign coming to them"
and here he is using fear himself
total hypocrite
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Wow...more BS from Obama. Don't hate because he's Black, don't hate him because he has a funny name, don't hate him because he was Muslim a long time ago...hate him because he's full of shit and not fit to be president.
And McCain is an awesome choice....
Both of them suck, but you honestly think McCain is a better choice? :o
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don't hate him because he was Muslim a long time ago...
You are correct on his healtcare lie above. Hh6 1, Obama 0.
Now tell us what years he was a muslim.
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You are correct on his healtcare lie above. Hh6 1, Obama 0.
Now tell us what years he was a muslim.
He's just reading his lines.
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My lines......i guess u don't understand Mulsim cultural. His dad was a Muslim, he's a muslim. He was registered as a muslim at his schools in HA. He studied in a muslim school. He converted 20 years ago. I could care less....the facts don't support this guy being anything but a half assed lawyer. He made that race card speech and mentioned these things himself.
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sonofabitch you guys are whiners about minutiae.
Like with most Obama whining, the subject matter is likely to be untrue.
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sonofabitch you guys are whiners about minutiae.
Like with most Obama whining, the subject matter is likely to be untrue.
A lie is a lie. Did you even read any of the posts or are you just regurgitating a generic response? Get off the man's penis, hypocrite.
You know, it really cracks me up. You're the same shithead calling for murder charges against Bush for lying and now you're trying to sweep Obama's lies under the rug. HYPOCRITE. :D
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A lie is a lie. Did you even read any of the posts or are you just regurgitating a generic response? Get off the man's penis, hypocrite.
You know, it really cracks me up. You're the same shithead calling for murder charges against Bush for lying and now you're trying to sweep Obama's lies under the rug. HYPOCRITE. :D
Get lost Eldon/Ozark.
I would have a substantive discussion with you but I can't b/c you act like a fucking 5 year old. Your statements are so absurd and devoid of meaning that it is difficult to take you seriously.
When you whine, do you piss your pants too?
Forget that question. Do you know what it's like to be kicked in the head...with an iron boot?
Forget that one too.
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Nice meltdown. Usually happens to those who can't defend their positions.
Enlighten me. You want Bush to be tried on murder charges for lying. Now Obama's been caught in a bold faced lie. But that's ok to you. Makes sense. I think the nickname "Shithead" is more fitting for you than hypocrite. You can't even defend yourself now, you're just attacking.
Is it ok to lie or not? By your logic, it is ok, as you're defending Obama lying. Using that same logic, you should delete all your posts calling for Bush to be brought up on murder charges for lying.
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Nice meltdown. Usually happens to those who can't defend their positions.
Enlighten me. You want Bush to be tried on murder charges for lying. Now Obama's been caught in a bold faced lie. But that's ok to you. Makes sense. I think the nickname "Shithead" is more fitting for you than hypocrite. You can't even defend yourself now, you're just attacking.
Is it ok to lie or not? By your logic, it is ok, as you're defending Obama lying. Using that same logic, you should delete all your posts calling for Bush to be brought up on murder charges for lying.
I can't even defend myself so I'll just attack. You are devastating in your criticism.
I'm not admitting any lie took place on Obama's part. But for your sake, we'll say he lied his ass off about extending the healthcare plan.
How is that the same as Bush's methodical lying about IRaq's threat to the US in order to get the US in a murderous, trillion dollar boondoggle?
Are they the same thing? Are all lies equal? Does intentionally taking a country to war under false pretenses equate with a misstatement about a vote?
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So your opposed to one lie (Bush and the war) but not opposed to another boldfaced lie that someone uses to win support for an election?
Guess all lies are not created equal.
I would be more scared of someone using lies before even tasting power, than someone who has power and is using them to "distort" the truth rather than to blatantly rollover the truth.
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So your opposed to one lie (Bush and the war) but not opposed to another boldfaced lie that someone uses to win support for an election?
Guess all lies are not created equal.
I would be more scared of someone using lies before even tasting power, than someone who has power and is using them to "distort" the truth rather than to blatantly rollover the truth.
Bush and his people lied in a sytematic, methodical manner over months and months, manufacturing evidence (white papter of 10.2002 NIE) beating the drum for war. When Bush ordered the invasion, he sent 4000 americans to their deaths. The attack killed over 100,000 Iraqis.
Yeah, I guess that's much better than Obama's statement about some in absentia vote on extending healthcare benefits.
Are you serious?
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Are you serious?
Are you?
Someone lying before general election, has more to lose than someone already in office.
Sounds and looks like Obama is full of lies that keep snowballing out of control.
What will you say when his lies amount to 100, 000 american lives suffering from failed policies and dazzled talk of change and hope, when he lies about all the issues in front of him.
What will you sau when he flip flops on his decisions to drill in the U.S. (It's coming up before the general election)
Are these lies change? Do they promise us hope?
Are you serious?
What is done is done, only look to the future.
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Are you?
Someone lying before general election, has more to lose than someone already in office.
Sounds and looks like Obama is full of lies that keep snowballing out of control.
What will you say when his lies amount to 100, 000 american lives suffering from failed policies and dazzled talk of change and hope, when he lies about all the issues in front of him.
What will you sau when he flip flops on his decisions to drill in the U.S. (It's coming up before the general election)
Are these lies change? Do they promise us hope?
Are you serious?
What is done is done, only look to the future.
Well over 100,000 people are dead b/c of Bush's lies and you have the audacity to compare that to a statement about healthcare.
Have you no sense of proportion?
Then you get into wishful thinking: What will you say when his lies amount to 100, 000 american lives suffering from failed policies and dazzled talk of change and hope, when he lies about all the issues in front of him.
Thank god I don't have the burden of wishing such a thing with Bush b/c he's actually killed over 100,000 people.
Let's see, a politician may have lied about his voting record while campaigning for public office
....let's call the national guard. This travesty cannot stand.
There is no proportion in your argument.
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Well over 100,000 people are dead b/c of Bush's lies and you have the audacity to compare that to a statement about healthcare.
Have you no sense of proportion?
Then you get into wishful thinking: Thank god I don't have the burden of wishing such a thing with Bush b/c he's actually killed over 100,000 people.
Let's see, a politician may have lied about his voting record while campaigning for public office
....let's call the national guard. This travesty cannot stand.
There is no proportion in your argument.
First off, 100,000 people are dead because Iraqis decided they would start rounding up their neighbors of the opposite Muslim sect and killing them. No one in America told them to start killing each other. Secondly, could you look like any more of an asshole? Bush is a piece of shit, no doubt about it. But you look like a whiny little twat by trying to brush off Obama's lies and justifying it. The guy's not even elected and he's already getting caught in lie after lie. What's to say he's not lying about everything else he's been claiming? Use a little logic. He's no better than Bush.
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Not very reassuring. Definitely some deception in that ad if those are the facts.
I just see Obama as a lot of slogans and ideals with the socialistic utopian dreams.
I am extremely fearful of what he's going to do to small business. Big government with more taxes and regulation is a killer for small businesses (which employ the majority of American people).
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Not very reassuring. Definitely some deception in that ad if those are the facts.
I just see Obama as a lot of slogans and ideals with the socialistic utopian dreams.
I am extremely fearful of what he's going to do to small business. Big government with more taxes and regulation is a killer for small businesses (which employ the majority of American people).
Or ucould read this post..it sums it all up nicely...good stuff.
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Not very reassuring. Definitely some deception in that ad if those are the facts.
I just see Obama as a lot of slogans and ideals with the socialistic utopian dreams.
I am extremely fearful of what he's going to do to small business. Big government with more taxes and regulation is a killer for small businesses (which employ the majority of American people).
You mean like what Wal-mart has done to small businesses?
Or Best Buy to small computer repair businesses?
Or the disappearance of main street America?
I see small business has been taking in the ass for sometime.
Can you tell us what more Obama can do that large corporations aren't already doing?
This has peaked my interest as a self employed small business owner.
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First off, 100,000 people are dead because Iraqis decided they would start rounding up their neighbors of the opposite Muslim sect and killing them. No one in America told them to start killing each other.
Why do you even bother? How can anyone argue with you? The 100,000+ dead Iraqis are dead b/c...they just are. The goshdarn civil war was bound to happen. What did the US invasion have to do with it? The US removed all organization when it attacked. It opened the civil war like a chestnut.
I really can't believe you tried to make this point.
Secondly, could you look like any more of an asshole?
My guess is that you'd say, 'yes.'
Bush is a piece of shit, no doubt about it. But you look like a whiny little twat by trying to brush off Obama's lies and justifying it. The guy's not even elected and he's already getting caught in lie after lie. What's to say he's not lying about everything else he's been claiming? Use a little logic. He's no better than Bush.
Like I said, your opinion has no sense of proportion at all.
You equate an alleged misstatement about a voting record during a campaign with Bush's time-worn systematic lies which brought this country to war under false pretenses.
Why don't you just stop while you are woefully behind?
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Not very reassuring. Definitely some deception in that ad if those are the facts.
I just see Obama as a lot of slogans and ideals with the socialistic utopian dreams.
I am extremely fearful of what he's going to do to small business. Big government with more taxes and regulation is a killer for small businesses (which employ the majority of American people).
Solid post.
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OZMO what type of business do you own, i think ive read on here that you are in the fitness industry to some capacity?
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oh cool... I got worried that he did something really fucked up. In an era of passes given to GW for major criminal lies, this fib isn't much to look at. Thanks GW!!! provisions from some of his bills did make it into that bill so he did some work there. He should fire the guys who did it and check the next ad better.
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OZMO what type of business do you own, i think ive read on here that you are in the fitness industry to some capacity?
The one thing that has concerned me for a long time is the dissappearnce of small family owned business. I realize places like Wal-mart give consumers an availability to provide cheaper prices and by the rule of business they are effectually squashed any competition on the level of small business. This bothers me.
There used to be a family hardware store in the town i live in. People had been working there for years. The atmosphere and friendliness was sincere, not contrived like you get a wal-mart.
Aside from Napa and San Francisco, there are very few good places to eat food. Why? Because small restaurants cannot compete with places like Olive Garbage.
Now is that a republican thing or a democrat thing? Because in the last 16 years Main Street America has virtually disappeared.
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LOL... these threads are kind of funny when you think about it. The right has been so desperate for dirt on Obama, they've gone where no political dirt diggers have gone before, holding you accountable for your pastor and shit. unprecedented indeed! desperate! So I get a laugh when I read a thread that finds some little thing and lays it down with rampage and drama. Funny shit guys. :) at least this is true unlike some of the bullshit you people post. Must be really exciting for you to actually find something :D
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LOL... these threads are kind of funny when you think about it. The right has been so desperate for dirt on Obama, they've gone where no political dirt diggers have gone before, holding you accountable for your pastor and shit. unprecedented indeed! desperate! So I get a laugh when I read a thread that finds some little thing and lays it down with rampage and drama. Funny shit guys. :) at least this is true unlike some of the bullshit you people post. Must be really exciting for you to actually find something :D
LOL i think the dirt on obama is abundant from his retarted socialist/utopian views, to his views on the oil/gas problem. The reason that ppl make a big deal about his pastor/church is B/C RELIGION PLAYS A BIG ROLE IN PPLS LIVES and if you go to a church that preaches racists bigotry and perpetuates the black victim role than you more than likely hold the same views, if he didnt then he wouldnt have sat there for 20 yrs. This guy is a pimp telling you what you wanna hear brother.
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LOL i think the dirt on obama is abundant from his retarted socialist/utopian views, to his views on the oil/gas problem. The reason that ppl make a big deal about his pastor/church is B/C RELIGION PLAYS A BIG ROLE IN PPLS LIVES and if you go to a church that preaches racists bigotry and perpetuates the black victim role than you more than likely hold the same views, if he didnt then he wouldnt have sat there for 20 yrs. This guy is a pimp telling you what you wanna hear brother.
cut the crap, we've all heard the reasoning and it's really hard to buy... With the differences between churchs, pastor attacking could have easily been introduced at any other time. You fellas are on new ground because you were desperate for dirt--period.
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This is great. Hugo and Co. trying to brush off Obama's blatant lies. I love it. They chastise Bush for it and then they rally behind Obama doing it. Good stuff! ::)
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This is great. Hugo and Co. trying to brush off Obama's blatant lies. I love it. They chastise Bush for it and then they rally behind Obama doing it. Good stuff! ::)
maybe you read it wrong. What I was pointing out is how funny it is to see the jubilant celebration over something that really isn't that big of a lie. yes, it's a lie and should be addressed. Sorry but W has upped the bar a bit in the serious lies department. And with the long list of McBush flipflops. This really isn't worth that much.
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maybe you read it wrong. What I was pointing out is how funny it is to see the jubilant celebration over something that really isn't that big of a lie. yes, it's a lie and should be addressed. Sorry but W has upped the bar a bit in the serious lies department. And with the long list of McBush flipflops. This really isn't worth that much.
I'll tell you who doesn't lie. My nikka Ross Perot.
Perot '08!!!!
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Fury, you're voting for Obama aren't you :D You still have some good in you brother, leave the darkside... :D
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Fury, you're voting for Obama aren't you :D You still have some good in you brother, leave the darkside... :D
I am voting for Obama, but that's only because I care about the economy and want to see it rebound. I think he's a terrible candidate but when you look at the other options, he's not that bad. I like McCain's approach to terrorism but I think he'll just shit all over our economy. I think Obama wanting to open up direct talks with Iran is beyond retarded. Both candidates have their ups and downs but I'm concerned about the economy first. I only need Obama to fix it enough that all the financial sectors stop laying off thousands of people. :-X
That being said, it's pretty disheartening to see this guy lying like that. Makes him no better than all the other candidates. It only bothers me because a lot of people have him up on this pedestal like he's the second coming of Christ, when he's nothing more than a smooth talker really. I like debating both sides, though.
I'm registered as independent.
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I am voting for Obama, but that's only because I care about the economy and want to see it rebound. I think he's a terrible candidate but when you look at the other options, he's not that bad. I like McCain's approach to terrorism but I think he'll just shit all over our economy. I think Obama wanting to open up direct talks with Iran is beyond retarded. Both candidates have their ups and downs but I'm concerned about the economy first. I only need Obama to fix it enough that all the financial sectors stop laying off thousands of people. :-X
That being said, it's pretty disheartening to see this guy lying like that. Makes him no better than all the other candidates. It only bothers me because a lot of people have him up on this pedestal like he's the second coming of Christ, when he's nothing more than a smooth talker really. I like debating both sides, though.
I'm registered as independent.
And I thought you were a rightwing, nutcase conservative for sure. What a surprise...
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And I thought you were a rightwing, nutcase conservative for sure. What a surprise...
Just anti-Islam. I'm actually pretty liberal.
I don't like "Americans" who badmouth our country after they cut and run because they couldn't hack it.
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I am voting for Obama, but that's only because I care about the economy and want to see it rebound. I think he's a terrible candidate but when you look at the other options, he's not that bad. I like McCain's approach to terrorism but I think he'll just shit all over our economy. I think Obama wanting to open up direct talks with Iran is beyond retarded. Both candidates have their ups and downs but I'm concerned about the economy first. I only need Obama to fix it enough that all the financial sectors stop laying off thousands of people. :-X
That being said, it's pretty disheartening to see this guy lying like that. Makes him no better than all the other candidates. It only bothers me because a lot of people have him up on this pedestal like he's the second coming of Christ, when he's nothing more than a smooth talker really. I like debating both sides, though.
I'm registered as independent.
decent argument. I don't like to see him lie either but with that said, I'm not sure there exists a politician that doesn't. I do think talking isn't that big a deal. The concept of not talking to the enemy whatsoever unless they break 100% your way is really new and I think pre designed to get nowhere. And when you have someone like North Korea that will back stab every deal in order to get more from another deal. We should just nuke the fuck out of them and 2 minutes before we do announce on the news, "Oh my god there's a huge meteor and we don't have time to stop it... This just coming it, North Korea is gone :D... We return you to Hannity and Colmes... Hannity: wow that was... oh fuck it, they all looked retarded anyway. Colmes: they were a pretty silly looking people. Hannity: whoa, look who's talking!"
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I think talking works with North Korea because their country is in the shitter. They have no economy, their people are starving and they really don't have a hand in most of the world's affairs. Iran on the other hand has oil to fall back on. They have a decent enough military to be an annoyance and they're arrogant as all hell. They have no intentions of stopping and are going out of their way to hide their nuclear aims. I seriously doubt they'll listen to "talking" and it stands the possibility to derail everything that's been done so far.
And there probably isn't a politician that doesn't lie. But the people idolizing Obama and trying to brush it off are pretty annoying. The guy is no better than anyone else. Country is in dire need of some new blood in both parties.
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I think talking works with North Korea because their country is in the shitter. They have no economy, their people are starving and they really don't have a hand in most of the world's affairs. Iran on the other hand has oil to fall back on. They have a decent enough military to be an annoyance and they're arrogant as all hell. They have no intentions of stopping and are going out of their way to hide their nuclear aims. I seriously doubt they'll listen to "talking" and it stands the possibility to derail everything that's been done so far.
I see your points. But what are the options with Iran short of preemptive invasion? Can we agree they will be a nuclear power at some point and there is nothing that can stop that except an invasion?
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I see your points. But what are the options with Iran short of preemptive invasion? Can we agree they will be a nuclear power at some point and there is nothing that can stop that except an invasion?
They may or may not be. Their economy's been in the shitter for a while now. It continues to get worse. Last I read, their inflation was crawling to near record highs. With severe economic restrictions and massive political dissent, they would probably abandon their nuclear aims. Regardless of what Ahmadinejad says, most of the Iranian public does not like the fact they're interjecting themselves into the world's affairs considering the number of problems at home. His party had a terrible showing in local elections, with a large number of guys losing their seats.
However, I think Israel is going to eventually bomb their nuclear sites. Which I don't mind because they don't have the balls to go to war with Israel. It will just get swept under the rug like Syria. Hezbollah might try to pull some shit for a while but in the end nothing will happen. I'm pretty tired of their proxy war bullshit. Watching them getting away with killing American soldiers really chaps my ass.
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Not very reassuring. Definitely some deception in that ad if those are the facts.
I just see Obama as a lot of slogans and ideals with the socialistic utopian dreams.
I am extremely fearful of what he's going to do to small business. Big government with more taxes and regulation is a killer for small businesses (which employ the majority of American people).
Which part of his platform is a socialistic utopian dream?
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They may or may not be. Their economy's been in the shitter for a while now. It continues to get worse. Last I read, their inflation was crawling to near record highs. With severe economic restrictions and massive political dissent, they would probably abandon their nuclear aims. Regardless of what Ahmadinejad says, most of the Iranian public does not like the fact they're interjecting themselves into the world's affairs considering the number of problems at home. His party had a terrible showing in local elections, with a large number of guys losing their seats.
However, I think Israel is going to eventually bomb their nuclear sites. Which I don't mind because they don't have the balls to go to war with Israel. It will just get swept under the rug like Syria. Hezbollah might try to pull some shit for a while but in the end nothing will happen. I'm pretty tired of their proxy war bullshit. Watching them getting away with killing American soldiers really chaps my ass.
I hope you are right. The reason i doubt it, is because of religious stubbornness and idealism.
I agree with you. I dont like that they contributing to the instability of Iraq and thus our soldiers are dying. The problem is we can't really do anything about it. We could not invade Iran with what we have currently and hope to be successful in the after math.
Additionally I don;t see what Israel attacking will do other than cause more problems. I don't think they can or will be able to stop nuclear production with bombing. And then look at the vengeance and rage that will increase exponentially all over the middle east.
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I hope you are right. The reason i doubt it, is because of religious stubbornness and idealism.
I agree with you. I dont like that they contributing to the instability of Iraq and thus our soldiers are dying. The problem is we can't really do anything about it. We could not invade Iran with what we have currently and hope to be successful in the after math.
Additionally I don;t see what Israel attacking will do other than cause more problems. I don't think they can or will be able to stop nuclear production with bombing. And then look at the vengeance and rage that will increase exponentially all over the middle east.
Invading Iran would be one of the dumbest things we could do. Do you know why?
For centuries Sunni and Shia Islam have been at odds with each other, followers of each killing each other and fighting over this and that but when the 'infidel' invades Iran there will be good reason to believe that after nearly a millenium of infighting, the two warring factions ought to unite to fight the infidel.
Invading Iran is a terrible idea.
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Invading Iran would be one of the dumbest things we could do. Do you know why?
For centuries Sunni and Shia Islam have been at odds with each other, followers of each killing each other and fighting over this and that but when the 'infidel' invades Iran there will be good reason to believe that after nearly a millenium of infighting, the two warring factions ought to unite to fight the infidel.
Invading Iran is a terrible idea.
YEah, right up there with invading Iraq.
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LOL... these threads are kind of funny when you think about it. The right has been so desperate for dirt on Obama, they've gone where no political dirt diggers have gone before, holding you accountable for your pastor and shit. unprecedented indeed! desperate! So I get a laugh when I read a thread that finds some little thing and lays it down with rampage and drama. Funny shit guys. :) at least this is true unlike some of the bullshit you people post. Must be really exciting for you to actually find something :D
Absolutely. The republicans, including McCain, have championed sending 4000+ soldiers to die in an unnecessary and illegal war, they armed them poorly, they tried to cut their battle pay and they provided Dickensian health care services to the wounded soldiers.
.....but Obama said this in an ad:
"That’s why I passed laws moving people from welfare to work, cut taxes for working families and extended health care for wounded troops who’d been neglected."
Jesus Christ. No Senator passes laws by himself. That's the fact jack. Did he support that proposed legislation? Yes. He tried to add amendments for some changes but they were rejected. Did he vote for it? No. He was absent. Did he support it? Yes.
Is this anything like Bush claiming to support a child insurance program in Texas that was passed by overriding his veto of the proposed program?
No, the president's lie was a true lie--an intentional statement contradicting the facts at hand.
Is Obama lying? Not really. He just has to make sure that he speaks like a 3 year to keep his message in this format: Keep it simple stupid or keep it stupidly simple.
Since the republicans cannot make a substantive argument worth shit, they go after stuff like this--minutiae of inconsequential things.
They did it to Gore, Kerry and Obama steps to the plate.
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I think talking works with North Korea because their country is in the shitter. They have no economy, their people are starving and they really don't have a hand in most of the world's affairs. Iran on the other hand has oil to fall back on. They have a decent enough military to be an annoyance and they're arrogant as all hell. They have no intentions of stopping and are going out of their way to hide their nuclear aims. I seriously doubt they'll listen to "talking" and it stands the possibility to derail everything that's been done so far.
And there probably isn't a politician that doesn't lie. But the people idolizing Obama and trying to brush it off are pretty annoying. The guy is no better than anyone else. Country is in dire need of some new blood in both parties.
IMO talking will never work with those assholes. Just watch, they'll take and renig on their side. I'll bet on it everytime with those assholes. They're different. gene gone wrong somewhere, excessive goat fucking or something.
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lol. Citing as legislative credit a bill he didn't even vote for? Are you kidding? Total distortion.
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lol. Citing as legislative credit a bill he didn't even vote for? Are you kidding? Total distortion.
Hang him...
Don't worry GW, you haven't done anything wrong. We're going to make this Obama fella pay for his crimes >:(
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Hang him...
Don't worry GW, you haven't done anything wrong. We're going to make this Obama fella pay for his crimes >:(
Except the issue is Obama's manipulation of his voting record to pander to voters.
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Except the issue is Obama's manipulation of his voting record to pander to voters.
totally worth haning him :D a politican caught fibbing in an election!!! and he's blick!!! Get the rope Jeb!!!
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totally worth haning him :D a politican caught fibbing in an election!!! and he's blick!!! Get the rope Jeb!!!
Nah. Just highlight what a complete distortion this is, which only highlights the man's inexperience.
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Nah. Just highlight what a complete distortion this is, which only highlights the man's inexperience.
Did you feel the same about candidate Bush's outright lies about his championing a child insurance program which he vetoed?
Or his lies about the imminent failure of Social Security?
In 2000, did you vote for Bush after learning those nefarious claims?
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Did you feel the same about candidate Bush's outright lies about his championing a child insurance program which he vetoed?
Or his lies about the imminent failure of Social Security?
In 2000, did you vote for Bush after learning those nefarious claims?
Another diversion. This thread is about Obama's distortion of his voting record. I think it's really funny how people can't acknowledge what a blatant misrepresentation the ad is, and instead say "well what about Bush!"
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Did you feel the same about candidate Bush's outright lies about his championing a child insurance program which he vetoed?
Or his lies about the imminent failure of Social Security?
In 2000, did you vote for Bush after learning those nefarious claims?
OH YEA, he actually told some woppers!!!! In fact he didn't stop. He just keeps going like the energiser bunny of liars.
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Another diversion. This thread is about Obama's distortion of his voting record. I think it's really funny how people can't acknowledge what a blatant misrepresentation the ad is, and instead say "well what about Bush!"
That's not quite a red herring there BB. It is relevant. There's a precedent to this bitch. If you're going to get steamed over this, it's fair to ask if you got steamed over W's lies. You said it illustrates his inexperience. Well... It's fair to ask if you're applying fair judgement and what better way than to examine relative precedent. :-*
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Another diversion. This thread is about Obama's distortion of his voting record. I think it's really funny how people can't acknowledge what a blatant misrepresentation the ad is, and instead say "well what about Bush!"
All political campaigning is 'puffing'.
Truth is, Obama did support the bill and participated in its creation by offering up amendments.
Bush did not engage in 'puffing', he engaged in fraudulent misrepresentation like I pointed out.
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That's not quite a red herring there BB. It is relevant. There's a precedent to this bitch. If you're going to get steamed over this, it's fair to ask if you got steamed over W's lies. You said it illustrates his inexperience. Well... It's fair to ask if you're applying fair judgement and what better way than to examine relative precedent. :-*
I disagree. There are a plethora of Bush bashing threads. Bush isn't the issue (and neither am I). I think what's fair is to test the guy who wants to be president and is running on some illusory "change" platform.
In his first general election ad, Obama distorted his voting record. Pretty bad.
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All political campaigning is 'puffing'.
Truth is, Obama did support the bill and participated in its creation by offering up amendments.
Bush did not engage in 'puffing', he engaged in fraudulent misrepresentation like I pointed out.
The bullshit runs knee deep with you. Anything to save face. The guy's a lying twat and not much better than Bush. So much for your champion. Perhaps you should pick another supposedly anti-War guy to support?
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All political campaigning is 'puffing'.
Truth is, Obama did support the bill and participated in its creation by offering up amendments.
Bush did not engage in 'puffing', he engaged in fraudulent misrepresentation like I pointed out.
So you're saying Obama was puffing?
"The sometimes exaggerated buildup a salesperson or the seller may give to property. It is recognized in law as an opinion and not necessarily representing the facts"
www.all-foreclosure.com/define/define4.htm
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I disagree. There are a plethora of Bush bashing threads.<==Red herring! Bush isn't the issue (and neither am I). I think what's fair is to test the guy who wants to be president and is running on some illusory "change" platform.
In his first general election ad, Obama distorted his voting record. Pretty bad.
Now this is actually a red herring ;) BB, it's totally fair to examine for bias in your opinion and the reason I stated is totally legit. If you were not bothered by the lies Bush told when he was running, you have no ground to say "pretty bad" here. That's a pretty sound observation and I'll gladly be held to the same!
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So you're saying Obama was puffing?
"The sometimes exaggerated buildup a salesperson or the seller may give to property. It is recognized in law as an opinion and not necessarily representing the facts"
www.all-foreclosure.com/define/define4.htm
Sure.
I posted this before: No Senator passes laws by himself. That's the fact jack. Did he support that proposed legislation? Yes. He tried to add amendments for some changes but they were rejected. Did he vote for it? No. He was absent. Did he support it? Yes.
Text of Obama's ad: "That’s why I passed laws moving people from welfare to work, cut taxes for working families and extended health care for wounded troops who’d been neglected."
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Now this is actually a red herring ;) BB, it's totally fair to examine for bias in your opinion and the reason I stated is totally legit. If you were not bothered by the lies Bush told when he was running, you have no ground to say "pretty bad" here. That's a pretty sound observation and I'll gladly be held to the same!
Nope. A common getbig tactic. Discuss the person who posted the thread instead of the subject matter of the thread. You don't lose your right to express an opinion if (for the sake of argument) you have given a prior inconsistent opinion.
The issue isn't me or any other person posting on the board. The issue is Obama and his ad.
This is quite funny. People running like scalded dogs from the subject of the thread. lol . . . :)
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Sure.
I posted this before: No Senator passes laws by himself. That's the fact jack. Did he support that proposed legislation? Yes. He tried to add amendments for some changes but they were rejected. Did he vote for it? No. He was absent. Did he support it? Yes.
Text of Obama's ad: "That’s why I passed laws moving people from welfare to work, cut taxes for working families and extended health care for wounded troops who’d been neglected."
Talk about rationalizing. It was very misleading for him to not disclose that he didn't vote for a piece of legislation that he is taking credit for.
You actually endorse Obama's attempt to pass off exaggerations (puffing) as fact?
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Talk about rationalizing. It was very misleading for him to not disclose that he didn't vote for a piece of legislation that he is taking credit for.
You actually endorse Obama's attempt to pass off exaggerations (puffing) as fact?
It is a fact that advertisements are puffing and so is his ad. It's also a fact that he literally cannot pass any law by himself but he says that.
If we start to go after campaign ads to have the specificity, prolixity and exactness of a legal code, nothing would air.
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If Bush sneezes during a speech it becomes an issue.
But if Obama blatantly distorts the truth, lies, conceals....."but Bush"
So Bush lied it's ok for Obama to lie?
Where is this change at?
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Nope. A common getbig tactic. Discuss the person who posted the thread instead of the subject matter of the thread. You don't lose your right to express an opinion if (for the sake of argument) you have given a prior inconsistent opinion.
The issue isn't me or any other person posting on the board. The issue is Obama and his ad.
This is quite funny. People running like scalded dogs from the subject of the thread. lol . . . :)
::) We DIDN'T CHANGE THE TOPIC!!!! Are you insane? You don't lose any right, it puts your opinion in perspective and there is a credibility issue at stake. Again, it's fair. And buddy, if we disagree with your opinion, you are not shielded from examination by magic default. This is so simple, if you didn't have a problem when one your your guys did it, you have no credibility in finding fault here. You're going to have to deal with a lot of this as we go and if you don't like it, maybe you all should have bitched before you let Bush set new standards everywhichway. Sorry, you guys are not getting off the hook that easy. ;) You bought it, own it.
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If Bush sneezes during a speech it becomes an issue.
But if Obama blatantly distorts the truth, lies, conceals....."but Bush"
So Bush lied it's ok for Obama to lie?
Where is this change at?
oh brother, you're a gem :) Who said it was ok for Obama to lie ::)
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If Bush sneezes during a speech it becomes an issue.
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Only if he manufacturers evidence to take the US to war under false pretenses. We'll leave soc. sec. and his tax lies alone.
I think the war crime is enough to impugn his character.
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Only if he manufacturers evidence to take the US to war under false pretenses. We'll leave soc. sec. and his tax lies alone.
I think the war crime is enough to impugn his character.
that's just a sneeze :D HaaaCHEW-WMDyellowcakeSaddamObliterate2countries... Bless you Mr. President.
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It is a fact that advertisements are puffing and so is his ad. It's also a fact that he literally cannot pass any law by himself but he says that.
If we start to go after campaign ads to have the specificity, prolixity and exactness of a legal code, nothing would air.
We have different viewpoints on campaign ads. A candidate should not "puff," i.e., exaggerate his alleged accomplishments to fool people into voting for him.
If people are so concerned about the integrity of the White House, they should demand absolute honesty by the people trying to occupy the White House.
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We have different viewpoints on campaign ads. A candidate should not "puff," i.e., exaggerate his alleged accomplishments to fool people into voting for him.
If people are so concerned about the integrity of the White House, they should demand absolute honesty by the people trying to occupy the White House.
I agree with you somewhat. But we are fighting an uphill battle of 200+ years of campaign practices.