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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: NoCalBbEr on July 09, 2008, 12:50:58 PM
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hey guys
do you guys think that 12 - 16 sets per body part is to much?? I'm thinking about lowering it to just 12 - 9. do you guy that train with the set range or low get a good pump as with high volume??
thx guys
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Depends on the muscle.
Way too much for biceps, but just right for back.
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For me it depends on the bodypart.
Normally smaller parts like arms should be trained with less volume due to the fact that they are hit indirectly while training other bodyparts and that they are simply smaller and won`t usually recover from a lot of volume.
Best bet is to experiment and judge for yourself........everybod y`s different in the way they respond or don`t respond.
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thx for the replies guys
I have seen how much my arms have improved when I lovered it to 12 sets for bis and 12 for tris
I do 16 working sets for chest, back, delts and quads
I do 12 for arms and hams
calves and abs are 8 sets
each body parts are trained once a week
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just make sure you eat enough
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Depends on the muscle.
Way too much for biceps, but just right for back.
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I disagree. Everyone thinks because the biceps/triceps is such a small muscle, it can't handle volume. It's the opposite. Because they are small muscles, they can recover from the volume rather quickly in comparison to the other muscles.
To answer the other question, regarding the amount of sets; I don't think it's too much. As long as you waver the volume or decrease it after a certain amount of time. Periodize the amount and you'll be good. It's OK to do 15+ sets for a few weeks, but then taper it off and do less sets (10-12) so you can recover.....
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short answer= no, its not too much
long answer=
i think it depends on the person
some people respond tremendous to high volume
some not so much
also, it depends on what you have been doing, and if thats working
even for guys who do well with high volume, after a while you can stagnate and you need to switch it up
and also, are you natural bodyuilding? natural bodybuilders need to find a good balance of growth stimulation and hormonal stimulation in order to realize that growth. too much sets= adverse effects on hormones. too few sets= no growth stimulation. BALANCE
if your assisted, then all you worry about is maximizing your growth signals. so, to a point, more = better. because you hormonal level will be able to recooperate and recover from just about any amount of sets and growth stimulation.
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9-12 sets excluding warmups is more than enough IF the intensity's high on every set. The more sets are done, the less the intensity per set. Really it comes down to how hard you're willing to go on each set, the harder the work the less sets are needed to fatigue the muscle.
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I disagree. Everyone thinks because the biceps/triceps is such a small muscle, it can't handle volume. It's the opposite. Because they are small muscles, they can recover from the volume rather quickly in comparison to the other muscles.
Are implying that someone with 20" arms performing bicep curls with 6 sets of 10 at 80% 1RM will take longer to recover then someone with 13 inch arms using the same set/rep scheme just because they have more muscle tissue?
Maybe the human body is capable of repairing all damaged muscle fibres in the muscle at the same time i.e. simultaneously or in parallel. IF this is the case then a small muscle will have similar recovery time to large muscles.
I think some small muslce groups like biceps, triceps and shoulders don't really get sore after a typical workout, and some people assume this means that they recover quickly?
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I disagree. Everyone thinks because the biceps/triceps is such a small muscle, it can't handle volume. It's the opposite. Because they are small muscles, they can recover from the volume rather quickly in comparison to the other muscles.
Really?
Would you like to elaborate on your theory?
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my arms always grow better with high volume
i tried h.i.t. on my arms and i lost an inch within a month
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my arms always grow better with high volume
i tried h.i.t. on my arms and i lost an inch within a month
When did you measure?
After a workout or first thing in the morning?
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When did you measure?
After a workout or first thing in the morning?
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it was a rough estimate. just going by what the mirror tells me.
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hey guys
do you guys think that 12 - 16 sets per body part is to much?? I'm thinking about lowering it to just 12 - 9. do you guy that train with the set range or low get a good pump as with high volume??
thx guys
Your sets either way are fine. It's the reps you should keep between 8-12 or 15 at the highest depending on the bodypart. Keep rest no longer than 90-120sec.
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more sets always
never lower sets
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Are implying that someone with 20" arms performing bicep curls with 6 sets of 10 at 80% 1RM will take longer to recover then someone with 13 inch arms using the same set/rep scheme just because they have more muscle tissue?
I think some small muslce groups don't really get sore after a typical workout, and some people assume this means that they recover quickly?
Somebody who is bigger, will need more rest in general. Dennis James will have to rest more than the computer geek hoisting his 13" pythons while doing alternate DB curls with a whopping 25#. When I say this, I'm talking about a rather level playing field, so if one is one a boatload of gear, than he obviously has an advantage as well.
When I originally posted, I was not talking about the size of the person; 230 @ 5'9" versus 185 @ 5'9". I was referring to muscle size similar to quads being a bit bigger than biceps or chest versus deltoids.
The fact that a muscle does not get sore, doesn't really matter. If you went water skiing and your arms were sore from holding the rope on a long ski, does that mean you can't do curls because you haven't recovered? Soreness is usually more an indicator that you've used the muscle in a different way and it is not used to that stimulus. Rather than being rested or not.
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more sets always
never lower sets
Who's got the time?
Unless you're under 20, as many as you can fit into an intense 30 minutes. Get in, get out, get back.
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I'm 25 y/o. believe it or not I can finish in 50-60 mins a session and 60-70 mins on legs. legs seem to be mostly putting on the plats and taken them off.
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depends on a whole lot of factors.
how long are you taking, how taxing is each set, what body part are you using, what exercises. hitting failure on 15 sets of heavy squats is suicide, but doing a very gradual pyramid and never hitting failure might work well.
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Somebody who is bigger, will need more rest in general. Dennis James will have to rest more than the computer geek hoisting his 13" pythons while doing alternate DB curls with a whopping 25#. When I say this, I'm talking about a rather level playing field, so if one is one a boatload of gear, than he obviously has an advantage as well.
Size differential and rest time has no proven correlation that i'm aware of.
Drugs is another story since it positively impacts recuperation time. On the other hand, drugs will not radically change every aspect of training either.
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Size differential and rest time has no proven correlation that i'm aware of.
Drugs is another story since it positively impacts recuperation time. On the other hand, drugs will not radically change every aspect of training either.
well actually they do change alo about training. ive said before, a natural cant just train to stimulate hypertrophy. there must be hormonal considerations as well. a drug user trains soley for maximum hypertrophy stimulation. ( activating as much satellite cells and causing as many micro tears as possible). this is why giant sets or jay cutler/gustavo badell type workouts wont be so greta for a natural. and why h.i.t./doggcrapp style training does work very well for naturals.
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well actually they do change alo about training. ive said before, a natural cant just train to stimulate hypertrophy. there must be hormonal considerations as well. a drug user trains soley for maximum hypertrophy stimulation. ( activating as much satellite cells and causing as many micro tears as possible). this is why giant sets or jay cutler/gustavo badell type workouts wont be so greta for a natural. and why h.i.t./doggcrapp style training does work very well for naturals.
LOL...K!
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LOL...K!
if you have something to say or contribute, or somethin youd like to dispute. then why dont you do so.
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depends how intense you can be in your sets.....
normally i do no more than 3-4 "intense sets" (about 3-4 exercises) per Musclegroup. Before my 1. exercise i do at least 4-5 "warm-up sets, for following exercises 1 or 2 (depends how heavy i go, what exercise, and so on...)
but honestly i like to work out once with Bluto..... ::)
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my arms always grow better with high volume
i tried h.i.t. on my arms and i lost an inch within a month
13" arms must suck.
But you're are right about the concept.
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13" arms must suck.
But you're are right about the concept.
never had small arms, dude.
first pic 16 years old. second pic 17 years old.
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never had small arms, dude.
first pic 16 years old. second pic 17 years old.
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Solid 14.5" right there. Good size for a 17yo.
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Solid 14.5" right there. Good size for a 17yo.
no carbs and all natural ;D
and my arms still dont look that good :-[
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well actually they do change alo about training. ive said before, a natural cant just train to stimulate hypertrophy. there must be hormonal considerations as well. a drug user trains soley for maximum hypertrophy stimulation. ( activating as much satellite cells and causing as many micro tears as possible). this is why giant sets or jay cutler/gustavo badell type workouts wont be so greta for a natural. and why h.i.t./doggcrapp style training does work very well for naturals.
Dude, which is it? In one post you said your arms grew better on high volume and now you're saying no?
Quote From Candizzle;
my arms always grow better with high volume
i tried h.i.t. on my arms and i lost an inch within a month
You need to start listing to me a little better.
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Dude, which is it? In one post you said your arms grew better on high volume and now you're saying no?
Quote From Candizzle;
my arms always grow better with high volume
i tried h.i.t. on my arms and i lost an inch within a month
You need to start listing to me a little better.
my arms like high volume.
hit works better for naturals.
both are accurate.
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my arms like high volume.
hit works better for naturals.
both are accurate.
I'm speechless :(
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I'm speechless :(
I'm baffled ??? ??? ??? ???
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I´m confused..... ???
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I´m confused..... ???
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Candi seems to be doing this quite a bit of late.
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simple minds are often puzzled by the simplest of puzzles. puzzled? puzzling.
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Nice try.
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Nice try.
try ? whose trying ? you might want to try to try and try everyonce in a while... try it. dont "nice try" it.
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simple minds are often puzzled by the simplest of puzzles. puzzled? puzzling.
Nice try.
try ? whose trying ? you might want to try to try and try everyonce in a while... try it. dont "nice try" it.
Were you not the one that said "simple minds are often puzzled by the simplest of puzzles?" :-\
And if you don't think I try, I've tried more this day than you have all last year, chump. >:(
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i believe there was a discussion about muscular and neural efficiency, but it's missing now. what the hell?
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i believe there was a discussion about muscular and neural efficiency, but it's missing now. what the hell?
Remind us?
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I haven't stepped in a GNC type of store since then.
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i basically said that the more advanced the lifter gets, the greater neural efficiency and fiber recruitment, meaning the more rest and recovery will be needed. pumpster disagreed, i explained why he was wrong. there was no flame, he simply made an incorrect assertion.
unless those posts are hiding somewhere, they've been deleted.
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i basically said that the more advanced the lifter gets, the greater neural efficiency and fiber recruitment, meaning the more rest and recovery will be needed. pumpster disagreed, i explained why he was wrong. there was no flame, he simply made an incorrect assertion.
unless those posts are hiding somewhere, they've been deleted.
yeah you had a good point there, ive seen that illustrated on many many different credible sites and from many diffferent truly knowledgeable people.
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yeah you had a good point there, ive seen that illustrated on many many different credible sites and from many diffferent truly knowledgeable people.
believe it or not, i actually do check out quite a number of studies, i just never have them on hand. ;D
i just don't get why those posts got deleted. there was no flaming. it's almost like pumpster deleted them simply because i corrected him and explained why he was wrong. ???
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believe it or not, i actually do check out quite a number of studies, i just never have them on hand. ;D
i just don't get why those posts got deleted. there was no flaming. it's almost like pumpster deleted them simply because i corrected him and explained why he was wrong. ???
Join the club! ;D
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Massive pumpster obsession here as usual lol
"magoo" takes 3 attempts to get posts that make any sense, getting the wording and meanings wrong initially, then compounds it by claiming something that he never substantiates. On top of that he neglects to notice that there's very little conclusive research out there, despite unsubstatiated claims to know what the last word is here.
Overload likes making blanket statemets because he apparently has the definitive answers even though they're always easily blown up. Then he quickly disappears.
Basically you've got two characters on here claiming to "know fer sure" that they have the last word when they've simply got opinions that they don't bother mentioning are just that, opinions that are easily challenged.
Carry on kidz, but stick to training and less personal obsession it ain't interesting. ;D
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Massive pumpster obsession here as usual lol
"magoo" takes 3 attempts to get posts that make any sense, getting the wording and meanings wrong initially, then compounds it by claiming something that he never substantiates. On top of that he neglects to notice that there's very little conclusive research out there, despite unsubstatiated claims to know what the last word is here.
Overload likes making blanket statemets because he apparently has the definitive answers even though they're always easily blown up. Then he quickly disappears.
Basically you've got two characters on here claiming to "know fer sure" that they have the last word when they've simply got opinions that they don't bother mentioning are just that, opinions that are easily challenged.
Carry on kidz, but stick to training and less personal obsession it ain't interesting. ;D
post deleting still sounds like the harsh thing to do.
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post deleting still sounds like the harsh thing to do.
I have a better idea: focus on training and not personal crap and it won't matter. That means you buddy. ;)
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I have a better idea: focus on training and not personal crap and it won't matter. That means you buddy. ;)
I may pass.. I may be wrong and have my post deleted instead of being challenged? :-\
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=223110.0;attach=262194;image)
What’s that on the right of you?
Are you a fireman, or is that to practice the latest pole dancing moves?
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Good progress, bro; especially compared with those older pics that somehow keep finding their way onto this board.
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I may pass.. I may be wrong and have my post deleted instead of being challenged? :-\
Sad that this is the only reason you're here, to help your buddies. You really should try to contribute something about training, that would be positive. When you do, be smart and resist the urge to make absolute statements about training that aren't substantiated, that are only really opinions while resorting to the personal, like magoo and overload.
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Photo right of Can-did looks like the middle section of a mirrored sliding glass bedroom door. That sunlight, from a angle, does not give any true reading to the body.
Wonder how tall he is? Looks a little below average in height, while his head seems out of porportion to the rest of the body. Chest may be a bit shallow, hard to tell by that pose. A relaxed front and side view would offer much in the way to show his future potental. Overall, good and steady progress. Kind of looks like an average jock right now but I am sure he could add 20 lbs of solid muscle with-in at least 6 months to a year. Good Luck.
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Sad that this is the only reason you're here, to help your buddies. You really should try to contribute something about training, that would be positive. When you do, be smart and resist the urge to make absolute statements about training that aren't substantiated, that are only really opinions while resorting to the personal, like magoo and overload.
i didn't say anything personal! i just made a post, you refuted me, i calmly explained why you were wrong. then not only are my posts gone, but so is the one you made arguing with me. there was NO reason to delete them, it was not flaming in ANY way.
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i didn't say anything personal! i just made a post, you refuted me, i calmly explained why you were wrong. then not only are my posts gone, but so is the one you made arguing with me. there was NO reason to delete them, it was not flaming in ANY way.
This is better, none of the hostility that is buried in previous posts. Maybe you don't realize it.
As far as right or wrong, you're expressing an opinion. Very little of any research produced is conclusive.
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I have a better idea: focus on training and not personal crap and it won't matter. That means you buddy. ;)
Do you alternate hands?
Yeah, Let me know when the playing field is equal.
Abusing your powers is one thing, but at least leave up all the posts where we prove you wrong...over and over and over.
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Very little of any research produced is conclusive.
Really? Have you ever studied in a given field? anything?
Do we need another round for me to teach you the basics?
Pumpers opinion < Scientific research
Take care old chap.
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i didn't say anything personal! i just made a post, you refuted me, i calmly explained why you were wrong. then not only are my posts gone, but so is the one you made arguing with me. there was NO reason to delete them, it was not flaming in ANY way.
Truth!
I get more PM's each day, than posts on this training board...lol
Looks like the masses recognize the difference.
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This is better, none of the hostility that is buried in previous posts. Maybe you don't realize it.
As far as right or wrong, you're expressing an opinion. Very little of any research produced is conclusive.
that's not the point. the point is you DELETED two of my posts and one of yours for no apparent reason other than i said something, you argued, and i explained why you were mistaken. there was no flame war. i said "X is the case", you said "no it isn't", i said "yes it is and here's why".
you are DELETING posts for no reason other than you don't like it when someone proves you wrong. that's incredibly immature and not at all right for moderator behaviour. simply admit you were wrong to delete those posts and we can move on. don't blame me, i was entirely level-headed in my responses to you, nor am i flaming you now.
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Photo right of Can-did looks like the middle section of a mirrored sliding glass bedroom door. That sunlight, from a angle, does not give any true reading to the body.
Wonder how tall he is? Looks a little below average in height, while his head seems out of porportion to the rest of the body. Chest may be a bit shallow, hard to tell by that pose. A relaxed front and side view would offer much in the way to show his future potental. Overall, good and steady progress. Kind of looks like an average jock right now but I am sure he could add 20 lbs of solid muscle with-in at least 6 months to a year. Good Luck.
that is when i was 17 bro. 19 now. yes my chest always has SUCKED ! still sucks, but its bigger than that now. i am actually 6 feet tall (well, 5'11'' but close enough :P )... and yes i have a ginormous noggin as well ! haha. that bed and dresser are super large thats why i look small in comparison.
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that bed and dresser are super large thats why i look small in comparison.
EXCUSES,EXCUSES,EXCUSES!! LOL :)
Just kidding dizzle.
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What’s that on the right of you?
Are you a fireman, or is that to practice the latest pole dancing moves?
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Good progress, bro; especially compared with those older pics that somehow keep finding their way onto this board.
thanks, i was 17 tho
original posting date = http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=116127.0 .. januray 2007. i tuned 19 this may.
that is just to prove that that isnt recent picture for those who might try to say that it is
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i am actually 6 feet tall (well, 5'11'' but close enough :P )... and yes i have a ginormous noggin as well ! haha. that bed and dresser are super large thats why i look small in comparison.
Well thanks for clearing that up.
Now JPM knows you’re not a Hobbit.
When will you be unveiling current pics, Dizzy?
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Well thanks for clearing that up.
Now JPM knows you’re not a Hobbit.
When will you be unveiling current pics. Dizzy?
i dont want to post any more pics of myself dude. i prefer to remain mysterious :D ( = "i look like garbage" hahaha )
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:)