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Title: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 07:59:23 PM
I gotta say I use to think about it every week about, or so.  How often do you bros think about it??  Has anyone ever tried it?  I tried to once half ass attempt lol, alcohol and full nyquil bottle and a huge bottle of vodka at once, it was the best drunk I ever got and felt great the next day, no hangover.

Share your experiences..

My doc put me on lexapro and I like only thought about it once in the past few months, this stuff is great, except it does kinda mellow out your personality. 

Any input bros!!

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: tommywishbone on August 02, 2008, 08:01:09 PM
Never... until I had to endure this stupid thread.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on August 02, 2008, 08:01:52 PM
is everything ok jt??

my pm box is always available to u...message me anytime if u need to talk
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: QuakerOats on August 02, 2008, 08:02:54 PM
every time i log on to getbig and realize i'm the only non 650 for reps benching, supermodel/porn star girlfriend having, billionaire on here. :'(
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: bigdumbbell on August 02, 2008, 08:03:57 PM
never  lol
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: elite_lifter on August 02, 2008, 08:04:32 PM
is everything ok jt??

my pm box is always available to u...message me anytime if u need to talk
You would enjoy sucking the pain right out of him you gaytroll
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 08:05:54 PM
is everything ok jt??

my pm box is always available to u...message me anytime if u need to talk

Natural, thx for the post bro, yeah everything is great, I am on anti depressant meds(lexapro) now.  I was just curious if anyone else here had a problem like I did before I was on it.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 08:07:55 PM
every time i log on to getbig and realize i'm the only non 650 for reps benching, supermodel/porn star girlfriend having, billionaire on here. :'(


You should be proud of being a persian trailer thrash, and such a fine rep for Missouri :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 08:08:10 PM
 instead of giving money to rich fat-kat pharmaceutical companies for anti depressant psychoactives, why not pay your local drug dealer who is living in poverty and buy some mushrooms, or maybe weed (if you react positively to that kind of thing)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: _bruce_ on August 02, 2008, 08:10:37 PM
Sometimes, but I'm a moody bastard so I'm used to mental rollercoasters.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 08:12:13 PM
Sometimes, but I'm a moody bastard so I'm used to mental rollercoasters.

You seem happy when in the Sauna, like screaming happy ;D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: chaos on August 02, 2008, 08:12:31 PM
I gotta say I use to think about it every week about, or so.  How often do you bros think about it??  Has anyone ever tried it?  I tried to once half ass attempt lol, alcohol and full nyquil bottle and a huge bottle of vodka at once, it was the best drunk I ever got and felt great the next day, no hangover.

Share your experiences..

My doc put me on lexapro and I like only thought about it once in the past few months, this stuff is great, except it does kinda mellow out your personality. 

Any input bros!!

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 08:13:29 PM
Sometimes, but I'm a moody bastard so I'm used to mental rollercoasters.

Ahh I feel ya, I use to be really moody too, and a rollercoaster, I have one mindset now, kinda like Jay Cutler, mellow LOL.  It turns you into a zombie sometimes.

Candizzle, not good advice, depression is a serious topic not something to be played with.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: elite_lifter on August 02, 2008, 08:22:03 PM
Ahh I feel ya, I use to be really moody too, and a rollercoaster, I have one mindset now, kinda like Jay Cutler, mellow LOL.  It turns you into a zombie sometimes.

Candizzle, not good advice, depression is a serious topic not something to be played with.

jt
get a life homo, depressed go cry to mommy, Weak minded POS!
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 08:24:57 PM
get a life homo, depressed go cry to mommy, Weak minded POS!

What are you talking about lifter?  I am not depressed anymore, this thread is about asking if anybody had the same problem I did have.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 08:26:08 PM
What are you talking about lifter?  I am not depressed anymore, this thread is about asking if anybody had the same problem I did have.

jt


What would happen if you went off the drugs? More suicide attempts? :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: elite_lifter on August 02, 2008, 08:26:44 PM
What are you talking about lifter?  I am not depressed anymore, this thread is about asking if anybody had the same problem I did have.

jt
Sure your not, stay away from razors and ropes jerkoff
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Hereford on August 02, 2008, 08:30:33 PM
You guys are brutal man.

WTF.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 08:32:44 PM
i wasnt kidding or joking around.

i know alot about depression my man.

mushrooms have been being used for this for thousands of years.


modern medicine is just that, modern.

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 08:33:31 PM
i wasnt kidding or joking around.

i know alot about depression my man.

mushrooms have been being used for this for thousands of years.


modern medicine is just that, modern.




Were you depressed because you were fat?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 08:33:58 PM

Were you depressed because you were fat?

lol
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 08:34:55 PM

Were you depressed because you were fat?
  haha. fuck no.  food is the best anti depressant there is. go eat a box of oreas and a big ole pizza and tell me you dont feel great ! fat = happy.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: chaos on August 02, 2008, 08:35:07 PM
i wasnt kidding or joking around.

i know alot about depression my man. mushrooms have been being used for this for thousands of years.


modern medicine is just that, modern.


LOL, resident expert on everything under the sun. ;D

Hey I get this "squeaky" sounding noise on my motorcycle after about 5-6 miles, running a 113" motor, 3" open belt, and six speed tranny.......know what it is?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 08:35:33 PM
getting a life is the best anti-depressant
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: BayGBM on August 02, 2008, 08:35:48 PM
Natural, thx for the post bro, yeah everything is great, I am on anti depressant meds(lexapro) now.  I was just curious if anyone else here had a problem like I did before I was on it.

jt

Come out of the closet.  End of suicidal problem.  :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Ex Coelis on August 02, 2008, 08:38:18 PM
everybody has times when they feel shitty; natural fluctuations of hormones can mess with your mind - that and the bullshit you're forced to endure

yes, even BPJ feels down sometimes
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: ozman on August 02, 2008, 08:39:06 PM


Candizzle, not good advice, depression is a serious topic not something to be played with.


how true

some people do not know the demons others go through every day
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 08:39:41 PM
everyone feels down sometimes, if your always up there is something wrong with you. If you are always down something is wrong with you it's natural. Meaning something has to change.

Grow a pair and deal with it.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Eisenherz on August 02, 2008, 08:42:02 PM
Come out of the closet.  End of suicidal problem.  :D

This is why I dont like homo's.  They always trieng to encourage ppl to become gay and to confuse them and then offer them a way out.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 08:43:01 PM
 everyone has the capacity for everything.

all humans can be positive, can be negative, can be GREAT, can be failures, all people can be happy and can be sad. can be murderous and can be angelic.    subconciously we all decide who we are and what we do/how we want to live our lives.

you must choose to be happy. choose to stay positive. choose to be successful. choose your path.



 :)


yes chaos, i am an expert in all things. you can call me god.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 08:45:47 PM
what are next weeks lotto numbers?
the numbers that the winner of next weeks lotto will have on his lotto ticket.  ;)

 god doesnt know what the future holds. god can only make predictions based on the past and his omniscient sense of the universe. for all people have the power of free will.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 08:46:51 PM
the numbers that the winner of next weeks lotto will have on his lotto ticket.  ;)

god doesnt know what the future holds. god can only make predictions based on the past and his omniscient sense of the universe. for all people have the power of free will.

I'm not getting into this right now.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 08:47:36 PM
I'm not getting into this right now.
arguing with your lord is INFANTILE.  :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 08:48:44 PM
arguing with your lord is INFANTILE.  :D

No you're just wrong.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: benchthis on August 02, 2008, 08:48:54 PM
wellbutrin  :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: ozman on August 02, 2008, 08:50:12 PM
everyone has the capacity for everything.

all humans can be positive, can be negative, can be GREAT, can be failures, all people can be happy and can be sad. can be murderous and can be angelic.    subconciously we all decide who we are and what we do/how we want to live our lives.

you must choose to be happy. choose to stay positive. choose to be successful. choose your path.



 :)


yes chaos, i am an expert in all things. you can call me god.

sorry I don't agree
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 08:50:24 PM
JT get off the drugs, get off the computer, go outside

and get a life. Simple as that
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: ozman on August 02, 2008, 08:51:21 PM
by the way

it's   subconsciously
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 08:51:42 PM
  haha. fuck no.  food is the best anti depressant there is. go eat a box of oreas and a big ole pizza and tell me you dont feel great ! fat = happy.

True lol

getting a life is the best anti-depressant

Yes staying busy can help, but there are going to be times when you have nothing to do and it will haunt you again.

how true

some people do not know the demons others go through every day

Exactly, man of the ppl saying grow a pair or kill yourself have never had depression and are just ignorant. 

And yes if I did come off the anti depressants the problem would probably come back, not sure who asked that.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: QuakerOats on August 02, 2008, 08:52:47 PM
nothing wrong at all with those drugs, if you need them use them, why be miserable.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 08:53:07 PM
by disagreeing you are choosing negativity and anger and disappointment. realize your state of mind is decided upon by you, and only you.  

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 08:53:43 PM
JT get off the drugs, get off the computer, go outside

and get a life. Simple as that

It's not as simple as low testosterone etc, depression is huge in the medical community, big money to be made to solve it, so many people try, if it were as easy as doing HRT, getting a life etc, ppl would do that, but it isn't.  The current anti depressant's seem to be working pretty well for everybody.  They are the most prescribed drug in the US now.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 08:55:08 PM
by disagreeing you are choosing negativity and anger and disappointment. realize your state of mind is decided upon by you, and only you.   



dizzle you remind me of Tom Cruise going on the today show with Matt Laurer saying all depressed ppl need to do is take their vitamins and be scientoligsts or something crazy he said, later that year he had depression and apologized.

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 08:55:18 PM
nothing wrong at all with those drugs, if you need them use them, why be miserable.
i agree. i just think they are better ways to do it. i am a huge advocate of mushroom eating, and eating them as often as you feel you need to.  
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: QuakerOats on August 02, 2008, 08:56:07 PM
It's not as simple as low testosterone etc, depression is huge in the medical community, big money to be made to solve it, so many people try, if it were as easy as doing HRT, getting a life etc, ppl would do that, but it isn't.  The current anti depressant's seem to be working pretty well for everybody.  They are the most prescribed drug in the US now.

jt
it's all based on Serotonin levels in your brain, once those levels are brought back to normal you'll feel better.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 08:57:03 PM
i agree. i just think they are better ways to do it. i am a huge advocate of mushroom eating, and eating them as often as you feel you need to. 

If they work so well, why don't doctors prescribe them, they can write scripts for GHB now so mushrooms must not solve the problem.  The drugs even out levels in your brain that are not even to begin with.

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Zaphod on August 02, 2008, 08:57:05 PM


James Phoenix?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 08:57:16 PM
dizzle you remind me of Tom Cruise going on the today show with Matt Laurer saying all depressed ppl need to do is take their vitamins and be scientoligsts or something crazy he said, later that year he had depression and apologized.


nah man. there are chemical imbalances in the brain that cause depression.  those drugs your taking cure that imbalance. but its completely temporary and keeps you dependant on the drugs, and doesnt let you cure it on your own.  
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Camel Jockey on August 02, 2008, 08:57:19 PM
I love myself too much
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 08:57:37 PM
it's all based on Serotonin levels in your brain, once those levels are brought back to normal you'll feel better.

good post
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 08:58:23 PM
If they work so well, why don't doctors prescribe them, they can write scripts for GHB now so mushrooms must not solve the problem.  The drugs even out levels in your brain that are not even to begin with.


doctors have been prescribing them for thousands of years. psychologist still prescribe them to people today.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: QuakerOats on August 02, 2008, 08:58:34 PM
good post
that's why the actual Class name of those drugs are called Serotonin Re Uptake Inhibitors.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 08:58:53 PM
nah man. there are chemical imbalances in the brain that cause depression.  those drugs your taking cure that imbalance. but its completely temporary and keeps you dependant on the drugs, and doesnt let you cure it on your own. 

How would you suggest curing it on your own, the medical community thinks the drugs are the best way.  It is pretty cheap each month too.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 08:59:46 PM
doctors have been prescribing them for thousands of years. psychologist still prescribe them to people today.

When in the US?  I never heard of it.  What is the name of the drug or whatever they brand it as?

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 09:01:18 PM
How would you suggest curing it on your own, the medical community thinks the drugs are the best way.  It is pretty cheap each month too.

jt







Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: elite_lifter on August 02, 2008, 09:01:59 PM
the psych drugs are garbage most people feel worse on them after initially feeling better on them, ALL GARBAGE
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 09:03:40 PM
the psych drugs are garbage most people feel worse on them after initially feeling better on them, ALL GARBAGE

have you taken them, lexapro is the newest one and most people feel great on them long term.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: flagadajones on August 02, 2008, 09:04:31 PM
i only think about killing other people.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: QuakerOats on August 02, 2008, 09:05:39 PM
have you taken them, lexapro is the newest one and most people feel great on them long term.
don't listen to him, the drugs are a miracle for hundreds of thousands of people, things will be looking up in no time, depression is nothing to fool around with.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: elite_lifter on August 02, 2008, 09:06:20 PM
have you taken them, lexapro is the newest one and most people feel great on them long term.
no, but iv'e seen the ill effects people have on that garbage
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: flagadajones on August 02, 2008, 09:08:23 PM
the problem with these drugs is that once you stop em, you come back to your natural psychological status.

so you d better deal with it  by yourself and without the help of "drugs".
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Ex Coelis on August 02, 2008, 09:08:31 PM
don't listen to him, the drugs are a miracle for hundreds of thousands of people, things will be looking up in no time, depression is nothing to fool around with.

quoted for truth

being tough and having a strong will are great, but depression can happen to anyone
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: bigdumbbell on August 02, 2008, 09:08:49 PM
you modern people think pills are the answer
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 09:09:22 PM
you modern people think pills are the answer
  exactly

its not pills that are magic

its mushrooms that are magic !
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: elite_lifter on August 02, 2008, 09:10:05 PM
quoted for truth

being tough and having a strong mind are great, but depression can happen to those with weak minds who wallow in their misery
Fixed for truth
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 09:10:30 PM
don't listen to him, the drugs are a miracle for hundreds of thousands of people, things will be looking up in no time, depression is nothing to fool around with.


Gayer than Dave being a depressed trailer thrash.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: chaos on August 02, 2008, 09:11:35 PM
  exactly

its not pills that are magic

its mushrooms that are magic !
Says the 19 year old cokehead, steroid addict. ::)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: elite_lifter on August 02, 2008, 09:13:23 PM
Says the 19 year old cokehead, steroid addict. ::)
Candid talks about the coke and shrooms so much it won't be long before he's back on the train
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 09:13:31 PM
Says the 19 year old cokehead, steroid addict. ::)
says the guy who has to make things up when he wants to insult people
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: chaos on August 02, 2008, 09:15:20 PM
says the guy who has to make things up when he wants to insult people
You've openly admitted to both of those things. ???


Oh, I get it, mommy is checking your internet logs again? ;)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 09:16:19 PM
You've openly admitted to both of those things. ???


Oh, I get it, mommy is checking your internet logs again? ;)
::)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 09:16:33 PM
check your pms dude

this can be for anyone.

ever think you just suck and you are depressed about it. you should be depressed about it. It means you have to change. Doctors are willing to prescribe anything.

what if you were in europe 150 years ago? they didn't have anything for anti depressants. either a shot to back of the head or you got on with life and you did the things necessary to improve yourself.

This mumbo jumbo bullshit people cry about is all for pharmaceutical companies and psychiatrists profit off of.

Some of you will say life is too hard, my life sucks etc. When you look at your life, life is easy. I don't know exactly what your situation is JT, maybe you haven't accomplished anything yet, I'm not sure. I'm certain if you did something for yourself and continued working at your life daily. Suicide would not be an issue.

Do you bodybuild? If you do you know it doesn't take one workout to look like Arnold

Life takes work simple as that. Whatever your mindset is you have to work within that. No matter if you are a pessimist or an optimist.

 
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: elite_lifter on August 02, 2008, 09:17:07 PM
You've openly admitted to both of those things. ???


Oh, I get it, mommy is checking your internet logs again? ;)
DEA, he's getting paranoid
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: JohnnyVegas on August 02, 2008, 09:17:42 PM
don't listen to him, the drugs are a miracle for hundreds of thousands of people, things will be looking up in no time, depression is nothing to fool around with.

If I was as fat, obese and abused by DA as this guy I would be dead already:

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 09:18:08 PM
Claiming that the cause of depression is only due to "chemical imbalances in your brain you have no control over" not the whole truth. The brain changes as a result of what you do and what you think (brain plasticity), and with that change follows a physical change that can manifest itself as a change in neurotransmittor configuration, and thus cause depression. When your "psychological hardware" has become strongly enough changed, your brain will be "wired" for a tendency towards depressive thoughts, this has now become your "style", and it's hard to snap out of it yourself because you have to forcefully think in other ways than your brain now is telling you to (try thinking positive thoughts while being pissed off).

This is not the whole explanation of depression of course. Some people are born with a genetic makeup that leads to depression regardless of thinking style and so on.

But the mentioned scenario still holds true. People that go for a long time with a very negative/unfortunate style of thinking can basically rewire their brain so that the new "normal" for their brain becomes "depressive". The cause of the thoughts can be called "chemical imbalance" measured against a normal configuration, but the cause of the "imbalance" itself is the thinking style. THis is part of the reason for why many people that got a depression felt like they went into a "bad circle" they could not snap out of.

There is probably also a threshold point for depression. When passing this threshold point, snapping out of depression without drugs = extremely hard because the brains biology = now so primed for depression that forcing yourself to think positive = almost impossible.

And in all seriousness, if your brain is first wired for depression, regardless of the cause, it's probably extremely hard to just "think yourself out of it" for most people. Fixing the biology issue by taking a drug will improve their quality of life as well as easing the road to recovery.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on August 02, 2008, 09:19:38 PM
the problem with these drugs is that once you stop em, you come back to your natural psychological status.

so you d better deal with it  by yourself and without the help of "drugs".

Not necessarily. How exactly many of these drugs really work isn't known. They can alter the neural network anatomy in the brain. We also know depression itself can change the brain anatomically - you can see certain areas shrink etc. By pulling you out of depression and changing your thinking the drugs can alter your brain structures. Actually there's no proof depressed people lack serotonin or what have you (no one gets tested for chemical imbalances when they are prescribed the drugs). What is known that boosting these chemicals helps the depressed.

The drugs are really effective in serious cases. Works faster than any behavioral therapy, and getting help real fast is sometimes important. Combining therapy with drugs is probably the best approach.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: chaos on August 02, 2008, 09:19:50 PM
DEA, he's getting paranoid
Must be the coke acting up.......although I'm sure with the 100% pure coke he is getting, he wouldn't have these kinds of sides. ::)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Ex Coelis on August 02, 2008, 09:23:09 PM
a sense of belonging is critical to being happy - join a team

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: warrior_code on August 02, 2008, 09:23:32 PM
I have never thought about it.  Whenever I have one thought of feeling sorry for myself, all I have to do is read about current events going on in developing nations (war, famine, genocide) to realize how good I have it here.   All of us born in first world nations have already won the fucking lottery.  Shame most will never know that.   
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 09:23:49 PM
check your pms dude

this can be for anyone.

ever think you just suck and you are depressed about it. you should be depressed about it. It means you have to change. Doctors are willing to prescribe anything.

what if you were in europe 150 years ago? they didn't have anything for anti depressants. either a shot to back of the head or you got on with life and you did the things necessary to improve yourself.

This mumbo jumbo bullshit people cry about is all for pharmaceutical companies and psychiatrists profit off of.

Some of you will say life is too hard, my life sucks etc. When you look at your life, life is easy. I don't know exactly what your situation is JT, maybe you haven't accomplished anything yet, I'm not sure. I'm certain if you did something for yourself and continued working at your life daily. Suicide would not be an issue.

Do you bodybuild? If you do you know it doesn't take one workout to look like Arnold

Life takes work simple as that. Whatever your mindset is you have to work within that. No matter if you are a pessimist or an optimist.

 

Whoops I missed it I was playing video games, I'm gonna go check it now, good post.

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 09:24:09 PM
All of us born in first world nations have already won the fucking lottery.  Shame most will never know that.   

this is so true
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 09:24:19 PM
Not necessarily. How exactly many of these drugs really work isn't known. They can alter the neural network anatomy in the brain. We also know depression itself can change the brain anatomically - you can see certain areas shrink etc. By pulling you out of depression and changing your thinking the drugs can alter your brain structures.

The drugs are really effective in serious cases. Works faster than any behavioral therapy, and getting help real fast is sometimes important. Combining therapy with drugs is probably the best approach.


Great post.

A sidenote: The brain structures are changing every day automatically, and more when you do and learn new things. The smart person makes a habit of controlling his/hers thinking, thereby changing their brain into producing this type of thinking automatically over time.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on August 02, 2008, 09:25:36 PM

Great post.

A sidenote: The brain structures are changing every day. The smart person makes a habit of controlling his/hers thinking, thereby changing their brain into producing this type of thinking automatically over time.

I saw you said pretty much the same thing  :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 09:25:57 PM
Claiming that the cause of depression is only due to "chemical imbalances in your brain you have no control over" not the whole truth. The brain changes as a result of what you do and what you think (brain plasticity), and with that change follows a physical change that can manifest itself as a change in neurotransmittor configuration, and thus cause depression. When your "psychological hardware" has become strongly enough changed, your brain will be "wired" for a tendency towards depressive thoughts, this has now become your "style", and it's hard to snap out of it yourself because you have to forcefully think in other ways than your brain now is telling you to (try thinking positive thoughts while being pissed off).

This is not the whole explanation of depression of course. Some people are born with a genetic makeup that leads to depression regardless of thinking style and so on.

But the mentioned scenario still holds true. People that go for a long time with a very negative/unfortunate style of thinking can basically rewire their brain so that the new "normal" for their brain becomes "depressive". The cause of the thoughts can be called "chemical imbalance" measured against a normal configuration, but the cause of the "imbalance" itself is the thinking style. THis is part of the reason for why many people that got a depression felt like they went into a "bad circle" they could not snap out of.

There is probably also a threshold point for depression. When passing this threshold point, snapping out of depression without drugs = extremely hard because the brains biology = now so primed for depression that forcing yourself to think positive = almost impossible.

And in all seriousness, if your brain is first wired for depression, regardless of the cause, it's probably extremely hard to just "think yourself out of it" for most people. Fixing the biology issue by taking a drug will improve their quality of life as well as easing the road to recovery.


Very good post debussey, yes part of psychologist tell you to do is think a different way, write down your thoughts and stuff, I forget what it is but they tell you how to change the way you think, but it is hard.  Its negative postivite cognitive thinking, thats what it is. 

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 09:27:45 PM
 awesome posts from van and debussey !

man, ive got a good eye for people. thats all i gotta say.  :D


Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 09:28:39 PM
this is so true

Yes but living a good life, ie money, girls whatever doesn't lead to happiness as many people find out, they are many very happy poor ass people who live in shitholes.

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 09:34:27 PM
I saw you said pretty much the same thing  :D


Haha, yes :D

Very good post debussey, yes part of psychologist tell you to do is think a different way, write down your thoughts and stuff, I forget what it is but they tell you how to change the way you think, but it is hard.

jt

Good stuff. Writing a diary, and in other ways analyzing and guiding your thinking = very clever for anybody. And yes, changing the way you think = very hard, but worth it. What you habitually do gets ingrained in you with enough repetition, just like driving a car. Eventually you don't have to think at all when performing the task, and you have to forcefully concentrate and struggle to change the way you do the task when you first "get it". That's why many athletes have issues "unlearning" mistakes they have "trained in".
The same applies for your thinking. If you've been thinking "enough repetitions" of a certain thought or set of thoughts, changing it is very hard. That's why its so damn important to take what your psychologist tells you to do seriously, because if you want to "rewire" your way of thinking which can lead to easing and likely eventually destroying your depression, you've gotta take the job seriously and focus a lot on it, because combatting a learned behaviour by unlearning it and learning a new one to replace it needs a lot of repetition. The good news is that once you've installed new ways of thinking and acting, those will eventually become so strongly ingrained in you that being depressed will seem like a long gone thing.

But just like anything in life, there is no free lunch, expect to spend years practicing what your psychologist teaches you every day to become real good at it, but it will probably pay off for you big time. That does not mean that it will take you years to snap out of the depression, but it will take years to become really good at it and destroy every part of your "old self" (if you truly want to) :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: chaos on August 02, 2008, 09:35:40 PM

Haha, yes :D

Good stuff. Writing a diary, and in other ways analyzing and guiding your thinking = very clever for anybody. And yes, changing the way you think = very hard, but worth it. What you habitually do gets ingrained in you with enough repetition, just like driving a car. Eventually you don't have to think at all when performing the task, and you have to forcefully concentrate and struggle to change the way you do the task when you first "get it". That's why many athletes have issues "unlearning" mistakes they have "trained in".
The same applies for your thinking. If you've been thinking "enough repetitions" of a certain thought or set of thoughts, changing it is very hard. That's why its so damn important to take what your psychologist tells you to do seriously, because if you want to "rewire" your way of thinking which can lead to easing and likely eventually destroying your depression, you've gotta take the job seriously and focus a lot on it, because combatting a learned behaviour by unlearning it and learning a new one to replace it needs a lot of repetition. The good news is that once you've installed new ways of thinking and acting, those will eventually become so strongly ingrained in you that being depressed will seem like a long gone thing.

But just like anything in life, there is no free lunch, expect to spend years practicing what your psychologist teaches you every day to become real good at it, but it will probably pay off for you big time :D
I think debussey = lying about its IQ=53.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: haider on August 02, 2008, 09:36:15 PM
good post debussey
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 09:37:20 PM

Haha, yes :D

Good stuff. Writing a diary, and in other ways analyzing and guiding your thinking = very clever for anybody. And yes, changing the way you think = very hard, but worth it. What you habitually do gets ingrained in you with enough repetition, just like driving a car. Eventually you don't have to think at all when performing the task, and you have to forcefully concentrate and struggle to change the way you do the task when you first "get it". That's why many athletes have issues "unlearning" mistakes they have "trained in".
The same applies for your thinking. If you've been thinking "enough repetitions" of a certain thought or set of thoughts, changing it is very hard. That's why its so damn important to take what your psychologist tells you to do seriously, because if you want to "rewire" your way of thinking which can lead to easing and likely eventually destroying your depression, you've gotta take the job seriously and focus a lot on it, because combatting a learned behaviour by unlearning it and learning a new one to replace it needs a lot of repetition. The good news is that once you've installed new ways of thinking and acting, those will eventually become so strongly ingrained in you that being depressed will seem like a long gone thing.

But just like anything in life, there is no free lunch, expect to spend years practicing what your psychologist teaches you every day to become real good at it, but it will probably pay off for you big time. That does not mean that it will take you years to snap out of the depression, but it will take years to become really good at it and destroy every part of your "old self" (if you truly want to) :D

Very good post, true too.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: haider on August 02, 2008, 09:37:34 PM
I think debussey = lying about its IQ=53.
35 is more like it.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 09:38:10 PM
Very good post, true too.

jt

Hope everything works out for you man, take care :D

35 is more like it.

There you go :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 09:39:47 PM
Hope everything works out for you man, take care :D

There you go :D

Thanks, it has been and is working great, the neg pos cognative thinking.  Also they taught me if I was in a situation that sucked, do something about it now and get out of it.  Wether it's if your at the bar with buddies and it sucks or somewhere else, don't stay in shitty situations, do something and get out of them, that really worked well for me too.  The drugs helped as well.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Dreadlord on August 02, 2008, 09:41:05 PM
Come out of the closet.  End of suicidal problem.  :D

Goddamn - owned by bayGBM.
Now that is a post long overdue
 keeping it real
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 09:41:30 PM
I have never thought about it.  Whenever I have one thought of feeling sorry for myself, all I have to do is read about current events going on in developing nations (war, famine, genocide) to realize how good I have it here.   All of us born in first world nations have already won the fucking lottery.  Shame most will never know that.   

This really has nothing to do with depression.  More feeling sorry for yourself, different things.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: flagadajones on August 02, 2008, 09:42:40 PM
for most of you young nolifes and losers, one of the first thing to do is to stop living in fantasyland on the internet and especially on this messageboard.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 02, 2008, 09:43:56 PM
I feel miserable most of the time. if i get drunk i inevitably crash and feel opposite of what i felt drunk.   Anything that makes me feel good, soon it's over and I crash from it. That's just the way it is.  I never thought of the easy way out, not sure why.  Medication never helped me.   I just try to act positive and happy and I can fool others, and sometimes even myself.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 09:45:18 PM
I feel miserable most of the time. if i get drunk i inevitably crash and feel opposite of what i felt drunk.   Anything that makes me feel good, soon it's over and I crash from it. That's just the way it is.  I never thought of the easy way out, not sure why.  Medication never helped me.   I just try to act positive and happy and I can fool others, and sometimes even myself.

Maybe the reason is your short height?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: haider on August 02, 2008, 09:45:26 PM
I feel miserable most of the time. if i get drunk i inevitably crash and feel opposite of what i felt drunk.   Anything that makes me feel good, soon it's over and I crash from it. That's just the way it is.  I never thought of the easy way out, not sure why.  Medication never helped me.   I just try to act positive and happy and I can fool others, and sometimes even myself.
have u seeked therapy?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 09:45:31 PM
I feel miserable most of the time. if i get drunk i inevitably crash and feel opposite of what i felt drunk.   Anything that makes me feel good, soon it's over and I crash from it. That's just the way it is.  I never thought of the easy way out, not sure why.  Medication never helped me.   I just try to act positive and happy and I can fool others, and sometimes even myself.

A lot of people feel this way, I know the 10mg of lexapro wasn't enough for me and they bumped me up to 20mg, what kind of medication did you try before?  They have a lot of different drugs that can work for different people, it is worth trying it can change you life and mindset. 

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 02, 2008, 09:48:58 PM
A lot of people feel this way, I know the 10mg of lexapro wasn't enough for me and they bumped me up to 20mg, what kind of medication did you try before?  They have a lot of different drugs that can work for different people, it is worth trying it can change you life and mindset. 



effexor, lexapro, xoloft, xanax; they all just killed my ability to ejaculate, except for Xanax which had no affect on me.  I don't know that I want to try anything else.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: haider on August 02, 2008, 09:50:03 PM
effexor, lexapro, xoloft, xanax; they all just killed my ability to ejaculate, except for Xanax which had no affect on me.  I don't know that I want to try anything else.
have u ?!  >:(
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 02, 2008, 09:53:02 PM
I went to a psychiatrist once and she prescribed me the xanax; asked me questions about my parents and said that parents are supposed to teach kids how to be happy, whatever that means.  Then she told me to come back the next week.  I didn't because the time conflicted with my work schedule.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: elite_lifter on August 02, 2008, 09:53:48 PM
I went to a psychiatrist once and she prescribed me the xanax; asked me questions about my parents and said that parents are supposed to teach kids how to be happy, whatever that means.  Then she told me to come back the next week.  I didn't because the time conflicted with my work schedule.
xanax, now there is a good drug for a kid ::)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 02, 2008, 09:54:36 PM
xanax, now there is a good drug for a kid ::)

naw this was this year at 24.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 09:55:44 PM
Poor Bastiano :'(


Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: chaos on August 02, 2008, 09:55:47 PM
I went to a psychiatrist once and she prescribed me the xanax; asked me questions about my parents and said that parents are supposed to teach kids how to be happy, whatever that means.  Then she told me to come back the next week.  I didn't because the time conflicted with my work schedule.
It's just a huge nose bro, no reason to get suicidal, if it bothers you that much, get plastic surgery.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: haider on August 02, 2008, 09:57:09 PM
I went to a psychiatrist once and she prescribed me the xanax; asked me questions about my parents and said that parents are supposed to teach kids how to be happy, whatever that means.  Then she told me to come back the next week.  I didn't because the time conflicted with my work schedule.
so the only option u've really explored is drugs,  because of your dumbass psychiatrist.. unbelievably stupid bitch. Like debussey mentioned there's ways to overcome that with an effort of will. Get some help bro, or get a good book. you shouldn't live in constant misery.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: elite_lifter on August 02, 2008, 09:57:30 PM
naw this was this year at 24.
xanax is a shitty physically addictive drug, GARBAGE
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 09:58:47 PM
are more people depressed about being depressed rather than knowing what has to change?

 :-\
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 09:59:17 PM
you can just tell yourself how to feel.

as your walking around repeat inside your head. "i am happy. i love myself completely. its a great day. the world is mine for the taking. i love myself completely. i am happy. " ect ect
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 02, 2008, 09:59:56 PM
i know how to overcome it; cocaine, painkillers, alcohol.  The problem is that using these too much is unhealthy.

xanax had no affect on me.  I took tried a high dose and felt do different.  I don't know why.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 10:00:14 PM
you can just tell yourself how to feel.

as your walking around repeat inside your head. "i am happy. i love myself completely. its a great day. the world is mine for the taking. i love myself completely. i am happy. " ect ect

hahah
thats brainwashing man
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 02, 2008, 10:00:47 PM
you can just tell yourself how to feel.

as your walking around repeat inside your head. "i am happy. i love myself completely. its a great day. the world is mine for the taking. i love myself completely. i am happy. " ect ect

yes I do that.  that sometimes can help. 
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 10:01:14 PM
Ultimately there has to be a purpose to life to want to live it. Otherwise you're a robot.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: haider on August 02, 2008, 10:01:31 PM
i know how to overcome it; cocaine, painkillers, alcohol.  The problem is that using these too much is unhealthy.

xanax had no affect on me.  I took tried a high dose and felt do different.  I don't know why.
wrong wrong wrong, give psychotherapy a try. With those types of drugs u're jsut covering up pain temporarily, u should be happy sober  :-\
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 10:02:13 PM
i know how to overcome it; cocaine, painkillers, alcohol.  The problem is that using these too much is unhealthy.

xanax had no affect on me.  I took tried a high dose and felt do different.  I don't know why.
try mushrooms. honestly.  the psychological  effects dont just last 4-5 hours like the visual ones do. they stay with you for a very long time. 
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: elite_lifter on August 02, 2008, 10:02:49 PM
wrong wrong wrong, give psychotherapy a try. With those types of drugs u're jsut covering up pain temporarily, u should be happy sober  :-\
in the end rec drugs are all depressants
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Eisenherz on August 02, 2008, 10:03:01 PM
Go to a Homeopathic doctor to give you some homeopathic medicine for depression-it realy does work and it fixes the root of the problem so it wont come back and no side effects!
Seriously try it man.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 10:04:50 PM
try mushrooms. honestly.

LOL get off the drugs, develop a good work out plan, good nutrition and some other extra activities in your life and you should be on your way.

Money isn't the answer, women aren't the answer.

Develop some type of purpose that is worthwhile. Otherwise you're just like everyone else. Fucked  :-*
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: haider on August 02, 2008, 10:04:51 PM
Ultimately there has to be a purpose to life to want to live it. Otherwise you're a robot.
eh, externalised purpose like personal ambition may make your life more exciting but living life itself is an end, IMO. Is there really any objective purpose for life, except for it to exist?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 10:05:51 PM
LOL get off the drugs,
mushrroms can help with that  ;)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 02, 2008, 10:06:48 PM
LOL get off the drugs, develop a good work out plan, good nutrition and some other extra activities in your life and you should be on your way.

Money isn't the answer, women aren't the answer.

Develop some type of purpose that is worthwhile. Otherwise you're just like everyone else. Fucked  :-*

what's your purpose?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 10:10:24 PM
eh, externalised purpose like personal ambition may make your life more exciting but living life itself is an end, .

Solution (written a few days ago as well): Find activities you REALLY like to do, activities that you are talented in. Then make a big plan for your life, where you base your career on these areas.

Debussey once heard about a study of millionaires, and they found out that 99% of the millionaires did not start working in their areas they got rich within due to the goal of "getting rich", but simply because they loved what they did.

The cool thing here is that you can look forward to goals you will attain 5, 10, 20, 30+ years down the line, while knowing that every day you work will most likely contain passion and improvement in your performance. At the same time, you get the emotional drive to really push yourself outside your comfort zone by taking on new challenges and working harder and smarter. Thus, you get personal growth included in the deal, and personal growth (like facing fears, and improving your work ethic, social skills ++ ) is a good way to attain more happiness and self confidence for many people.

Addition: This way of thinking is not only for career related stuff, it can be applied to other areas as well, like your social life.

This recepie won't work for everybody, but it works for Debussey :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 02, 2008, 10:12:17 PM
Solution (written a few days ago as well): Find activities you REALLY like to do, activities that you are talented in. Then make a big plan for your life, where you base your career on these areas.

Debussey once heard about a study of millionaires, and they found out that 99% of the millionaires did not start working in their areas they got rich within due to the goal of "getting rich", but simply because they loved what they did.

The cool thing here is that you can look forward to goals you will attain 5, 10, 20, 30+ years down the line, while knowing that every day you work will most likely contain passion and improvement in your performance. At the same time, you get the emotional drive to really push yourself outside your comfort zone by taking on new challenges and working harder and smarter. Thus, you get personal growth included in the deal, and personal growth (like facing fears, and improving your work ethic, social skills ++ ) is a good way to attain more happiness and self confidence for many people.

This recepie won't work for everybody, but it works for Debussey :D

yea but you condone getting hookers and not going after regular girls.  How good can your social skills be?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 10:13:48 PM
yea but you condone getting hookers and not going after regular girls.  How good can your social skills be?

Debussey = retarded :D

But in all seriousness, that thread was not meant to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 10:14:24 PM
eh, externalised purpose like personal ambition may make your life more exciting but living life itself is an end, IMO. Is there really any objective purpose for life, except for it to exist?

depends on how you look at it.
Are we animals? or are we human?
If we look at ourselves as animals then that answers your question. Humans have a greater purpose than to only exist.  We are all connected in some way.

Are you living to eat? or eating to live?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: calmus on August 02, 2008, 10:15:34 PM
yea but you condone getting hookers and not going after regular girls.  How good can your social skills be?

Once you actually have a relationship with a regular girl, you'll see the value of hookers. 
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: haider on August 02, 2008, 10:16:43 PM
Solution (written a few days ago as well): Find activities you REALLY like to do, activities that you are talented in. Then make a big plan for your life, where you base your career on these areas.

Debussey once heard about a study of millionaires, and they found out that 99% of the millionaires did not start working in their areas they got rich within due to the goal of "getting rich", but simply because they loved what they did.

The cool thing here is that you can look forward to goals you will attain 5, 10, 20, 30+ years down the line, while knowing that every day you work will most likely contain passion and improvement in your performance. At the same time, you get the emotional drive to really push yourself outside your comfort zone by taking on new challenges and working harder and smarter. Thus, you get personal growth included in the deal, and personal growth (like facing fears, and improving your work ethic, social skills ++ ) is a good way to attain more happiness and self confidence for many people.
Addition: This way of thinking is not only for career related stuff, it can be applied to other areas as well, like your social life.

This recepie won't work for everybody, but it works for Debussey :D
thanks for sharing, the part in bold makes a lot of sense. IMO that is key.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 10:17:21 PM
Bast how long did you try the drugs for, most take at least 2 weeks to be effective at all and like a month or so till they are fully in your system.

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Hereford on August 02, 2008, 10:17:58 PM

Develop some type of purpose that is worthwhile. Otherwise you're just like everyone else.  :-*

Agreed.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 10:18:50 PM
Once you actually have a relationship with a regular girl, you'll see the value of hookers. 

I mean relationships really arn't the way to happiness, being with a hot girl and having great sex will not make you happy if you are not happy to begin with, you need to be happy by yourself, if being with a girl makes you happy that is only temporary.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 02, 2008, 10:19:10 PM
Bast how long did you try the drugs for, most take at least 2 weeks to be effective at all and like a month or so till they are fully in your system.



5-6 weeks.  they effectively made my cock not work.  actually i did think about killing myself during those periods since I my cock felt like exploding.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Hereford on August 02, 2008, 10:20:35 PM
I mean relationships really arn't the way to happiness, being with a hot girl and having great sex will not make you happy if you are not happy to begin with, you need to be happy by yourself, if being with a girl makes you happy that is only temporary.

jt

What if one of the things that you need for happiness is a stable relationship?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 10:25:36 PM
Then you are depressed in my opinion, I can't really figure out why you would need a stable relationship to be happy, if you arn't happy before the relationship, during the relationship sometime the depression will catch up to you again.  I don't really know if that is what you were asking?

You should be able to be happy by yourself at first then have a relationship not the other way around, although that is my opinion only. 

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 02, 2008, 10:28:56 PM
what is there to be happy about?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: haider on August 02, 2008, 10:29:02 PM
depends on how you look at it.
Are we animals? or are we human?
If we look at ourselves as animals then that answers your question. Humans have a greater purpose than to only exist.  We are all connected in some way.

Are you living to eat? or eating to live?
this is getting too philosophical, i love such discussions but I don't think they are neessarily fruitful. IMO the purpose of life has to be realised at some level, rather than philosophised... "He who tastes, knows."
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Hereford on August 02, 2008, 10:30:19 PM
Then you are depressed, I can't really figure out why you would need a stable relationship to be happy, if you arn't happy before the relationship, during the relationship sometime the depression will catch up to you again.  I don't really know if that is what you were asking?

jt

How is needing a relationship to be happy any different from needing whatever else to be happy.

Some guys need to be successful, some need to work out, some need other things.

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 10:30:23 PM
this is getting too philosophical, i love such discussions but I don't think they are neessarily fruitful. IMO the purpose of life has to be realised at some level, rather than philosophised... he who tastes, knows.


Bingo! Could not agree more. Spermer knows his stuff 8)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 10:30:27 PM
what is there to be happy about?

Not really looking at that way, cause you can't be happy all the time, maybe purpose in life, working towards an end goal or a purpose like God.  Like MB said, purpose in life and goals. 

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 10:31:36 PM
How is needing a relationship to be happy any different from needing whatever else to be happy.

Some guys need to be successful, some need to work out, some need other things.



Heref thats just my opinion, I really can't answer your question I don't know the answer.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 10:32:09 PM
if you dont think a woman can make you happy you have never spent the night with a very attractive women before
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 10:32:52 PM
what is there to be happy about?

A lot of things, even adversity and struggle :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: haider on August 02, 2008, 10:33:09 PM

Bingo! Could not agree more. Spermer knows his stuff 8)
glad u agree  :)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 02, 2008, 10:33:59 PM
i'm happy about the thought of me still posting on getbig in 20 years at age 44.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Hereford on August 02, 2008, 10:34:27 PM
if you dont think a woman can make you happy you have never spent the night with a very attractive women before

Hahahahaha.

So True.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 02, 2008, 10:35:45 PM
glad u agree  :)


You are a pretty clever guy, you know that Haider? :D :) ;)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 02, 2008, 10:39:21 PM
this is getting too philosophical, i love such discussions but I don't think they are neessarily fruitful. IMO the purpose of life has to be realised at some level, rather than philosophised... "He who tastes, knows."

hehe

I agree with you. :)


Life has a purpose but if you are going through without any, then there is no point.

If you have no problems you are dead. Problems are there to help you grow. Otherwise whats the point?

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: chaos on August 02, 2008, 10:45:28 PM
Lot's of whiny little kunts in this thread.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: gordiano on August 02, 2008, 10:46:16 PM
this should make any of us here be extremely happy


YUMMY!
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 10:46:53 PM
Lot's of whiny little kunts in this thread.
yup. and also a couple guys who are too insecure to admit they have emotion.  ;)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: chaos on August 02, 2008, 10:47:32 PM
yup. and also a couple guys who are too insecure to admit they have emotion.  ;)
"emotions" are for the weak. :-*
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 02, 2008, 10:48:08 PM
YUMMY!
something to keep you occupied in between sets ...  :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: haider on August 02, 2008, 10:48:21 PM

You are a pretty clever guy, you know that Haider? :D :) ;)
haha, u're funny  :D

hehe

I agree with you. :)


Life has a purpose but if you are going through without any, then there is no point.

If you have no problems you are dead. Problems are there to help you grow. Otherwise whats the point?


Liek debussey said, problems = part of life. Embrace them, and work on it.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: gordiano on August 02, 2008, 11:17:16 PM
"How often do you think about killing yourself?"

If I were an IFBB Pro.....every season.... :-\
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 11:17:23 PM
if you dont think a woman can make you happy you have never spent the night with a very attractive women before

thats temporary happiness high dizzle, has something to do with endorphins in brain or something
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 11:20:10 PM
yup. and also a couple guys who are too insecure to admit they have emotion.  ;)

good post
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: tommywishbone on August 02, 2008, 11:24:07 PM

Were you depressed because you were fat?

 ;D ;D ;D

...and you idiots quit saying "good post."  >:(
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: benz on August 02, 2008, 11:30:02 PM
i wasnt kidding or joking around.

i know alot about depression my man.

mushrooms have been being used for this for thousands of years.


modern medicine is just that, modern.




Did i depress you when you saw me owning your family?  ;D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 11:34:50 PM
;D ;D ;D

...and you idiots quit saying "good post."  >:(

lol
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 11:44:31 PM
really some people had to tried to kill themselves here besides me or at least thought about it?? ::)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: benz on August 02, 2008, 11:50:18 PM
really some people had to tried to kill themselves here besides me or at least thought about it?? ::)

I wore this tshirt back in my army days with the legend "Comando's never die, they just reunite in hell"  8)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: no one on August 02, 2008, 11:51:43 PM
LOL, resident expert on everything under the sun. ;D

Hey I get this "squeaky" sounding noise on my motorcycle after about 5-6 miles, running a 113" motor, 3" open belt, and six speed tranny.......know what it is?

i have the same problem when it's raining and my belt needs tightening.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 02, 2008, 11:53:01 PM
I wore this tshirt back in my army days with the legend "Comando's never die, they just reunite in hell"  8)

what does that mean?  Sounds like you were pretty hardcore benz!
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: benz on August 02, 2008, 11:56:04 PM
what does that mean?  Sounds like you were pretty hardcore benz!

No doubt many have thought about suicide, it just happen when things dont work like you want, i wasnt hardcore, i just believed in something, which is already over, happened with old russia, with berlin's wall, etc.

But the flame stay...
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: gordiano on August 02, 2008, 11:56:23 PM
I wore this tshirt back in my army days with the legend "Comando's never die, they just reunite in hell"  8)

In that case you're worthy of wearing this gem:

(http://www.dohertysgym.com/sunshop/images/products/thumb_train-or-die.jpg)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: benz on August 02, 2008, 11:59:27 PM
In that case you're worthy of wearing this gem:

(http://www.dohertysgym.com/sunshop/images/products/thumb_train-or-die.jpg)

those look good :) but never as good as the one below  ;)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: HTexan on August 03, 2008, 12:00:26 AM
lexapro is the shit. How many mgs are you taking?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on August 03, 2008, 12:01:57 AM
I'm not reading 7 pages, did Jtsunami die?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: benz on August 03, 2008, 12:03:07 AM
I'm not reading 7 pages, did Jtsunami die?


he's gonna commit suicide if we reach 10 pages
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 03, 2008, 12:04:51 AM
those look good :) but never as good as the one below  ;)

cool shit benz, 

texan I am taking 20mg seems to be a good dose.

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 03, 2008, 12:07:18 AM
Bast brother, that sucks that the anti depressants didn't work.  Is their any kind of neg positive thinking the psych told you to do, like write down your thoughts, negative and positive and see how much of them are false negative thoughts?  I wouldn't give up, maybe goto a different psych, and I am sorry to hear lexapro had bad sides for you.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: HTexan on August 03, 2008, 12:20:05 AM
cool shit benz, 

texan I am taking 20mg seems to be a good dose.


That is a low dose. How long have been off?
 
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 03, 2008, 12:26:14 AM
Get some Pussy! cures all problems.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 03, 2008, 12:28:59 AM
I often what i'll do it I'm 90 years, old ravaged with cancer of the ass... everyone I love has passed on around me, and I"m alone in the world.  Would I wander down on to the beach and just start eating painkillers with a bottle of wine as the sunset and check out peacefully like that?

If you have to go, I don't know what beats that.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 03, 2008, 12:29:59 AM
God damn, this forum is laced with losers
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on August 03, 2008, 12:35:51 AM
he's gonna commit suicide if we reach 10 pages


BUMP
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: chris2489 on August 03, 2008, 12:39:03 AM
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Stark on August 03, 2008, 01:45:51 AM
You guys are brutal man.

WTF.

Why? Just because we tell him how it is? You want soft and cuddly you go to MD or BB.com.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: spinnis on August 03, 2008, 03:36:46 AM
i only think about killing other people.

all the time  :-\
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: webcake on August 03, 2008, 03:39:36 AM
Stop being so sad people, it ain't that bad...
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 03, 2008, 03:41:48 AM
Stop being so sad people, it ain't that bad...
Tell me about it.
Damn, life is what you make it, if your thinking of killing yourself then life really sucks.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: nzmusclemonster on August 03, 2008, 03:43:11 AM
Tell me about it.
Damn, life is what you make it, if your thinking of killing yourself then life really sucks.

If my life was bad id kill someone else, not myself....
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: webcake on August 03, 2008, 03:45:16 AM
If my life was bad id kill someone else, not myself....

If my life was bad, i'd fuck a sheep, kill it and then eat it...

or would that just make me a kiwi?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on August 03, 2008, 03:45:48 AM
lol

lol @ MB lol'ing @ that.  ;D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Moosejay on August 03, 2008, 03:48:38 AM
Its natural to harbor thoughts of suicide IDEATION.

That's just thinking about it.

Suicidal INTENT:

well, you'd have already killed yourself with this.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: nzmusclemonster on August 03, 2008, 03:50:39 AM
If my life was bad, i'd fuck a sheep, kill it and then eat it...

or would that just make me a kiwi?

Fair dinkum... you'd be a true blue kiwi cobber   :-*

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: webcake on August 03, 2008, 03:53:31 AM
Fair dinkum... you'd be a true blue kiwi cobber   :-*

Maybe i would think of killing myself then.

j/k

you kiwi's are alright. Your accent though, far out is it annoying  :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: kyomu on August 03, 2008, 03:53:39 AM
Several years ago due to the phylosophical problem. I tryed to kill myself twice.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on August 03, 2008, 03:54:08 AM
you modern people think pills are the answer

Only modern medicine I touch is NyQuil (rarely)  ;D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: webcake on August 03, 2008, 03:54:37 AM
Several years ago due to the phylosophical problem. I tryed to kill myself twice.

how?

Overdose?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 03, 2008, 03:54:48 AM
When your depressed the best thing to do is drink and fuck.
The best thing ever, have a shot of tequila or whatever and fuck a bitch...if people listened to my idea the suicide rate will drop.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: kyomu on August 03, 2008, 03:55:53 AM
how?

Overdose?
Trying to Cut my list.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: webcake on August 03, 2008, 03:56:56 AM
Trying to Cut my list.


I thought Moose was the only one with a list...

j/k

Glad to hear you are ok now.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: spinnis on August 03, 2008, 03:57:06 AM
Trying to Cut my list.


Trying to overdose the brain by counting how many Lee and Chin is in the Chinese phonebook  ;D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on August 03, 2008, 03:57:09 AM
Trying to Cut my list.


Cutting your list can cause a rather large inconvenience at the grocery store.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: kyomu on August 03, 2008, 03:58:06 AM
Trying to overdose the brain by counting how many Lee and Chin is in the Chinese phonebook  ;D
Actualy you are very young arnt you? 20-25yrs old?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: kyomu on August 03, 2008, 03:59:03 AM
Cutting your list can cause a rather large inconvenience at the grocery store.
Haha. Since you die,whats the mportance? ;D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: webcake on August 03, 2008, 03:59:38 AM
KEN LEE!!
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: spinnis on August 03, 2008, 04:00:35 AM
Actualy you are very young arnt you? 20-25yrs old?


19 =)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: nzmusclemonster on August 03, 2008, 04:03:44 AM
Maybe i would think of killing myself then.

j/k

you kiwi's are alright. Your accent though, far out is it annoying  :D

Accent... what accent  ???  ;D

Interesting list of who off themselves the most by country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Eastern European countries feature a lot at the top. I guess Sevataste mite do us a favor soon and do the toaster in the bath
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: spinnis on August 03, 2008, 04:05:04 AM
I fucked a girl that killed herself a few years later.. serious.


She probably couldn´t find anyone better and just ended it lol ;D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MAXX on August 03, 2008, 04:12:49 AM
no never. have my ups and downs but there is allways things worth living for.

whats better to live or not exist :D

simple really.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 03, 2008, 04:29:55 AM
I fucked a girl that killed herself a few years later.. serious.


She probably couldn´t find anyone better and just ended it lol ;D
Maybe she had Aids
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: spinnis on August 03, 2008, 04:35:41 AM
Maybe she had Aids

Maby? I don´t though lol
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: kyomu on August 03, 2008, 04:41:55 AM
Maby? I don´t though lol
did u chck ur blood?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: spinnis on August 03, 2008, 05:11:35 AM
did u chck ur blood?

I test myself after a fuck someone that I regret, and that happends alot lol.

Not blood test though,
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 03, 2008, 05:22:19 AM
I test myself after a fuck someone that I regret, and that happends alot lol.

Not blood test though,
HAHAHAAHA i know the feeling man, its horrible
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Tapeworm on August 03, 2008, 05:35:52 AM
Lexapro = alien reptilian government mind control from Area 51

I looked into SSRIs for stress, anxiety, and depression, but google searches turn up some pretty spooky sides with these drugs during use and also after stopping.  Also not interested in being a lifetime customer of a pharma company.

I've read that elevated serotonin isn't the direct cause of mood elevation.  It's much more complicated than that.  One effect of raised serotonin levels is that they will also raise adrenaline and cortisol levels which will impact mood and energy levels, but at a price.  Since my adrenal system is overtaxed from stress and training, I decided an SSRI is "contraindicated" for me.  

I was also put off by the fact that I couldn't find a doc who would even acknowledge the existence of "discontinuation syndrome," discuss adrenal implications, or talk about the risk of long term sides, which gave me the impression that most of them are basically just medically certified drug dealers pushing whatever pills the pharma rep who pays for their perks is promoting.    :-\

Last straw against SSRIs - my x has been on them for years and she's still nutty as a fruit cake.  Served as an effective bulking drug tho.  ::)


Killing myself?  You wish, fuckers.  I haven't entertained a suicidal thought since adolescence, over 15 years ago, and even then I never acted on it.  Ummmm... everyone has harmless homocidal fantasies that they'd never really act upon, right?  ;D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: dr.chimps on August 03, 2008, 06:36:14 AM
KEN LEE!!
LOL

/not that obscure!
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: onlyme on August 03, 2008, 07:04:45 AM

19 =)

19 and a fag, you're parents must be proud as hell of you.   ::)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: onlyme on August 03, 2008, 07:09:09 AM
I fucked a girl that killed herself a few years later.. serious.


She probably couldn´t find anyone better and just ended it lol ;D
hhaahahah now you trying to make us believe you have been with a girl.  Dude you failed at killing yourself, isn't that enough to show how much of a 19 year old loser you are.  Your parents must be proud as hell of you.  And fucking a female sheep is not the same as fucking a girl just to let you know. 
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: alejandro_torres on August 03, 2008, 07:17:22 AM
hhaahahah now you trying to make us believe you have been with a girl.  Dude you failed at killing yourself, isn't that enough to show how much of a 19 year old loser you are.  Your parents must be proud as hell of you.  And fucking a female sheep is not the same as fucking a girl just to let you know. 

 :o :o
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: burn2live on August 03, 2008, 07:21:22 AM
I'm 20 now. Been on SSRIs since age 13, they work. I don't get many (if any) side effects, unless I forget to take them for a few days. Without this drug I don't know where I'd be now. Maybe a grave. Don't get me wrong, talking and all that helped a little, but in my case I think the drug was the breakthrough. I had been on shitloads of other (prescribed) stuff when I was 13.

People who say depression is for the weak, talk yourself out of it etc....I almost wish it upon them so they know what it feels like. I say almost, because I'd never wish something like that on someone. It truely is living hell.

Good luck to anyone that suffers from this. Be strong and know that you will be better for enduring it
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 03, 2008, 07:27:52 AM
two cures


Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: alejandro_torres on August 03, 2008, 07:35:28 AM
i chose the first cure... :)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: spinnis on August 03, 2008, 07:52:01 AM
hhaahahah now you trying to make us believe you have been with a girl.  Dude you failed at killing yourself, isn't that enough to show how much of a 19 year old loser you are.  Your parents must be proud as hell of you.  And fucking a female sheep is not the same as fucking a girl just to let you know. 

Killing myself? What on earth are you talking about fatty? :/
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: candidizzle on August 03, 2008, 07:52:10 AM
i chose the first cure... :)
i choose number 2, then 1 hour later i choose number one !!  :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: spinnis on August 03, 2008, 07:52:48 AM
19 and a fag, you're parents must be proud as hell of you.   ::)

Being able to walk..

You miss it?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2008, 08:01:30 AM
Lexapro = alien reptilian government mind control from Area 51

I looked into SSRIs for stress, anxiety, and depression, but google searches turn up some pretty spooky sides with these drugs during use and also after stopping.  Also not interested in being a lifetime customer of a pharma company.

I've read that elevated serotonin isn't the direct cause of mood elevation.  It's much more complicated than that.  One effect of raised serotonin levels is that they will also raise adrenaline and cortisol levels which will impact mood and energy levels, but at a price.  Since my adrenal system is overtaxed from stress and training, I decided an SSRI is "contraindicated" for me.  

I was also put off by the fact that I couldn't find a doc who would even acknowledge the existence of "discontinuation syndrome," discuss adrenal implications, or talk about the risk of long term sides, which gave me the impression that most of them are basically just medically certified drug dealers pushing whatever pills the pharma rep who pays for their perks is promoting.    :-\

Last straw against SSRIs - my x has been on them for years and she's still nutty as a fruit cake.  Served as an effective bulking drug tho.  ::)


Killing myself?  You wish, fuckers.  I haven't entertained a suicidal thought since adolescence, over 15 years ago, and even then I never acted on it.  Ummmm... everyone has harmless homocidal fantasies that they'd never really act upon, right?  ;D

cortisol= anxiolytic and they lower adrenaline( you might be thinking of SNRIS). I have OCDP, and depression and anxious issues. Most of the conditions are co morbid and everyone has aspects of them, i never got sick, until i went through major life changes and my mind is always racing, analyzing etc...I am on zoloft and couldnt be happier with the treatment, i also take a benzo when needed but that is mostly for recreation ;D. I supplement for health issues also.

regarding ssris action, alot of it is downstream and perhaps related to growth factors namely BDNF which create new neural networks. The smartest people i know have mental issues, there is an obvious correlation and it sucks. However, being overly driven OCPD has allowed me to get big, strong, well in school etc..... so its a double edged sword.

if anyone has any questions on psych meds id be happy to try an answer them as i have researched them quite a bit, right down to the neuroleptics and anti convulsants. :D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: bodybuilder1234 on August 03, 2008, 08:04:31 AM
Never

There are too many obstacles to conquer in this world, the road is just beginning for me
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 03, 2008, 08:10:34 AM
cortisol= anxiolytic and they lower adrenaline( you might be thinking of SNRIS). I have OCDP, and depression and anxious issues. Most of the conditions are co morbid and everyone has aspects of them, i never got sick, until i went through major life changes and my mind is always racing, analyzing etc...I am on zoloft and couldnt be happier with the treatment, i also take a benzo when needed but that is mostly for recreation ;D. I supplement for health issues also.

regarding ssris action, alot of it is downstream and perhaps related to growth factors namely BDNF which create new neural networks. The smartest people i know have mental issues, there is an obvious correlation and it sucks. However, being overly driven OCPD has allowed me to get big, strong, well in school etc..... so its a double edged sword.

if anyone has any questions on psych meds id be happy to try an answer them as i have researched them quite a bit, right down to the neuroleptics and anti convulsants. :D

So, you once wrote a response to Haider where you claimed to have been in a gocart accident. Debussey thought the whole post was a big joke (and found it to be pretty funny :D ). So, was the post a joke, or was it true?  ;D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 03, 2008, 08:10:38 AM
Several years ago due to the phylosophical problem. I tryed to kill myself twice.

Is that problem over with?  How did you get help or survive once you slit your wrists?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 03, 2008, 08:12:09 AM
That is a low dose. How long have been off?
 

A couple months, isn't that the recommended dose for weights over 200lbs? 
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: stormshadow on August 03, 2008, 08:12:59 AM
cortisol= anxiolytic and they lower adrenaline( you might be thinking of SNRIS). I have OCDP, and depression and anxious issues. Most of the conditions are co morbid and everyone has aspects of them, i never got sick, until i went through major life changes and my mind is always racing, analyzing etc...I am on zoloft and couldnt be happier with the treatment, i also take a benzo when needed but that is mostly for recreation ;D. I supplement for health issues also.

regarding ssris action, alot of it is downstream and perhaps related to growth factors namely BDNF which create new neural networks. The smartest people i know have mental issues, there is an obvious correlation and it sucks. However, being overly driven OCPD has allowed me to get big, strong, well in school etc..... so its a double edged sword.

if anyone has any questions on psych meds id be happy to try an answer them as i have researched them quite a bit, right down to the neuroleptics and anti convulsants. :D

Meltdown
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2008, 08:14:38 AM
Tapeworm-

the weight gain is on ssris which are the least likely to cause that effect with prozac and zoloft being the easiest on the bf% is related mostly to histamine receptor 1 antagonism. This increases AMPK regardless of leptin(the human adipostat) and causes you to eat more, be less full and experience symptoms of hypoglycemia. The increase in cortisol doesnt help at all, but something like remeron or xanax could mitigate that, but then again i wouldnt like to take either chronically.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 03, 2008, 08:15:40 AM
I'm 20 now. Been on SSRIs since age 13, they work. I don't get many (if any) side effects, unless I forget to take them for a few days. Without this drug I don't know where I'd be now. Maybe a grave. Don't get me wrong, talking and all that helped a little, but in my case I think the drug was the breakthrough. I had been on shitloads of other (prescribed) stuff when I was 13.

People who say depression is for the weak, talk yourself out of it etc....I almost wish it upon them so they know what it feels like. I say almost, because I'd never wish something like that on someone. It truely is living hell.

Good luck to anyone that suffers from this. Be strong and know that you will be better for enduring it

Good shit, good post from a good person.

two cures




dizzle woke up!  We talked about those already in this thread.

Never

There are too many obstacles to conquer in this world, the road is just beginning for me

Good outlook for life.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2008, 08:17:23 AM
So, you once wrote a response to Haider where you claimed to have been in a gocart accident. Debussey thought the whole post was a big joke (and found it to be pretty funny :D ). So, was the post a joke, or was it true?  ;D

unfortunately i was in a lethal go cart accident and am paralyzed from the eyelids down.

no this post was serious, figured some people that ask me for advice on here might be going though some issues like the OP stated. Since i get pms daily about various health concerns etc.. i did my original schooling in psych and neuro so id hope i could offer some assistance. :D

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 03, 2008, 08:18:25 AM
anti-depressant technology is awful.  For most, the negatives out weight the positives.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2008, 08:18:46 AM
Meltdown

do you feel sad for no reason, have thoughts of hopelessness or worthlessness. Do you often find no joy in life or activities that you once enjoyed? if so cymbalta can help

paid for by eli lily
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 03, 2008, 08:18:51 AM
cortisol= anxiolytic and they lower adrenaline( you might be thinking of SNRIS). I have OCDP, and depression and anxious issues. Most of the conditions are co morbid and everyone has aspects of them, i never got sick, until i went through major life changes and my mind is always racing, analyzing etc...I am on zoloft and couldnt be happier with the treatment, i also take a benzo when needed but that is mostly for recreation ;D. I supplement for health issues also.

regarding ssris action, alot of it is downstream and perhaps related to growth factors namely BDNF which create new neural networks. The smartest people i know have mental issues, there is an obvious correlation and it sucks. However, being overly driven OCPD has allowed me to get big, strong, well in school etc..... so its a double edged sword.

if anyone has any questions on psych meds id be happy to try an answer them as i have researched them quite a bit, right down to the neuroleptics and anti convulsants. :D

What is a benzo, that you talk about when needed?  Any new anti depressants to hit the market soon?

jt

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 03, 2008, 08:20:03 AM
unfortunately i was in a lethal go cart accident and am paralyzed from the eyelids down.

no this post was serious, figured some people that ask me for advice on here might be going though some issues like the OP stated. Since i get pms daily about various health concerns etc.. i did my original schooling in psych and neuro so id hope i could offer some assistance. :D




You had a 4.0 GPA in neuro, right? If so, that = good stuff.

And your poor GF that you might marry must deal with a cripple for the rest of her life. Poor girl. :'( :D

Your posts are always interesting to read, Gary = strong with you:

(http://www.dvdrama.com/menus/predator2z1011.jpg)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 03, 2008, 08:20:24 AM
I am on zoloft and couldnt be happier with the treatment,

it hasn't affected you sexually?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 03, 2008, 08:20:31 AM
unfortunately i was in a lethal go cart accident and am paralyzed from the eyelids down.

no this post was serious, figured some people that ask me for advice on here might be going though some issues like the OP stated. Since i get pms daily about various health concerns etc.. i did my original schooling in psych and neuro so id hope i could offer some assistance. :D



How can you post on here though?  I am sorry to hear that, it sucks.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 03, 2008, 08:22:12 AM
anti-depressant technology is awful.  For most, the negatives out weight the positives.

Maybe usmokepole could help ya with what to do, bast has tried most all anti depressants and said none worked, maybe they are new ones for him?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2008, 08:22:34 AM
Lol go cart accident, funny stuff.  Let's hear the story!

What is a benzo, that you talk about when needed?  Any new anti depressants to hit the market soon?

jt



benzos are things like vailum, xanax, ativan, klonopin etc.. some have unique properties like valium increasing testosterone. They are mild traquilizers, mostly used for anxious syndromes.

new crf-1 antagonists and nk1 antagonists will be out soon, they should be extreme improvments on the current meds. I agree with bast that current meds do suck somewhat, but so do all drugs for the most part, medicine is still very crude with so novel shit coming out recently.

of the lot, zoloft is the best imo, as it has dopamine re uptake inhibition and sigma receptor agonism. If you feel dull, try adding wellbutrin to the mix at a low dose, it has positive effects on body comp, inflammation, and mood and energy. Should take away the emotional blunting of the ssri.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2008, 08:24:44 AM
it hasn't affected you sexually?

wellbutrin can correct sexual dysfunction. It did at first, not so much now. Remeron has little to no incidence of sexually dysfunction. Some of the anti convulsants like lyrica or gabapentin might increase sex drive. But seriously wellbutrin=massive sex drive increase, however if you have anxiety, ocd etc.. it might exacerbate those issues.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2008, 08:25:23 AM
How can you post on here though?  I am sorry to hear that, it sucks.

jt

how does stephen hawking roll a joint, exactly.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2008, 08:27:13 AM

You had a 4.0 GPA in neuro, right? If so, that = good stuff.

And your poor GF that you might marry must deal with a cripple for the rest of her life. Poor girl. :'( :D

Your posts are always interesting to read, Gary = strong with you:

(http://www.dvdrama.com/menus/predator2z1011.jpg)

yes sir. Also for some reason my dick game is still strong even though i eat through a garden hose (money issues).

debussey is one good looking dude FTR. amazing teeth.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: The Master on August 03, 2008, 08:29:35 AM
yes sir. Also for some reason my dick game is still strong even though i eat through a garden hose (money issues).

debussey is one good looking dude FTR. amazing teeth.


Yeah, this guy = very very hot. Just looking at him makes Debusseys cock rise high!

(http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/02/16/previews/Gary%20Busey-SGG-039866.jpg)(http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w08/img.131700_t.jpg)

YAY :D 8)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2008, 08:44:57 AM

Yeah, this guy = very very hot. Just looking at him makes Debusseys cock rise high!

(http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/02/16/previews/Gary%20Busey-SGG-039866.jpg)(http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w08/img.131700_t.jpg)

YAY :D 8)


hearing his voice is like an angel pissing on your ears
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: QuakerOats on August 03, 2008, 08:48:13 AM

Yeah, this guy = very very hot. Just looking at him makes Debusseys cock rise high!

(http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/02/16/previews/Gary%20Busey-SGG-039866.jpg)(http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w08/img.131700_t.jpg)

YAY :D 8)

epic horse teeth.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: G.R.H. on August 03, 2008, 09:47:09 AM
if u are thinking of killing yourself, dude you need to be getting professional help! i used to think that way when i was an active alcoholic. i have almost 3 years clean now. i no longer am a victim to the bottle! focus more on lifting weights bro! u will feel better. if u have depression, go to a doctor and get help! seriously! good luck!  8)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: burn2live on August 03, 2008, 11:10:45 AM
if u are thinking of killing yourself, dude you need to be getting professional help! i used to think that way when i was an active alcoholic. i have almost 3 years clean now. i no longer am a victim to the bottle! focus more on lifting weights bro! u will feel better. if u have depression, go to a doctor and get help! seriously! good luck!  8)

Good man. I'm off the drink as well  ;D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: burn2live on August 03, 2008, 11:11:50 AM
Good shit, good post from a good person.


Thanks man. Look after yourself!
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 03, 2008, 06:24:28 PM
When your depressed the best thing to do is drink and fuck.
The best thing ever, have a shot of tequila or whatever and fuck a bitch...if people listened to my idea the suicide rate will drop.

you make it sound easy for everyone to get a high quality chick whenever they want.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 03, 2008, 06:33:08 PM
you make it sound easy for everyone to get a high quality chick whenever they want.
It's easy, go out to a beergarden type bar, there a bunch in australia, have a few drinks, get loose, talk to a group of fine ladies, yes a group, out of a grouo of 4-6 girls one should believe the shit ur talking..

I wanna take u guys out one night (no homo)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 03, 2008, 06:40:10 PM
It's easy, go out to a beergarden type bar, there a bunch in australia, have a few drinks, get loose, talk to a group of fine ladies, yes a group, out of a grouo of 4-6 girls one should believe the shit ur talking..

I wanna take u guys out one night (no homo)

Are you a good looking dude?   Do you blatantly ask to bang them/take them home or disguise your intentions?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 03, 2008, 06:41:49 PM
Are you a good looking dude?
Im not ugly, Im not going to say im hot or beautiful...which i dont think i am, but when i go out im the hottest man on the planet..Im the best.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 03, 2008, 06:46:45 PM
Im not ugly, Im not going to say im hot or beautiful...which i dont think i am, but when i go out im the hottest man on the planet..Im the best.

yea you're right it's important to act that way, i added another question to my post
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 03, 2008, 06:54:35 PM
Are you a good looking dude?   Do you blatantly ask to bang them/take them home or disguise your intentions?
The thing with me is im not shy, now being shy isnt that bad but if your shy and you hide your intentions and then you go to kiss or make a sexual statement you become a "stalker" or "Freak"

Im more like Ari gold, the character in Entourage, witty, funny, cocky, but not arrogant, cause u will be alone if u act to good for everybody.

I dont blatantly ask to bang them, though i have done that when i was in qld and a girl was asking a random guy to leave her alone and i stepped in, then she was talking to me bout how her BF treats her like shit, then i just got with her and said "lets go back to my hotel and fuck like crazy" we did..

I find it so much easier to pick up girls when theres 3 or more, there more comfortable talking to a stranger when there in numbers, then i just work my magic and then figure out which girl will put out
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on August 03, 2008, 07:03:32 PM
benzos are things like vailum, xanax, ativan, klonopin etc.. some have unique properties like valium increasing testosterone. They are mild traquilizers, mostly used for anxious syndromes.

new crf-1 antagonists and nk1 antagonists will be out soon, they should be extreme improvments on the current meds. I agree with bast that current meds do suck somewhat, but so do all drugs for the most part, medicine is still very crude with so novel shit coming out recently.

of the lot, zoloft is the best imo, as it has dopamine re uptake inhibition and sigma receptor agonism. If you feel dull, try adding wellbutrin to the mix at a low dose, it has positive effects on body comp, inflammation, and mood and energy. Should take away the emotional blunting of the ssri.

Do the SSRIs and SNRIs affect inflammation?

What do you think of Tianeptine?

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: MB_722 on August 03, 2008, 07:52:55 PM
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=227064.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=227064.0)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: nzmusclemonster on August 03, 2008, 08:11:37 PM
The thing with me is im not shy, now being shy isnt that bad but if your shy and you hide your intentions and then you go to kiss or make a sexual statement you become a "stalker" or "Freak"

Im more like Ari gold, the character in Entourage, witty, funny, cocky, but not arrogant, cause u will be alone if u act to good for everybody.

I dont blatantly ask to bang them, though i have done that when i was in qld and a girl was asking a random guy to leave her alone and i stepped in, then she was talking to me bout how her BF treats her like shit, then i just got with her and said "lets go back to my hotel and fuck like crazy" we did..

I find it so much easier to pick up girls when theres 3 or more, there more comfortable talking to a stranger when there in numbers, then i just work my magic and then figure out which girl will put out

Haha!
Whats your success rate like....Do you ever get shut down?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2008, 09:16:26 PM
Do the SSRIs and SNRIs affect inflammation?

What do you think of Tianeptine?




of the ssris they dont seem to effect inflammation much but the tetracylic SNRI remeron should increase inflammation as it up regulates TNF-alpha a major inflammatory cytokine. This is in part how it causes weight gain, by lowering leptin via increases in tnf-a. Bupropion(wellbutrin) actually lowers TNF-a substantially and will imo be a breakthrough treatment for various forms of IBD as some of the lit already indicates. It may also cause its weight loss through that mechanism also. serzone, effexor, cymbalta, and prestig im probably forgetting one should have neutral effect or some positive effect on inflammation as norepinephrine is somewhat anti inflammatory by nature. FTR, any ssri exacerbates my asthma pretty bad, as serotonin is a potent bronchoconstrictor.

id like to get my hands on some tianeptine :D its SSRE activity intrigues me and its mechanism is certainly downstream serotonergic activity, and agonism of 5hta-1. I think it would be great for fatigue and depressives with mild anxious syndromes. However it can intensify mood and the clearance of serotonin from the bloodstream could cause some OCD type symptoms. I think it would be good for sleep quality as well as ssris fuck up achitecture.It is also a pretty potent anti asthmatic drug, they use it in france for those issues.

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Necrosis on August 03, 2008, 09:20:32 PM
just a bit more on tianeptine, i would HUGELY prefer it to any ssri for the treatment of depression due to its mild sides and non emotional blunting. I should add that it seems to stimulate significant hippocampal neurogenesis which is greatly needed due to depressions massive cortical and neuronal pruning.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 03, 2008, 09:35:41 PM
Haha!
Whats your success rate like....Do you ever get shut down?
When im on a date, its like in the high 90 percentile, girls know i wanna fuck, they sense it, i dont hide it either, i have asked girls out and some have said " Yes, but there is a hands off policy" hahaah its true, i respect that, and i like the girls that say that, cause i can really enjoy there company without having to think what my next move is...

In terms of picking up, i can pick up anytime, day or night, at the gym or at a club, at the shopping centre (Mall) or the beach, im at ease when im around females...girls always give off body language signals if they like you, most guys ignore it and go home and jerk off, if i get a Body language signal i make my way to her and say "Hi, my name is Quickerblade from getbig, i just had to come over to you and introduce myself"

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 03, 2008, 10:41:41 PM
Haha!
Whats your success rate like....Do you ever get shut down?

everybody gets shutdown, I believe this is a numbers game he is playing?  It works, but could get old.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 03, 2008, 10:48:59 PM
everybody gets shutdown, I believe this is a numbers game he is playing?  It works, but could get old.

No not really a numbers game, thats for losers and for guys who have no standards..i know what i want, i do my best to get it.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 03, 2008, 10:53:24 PM
You sound like quite the player Quickerblade, can you post some pictures of the pussy you have tagged?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 03, 2008, 11:00:25 PM
You sound like quite the player Quickerblade, can you post some pictures of the pussy you have tagged?
No pics jtsunami.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 03, 2008, 11:08:14 PM
Ok I take your word for it.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Tapeworm on August 04, 2008, 12:11:26 AM
You guys are unreal.  It's like you believe that women don't like or want sex.  Do you honestly believe that you have performed some sort of "magic" if you manage to pick up?

Here's what actually happened:

1. The woman was in the mood for sex.
2. You happened to be present and have a penis.
3. You weren't quite disgusting or obnoxious enough to put her off.

Getting laid does not qualify as a heroic act.  HTH.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Deicide on August 04, 2008, 12:19:31 AM
When im on a date, its like in the high 90 percentile, girls know i wanna fuck, they sense it, i dont hide it either, i have asked girls out and some have said " Yes, but there is a hands off policy" hahaah its true, i respect that, and i like the girls that say that, cause i can really enjoy there company without having to think what my next move is...

In terms of picking up, i can pick up anytime, day or night, at the gym or at a club, at the shopping centre (Mall) or the beach, im at ease when im around females...girls always give off body language signals if they like you, most guys ignore it and go home and jerk off, if i get a Body language signal i make my way to her and say "Hi, my name is Quickerblade from getbig, i just had to come over to you and introduce myself"



What does this have to do with suicide again? ???
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Deicide on August 04, 2008, 12:42:57 AM
You guys are unreal.  It's like you believe that women don't like or want sex.  Do you honestly believe that you have performed some sort of "magic" if you manage to pick up?

Here's what actually happened:

1. The woman was in the mood for sex.
2. You happened to be present and have a penis.
3. You weren't quite disgusting or obnoxious enough to put her off.

Getting laid does not qualify as a heroic act.  HTH.

Nice one... ;D
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Tapeworm on August 04, 2008, 01:08:22 AM
Nice one... ;D

It's true!

Finding a woman who will go to bed with you isn't something to brag about.  Finding one who YOU want to go to bed with should be the goal.  Finding a woman who you still want around the next morning, next week, next month, etc,  is definitely to be happy about.

I know... gayer than a handbag full of rainbows.  ::)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: nzmusclemonster on August 04, 2008, 03:04:16 AM
You guys are unreal.  It's like you believe that women don't like or want sex.  Do you honestly believe that you have performed some sort of "magic" if you manage to pick up?

Here's what actually happened:

1. The woman was in the mood for sex.
2. You happened to be present and have a penis.
3. You weren't quite disgusting or obnoxious enough to put her off.

Getting laid does not qualify as a heroic act.  HTH.

Perhaps not.... but the most difficult part of getting pussy is when you get a lot over a period of time or you are juggling a lot of chicks at one time.

It becomes a mental game. You have to deal with moral issues, you question whether you are a good person, you are constantly being hounded by bitches and coming up with excuses/keeping them at bay until you can fit them into yourschedule etc... all of these things are tough on the mind.

That is what seperates the men from the boys. Being able to sustain large numbers of pussy over a long period of time. Getting a good run for a month or so is easy. Stretching it out longer is the true test.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: ~weed~ on August 04, 2008, 06:30:50 AM
I only read to page 3, but it seems that this thread went OT  ::)

I do believe depression meds are waaayyy over prescribed, BUT they do have their place.  It is not always possible to "get over it" or "suck it up" or "think positively" so meds can help.  They need to be in conjunction with a person trying to improve their mental health, sometimes they can be the help the person needs to be able to seek out non medication ways to improve their outlook.

  Being 301.83  ;)  I do have a chemical imbalance and certain things will make it worse (birth controls pills made me out of control because of the progesterone in them for example) and I have had many years where Prozac was a must (I would go off it for months and once it was out of my system for awhile, it takes a while to clear, I would eventually have to resort to going back on because I did need it.  301.83 has been known to improve as the person gets older and in my case that is true.  I have been med free for some time now and have looked into other alternatives which may be enough now at this stage in my life.  Time will tell if I have to go back to prescription meds.

   Some people are wired screwy, me being one of them  ;D, so I don't discount meds for mental health, but the doling them out like water because someone is a little down without exploring the whys behind it has gotten out of control.   :-\

 
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 04, 2008, 06:32:45 AM
What does this have to do with suicide again? ???
it does not have anything to do with it, sorry, i just get carried away.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: ~weed~ on August 04, 2008, 06:39:49 AM

Great post.

A sidenote: The brain structures are changing every day automatically, and more when you do and learn new things. The smart person makes a habit of controlling his/hers thinking, thereby changing their brain into producing this type of thinking automatically over time.

 Possibly why 301.83 can improve as the person gets older?  You eventually learn how to deal with things better and controlling your emotions & behaviors.  When you for whatever reason don't have the skills to deal emotionally with what is natural to others it is very hard to try and learn to think differently.  DBT is very hard, I have given it a go 2 times but never finished all the modules.   :P
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Bast000 on August 04, 2008, 02:50:56 PM
girls always give off body language signals if they like you, most guys ignore it and go home and jerk off



where did you learn about these?  I know of a few like stroking teh hair back.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 04, 2008, 03:17:08 PM
where did you learn about these?  I know of a few like stroking teh hair back.
I work in a female dominated industry, i know, stroking there hair is overrated, sometimes they do that cause there bored, when they smile and look away is where i pounce.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 04, 2008, 05:01:23 PM
I only read to page 3, but it seems that this thread went OT  ::)

I do believe depression meds are waaayyy over prescribed, BUT they do have their place.  It is not always possible to "get over it" or "suck it up" or "think positively" so meds can help.  They need to be in conjunction with a person trying to improve their mental health, sometimes they can be the help the person needs to be able to seek out non medication ways to improve their outlook.

  Being 301.83  ;)  I do have a chemical imbalance and certain things will make it worse (birth controls pills made me out of control because of the progesterone in them for example) and I have had many years where Prozac was a must (I would go off it for months and once it was out of my system for awhile, it takes a while to clear, I would eventually have to resort to going back on because I did need it.  301.83 has been known to improve as the person gets older and in my case that is true.  I have been med free for some time now and have looked into other alternatives which may be enough now at this stage in my life.  Time will tell if I have to go back to prescription meds.

   Some people are wired screwy, me being one of them  ;D, so I don't discount meds for mental health, but the doling them out like water because someone is a little down without exploring the whys behind it has gotten out of control.   :-\

 

Oh my gosh  :o  A girl posted in my thread, thx for taking your time to post here.  What is a 301.83??   ???  I really like your story, please stay posting on gb.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: ~weed~ on August 04, 2008, 05:22:46 PM
Oh my gosh  :o  A girl posted in my thread, thx for taking your time to post here.  What is a 301.83??   ???  I really like your story, please stay posting on gb.

jt


  Here, the DSM-IV codes:

http://allpsych.com/disorders/disorders_dsmIVcodes.html


  I have been on GB for many years!  My main account is ~flower~  :)   I use this one usually when I am angry, pouting, sad, or sometimes just cause.  :D ~flower~ has been inactive since 06/02/08, I think now I am just continuing to not use it just to leave it inactive (and because geo is an asshole!  >:(   he suffers from 302.72   ;) )
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 04, 2008, 05:33:32 PM
Cant you just PM eachother? this is getbig, no one really cares if you kill yourself, maybe if your lucky Vince basile will go to your funeral and take a few pics.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: HTexan on August 04, 2008, 06:01:32 PM
Cant you just PM eachother? this is getbig, no one really cares if you kill yourself, maybe if your lucky Vince basile will go to your funeral and take a few pics.
i disagree, most people would want to see the vid. :-\
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 04, 2008, 06:03:58 PM
i disagree, most people would want to see the vid. :-\

HAHAHA True, Getbig style
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: _bruce_ on August 04, 2008, 07:23:10 PM
Im not ugly, Im not going to say im hot or beautiful...which i dont think i am, but when i go out im the hottest man on the planet..Im the best.

The universal secret to success  8)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Quickerblade on August 04, 2008, 07:27:17 PM
The universal secret to success  8)
Absolutely.
If you dont love yourself, who will.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Deicide on August 05, 2008, 12:58:14 AM

  Here, the DSM-IV codes:

http://allpsych.com/disorders/disorders_dsmIVcodes.html


  I have been on GB for many years!  My main account is ~flower~  :)   I use this one usually when I am angry, pouting, sad, or sometimes just cause.  :D ~flower~ has been inactive since 06/02/08, I think now I am just continuing to not use it just to leave it inactive (and because geo is an asshole!  >:(   he suffers from 302.72   ;) )


Do you practise bestiality?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: DK II on August 05, 2008, 12:29:31 PM
every time i log on to getbig and realize i'm the only non 650 for reps benching, supermodel/porn star girlfriend having, billionaire on here. :'(

i rather guess you think about killing yourself everytime you log OFF getbig, because you realize you're just a fat slob living in a trailer park, this also explains why you are online 24/7.

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: CalvinH on August 06, 2008, 06:34:51 AM
Every time candizzle starts giving advice.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Deicide on August 06, 2008, 06:44:33 AM
Regularly and not for any particular reason...
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: ~weed~ on August 06, 2008, 04:33:31 PM
Do you practise bestiality?

 I don't take steroids   ???
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Butterbean on August 07, 2008, 10:40:49 AM
Cant you just PM eachother? this is getbig, no one really cares if you kill yourself,

I would care if someone here killed themselves....(and QB I think you would care too).

I think everyone has thought of it at some point ....some more than others.  I used to think of it often years ago.  Very glad I never did it.

Things can improve!  Anyone thinking of it please don't do it!!  You are loved! :)




Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Deicide on August 08, 2008, 03:20:56 AM
I would care if someone here killed themselves....(and QB I think you would care too).

I think everyone has thought of it at some point ....some more than others.  I used to think of it often years ago.  Very glad I never did it.

Things can improve!  Anyone thinking of it please don't do it!!  You are loved! :)






A pleasant thought but how long would you think about it? I think at best you would devote 2 or 3 minutes of your time to the thought and then you get on with your life and never give it a second thought. Seriously, you would preoccupy yourself with the suicidal death of an internet spectre for an extended period of time? I highly doubt this. Is this the claim you are making?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Butterbean on August 08, 2008, 11:12:37 AM
A pleasant thought but how long would you think about it? I think at best you would devote 2 or 3 minutes of your time to the thought and then you get on with your life and never give it a second thought. Seriously, you would preoccupy yourself with the suicidal death of an internet spectre for an extended period of time? I highly doubt this. Is this the claim you are making?


How can you presume (again!) to know how I think or what I think about?

Yes, I think about people here and pray for them.  There are real people behind these handles.  Even the gimmicks are real people ;D

There is a poster here who has a friend who attempted suicide and I have never met (or spoken with) either of them and I've never conversed in any way with the person who attempted suicide and I've prayed for and thought about that person a lot. 

You know I've prayed a lot for you too and I continue to do so.  Maybe you assumed that that was just talk but it's not, I do pray quite often for you ya friggin' nerd.

There are people I've met through here and text and talk to (some) on the phone.  I care about them a lot and think about them a lot and pray for them. 

Just because you may not care about people here doesn't mean everyone thinks the same way you think. 
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: w8m8 on August 08, 2008, 11:35:48 AM
I know Getbig has members who feel they must put out a persona of brutishness in some aspects , but in all seriousness here ... Human Compassion is a natural born emotion .. of course "some"  people  ( never STella ) find it necessary or helpful somehow to shut it off , either sometimes or all the time ..  but to "assume" it's fake is insulting and demeaning .. not cool Deicide


Suicide and attempted suicide is not taken lightly by the ones left to suffer the aftermath

STella ,  :-* , thank you for all of your sincerity and you are one of the MOST supportive people I have ever known .. you are genuine and you share your strength and faith without prejudice ..



Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Deicide on August 08, 2008, 12:09:17 PM

How can you presume (again!) to know how I think or what I think about?

Yes, I think about people here and pray for them.  There are real people behind these handles.  Even the gimmicks are real people ;D

There is a poster here who has a friend who attempted suicide and I have never met (or spoken with) either of them and I've never conversed in any way with the person who attempted suicide and I've prayed for and thought about that person a lot. 

You know I've prayed a lot for you too and I continue to do so.  Maybe you assumed that that was just talk but it's not, I do pray quite often for you ya friggin' nerd.

There are people I've met through here and text and talk to (some) on the phone.  I care about them a lot and think about them a lot and pray for them. 

Just because you may not care about people here doesn't mean everyone thinks the same way you think. 

Well, regarding the insomnia I can readily say that your prayers have been wholly ineffective but thank you anyway.
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Butterbean on August 08, 2008, 01:08:14 PM
I know Getbig has members who feel they must put out a persona of brutishness in some aspects , but in all seriousness here ... Human Compassion is a natural born emotion .. of course "some"  people  ( never STella ) find it necessary or helpful somehow to shut it off , either sometimes or all the time ..  but to "assume" it's fake is insulting and demeaning .. not cool Deicide


Suicide and attempted suicide is not taken lightly by the ones left to suffer the aftermath

STella ,  :-* , thank you for all of your sincerity and you are one of the MOST supportive people I have ever known .. you are genuine and you share your strength and faith without prejudice ..




Thanks for the kind words w8m8 my "nice" ruse must be working ;D

Thank you  :-*


Well, regarding the insomnia I can readily say that your prayers have been wholly ineffective but thank you anyway.
Well I'm sorry to hear that but you're welcome anyway ;)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Tapeworm on August 08, 2008, 01:22:29 PM
Stella, are you saying that even though nice guys finish last, there isn't an angry mob waiting to kick their ass at the finish line?
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Butterbean on August 08, 2008, 01:47:52 PM
Stella, are you saying that even though nice guys finish last, there isn't an angry mob waiting to kick their ass at the finish line?
Well, I guess there can be no guarantees of that! 


Who will not wear the ribbon!

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Deicide on August 08, 2008, 01:50:22 PM
The universal secret to success  8)

That and he's black with a 12 inch cock...
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Necrosis on August 08, 2008, 08:57:10 PM

How can you presume (again!) to know how I think or what I think about?

Yes, I think about people here and pray for them.  There are real people behind these handles.  Even the gimmicks are real people ;D

There is a poster here who has a friend who attempted suicide and I have never met (or spoken with) either of them and I've never conversed in any way with the person who attempted suicide and I've prayed for and thought about that person a lot. 

You know I've prayed a lot for you too and I continue to do so.  Maybe you assumed that that was just talk but it's not, I do pray quite often for you ya friggin' nerd.

There are people I've met through here and text and talk to (some) on the phone.  I care about them a lot and think about them a lot and pray for them. 

Just because you may not care about people here doesn't mean everyone thinks the same way you think. 

i think i have a crush on ou :-*
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Tapper on August 09, 2008, 09:29:31 AM
Jtsunami, do you still feel suicidal at times? Have you tried talking with someone about it? Sometimes just having someone who will listen can do a world of good.

Take care! :)

Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Butterbean on August 09, 2008, 09:43:11 AM
i think i have a crush on ou :-*

lol
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: jtsunami on August 09, 2008, 11:10:05 AM
Jtsunami, do you still feel suicidal at times? Have you tried talking with someone about it? Sometimes just having someone who will listen can do a world of good.

Take care! :)



Tapper,

Hey!  I have gotten over the whole suicidal feelings a while back, I did talk to a psych and got on meds, I was just curious if anybody else on this board went through the same thing I did.  Thx for asking tapper, sorry I haven't revisited this thread lately guys.

jt
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: Tapper on August 09, 2008, 11:51:50 AM
Glad to hear it Jt! Take care. :)
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: G.R.H. on August 10, 2008, 06:40:03 PM
burn2alive, r u a friend of bill w or dr bob?!
Title: Re: How often do you think about killing yourself?
Post by: ~weed~ on August 11, 2008, 09:47:14 AM

I do pray quite often for you ya friggin' nerd.


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