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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Butterbean on July 22, 2008, 11:23:23 AM
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Did anyone receive a letter request with inserts, etc. to give money to Barack Obama to "end the gridlock and reclaim america?"
If so, did the letter etc. prompt you to give?
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was it linked to a merchant processor or something?
phishing email?
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It was snail mail
They want to make sure that McCain voters who don't own computers can still donate.
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I thought Obama was for the earth?
What is the term "gridlock" supposed to convey?
That the Democratic congress is holding things up?
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What is the term "gridlock" supposed to convey?
That the Democratic congress is holding things up?
I think the gridlock thing is their idea that amount of SEnate Repubs make it possible to block what the dems what to do.
I think what the money actually goes to is to finance campaigns for democrats....but after scanning the letter it doesn't look like it states that specifically.
I will try to scan and copy and upload the letter but I'm not sure if I can figure that one out....seriously :-\ If I can't upload it I'll try to send it to Rob and if he wants he can post it here.
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Thank goodness we have republicans, no telling what the democrats would be wanting to do next - adopt a terrorist.
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Thank goodness we have republicans, no telling what the democrats would be wanting to do next - adopt a terrorist.
weird that Obama wants to send 5000 men into pakistan to kill osama bin laden...
but McCain doesn't ;)
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Thank goodness we have republicans, no telling what the democrats would be wanting to do next - adopt a terrorist.
Seems weird they would spend all this money on mailing(s) ....but maybe it works out in their favor.
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weird that Obama wants to send 5000 men into pakistan to kill osama bin laden...
but McCain doesn't ;)
How the hell is he going to do that. Barrack is out of touch on Afghanistan.
Pakistan will not let 5000 American soldiers in without their permission.
If he invades then there will be a real shit storm.
Good luck flying over Pakistan. Iran, China or Russia, if America invaded Pakistan. Its not a good idea to piss off 3 major nuclear powers at once.
http://www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45927&Itemid=2
Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, who meets top U.S. leaders in Washington later this month, Saturday ruled out any foreign troops on Pakistani soil, making it clear that only Pakistani forces would take action against any terrorists that may be hiding on its soil.Islamabad urges Washington to improve intelligence sharing on the Afghan border.
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Pakistan will not let 5000 American soldiers in without their permission.
We have given them billions since 2001. We've given them 7 years to get bin laden on their own.
Now, if Bush was willing to topple an independent govt in afghanistan - the taleban - because they harbor terrorists (taleban was legit to us, as we negotiated with them for oil pipeline for 6 months before 911, and they did offer to deliver OBL if we showed proof of his involvement) - why can't the USA go into pakistan for bin laden?
Or, should they just let him spend 7 more years living free, after being part of the worst attack on our soil ever?
I mean, the repubs are all about justice... going anywhere on the earth to root out terror... yet "pakistan won't LET us?" Come on...
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We have given them billions since 2001. We've given them 7 years to get bin laden on their own.
Now, if Bush was willing to topple an independent govt in afghanistan - the taleban - because they harbor terrorists (taleban was legit to us, as we negotiated with them for oil pipeline for 6 months before 911, and they did offer to deliver OBL if we showed proof of his involvement) - why can't the USA go into pakistan for bin laden?
Or, should they just let him spend 7 more years living free, after being part of the worst attack on our soil ever?
I mean, the repubs are all about justice... going anywhere on the earth to root out terror... yet "pakistan won't LET us?" Come on...
America will have a nuclear problem in their hands if they invade Pakistan.
Barack doesn't seem to know this.
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America will have a nuclear problem in their hands if they invade Pakistan.
Barack doesn't seem to know this.
There's a diff between invading, and doing more to put men in there to get bin laden.
if they haven't gotten him under Bush - who gave them tons of money and weapons and eyes in sky, etc... they'll never get him.
Do they even want to catch bin laden? I'm being serious. SEVEN YEARS...
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Clinton could have killed Osama 3 times and didn't
Bush had him at Tora Bora and didn't.
The Bin Laden family is very powerful and causing a civil war in Saudi Arabia over killing Osama would be devastating to the world economy.
The problem is that Pakistan is very close to a civil war. America sending more troops in would only worsen the situation.
If Pakistan falls, the world will be very bad off.
If leaving Osama in Pakistan keeps Al Qaeda from acquiring a few Plutonium bombs and Saudi Arabia producing oil, then I would guess that it is a fair trade off.
Its the same reason why there are not more American ground strikes on the Taliban on Pakistan. They know where the training bases are, but is an assault worth a civil war in Pakistan.
When the Afghanistan Military can stand up for itself it will help a lot, but this won't happen until Afghanistan van develop some semblance of an economy.
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Clinton could have killed Osama 3 times and didn't
Bush had him at Tora Bora and didn't.
The Bin Laden family is very powerful and causing a civil war in Saudi Arabia over killing Osama would be devastating to the world economy.
The problem is that Pakistan is very close to a civil war. America sending more troops in would only worsen the situation.
If Pakistan falls, the world will be very bad off.
If leaving Osama in Pakistan keeps Al Qaeda from acquiring a few Plutonium bombs and Saudi Arabia producing oil, then I would guess that it is a fair trade off.
Its the same reason why there are not more American ground strikes on the Taliban on Pakistan. They know where the training bases are, but is an assault worth a civil war in Pakistan.
When the Afghanistan Military can stand up for itself it will help a lot, but this won't happen until Afghanistan van develop some semblance of an economy.
awesome post. makes a lot of sense.
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thanks
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awesome post. makes a lot of sense.
no it wasn't
What happened to McCain's promise to follow "Osama to the gates of hell?" ::) I guess that is only if the gate isn't at the Pakistan border.
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What happened to McCain's promise to follow "Osama to the gates of hell?" ::) I guess that is only if the gate isn't at the Pakistan border.
It shows that Bush and Mccain say things to fire up their base, that they don't really mean. Deceptive.
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It shows that Bush and Mccain say things to fire up their base, that they don't really mean. Deceptive.
Do you really think that Barack will send 5000 troops into Pakistan or that McCain will invade Pakistan knowing what the consequences are?
Both sides stretch the truth and pander to voters. Its an election after all.
No one will invade Pakistan, unless they want Al Qaeda to acquire nuclear weapons and another much more devastating attack in America.
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No one will invade Pakistan, unless they want Al Qaeda to acquire nuclear weapons and another much more devastating attack in America.
Ridiculous projection into the future.
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weird that Obama wants to send 5000 men into pakistan to kill osama bin laden...
but McCain doesn't ;)
neither can or will..the ISI and CIA r intimately connected...
i believe osama is already dead...and if not...he's much more valuable alive..look how much bush got done in the name of terrorism
and musharraf is following his lead....he's still in office isn't he
and al-queda is never gonna get their hands on paki nukes..
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Do you even have a clue into what is happening in Pakistan.
If the government falls in a civil war there will be a strong likely hood that nuclear weapons could or would be passed onto Al Qaeda.
This event will most likely be triggered if America sends in troops without the approval of the Pakistani government.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/12/al_qaeda_taliban_tar.php
http://www.daily.pk/politics/politicalnews/37-politicalnews/5954-usa-lies-there-is-no-chance-of-another-911-from-pakistani-tribal-areas-.html
Pakistan must be allowed time to deal with there own mess.
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Do you even have a clue into what is happening in Pakistan.
If the government falls in a civil war there will be a strong likely hood that nuclear weapons could or would be passed onto Al Qaeda.
i AM from pakistan...
idiot...
the military govt is not going anywhere.....
unless musharaff blows up on a plane with a buncha american delegates like the last military dictator zia ::)
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i AM from pakistan...
idiot...
Looks like the joke is on "a_joker10". :D
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Looks like the joke is on "a_joker10". :D
that fucker better check under the hood before getting in his car today..
BOOM! >:(
:D
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i AM from pakistan...
idiot...
the military govt is not going anywhere.....
unless musharaff blows up on a plane with a buncha american delegates like the last military dictator zia ::)
My statement wasn't to you. I know your from Pakistan.
You happened to respond before I finished my post.
It was on Benny.
Musharaff won't last if America goes into Pakistan without the government involved.
The Pakistani government is already signing deals with the Northern Provinces for limited autonomous rule.
http://www.business-standard.com/common/news_article.php?autono=329402&leftnm=5&subLeft=0&chkFlg=
Running with the Taliban hare while hunting with the American hound has had its inevitable consequences for Pakistan. The entire Northwest Frontier Province of Pakistan is today under virtual Taliban control. In his conclusion Rashid notes: "Today, seven years after 9/11 Mullah Omar and the original Afghan Shura still live in Baluchistan Province. Afghans and Pakistani Taliban leaders live further north in FATA (Federally Administered Tribal Areas), as do the militias of Jalaluddin Haqqani and Gulbuddin Hikmetyar. Al Qaeda has safe havens in FATA, and along with them reside a plethora of Asian and Arab terrorist groups".
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My statement wasn't to you. I know your from Pakistan.
You happened to respond before I finished my post.
It was on Benny.
Musharaff won't last if America goes into Pakistan without the government involved.
The Pakistani government is already signing deals with the Northern Provinces for limited autonomous rule.
http://www.business-standard.com/common/news_article.php?autono=329402&leftnm=5&subLeft=0&chkFlg=
Running with the Taliban hare while hunting with the American hound has had its inevitable consequences for Pakistan. The entire Northwest Frontier Province of Pakistan is today under virtual Taliban control. In his conclusion Rashid notes: "Today, seven years after 9/11 Mullah Omar and the original Afghan Shura still live in Baluchistan Province. Afghans and Pakistani Taliban leaders live further north in FATA (Federally Administered Tribal Areas), as do the militias of Jalaluddin Haqqani and Gulbuddin Hikmetyar. Al Qaeda has safe havens in FATA, and along with them reside a plethora of Asian and Arab terrorist groups".
Why are you attempting to respond to me when the guy from Pakistan informed you that you are full of shit? Epic evasion of reality.
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The entire Northwest Frontier Province of Pakistan is today under virtual Taliban control
no its not dood....only some parts..most of it is beautifull country..and yanno who u see when u r up there...
national geog teams and usually white americans and europeans :-\
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His response was the same as mine no one will be sending in 5000 troops.
That is why I was responding to you Benny.
This is for Protein Farts.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/07/pakistan_signs_peace_1.php
Areas controlled by Taliban are Red.
Defacto Purple
Influenced Yellow.
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His response was the same as mine no one will be sending in 5000 troops.
That is why I was responding to you Benny.
This is for Protein Farts.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/07/pakistan_signs_peace_1.php
Areas controlled by Taliban are Red.
Defacto Purple
Influenced Yellow.
i've been as far up as kaghan and naran up to lake saiful muluk...i cant make out where they r on the map..
(http://www.visitpakistanonline.com/photogallery/lakes/saiful%20muluk.jpg)
well in any case thats eye opening..things have a changed in NWFP if that actually is accurate.. :-\
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The photo looks nice.
Someday I would like to go to Northern India and Pakistan.
I would love to see Kashmir, but I am thinking that the trip is less and less likely to happen.
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The photo looks nice.
Someday I would like to go to Northern India and Pakistan.
I would love to see Kashmir, but I am thinking that the trip is less and less likely to happen.
what most Americans dont understand and some refuse to believe about pakistan is that its NOT like what u see on the teli...
now that American reporter that got beheaded (i forget the name) ws an idiot..who told him to go wave his American press ID at a islamic fundie rally?? hell i would have avoided that part of the neighborhood..and he ws a white American..idiot..
anyhow..most pakis drink at home...yeah pray on fridays but certainly dont do it 5 times..they pass by religious fundie rallys and roll their eyes(they actually believe the taliban r a bastardization of islam)..on ocassion there r bomb blasts by the fundies and they go.." o so sad" and then that nite go out partying (what r they supposed to do? sit at home in fear?? :-\)
in the north take a tour(you'll be with mostly upper class families)....as long as you mind your own buziness, dont stare at their women they dont bother ya...yeah u hear the ocassional gun shot but thats more often that not to scare wildlife away..
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below r pix of shangri la pakistan..in skardu
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&resnum=0&q=shangri%20la%20pakistan&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
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i've been as far up as kaghan and naran up to lake saiful muluk...i cant make out where they r on the map..
(http://www.visitpakistanonline.com/photogallery/lakes/saiful%20muluk.jpg)
well in any case thats eye opening..things have a changed in NWFP if that actually is accurate.. :-\
dang, that's almost as nice as Colorado, not quite but very nice.
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21946_colorado.jpg)
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21949_colorado4.jpg)
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21948_colorado3.jpg)
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21947_colorado2.jpg)
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21950_colorado5.jpg)
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21951_colorado6.jpg)
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http://image16.webshots.com/16/6/95/3/2064695030100388963UBEEfd_ph.jpg
http://www.earth.ox.ac.uk/~mikes/KarakoramPhotos.html
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Pakistan must be allowed time to deal with there own mess.
So Osama bin Laden gets away with it because he chose to set up camp in one of our Allies. Odd.
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So Osama bin Laden gets away with it because he chose to set up camp in one of our Allies. Odd.
unless osama didn't do it in the first place :-\
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whatever Osama did, it wasn't because we were after getting him.
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unless osama didn't do it in the first place :-\
revisionist history? :-\
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revisionist history? :-\
Aside from a video which many bin laden historians - american and global - believe is a fake, there is no evidence linking Osama to 911.
The FBI has admitted it as well. Did you know that on the FBI's Bin Laden warrant, 911 isn't even listed? The FBI spokesman has said it's because there isn't any hard evidence he is involved. The one piece of evidence that links him - a grainy tape located by US forces at the most needed politically convenient moment - shows a bin laden that physically looks and acts different than the bin laden on other tapes taken that week. Did he add 40 pounds of fat and have a nosejob before and after this particular video? Or was it military propaganda that Rumsfeld now admits we were using at that very time to stir pro-US sentiment?
If there was evidence, 911 would be listed next to the USS Cole attack on bin Laden't rap sheet. It's not.
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Aside from a video which many bin laden historians - american and global - believe is a fake, there is no evidence linking Osama to 911.
The FBI has admitted it as well. Did you know that on the FBI's Bin Laden warrant, 911 isn't even listed? The FBI spokesman has said it's because there isn't any hard evidence he is involved. The one piece of evidence that links him - a grainy tape located by US forces at the most needed politically convenient moment - shows a bin laden that physically looks and acts different than the bin laden on other tapes taken that week. Did he add 40 pounds of fat and have a nosejob before and after this particular video? Or was it military propaganda that Rumsfeld now admits we were using at that very time to stir pro-US sentiment?
If there was evidence, 911 would be listed next to the USS Cole attack on bin Laden't rap sheet. It's not.
oookay. ::)
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oookay. ::)
I see you rolling your eyes. Attack any part of it, and I'll happily prove it.
Fact is, on 9.16.01, Condi promised a white paper showing bin laden's ties to 911. It's been 7 years and we still haven't seen it.
Fact is, bin laden deserves to be in a pine box for the USS Cole.
Fact is, the FBI still hasn't charged him with 9/11 attacks.
So roll your eyes. But you're rolling your eyes at facts.
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I see you rolling your eyes. Attack any part of it, and I'll happily prove it.
Fact is, on 9.16.01, Condi promised a white paper showing bin laden's ties to 911. It's been 7 years and we still haven't seen it.
Fact is, bin laden deserves to be in a pine box for the USS Cole.
Fact is, the FBI still hasn't charged him with 9/11 attacks.
So roll your eyes. But you're rolling your eyes at facts.
I'll play along with the conspiracy theorist for a brief minute...
What facts do you have that the Osama tape taking responsibility for 9/11/01 was a fake? Who created the phony tape?
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I'll play along with the conspiracy theorist for a brief minute...
What facts do you have that the Osama tape taking responsibility for 9/11/01 was a fake? Who created the phony tape?
I don't have to prove the tape is fake. Do you know why? Because there is no official story saying it's real. Our own FBI rejected it as evidence when they stated "there is no hard evidence bin laden was in any way involved with 9/11."
They don't consider a videotaped confession to be hard evidence.