Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums
Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: 240 is Back on August 21, 2008, 01:12:35 PM
-
...but he's keeping it to himself for now.
UPDATE: From Chester, Va., Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) tells USA Today he's settled on a running mate. Obama's not saying who that person is yet and may not even have informed the running mate of his decision.
USA Today: "Obama said he wanted somebody who is 'prepared to be president' and who will be 'a partner with me in strengthening this economy for the middle class and working families'"
AP reports Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine "really thinks he has a chance at the short straw," according to West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin, who discussed the subject with Kaine on Wednesday.
Obama stayed coy with AP, responding to questions about the timing of his veep announcement: "Wouldn't you like to know?"
Obama met privately for 15 minutes Thursday morning at the Omni Richmond hotel with Kaine’s staff.
Margaret Talev of McClatchy Newspapers, the pool reporter from the Obama press corps, reports that she asked the governor whether Obama has asked him to be his running mate.
Kaine replied: "I'm going to let the campaign speak for the campaign." Talev reports that he also declined to comment when she asked if he would rule it out.
Talev asked him what he and Obama talked about. Kaine answered: "He visited with my staff just to basically say hi to them and thank them for all their hard work."
-
dammit 240... >:(
:D
-
I was thinking he would announce today...damn.
-
dammit 240... >:(
:D
;)
If he announced on Friday, it'd dominate the news cycle on fri, all thru weekend, leading to monday concention.
personally, i believe he'll wait UNTIL the convention to make everyone tune in to hear hilary announced, but iu'm probably wrong. CNN and msn say we'll hear tomorrow, who knows. watch your text messages at 8 am tomorrow haha...
-
Hugo & 240, who's your #1 guess?
-
Vegas VP odds
http://thehostess.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/vegas-odds-on-democratic-vp/ (http://thehostess.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/vegas-odds-on-democratic-vp/)
Hillary Clinton 8/1
Bill Richardson 10/1
Ted Strickland 50/1
Kathleen Sebelius 7/1
Evan Bayh 7/5
Wesley Clark 15/1
Joseph Biden 13/2
Christopher Dodd 8/1
Jim Webb 40/1
Michael Bloomberg 45/1
Al Gore 25/1
Mark Warner 25/1
Janet Napolitano 35/1
Ed Rendell 25/1
Sam Nunn 18/1
Tim Kaine 7/5
Brian Schweitzer 30/1
-
Hugo & 240, who's your #1 guess?
Same as it's always been: Hilary Clinton.
-
Same as it's always been: Hilary Clinton.
I'm thinking Hilary too.
-
I'm thinking Hilary too.
He'll clean up that racist ohio/penn/virgina/WV area that's killing him in polls now.
"I'm seen enough Husseins in my day". Remember the elderly on CNN being interviewed?
They loves them some Clintons!
-
He'll clean up that racist ohio/penn/virgina/WV area that's killing him in polls now.
"I'm seen enough Husseins in my day". Remember the elderly on CNN being interviewed?
They loves them some Clintons!
I heard on the radio early today OBama saying he wants someone who will challenge his thinking, not a "yes" person.
-
Hugo & 240, who's your #1 guess?
Hagel :D
No he'll probably pick Hillary.
-
I heard on the radio early today OBama saying he wants someone who will challenge his thinking, not a "yes" person.
shit, lt might be a shocker like Hagel. but probably not.
-
Maybe not Hilary.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12713.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12713.html)
Hillary gets stiffed
There’s one Democrat who would seem to have little or no chance of being picked by Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) to be his running mate – his former opponent, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).
But it’s not for the reason you think.
Obama has often said, most recently on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on July 27, that Clinton “would be on anybody’s short list.”
But apparently not his.
“She was never vetted,” a Democratic official reported. “She was not asked for a single piece of paper. She and Senator Obama have never had a single conversation about it. How would he know if she’d take it?”
The official also said Clinton never met with Obama’s vetting team of Eric Holder and Caroline Kennedy.
And the official said she was never asked for medical records or for any financial 2008 information about her or former President Bill Clinton. The last information the couple has disclosed about taxes and financial holdings was for 2007.
The Clintons also were not asked about donors to the William J. Clinton Presidential Library.
“This would be the biggest leap of faith ever,” the official said. “She’s waiting for the text message like everyone else.”
An Obama aide said "absolutely exhaustive research was done on her over the course of the 16 month primary. She was researched more closely than any candidate in history.
-
Shocking. Not.
-
“She was never vetted,” a Democratic official reported.
Methinks this "unnamed dem official" may not be in the loop. First, he needs a name. And unless his name is Obama or David Alexrod, I doubt he actually knows.
Obama has kept his cards EXTREMELY close on this one. Every potential is saying about the same thing.
-
I donno. I kind of think Obama needs a boost.
-
He'll get a boost if he chooses an experienced person with a military background. He'll lose ground IMO if he picks a polarizing figure like Hillary or someone like Biden. I'd say his smartest choice would be a governor or senator who is a vet.
-
He'll get a boost if he chooses an experienced person with a military background. He'll lose ground IMO if he picks a polarizing figure like Hillary or someone like Biden. I'd say his smartest choice would be a governor or senator who is a vet.
who would you consider not polarizing?
-
He'll get a boost if he chooses an experienced person with a military background. He'll lose ground IMO if he picks a polarizing figure like Hillary or someone like Biden. I'd say his smartest choice would be a governor or senator who is a vet.
Any effective person who spends a lot of time in the spotlight is going to be polarizing.
Obama is hella polarizing at this point. His negatives have jumped, as have the people who have accepted the fact they're going to vote for an african-american with the middle name hussein.
The more you're out there shaking things up, the more polarized a figure you become.
Obama needs those white and women clinton voters. if clinton would have had another month, or if edwards' affair had come out sooner, she would have won. She put $11mil of her own money into it.
She'll get the job done, if given the chance as veep.
-
who would you consider not polarizing?
Anyone but Hillary, for the most. Of the candidates on his short list, Webb sounds like the guy who may be the best choice. Others who wouldn't be polarizing are Richardson, Sebelius, and Bayh.
-
He must have left off his good buddy Louis Farrakhan
-
Anyone but Hillary, for the most. Of the candidates on his short list, Webb sounds like the guy who may be the best choice. Others who wouldn't be polarizing are Richardson, Sebelius, and Bayh.
those folks are also unknowns.
Can any of them bring the fundraising and spotlight that Clinton can? No.
I can't stand the Clintons... but I do know they're a powerful political machine. Obama's team is good, but if overmatched by The Rove Machine.
You put Clinton + Obama teams, up against Rove, and it's another story.
Obama should be winning in a landslide due to economy and war... but he's not... because people want something they know. They know the clintons.
-
NICE 240......... REAL NICE >:(
-
You put Clinton + Obama teams, up against Rove, and it's another story.
Actually, you put both of them up against Rove, and it's just more ammunition for the man.
-
None of them are "unknowns" and they're all more accomplished than Hillary, without the baggage.
Fundraising isn't a problem for Obama. IMO, his three biggest problems are his lack of experience, his socialist tendencies, and his skin color (because we still have race issues). Putting a woman like Hillary on the ticket who suffers from the same lack of experience, is about as liberal as he is, and has enormously high negatives, would be a mistake. She will help energize the opposition, many of who aren't crazy about McCain.
People like Bill. They don't like Hillary.
-
None of them are "unknowns" and they're all more accomplished than Hillary, without the baggage.
Do a survey on 10, 100, or even 1000 Americans.
Ask them how many have heard of hilary Clinton.
Then ask them how many have heard of Richardson, Sebelius, and Bayh.
They are unknown to most of the voting public. We are politics fans, so we know them. But Joe Sixpack has no clue who Sebilus is.
-
Do a survey on 10, 100, or even 1000 Americans.
Ask them how many have heard of hilary Clinton.
Then ask them how many have heard of Richardson, Sebelius, and Bayh.
They are unknown to most of the voting public. We are politics fans, so we know them. But Joe Sixpack has no clue who Sebilus is.
I don't know about Richardson bro, majorty of people know his name, he ran for president, worked under Bill, popular with the Hispanics.
-
I don't know about Richardson bro, majorty of people know his name, he ran for president, worked under Bill, popular with the Hispanics.
I'm sure more people know of richardson than sebelius and bayh.
But I am quite sure more Americans know of Hilary than Richardson. He's a hella qualified guy - maybe he and dodd were the more qualified dems in the race - but he didn't get 5% of the Dem vote in the NMex primaries, did he?
-
Right. Richardson has name recognition. So does Bayh. He has been on the Democrat VP short list for years. Sebelius is newer to the national scene, but she has a pretty impressive background.
In any event, to put this in perspective, people typically vote the top of the ticket, so what both candidates have to do is avoid selecting someone who will hurt them.
-
Right. Richardson has name recognition. So does Bayh. He has been on the Democrat VP short list for years. Sebelius is newer to the national scene, but she has a pretty impressive background.
In any event, to put this in perspective, people typically vote the top of the ticket, so what both candidates have to do is avoid selecting someone who will hurt them.
They usually vote top of ticket - but - the dem primary was essentiall 50/50 all the way. MORE THAN HALF of democrats voted AGAINST Obama. That's pretty big. Those 18 million Clinton voters would be useful right about now.
-
Whichever Democrat got the nomination was always going to get the Democrat vote in the general. The nominees need independents and some crossovers to win. Hillary will hurt Obama's chances with independents and any Republicans sitting on the fence.
Also, he really can't put someone on the ticket with no military background and very little legislative experience when we have two ongoing wars and expect to win in November.
-
maybe he'll nominate Michelle Obama? ;D
-
Won't be Kaine.
Obama Campaign Sets Timing of VP Announcement; Kaine Out
by dpaulson
Friday, August 22, 2008
Barack Obama plans to notify the country of his vice presidential pick Saturday — possibly sometime late morning — before Obama and his chosen one appear at a 2 p.m. unveiling event in Illinois, FOX News learned Friday night.
The news does little to quell the frenzied speculation about who will be standing on that stage with Obama, but it establishes a clearer time frame for the announcement after days of frustrated anticipation.
Obama’s campaign had invited supporters to sign up for text messages and e-mails notifying them when the announcement was made, and senior campaign officials told FOX the messages will be timed to be received when the nation is awake.
FOX News also has learned that Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, one of the people rumored to be a finalist, has been told he is not Obama’s running mate, a source close to the situation tells Fox.
Obama’s campaign has managed to keep a tight veil of secrecy over the decision as media and delegates start traveling to Denver for a four-day extravaganza that will end with an acceptance speech by the first black presidential nominee of a major party.
Journalists, meanwhile, have staked out all the top potential picks for any indications that they may be the one. Sen. Joe Biden remains a strong contender. Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas is a possibility. And a new name — Texas Democratic Rep. Chet Edwards — entered into the buzz about potential short-listers.
Sen. Evan Bayh, another contender, was the subject of additional speculation Friday evening when reports surfaced that a Kansas company had printed materials touting “Obama-Bayh 2008,” though it isn’t clear the materials are official campaign productions.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/22/obama-campaign-sets-timing-of-vp-announcement/
-
Obama's striptease may be risky business
In dragging out the announcement of his vice-presidential nominee to almost the eve of the Democratic National Convention, Barack Obama has at once demonstrated his willingness to defy conventional political expectations—and to hold the news media in his thrall while doing it.
ADVERTISEMENT
By keeping the “who will it be?” drama going all week—and at least a couple days past when many media commentators and political operatives thought the answer would become known—Obama discarded a widespread belief in political circles that a vice president should be picked far enough in advance that a nominee can enjoy several days of massive publicity about the ticket.
Delay brings two potential risks for Obama.
As it now stands, his announcement will land on a weekend and bleed right into the nominating convention—a time when a nominee can already expect to be dominating national attention.
What’s more, by keeping expectations hanging for so long, Obama makes it harder to deliver on all the anticipation. A weeks-long strip tease, ending with a naked Joe Biden or Evan Bayh—or some other safe but unsexy choice—might prove deflating.
“The only explanation that makes sense is that he really does have a surprise pick or he's trying to convince someone to join the ticket,” said a skeptical operative who has worked for Hillary Clinton, who believed that Obama has squandered a good opportunity to set the agenda in the week before the convention.
Others were more supportive—or dismissive of the idea that the timing really matters all that much to anyone beyond reporters.
Obama strategists have said they don’t believe that in this era of compressed news cycles, it makes sense to try to ride a long wave out of the selection of a vice-presidential nominee. The first wave of positive or neutral stories will quickly turn to a second wave of negative ones.
In this case, the Obama campaign is dining out this week on stories about Republican John McCain being unable to answer—“I’ll have my staff get to you”—a question about how many houses he owns. A vice-presidential announcement would have stepped on that story.
“I’m of the view that, at this point, waiting is a good thing,” said Democratic strategist Mark Mellman. “Obviously the announcement’s going to get a lot of attention. But it’s very important to build interest for the convention. The closer the announcement is to the convention, the more newsy the convention is.”
Plus, he said, “this time you had the Olympics intruding, and not getting a sustained ride but having it peter out” as the games come to a close.
Tad Devine, John Kerry’s chief strategist in 2004, agreed that delay makes sense in the current environment. “When you have an announcement it’s immediately positive, typically,” Devine said. “Things move so quickly that the inevitable negative front would have come in 48 hours. [In this case] the convention occurring within 48 hours will cut off the inevitable scrutiny of the vice presidential pick.”
Matt Bennett, a vice president of Third Way who served as Wesley Clark's communications director in 2004, said he was confident in Obama's strategy but added that there were some downsides in holding off the decision and letting speculation run rampant.
“Every day that goes by not only do you step on your own message, but you forfeit the opportunity to have a candidate hitting four media markets a day,” he said. “Every dollar spent on candidate travel is much more highly leveraged than candidate ads, so they’re giving all that up by waiting this long."
A Republican strategist, Frank Luntz, said it was probably worth it from Obama’s perspective.
“He wanted to create buzz and that’s exactly what he did,” he said. “I’m in California. Everyone’s pulling out their cell phones…hoping. They want to be the first to know.”
Although cable networks were on stakeout all day, along with the anxious cell phone community, there was no public evidence that the Obama campaign had planned on making the announcement Friday, though somehow that’s what got conveyed to much of the news media.
“There has been anticipation for days that the vice-presidential announcement would happen toward the end of the week,” said Sam Feist, CNN political director. “This has sort of become the story.”
The speculation reached full boil with a New York Times story this week saying a text message from Obama announcing his choice could come as early as Wednesday morning. That came and went. On Thursday Obama told an AP reporter he had made his choice—but wasn't going to reveal it. "Wouldn't you like to know?" he said.
On Friday, Obama aide Robert Gibbs put on a big smirk and seemingly taunted Fox News: "We may wait until Wednesday and do it right at the convention."
The gamesmanship is secondary to a candidate’s comfort, said Joe Lockhart, a White house press secretary to Bill Clinton. “You shouldn’t do it before you’re ready,” Lockhart said. “You shouldn’t push it because of a news cycle. If this is going to happen on Sunday, I think it makes a lot of sense. I guarantee you there’s no one who’s going to go to the voting booth and say, "I’m not sure about this Obama guy. They were going to do it on this day and they did it on that day.'"
“If it’s Biden,” said veteran Democratic strategist Bob Shrum, “it’s sort of like a long movie about the Civil War. We know who won. If they did it Friday evening at 5:30 they would dominate the evening news, Olympics or no Olympics. If they do it tomorrow, it will dominate tomorrow and Sunday and we’ll move on as we go into the convention….But it doesn’t matter a whit to the outcome of the election. I think we are consumed by this. Here we are sitting here talking about it.”
“The Obama campaign has been masterful in building suspense and then like any good production there has to be a payoff at the end,” said Howard Wolfson, one of Hillary Clinton’s top political advisers.
“They have done a masterful job in owning the media attention over the pick and understanding the press’s fascination and obsession with the processes,” he continued. “A lot of the success of this is based on stagecraft. The first 24 to 48 hours is the crucial period in informing the public’s conception of the pick.”
Jim Jordan, a longtime Democratic strategist, questioned whether an announcement on Monday or Tuesday would have sustained the gaze of the political media. “The attention span of the media has gotten so short now that you can’t drive a vice-presidential pick for a week,” he said.
“The story gets more and more absurd every four years. It’s underwhelming by definition,” Jordan said. “Absent an inexplicable lapse in judgment, these picks, when all is said and done, are never the most important things that happen during the campaign.”
“They might have delayed it one day because they were enjoying the McCain house meltdown,” Jordan said.
One well-known strategist was taking it all in with a shrug.
“How could it possibly make a difference?” said James Carville. “Twenty-four hours? If I were doing it, I’d do it Sunday. I’d create a whole bunch of stories going into the convention.”
-
Bayh is out. Smelling like Biden?
***UPDATE*** 10:40pm CNN says they can confirm that Evan Bayh is out of the running for Obama's vice presidential pick.
NBC News is reporting that Evan Bayh and Tim Kaine have been told by Obama that they will not be his vice presidential nominee:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/22/kaine-bayh-ruled-out-as-o_n_120763.html
-
Bayh is out. Smelling like Biden?
This text message thing was a flop. Now they are going to text is at 10am central time. And some reporters already confirmed through the grapevine it's Biden.
-
yes it is Biden
-
This text message thing was a flop. Now they are going to text is at 10am central time. And some reporters already confirmed through the grapevine it's Biden.
how did you determine it was a flop. I got the text and passed it along to 400 of my contacts
-
This text message thing was a flop. Now they are going to text is at 10am central time. And some reporters already confirmed through the grapevine it's Biden.
The majority of Americans weren't watching CNN at 2 AM on a Saturday night.
I was.... lol...
But I'm guessing the VAST majority of text subscribers got it from their cell phones.
-
how did you determine it was a flop. I got the text and passed it along to 400 of my contacts
We all knew it was Biden before the text went out, so from that standpoint it was a flop.
-
We all knew it was Biden before the text went out, so from that standpoint it was a flop.
We? You got a mouse in your pocket, TO?
We = meaning, political junkies who stay up late on a Sat night?
I'm guessing that the slew of college kids who signed up for teh text message weren't glued to cnn like we were, on sat night, waiting for the news to come out.
-
We all knew it was Biden before the text went out, so from that standpoint it was a flop.
Im in atlanta and i got the text at 6am and i texted my friends in LA who got theirs at 3am...
-
Im in atlanta and i got the text at 6am and i texted my friends in LA who got theirs at 3am...
Wow... what time did CNN break it? It wasn't out for the 11 PM EST news. But it was on at 2 am.
If it was just a matter of a few hours in the middle of the night, I'd say it wasn't a *total* failure.
Romney's selection will probably leak early as well.
-
Im in atlanta and i got the text at 6am and i texted my friends in LA who got theirs at 3am...
It was all over the news, with some outlets "confirming" that it was Biden on Friday. The text on Saturday was yesterday's news.
-
It was all over the news, with some outlets "confirming" that it was Biden on Friday. The text on Saturday was yesterday's news.
What time on Friday?
If it was 11:30 PM, you're being a little anal by saying "Yesterday's news!" if only by a half-hour.
I mean, technically it's right. But it's the kinda prissy nitpicking I'd expect from a liberal, not the jawcracking machismo you expect from a republican voter.
-
What time on Friday?
If it was 11:30 PM, you're being a little anal by saying "Yesterday's news!" if only by a half-hour.
I mean, technically it's right. But it's the kinda prissy nitpicking I'd expect from a liberal, not the jawcracking machismo you expect from a republican voter.
What the heck are you talking about boy? ???
-
What the heck are you talking about boy? ???
You're saying "yesterday's news" but it was only by a matter of few hours in the middle of the night, and inconsequential to most people.
I smelled a tad bit of liberal "gotcha!" tactics not seen since, well, what time does COuntdown with keith Olbermann come on?
-
You're saying "yesterday's news" but it was only by a matter of few hours in the middle of the night, and inconsequential to most people.
I smelled a tad bit of liberal "gotcha!" tactics not seen since, well, what time does COuntdown with keith Olbermann come on?
::)
-
Wow... what time did CNN break it? It wasn't out for the 11 PM EST news. But it was on at 2 am.
If it was just a matter of a few hours in the middle of the night, I'd say it wasn't a *total* failure.
Romney's selection will probably leak early as well.
i have no idea when it was broken on news. i got it via text