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Iran test-fires missiles in Persian Gulf By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 16 minutes ago
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran test-fired nine long- and medium-range missiles Wednesday during war games that officials said aimed to show the country can retaliate against any U.S. and Israeli attack, state television reported.
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Gen. Hossein Salami, the air force commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, said the exercise would "demonstrate our resolve and might against enemies who in recent weeks have threatened Iran with harsh language," the TV report said.
Wednesday's war games were being conducted at the mouth of the Strait of Hormuz, a strategic waterway through which about 40 percent of the world's oil passes. Iran has threatened to shut down traffic in the strait if attacked.
The report showed footage of at least three missiles firing simultaneously, and said the barrage included a new version of the Shahab-3 missile, which officials have said has a range of 1,250 miles and is armed with a 1-ton conventional warhead.
That would put Israel, Turkey, the Arabian peninsula, Afghanistan and Pakistan within striking distance.
"Our hands are always on the trigger and our missiles are ready for launch," the official IRNA news agency quoted Salami as saying Wednesday.
The report comes less than a day after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad dismissed fears that Israel and the United States could be preparing to attack his country, calling the possibility a "funny joke."
"I assure you that there won't be any war in the future," Ahmadinejad told a news conference Tuesday during a visit to Malaysia for a summit of developing Muslim nations.
But even as Ahmadinejad and other Iranian officials have dismissed the possibility of attack, Tehran has stepped up its warnings of retaliation if the Americans — or Israelis — do launch military action, including threats to hit Israel and U.S. Gulf bases with missiles and stop oil traffic through the vital Gulf region.
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called Wednesday's tests "evidence that the missile threat is not an imaginary one."
"Those who say that there is no Iranian missile threat against which we should build a missile defense system perhaps ought to talk to the Iranians about their claims," Rice said while traveling in Sofia, Bulgaria.
A White House spokesman called the tests "completely inconsistent with Iran's obligations to the world."
"The Iranian regime only furthers the isolation of the Iranian people from the international community when it engages in this sort of activity," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for the National Security Council.
"They should also refrain from further missile tests if they truly seek to gain the trust of the world," he added, speaking from Japan where President Bush is attending the Group of Eight summit.
In late June, Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, who was then the commander of the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, said any attempt by Iran to seal off the Strait of Hormuz would be viewed as an act of war. The U.S. 5th Fleet is based in Bahrain, across the Gulf from Iran.
Israel's military sent warplanes over the eastern Mediterranean for a large military exercise in June that U.S. officials described as a possible rehearsal for a strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, which the West fears are aimed at producing atomic weapons.
Iran says its nuclear program is geared only toward generating electricity, not weapons.
The Israeli exercise was widely interpreted as a show of force as well as a practice on skills needed to execute a long-range strike mission.
Shaul Mofaz, an Israeli Cabinet minister, set off an international uproar last month by saying in a published interview that Israel would have "no choice" but to attack Iran if it doesn't halt its nuclear program. Mofaz is a former military chief and defense minister, and has been Israel's representative in a strategic dialogue on Iran with U.S. officials.
On Wednesday, Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said Israel "does not desire hostility and conflict with Iran."
"But it is clear that the Iranian nuclear program and the Iranian ballistic missile program is a matter of grave concern," Regev said.
The Guards and Iran's regular army routinely hold exercises two or three times a year.
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Obama on Iran
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BUT Rice says the world is safer!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH
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When North Korea fired missiles at hawaii on July 4th (and set off a nuke), Bush paid them off with a million barrels of oil to stop.
Maybe Iran witnessed our appeasement with NK, and thought we'd do the same with them?
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When North Korea fired missiles at hawaii on July 4th (and set off a nuke), Bush paid them off with a million barrels of oil to stop.
Maybe Iran witnessed our appeasement with NK, and thought we'd do the same with them?
i dunno brother but i don't think they need the oil
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When North Korea fired missiles at hawaii on July 4th (and set off a nuke), Bush paid them off with a million barrels of oil to stop.
Maybe Iran witnessed our appeasement with NK, and thought we'd do the same with them?
Yes, but BUSh made it harder for them so the WORLD IS SAFER!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Yes, but BUSh made it harder for them so the WORLD IS SAFER!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Bomb everyone I say!
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Bomb everyone I say!
Kill or be killed!
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uh oh looks like some legit arguments came up to defend Iran, lol
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uh oh looks like some legit arguments came up to defend Iran, lol
no one is defending them. They deserve to be hit. BUT the consequences to hitting them right now would be very very bad on our good life here.
Hell, there are dozens of leaders worldwide who could use a good spanking. It's not realistic for us to do it.
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no one is defending them. They deserve to be hit. BUT the consequences to hitting them right now would be very very bad on our good life here.
Hell, there are dozens of leaders worldwide who could use a good spanking. It's not realistic for us to do it.
agreed but realistically who else would do it?
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no one is defending them. They deserve to be hit. BUT the consequences to hitting them right now would be very very bad on our good life here.
Hell, there are dozens of leaders worldwide who could use a good spanking. It's not realistic for us to do it.
Don't you mean the consequences of them hitting our overseas interests would be very bad on our good life?
Iran just released a statement saying they have predetermined targets locked in.
Those dozens of leaders don't have the weaponry right now to do anything, or the weapons to disrupt oil supply, and some of our main shipping vessels.
No mistake about it, Iran will cause the US to become engaged in war. Brinkmanship at it's finest we rattled their cage and they have acted immature and premature.
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agreed but realistically who else would do it?
Israel in a heartbeat
In fact the Iranian president just yesterday said "Israel will dissapear from the world by their own making"
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Don't you mean the consequences of them hitting our overseas interests would be very bad on our good life?
Iran just released a statement saying they have predetermined targets locked in.
Those dozens of leaders don't have the weaponry right now to do anything, or the weapons to disrupt oil supply, and some of our main shipping vessels.
No mistake about it, Iran will cause the US to become engaged in war. Brinkmanship at it's finest we rattled their cage and they have acted immature and premature.
if this is the case I hope we dont fight this war like the one in iraq with our fucking hands tied, go in there do what needs to be done by any means necessary.
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uh oh looks like some legit arguments came up to defend Iran, lol
Is Iran a threat to the continental USA directly? NO.
Is Iran a threat to the ME region? YES.
Is Iran a threat to the US troops in Iraq? YES.
Is Iran a threat when they get nukes? YES.
Will they be threat to the world? YES.
Are they more of a threat then they were 8 years ago? Obviously, YES.
Does any of this justify we should start a war with them? NO.
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I keep saying let Israel fight the brunt of the war and let US special forces go in there and fight a proxy war with Mossad. Assassinations, bombings, disruption of their communications, etc. Israel's got more than enough firepower to handle the QUDS force, who are the only branch of Iran's military capable of actually doing anything, albeit not much. Iran's military is a bigger joke than Iraq's was.
Is Iran a threat to the continental USA directly? NO.
Is Iran a threat to the ME region? YES.
Is Iran a threat to the US troops in Iraq? YES.
Is Iran a threat when they get nukes? YES.
Will they be threat to the world? YES.
Are they more of a threat then they were 8 years ago? Obviously, YES.
Does any of this justify we should start a war with them? NO.
That's your opinion. Israel thinks otherwise.
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if this is the case I hope we dont fight this war like the one in iraq with our fucking hands tied, go in there do what needs to be done by any means necessary.
It would be a joint effort the US won't be the only player involved since so many economic conditions will end up fueling the events Iran is trying to disrupt. This would be bad for the world economy as a whole, and it is in several nations best interest to subdue Iran with force rather than wait for words to play out. And with Iran and Russia at each other's throats in the exportation of oil, Russia is only happy to have something happen to Iran since their future of technology and serviceable parts is a predetermined failure now the US has intervened.
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I keep saying let Israel fight the brunt of the war and let US special forces go in there and fight a proxy war with Mossad. Assassinations, bombings, disruption of their communications, etc. Israel's got more than enough firepower to handle the QUDS force, who are the only branch of Iran's military capable of actually doing anything, albeit not much. Iran's military is a bigger joke than Iraq's was.
That's your opinion. Israel thinks otherwise.
I'm sure you are thinking it through.
Israel does not have the capability to invade and occupy Iran. Israel has the capability to strike Iran successfully. So what? Once they do then what? The entire ME will freak over it. And when Iran gets nukes, it's even going to be a more dangerous place for everyone.
And as i said, Iran is presently a threat to the region, which would include , Israel. But as of yet, all this is, missiles tests and such, is rattling sabers.
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I'm sure you are thinking it through.
Israel does not have the capability to invade and occupy Iran. Israel has the capability to strike Iran successfully. So what? Once they do then what? The entire ME will freak over it. And when Iran gets nukes, it's even going to be a more dangerous place for everyone.
And as i said, Iran is presently a threat to the region, which would include , Israel. But as of yet, all this is, missiles tests and such, is rattling sabers.
You know this how? You speak on a whole lot of speculation. Provide some hard facts. How will Iran get nukes if their nuclear facilities are craters? Enlighten me? Perhaps they can produce fission using oil?
The entire ME would condemn it and nothing more. None of them are too fond of Iran meddling in their affairs. They're a Shia nation while every country but Iraq is Sunni. Most of them would love nothing more than to see Iran as a smoldering heap. They would rattle their sabers and do nothing. Israel blew up a Syrian reactor and no one did shit.
Like HH6 said, Iran is nothing. Their military is a joke. Iraq's was better. The only thing to worry about is the QUDS guys who are stationed outside Iran.
I don't know where people got it in their head that Iran has this super powered military. Most of their aircraft is decades old, their fighters have no experience, their equipment is crap.
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And as i said, Iran is presently a threat to the region, which would include , Israel. But as of yet, all this is, missiles tests and such, is rattling sabers.
which would include US economic interests as well in case you forgot.
You don't get it do you?
Striking US is not a matter of striking soil but striking veins and arteries that keep the nation alive. You disrupt a shipping vessel the stock market bleeps, oil goes up, and companies go under that can happen in 1 day. You launch a missile into a tanker and disrupt shipping that can set a country back 3 years in serviceables.
Israel has more weaponry than any ME nation. Airpower is more than enough to cripple a country and set it back on track without engaging in ground tactics.
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You know this how? You speak on a whole lot of speculation. Provide some hard facts. How will Iran get nukes if their nuclear facilities are craters? Enlighten me? Perhaps they can produce fission using oil?
You really think anyone can prevent a country from manufacturing something in secret?
I don't see the Iranians stupid enough to manufacture nukes at the local "Nuke-Mart" factories they'll set up for everyone to see.
Chances are they are already doing it under ground some place.
The entire ME would condemn it and nothing more. The entire ME isn't too fond of Iran meddling in their affairs. They're a Shia nation while every country but Iraq is Sunni. Most of them would love nothing more than to see Iran as a smoldering heap. They would rattle their sabers and do nothing. Israel blew up a Syrian reactor and no one did shit.
Quite possible, or the ME will see it as an over aggressive attack on a nation just trying to progress out of the 3rd world.
Bottom line is, unless you are willing to invade an occupy, you have to deal with Iran one way or another. And at some point you'll have to deal with a nuclear Iran.
I just don't see how this can be stopped. It may not be in the next few years, but it will happen.
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You really think anyone can prevent a country from manufacturing something in secret?
I don't see the Iranians stupid enough to manufacture nukes at the local "Nuke-Mart" factories they'll set up for everyone to see.
Chances are they are already doing it under ground some place.
Quite possible, or the ME will see it as an over aggressive attack on a nation just trying to progress out of the 3rd world.
Bottom line is, unless you are willing to invade an occupy, you have to deal with Iran one way or another. And at some point you'll have to deal with a nuclear Iran.
I just don't see how this can be stopped. It may not be in the next few years, but it will happen.
You don't think the US and Israel know with almost 100% certainty where all of Iran's nuclear facilities are. I would be willing to bet that they know. They've probably known for years.
Why won't it be stopped? When did Iran become this super power you're making them out to be? If it couldn't be stopped the rest of the ME would already have nukes. Egypt's been more powerful than Iran for a long time and they don't have nukes. Same with Saudi Arabia. What exactly makes Iran so special according to you? Their crappy military? The fact they can train terrorists to plant IEDs?
Stick enough sanctions on them, blow up their facilities and make it hard enough on life that the current government loses power and I bet they would stop. Their economy has been in the crapper for a few years now and most of Ahmadinejad's party members lost their seats in local elections. The Iranian populace isn't too happy with them right now. Record inflation levels, gas being controlled, etc.
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which would include US economic interests as well in case you forgot.
You don't get it do you?
Striking US is not a matter of striking soil but striking veins and arteries that keep the nation alive. You disrupt a shipping vessel the stock market bleeps, oil goes up, and companies go under that can happen in 1 day. You launch a missile into a tanker and disrupt shipping that can set back a country back 3 years in serviceables.
Israel has more weaponry than any ME nation. Airpower is more than enough to cripple a country and set it back on track without engaging in ground tactics.
Why would they do that at the expense of their economy and country? If they shot at a tanker or tankers, they get 1 hour minimum of full US firepower. Similar to what Iraq got in 1991. They are not that stupid to want that exchange.
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Why would they do that at the expense of their economy and country? If they shot at a tanker or tankers, they get 1 hour minimum of full US firepower. Similar to what Iraq got in 1991. They are not that stupid to want that exchange.
their actions of late would argue otherwise
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You don't think the US and Israel know with almost 100% certainty where all of Iran's nuclear facilities are. I would be willing to bet that they know. They've probably known for years.
Maybe, maybe not. After the WMD circus of 2003, i have serious doubts. And it's not about the facilities they know about, it's the one they don't know.
Why won't it be stopped? When did Iran become this super power you're making them out to be?
I'm not saying they are a super power. But with nukes they enter into a different group of countries.
If it couldn't be stopped the rest of the ME would already have nukes.
Does every country in the ME have the resources to pursue it? Can they all even get Uranium?
Egypt's been more powerful than Iran for a long time and they don't have nukes. Same with Saudi Arabia.
Again it comes down to desire, capability and resources.
What exactly makes Iran so special according to you? Their crappy military? The fact they can train terrorists to plant IEDs?
Nothing special about Iran except that they are developing nuclear power plants and have raised the alert of our nation to their potential capabilities of developing nukes.
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their actions of late would argue otherwise
Not at all.
what they are doing now is saber rattling.
Actually attacking something is different.
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I think some of you guys are way to subject to fear.
Especially when you consider, Iran would become a parking lot if they did anything against Israel or the USA. And Iran knows it.
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Not at all.
what they are doing now is saber rattling.
Actually attacking something is different.
LOL so we have to wait for them to kill ppl
OZMO i like you bro you are very idealistic and i admire that about you...to me though it seems like those ideals dont always translate to the real world.
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I think some of you guys are way to subject to fear.
Especially when you consider, Iran would become a parking lot if they did anything against Israel or the USA. And Iran knows it.
I think you're more subject to it than us. You're imaging the world exploding if Iran were attacked. You've bought right into their saber rattling and painting this picture of their military being some super powered 1st world military capable of fighting both the US and Israel at the same time.
LOL so we have to wait for them to kill ppl
OZMO i like you bro you are very idealistic and i admire that about you...to me though it seems like those ideals dont always translate to the real world.
Doesn't translate to dealings with a country that takes the bulk of their actions and laws from a book written 1500 years ago.
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LOL so we have to wait for them to kill ppl
OZMO i like you bro you are very idealistic and i admire that about you...to me though it seems like those ideals dont always translate to the real world.
Yeah, typically that's how the "good guys" operate, real world or not. But you have to look at the whole picture:
Iran would become a parking lot if they did anything against Israel or the USA. And Iran knows it.
And this would happen about immediately, as we have the forces there already!
Call brinkmanship, call it posturing, playing world politics, or whatever. What they are doing right now, is something we should take notice of, but nothing to be worried about. Iran ain't gonna do sh1t. If they do, they sign their death warrant and they know it.
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I think you're more subject to it than us. You're imaging the world exploding if Iran were attacked. You've bought right into their saber rattling and painting this picture of their military being some super powered 1st world military capable of fighting both the US and Israel at the same time.
No, not really "exploding". i don;t see WW3 coming out of it. I just things getting herder for us and Israel in the ME as a result.
And i don't know why you keep insisting i think Iran is a military power or super power or what ever. We'd sweep them aside as easy as we did the Iraqis. So please, stop trying to words in my mouth. I'm pretty knowledgeable about our military capabilities versus the rest of the armies of the world.
They will be in the nuclear arms club at some point. Maybe not now, maybe not in a few years, but inside of 20? I'd say 95% chance of it, unless their government changes.
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Yeah, typically that's how the "good guys" operate, real world or not. But you have to look at the whole picture:
Call brinkmanship, call it posturing, playing world politics, or whatever. What they are doing right now, is something we should take notice of, but nothing to be worried about. Iran ain't gonna do sh1t. If they do, they sign their death warrant and they know it.
Its that type of thinking that leads to the death of our fellow countrymen, let them act and then we will react.
you cant always be the "good guy" sometimes you need to do what needs to be done regardless...I agree that now is not be the best time...but I dont see this situation getting any better which means that somebody will have to deal with these folks sooner or later.
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I reckon sanctions and an Israeli attack or war will eventually lead to their government being deposed. I see that happening before they get nukes.
The majority of Iranians couldn't care less about nukes. Their economy is in the complete shitter. They've been experiencing record inflation levels, high unemployment rates for a few years now and their were riots when the government tried to control purchasable gasoline amounts last year. The last thing the general populace wants to see is their leadership badger their way into getting set back 25 years because they wanted to act like they were on par with the superpowers.
After they get destroyed you think the rest of the ME is going to lend them a hand? Hahahaha.
Its that type of thinking that leads to the death of our fellow countrymen, let them act and then we will react.
you cant always be the "good guy" sometimes you need to do what needs to be done regardless...I agree that now is not be the best time...but I dont see this situation getting any better which means that somebody will have to deal with these folks sooner or later.
Ozmo doesn't care about the fact that Iran is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of American soldiers and civilians.
Regardless, I'd rather let Israel do the brunt of the work and let the special forces fight a proxy war.
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Its that type of thinking that leads to the death of our fellow countrymen, let them act and then we will react.
you cant always be the "good guy" sometimes you need to do what needs to be done regardless...I agree that now is not be the best time...but I dont see this situation getting any better which means that somebody will have to deal with these folks sooner or later.
tommy, how can someone be a threat (one that warrants a preemptive strike) if any attack by them would virtually result in their extinction?
It's not like we are dealing with 1940 Japan here.
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tommy, how can someone be a threat (one that warrants a preemptive strike) if any attack by them would virtually result in their extinction?
It's not like we are dealing with 1940 Japan here.
Hahaha, Iran's been deserving of an attack for years. They finance terrorism. They kill American soldiers and civilians. I know that you couldn't care less about that but don't say they're not a threat.
The ME would be a lot better off if Iran wasn't intent on meddling in everyone's affairs.
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tommy, how can someone be a threat (one that warrants a preemptive strike) if any attack by them would virtually result in their extinction?
It's not like we are dealing with 1940 Japan here.
lol its TONY lol...You mean like the perpetrators of 9/11, USS Cole, countless embassy bombings? and that wouldnt happen b/c of the society that we live in now would condemn that action...and you know it, need proof just look at some of the posters on here.
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Ozmo doesn't care about the fact that Iran is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of American soldiers and civilians.
Has your flawed logic run into such a road block that now you have to resort to putting words in my mouth?
Come on dude, you are better than that.
If they are directly responsible why hasn't our government shown us? Is it a secret? BTW, i believe they are supplying some of the insurgency. Is that enough to go to war over? Well it looks like we are stabilizing Iraq, so it looks like we might not need to. If they were directly killing our troops then i'm sure BUSH and Co. would have made that case by now.
I reckon sanctions and an Israeli attack or war will eventually lead to their government being deposed. I see that happening before they get nukes.
That would be great, if sanctions worked, and if an attack worked. but I'd be willing to bet it won't lead to the government getting disposed. They need a revolution for that.
The majority of Iranians couldn't care less about nukes. Their economy is in the complete shitter. They've been experiencing record inflation levels, high unemployment rates for a few years now and their were riots when the government tried to control purchasable gasoline amounts last year. The last thing the general populace wants to see is their leadership badger their way into getting set back 25 years because they wanted to act like they were on par with the superpowers.
This is true. But, the poeple are not in charge there.
After they get destroyed you think the rest of the ME is going to lend them a hand? Hahahaha.
More, attempts to words in my mouth huh? Or not?
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lol its TONY lol..
Sorry man, multi-tasking here at work.
You mean like the perpetrators of 9/11, USS Cole, countless embassy bombings? and that wouldnt happen b/c of the society that we live in now would condemn that action...and you know it, need proof just look at some of the posters on here.
The difference between those and Iran, is Iran is a sovereign nation, and those attacks were from AQ, a terrorist organization.
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Hahaha, Iran's been deserving of an attack for years. They finance terrorism. They kill American soldiers and civilians. I know that you couldn't care less about that but don't say they're not a threat.
Here you go jumping to conclusions, or labeling.
Go back and re-read the whole thread starting from where i asked the series of questions about Iran being a threat.
I'm really starting to think you don't read at all, you just jump to conclusions if someone has a different view.
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Sorry man, multi-tasking here at work.
The difference between those and Iran, is Iran is a sovereign nation, and those attacks were from AQ, a terrorist organization.
its cool i was just messing with ya
From another thread earlier this week
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=222964.0
”The Zionist regime is pressuring White House officials to attack Iran. If they commit such a stupidity, Tel Aviv and U.S. shipping in the Persian Gulf will be Iran’s first targets and they will be burned,” Shirazi was quoted as saying.
Shirazi, a mid-level cleric, is Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s representative to the Revolutionary Guards.
”The Iranian nation will never accept bullying. The Iranian nation is a nation of believers which believes in jihad and martyrdom. No army in the world can confront it,” he added.
Sounds like they subscribe to the same belief system to me...again its that type of thinking that leads to the deaths of fellow countrymen.
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its cool i was just messing with ya
From another thread earlier this week
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=222964.0
”The Zionist regime is pressuring White House officials to attack Iran. If they commit such a stupidity, Tel Aviv and U.S. shipping in the Persian Gulf will be Iran’s first targets and they will be burned,” Shirazi was quoted as saying.
Shirazi, a mid-level cleric, is Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s representative to the Revolutionary Guards.
”The Iranian nation will never accept bullying. The Iranian nation is a nation of believers which believes in jihad and martyrdom. No army in the world can confront it,” he added.
Sounds like they subscribe to the same belief system to me...again its that type of thinking that leads to the deaths of fellow countrymen.
Again, all those are, are words. Iran is in no short supply of them. They are also the ones who say, they will wipe Israel off the map if they get attacked right? Now how stupid is that?
You can't go off and attack a country just becuase it rattles it saber or trash talks. Shit, we would have had WW6 by now!
Let them do something, just one thing, one bastardly act. And see how much of their country gets demolished. They know this!!!!
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If u look at the pics released, the exercises looked ridiculous...but we conducted exercises with the Brits, the Israeli's conducted their monster air X last month. They sorta have to do this. As much for their population as for sending some message to the Israeli's. Who I'm sure are praying they line up all their crap like in the video's.
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If u look at the pics released, the exercises looked ridiculous...but we conducted exercises with the Brits, the Israeli's conducted their monster air X last month. They sorta have to do this. As much for their population as for sending some message to the Israeli's. Who I'm sure are praying they line up all their crap like in the video's.
There isn't a nation in the ME that can fight with the Israelis or ourselves. It would be joke. Just like the invasion of Iraq.
1 American or Israeli soldier is worth 50-100 of Iranian troops.
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Yeah but they can't look weak. We won't be bombing anybody. U can sorta feel a war coming on and I don't feel anything. No troop movements..nothing. In 2003 it was never in doubt. Unless Israel launches, its just more BS. Only thing it means to us is gas stop falling.
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Why would they do that at the expense of their economy and country? If they shot at a tanker or tankers, they get 1 hour minimum of full US firepower. Similar to what Iraq got in 1991. They are not that stupid to want that exchange.
Huh ???
You do realize they have totally different mores than the West correct?
And this is a god given path for them, to destroy the West, and Israel
They could care less about economics as long as they see themselves as the winners.
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Has your flawed logic run into such a road block that now you have to resort to putting words in my mouth?
Come on dude, you are better than that.
If they are directly responsible why hasn't our government shown us? Is it a secret? BTW, i believe they are supplying some of the insurgency. Is that enough to go to war over? Well it looks like we are stabilizing Iraq, so it looks like we might not need to. If they were directly killing our troops then i'm sure BUSH and Co. would have made that case by now.
That would be great, if sanctions worked, and if an attack worked. but I'd be willing to bet it won't lead to the government getting disposed. They need a revolution for that.
This is true. But, the poeple are not in charge there.
More, attempts to words in my mouth huh? Or not?
The government has shown us. Iraq went to Tehran to confront them about their meddling in Iraq. They are the biggest financiers behind Hezbollah, who up until 9/11 had killed more Americans than any other terrorist organization.
I'm sure you just think that all the evidence is just horseshit, right? The QUDS guys captured in Iraq and everything?
You're either dumb or you turn a blind eye to the fact that Iranian money paid for the barracks bombings and several other major terrorist attacks over the years. ;)
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Huh ???
You do realize they have totally different mores than the West correct?
And this is a god given path for them, to destroy the West, and Israel
They could care less about economics as long as they see themselves as the winners.
Desire for Power is indiscriminate. I agree, they is a danger of Martyrdom, however, i',m willing to bet they like being the "Shot Callers" far more than "faith" they profess to follow to keep their power base supported.
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Yeah but they can't look weak. We won't be bombing anybody. U can sorta feel a war coming on and I don't feel anything. No troop movements..nothing. In 2003 it was never in doubt. Unless Israel launches, its just more BS. Only thing it means to us is gas stop falling.
very true
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The government has shown us. Iraq went to Tehran to confront them about their meddling in Iraq. They are the biggest financiers behind Hezbollah, who up until 9/11 had killed more Americans than any other terrorist organization.
I'm sure you just think that all the evidence is just horseshit, right? The QUDS guys captured in Iraq and everything?
No, you're jumping to conclusions again. re-read what i wrote on it.
Wait I'll save the trouble:
If they are directly responsible why hasn't our government shown us? Is it a secret? BTW, i believe they are supplying some of the insurgency. Is that enough to go to war over? Well it looks like we are stabilizing Iraq, so it looks like we might not need to.
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If they were directly killing our troops then i'm sure BUSH and Co. would have made that case by now.
Bush went to war in Iraq on BULL SHIT intel. Do you have better intel then he does? Don't you think that jack ass would gladly go to war?
You're either dumb or you turn a blind eye to the fact that Iranian money paid for the barracks bombings and several other major terrorist attacks over the years.
So now we've switched from putting words in mouth to assuming I'm dumb or turning a blind eye to stuff?
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OzmO, you are dead on correct in this thread.
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OzmO, you are dead on correct in this thread.
Thanks RPF, one thing i do worry about, slightly, is Iran testing how far they can go if Obama gets elected. But, for them to do that it would be a very calculated gamble becuase even if we don't directly get involved, Israel will lay waste to them.
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Thanks RPF, one thing i do worry about, slightly, is Iran testing how far they can go if Obama gets elected. But, for them to do that it would be a very calculated gamble becuase even if we don't directly get involved, Israel will lay waste to them.
Hahaha, when does Iran go "too far" exactly? You seem to have no problem with them killing Americans whenever they see fit. Nor do you seem to care about them trying to destabilize the entire ME. Nor do you care about them financing multiple terrorist groups. So if that doesn't do go too far for you, what does? A dirty bomb from Hezbollah?
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Hahaha, when does Iran go "too far" exactly? You seem to have no problem with them killing Americans whenever they see fit. Nor do you seem to care about them trying to destabilize the entire ME. Nor do you care about them financing multiple terrorist groups. So if that doesn't do go too far for you, what does? A dirty bomb from Hezbollah?
Does your major source of exercise comes from jumping to conclusions or incorrectly assuming people's views?
Are you building any muscle mass or is your head just getting thicker?
Or do you have problems reading?
Or is that just your debating MO? Sticking words in people mouths.
Seriously i wanna know.
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Does your major source of exercise comes from jumping to conclusions or incorrectly assuming people's views?
Are you building any muscle mass or is your head just getting thicker?
Or do you have problems reading?
Or is that just your debating MO? Sticking words in people mouths.
Seriously i wanna know.
Just doing what this board does best.
Thanks for answering my question, though. If none of those actions go too far, then what does? When Hezbollah sets off a dirty bomb in a major metropolitan area? When Iran directly finances another couple thousand American deaths? What goes too far in your book?
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Just doing what this board does best.
Thanks for answering my question, though. If none of those actions go too far, then what does? When Hezbollah sets off a dirty bomb in a major metropolitan area? When Iran directly finances another couple thousand American deaths? What goes too far in your book?
The US government has funded, supported and abetted military coups, genocide, dictatorships, torture and a host of other things; I would say we are about even; the only difference is that the US government pretends to have the moral high ground.
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Just doing what this board does best.
Thanks for answering my question, though. If none of those actions go too far, then what does? When Hezbollah sets off a dirty bomb in a major metropolitan area? When Iran directly finances another couple thousand American deaths? What goes too far in your book?
Do you speak English? Is it your first language?
I didn't answer your questions becuase they were presumptively stupid.
Seriously.
But since you can't use you head without jumping to conclusions or read comprehensively I will answer each question.
Just for you. :)
when does Iran go "too far" exactly?
Any direct attacks on US or it's allies or shipping etc... is too far.
You seem to have no problem with them killing Americans whenever they see fit. Nor do you seem to care about them trying to destabilize the entire ME. Nor do you care about them financing multiple terrorist groups.
Not true. More of your inability to deal with a reasonable thought process outside, "full out attack" and docile drunkenness. I'm beginning to think you can't even have a normal conversation.......but i don't want to jump to conclusions :-* ;D
So if that doesn't do go too far for you, what does? A dirty bomb from Hezbollah?
A dirty bomb from hez? Hez attacking anything US is too far, right now for them. And them attacking anything US at any time is too far for me. Fvcking Reagan, never did a dam thing it seemed.
But i though this was about Iran......oh yeah, maybe I'm jumping to conclusions..... ::)
When Iran directly finances another couple thousand American deaths?
Frankly, it looks they are losing the war so to speak in Iraq. So it's kind of a non issue. Haad we been able to prove they are supplying Iraqis then i say we should retaliate. But again, you'd have to scroll up and read my view on that. and it's a 50/50 chance you'll be able to understand what i said.
Don't mean to be an asshole here. But you are really acting kind of stupid it "seems".
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know this.
The world will change as we know it if a dirty bomb is set off or any kind of nuke by a terrorist.
It will be comparable to marshall law and genocide for the ME. the powers at be there know that. It will be the end of all those governments.
It cracks me up when talking with people that act as you have in this thread. They have no concept of thinking down the road or seeing the BIG picture. They can only see what's in front of them. People like that are so easily manipulated.
I'd crush them all the time at hold 'em without even thinking.
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Ozmo, would you agree with Noam Chomsky that at least externally the US government operates like a terrorist organisation?
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The US government has funded, supported and abetted military coups, genocide, dictatorships, torture and a host of other things; I would say we are about even; the only difference is that the US government pretends to have the moral high ground.
Reading what many say here on this forum. Many here don't have a moral high ground. :) :) :) :)
Kill or be killed!
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Ozmo, would you agree with Noam Chomsky that at least externally the US government operates like a terrorist organisation?
I haven't read any Noam Chomsky in along time. I read a few of his smaller books in the early 90's and he predicted that the US would start using it's own troops to meet their foreign policy objectives in the future. Boy, was he right about that.
I'd like to see how he makes that case, becuase i don't think so.
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Reading what many say here on this forum. Many here don't have a moral high ground. :) :) :) :)
Kill or be killed!
I guess...nuke the sand blacks.... ::)
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I haven't read any Noam Chomsky in along time. I read a few of his smaller books in the early 90's and he predicted that the US would start using it's own troops to meet their foreign policy objectives in the future. Boy, was he right about that.
I'd like to see how he makes that case, becuase i don't think so.
CIA interventions going back to the 1950's....and all the consequences that has had for other peoples of the world.
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The government has shown us. Iraq went to Tehran to confront them about their meddling in Iraq. They are the biggest financiers behind Hezbollah, who up until 9/11 had killed more Americans than any other terrorist organization.
Please support this statement with some facts. my understanding is that Hezbollah's main focus is Lebanon and it's relationship with Israel.
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You don't think the US and Israel know with almost 100% certainty where all of Iran's nuclear facilities are. I would be willing to bet that they know. They've probably known for years.
They probably have as much knowledge as Rumsfeld did about Iraqi WMD.
He knew exactly where they were... Tikrit... and the regions north... south, ...east, ...and west of there. ::)
Why won't it be stopped? When did Iran become this super power you're making them out to be? If it couldn't be stopped the rest of the ME would already have nukes. Egypt's been more powerful than Iran for a long time and they don't have nukes. Same with Saudi Arabia. What exactly makes Iran so special according to you? Their crappy military? The fact they can train terrorists to plant IEDs?
Stick enough sanctions on them, blow up their facilities and make it hard enough on life that the current government loses power and I bet they would stop. Their economy has been in the crapper for a few years now and most of Ahmadinejad's party members lost their seats in local elections. The Iranian populace isn't too happy with them right now. Record inflation levels, gas being controlled, etc.
Wasn't that the tactic taken against Iraq? Didn't seem to be as effective as they anticipated. huh?
Iraq was the superpower of the middle east thanks to all the assistance provided to it by the neocons during their last stint in the Whitehouse. Despite that, ...they barely held their own against Iran during the Iran/Iraq war. And despite having their country & economy destroyed by years of war, followed by bombardment with depleted uranium armaments, and a decade of crippling worldwide sanctions, ...it still didn't topple the leader. During the 2 decades Iran has rebuilt it's forces to twice the strength it was back then. There is no way a war with Iran will be a cake walk. You're kidding yourself if you think a war on a third front is going to go any more successfully than it has on the previous two fronts.
I don't believe Iran is in any way a threat to the Middle East or to America, not at this point in time by any actions I've seen them take. What I do believe is that Iran could pose a threat to Israeli's military supremacy in the middle east if their nuclear program were to be weaponized. Being a threat to someone's supremacy or economic status as a leader, does not equate to being a threat to the nation itself. By those standards, the USA would be declared a threat to the entire planet, ...if they haven't already been declared so. The threat isn't determined by capability, but by action, ...and thus far, it has been a whole different set of players who have demonstrated their willingness to wage aggressive pre-emptive wars against their neighbours near & far.
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UM note to Jag, Iraq is about done..u libs won't have that horse to beat anymore. Afghanistan....yeah if the Paki's could defend their own borders that would be over as well. What u know about Iranian military capabilities would fill a thimble. Once again we're the bad guy right. Do we really need to cut and paste anll the attacks and terror Iran has supported. How they have set up shop in Southern Iraq, are training AQI and the Mahdi army...oh what the internet told u different...get a grip Lib, u have no idea whats going on...none.
We aren't going to war with with Iran...that would entail ground troops and we aren't going into Iran on the ground. If we did attack them we'd crater their nuke plants and destroy their entire military infrastructure. If it moves it would die.....we aren't the 60,000 man Canadian army.