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September 16, 2008
Why Experience Matters
By DAVID BROOKS
Philosophical debates arise at the oddest times, and in the heat of this election season, one is now rising in Republican ranks. The narrow question is this: Is Sarah Palin qualified to be vice president? Most conservatives say yes, on the grounds that something that feels so good could not possibly be wrong. But a few commentators, like George Will, Charles Krauthammer, David Frum and Ross Douthat demur, suggesting in different ways that she is unready.
The issue starts with an evaluation of Palin, but does not end there. This argument also is over what qualities the country needs in a leader and what are the ultimate sources of wisdom.
There was a time when conservatives did not argue about this. Conservatism was once a frankly elitist movement. Conservatives stood against radical egalitarianism and the destruction of rigorous standards. They stood up for classical education, hard-earned knowledge, experience and prudence. Wisdom was acquired through immersion in the best that has been thought and said.
But, especially in America, there has always been a separate, populist, strain. For those in this school, book knowledge is suspect but practical knowledge is respected. The city is corrupting and the universities are kindergartens for overeducated fools.
The elitists favor sophistication, but the common-sense folk favor simplicity. The elitists favor deliberation, but the populists favor instinct.
This populist tendency produced the term-limits movement based on the belief that time in government destroys character but contact with grass-roots America gives one grounding in real life. And now it has produced Sarah Palin.
Palin is the ultimate small-town renegade rising from the frontier to do battle with the corrupt establishment. Her followers take pride in the way she has aroused fear, hatred and panic in the minds of the liberal elite. The feminists declare that she’s not a real woman because she doesn’t hew to their rigid categories. People who’ve never been in a Wal-Mart think she is parochial because she has never summered in Tuscany.
Look at the condescension and snobbery oozing from elite quarters, her backers say. Look at the endless string of vicious, one-sided attacks in the news media. This is what elites produce. This is why regular people need to take control.
And there’s a serious argument here. In the current Weekly Standard, Steven Hayward argues that the nation’s founders wanted uncertified citizens to hold the highest offices in the land. They did not believe in a separate class of professional executives. They wanted rough and rooted people like Palin.
I would have more sympathy for this view if I hadn’t just lived through the last eight years. For if the Bush administration was anything, it was the anti-establishment attitude put into executive practice.
And the problem with this attitude is that, especially in his first term, it made Bush inept at governance. It turns out that governance, the creation and execution of policy, is hard. It requires acquired skills. Most of all, it requires prudence.
What is prudence? It is the ability to grasp the unique pattern of a specific situation. It is the ability to absorb the vast flow of information and still discern the essential current of events — the things that go together and the things that will never go together. It is the ability to engage in complex deliberations and feel which arguments have the most weight.
How is prudence acquired? Through experience. The prudent leader possesses a repertoire of events, through personal involvement or the study of history, and can apply those models to current circumstances to judge what is important and what is not, who can be persuaded and who can’t, what has worked and what hasn’t.
Experienced leaders can certainly blunder if their minds have rigidified (see: Rumsfeld, Donald), but the records of leaders without long experience and prudence is not good. As George Will pointed out, the founders used the word “experience” 91 times in the Federalist Papers. Democracy is not average people selecting average leaders. It is average people with the wisdom to select the best prepared.
Sarah Palin has many virtues. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she’d be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness.
The idea that “the people” will take on and destroy “the establishment” is a utopian fantasy that corrupted the left before it corrupted the right. Surely the response to the current crisis of authority is not to throw away standards of experience and prudence, but to select leaders who have those qualities but not the smug condescension that has so marked the reaction to the Palin nomination in the first place.
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wrong board thanks
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You can say the same about Obama. What experince does he have. He has less than she does and he is running for President
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wrong board thanks
eat me
and you're welcome
You can say the same about Obama. What experince does he have. He has less than she does and he is running for President
Obama has proven himself over the course of the last 20 months and earned the nomination of his party, fatso.
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eat me
and you're welcome
Obama has proven himself over the course of the last 20 months and earned the nomination of his party, fatso.
You are an illegal fat immigrant, why do you care? You don't even matter here on Getbig why do you try to fit in with politics. WHy don't you jump back over the fence and go back to work at your taco stand. Thanks son. Remember you are here because we need to hit our quota, that's all. Keep that in mind
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Obama has proven himself over the course of the last 20 months and earned the nomination of his party, fatso.
The only reason he's running is because he's black (no I'm not a racist) and everyone bought into his "change" bullshit. Hillary is far more qualified.
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You can say the same about Obama. What experince does he have. He has less than she does and he is running for President
Undergraduate
Obama
-early undergrad at Occidental college, ranked 37th among liberal arts colleges by US News and World Report
-he did well enough to transfer to Columbia, the third most selective Ivy League college, Columbia being only slightly less selective than Harvard and Yale
Palin
-Went to the University of Idaho. While a decent school, it's considered a third tier school by the US News rankings.
Graduate
Obama
Harvard Law School.
-editor of law review in first year based on grades and writing ability. For those of you who are unaware, this essentially marks him as among the smartest and most able in a group full of very smart and able people.
-President of Law review in his second year. First black president of Harvard Law Review. Again, a very prestigious position, and marks him as both a leader, and as someone of exceptional ability.
-Graduated Magna Cum Laude (highest academic honors), again a significant achievement among a group of significant achievers.
Palin
N/A
Objectively then, Obama is either significantly smarter, harder working or both than Palin. His undergraduate education is objectively and provably better. His grad work proves that he was leaps and bounds beyond Palin in terms of intellectual and leadership ability. You don't get to be President of Harvard Law Review by being average, or a shrinking violet.
Advantage: Obama
Work, non governmental:
BIC-1983-1984
NY Public Interest Research Group-1984-85
Developing Communities Project, Director-85-88
University of Chicago School of Law-Constitutional law lecturer, 92-2004
(University of Chicago is ranked 7th among US Law schools. The fact that Obama got emplyment here, and then was able to continue, marks him as someone exptionally smart and able)
Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, 1993-2004, attorney
Palin
with husband in commercial fishing
and a brief stint as a TV reporter
Advantage: Obama His non-governmental work experience is more diverse, and objectively marks him as someone smarter and more able than Palin.
Governmental Experience
Obama
1997-2004 State senator of Illinois' 13th district. That district has nearly 800,000 people in it.
2005-present Illinois Senator
Palin
City councilwoman of Wasilla, a town of 6k, 1992-1996
Mayor of Wasilla, 1996-2004
governor of Alaska, 2006-present. Note that Alaska has 600k people in the whole state.
Advantage: Obama As both senator and state representative, Obama has experience representing more people, and larger districts with larger issues than does Palin.
Honestly, if you were on the search committee for, say, a board of director's position of a fortune 500 company, who would get the nod, Obama or Palin? It's Obama, if you have even a shred of honesty in your body. Given that, why is Palin even in the ballpark as number 2 in line for the Presidency? Don't get me wrong, Sarah Palin has some achievements, and she has a right to be proud of them. But realistically, in any category that matters Obama is better than Sarah Palin.
FOREIGN nations visited:
In August 2005, Obama traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan.The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories. He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya]
So let's see - discounting his campaign trips and meeting with World leaders of UK, Germany, Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan - he has been on official business talking war stuff with the Senate Foreign Relations committe to:
Israel
Kuwait
Iraq
Russia
Ukraine
South Africa
Kenya
Djibouti
Ethiopia
Chad
Jordan
Palestinian territories
Kuwait
Azerbaijan
And Palin once left the USA and visted 1 country.
Think Palin doesn't matter?
Mccain is 72 years old, and has had cancer 4 times.
Mccain smoked 2 packs a day for 25 years.
He has degenerative arthritis.
He's had cataract surgery.
Also, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, he's
Arthritic, has had Vertigo.
He's on 6 different medications including for
Kidneys, cholesterol, sleep, blood clots.
And he's about to enter the most stressful job on Earth?
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Why is everyone comparing one VP candidate to another Presidential candidate. Lets take a look at who is more qualified, Obama or McCain?
I dont even have to post anything, everyone here knows mccain is far more qualified.
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You are an illegal fat immigrant, why do you care? You don't even matter here on Getbig why do you try to fit in with politics. WHy don't you jump back over the fence and go back to work at your taco stand. Thanks son. Remember you are here because we need to hit our quota, that's all. Keep that in mind
You are welcome to join the Politics Board and show us your vast intellect on such matters, Keith. ::) I have been posting there for some time.
Immigrant? Have we met? What exactly is my nationality, fatso? ::)
You calling anyone "fat" is the ultimate oxymoron, Keith. Can you even get out of bed in the morning? You look like fucking Jabba The Hut.
(http://sunbulli.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/jabba.jpg)
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Undergraduate
Obama
-early undergrad at Occidental college, ranked 37th among liberal arts colleges by US News and World Report
-he did well enough to transfer to Columbia, the third most selective Ivy League college, Columbia being only slightly less selective than Harvard and Yale
Palin
-Went to the University of Idaho. While a decent school, it's considered a third tier school by the US News rankings.
Graduate
Obama
Harvard Law School.
-editor of law review in first year based on grades and writing ability. For those of you who are unaware, this essentially marks him as among the smartest and most able in a group full of very smart and able people.
-President of Law review in his second year. First black president of Harvard Law Review. Again, a very prestigious position, and marks him as both a leader, and as someone of exceptional ability.
-Graduated Magna Cum Laude (highest academic honors), again a significant achievement among a group of significant achievers.
Palin
N/A
Objectively then, Obama is either significantly smarter, harder working or both than Palin. His undergraduate education is objectively and provably better. His grad work proves that he was leaps and bounds beyond Palin in terms of intellectual and leadership ability. You don't get to be President of Harvard Law Review by being average, or a shrinking violet.
Advantage: Obama
Work, non governmental:
BIC-1983-1984
NY Public Interest Research Group-1984-85
Developing Communities Project, Director-85-88
University of Chicago School of Law-Constitutional law lecturer, 92-2004
(University of Chicago is ranked 7th among US Law schools. The fact that Obama got emplyment here, and then was able to continue, marks him as someone exptionally smart and able)
Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, 1993-2004, attorney
Palin
with husband in commercial fishing
and a brief stint as a TV reporter
Advantage: Obama His non-governmental work experience is more diverse, and objectively marks him as someone smarter and more able than Palin.
Governmental Experience
Obama
1997-2004 State senator of Illinois' 13th district. That district has nearly 800,000 people in it.
2005-present Illinois Senator
Palin
City councilwoman of Wasilla, a town of 6k, 1992-1996
Mayor of Wasilla, 1996-2004
governor of Alaska, 2006-present. Note that Alaska has 600k people in the whole state.
Advantage: Obama As both senator and state representative, Obama has experience representing more people, and larger districts with larger issues than does Palin.
Honestly, if you were on the search committee for, say, a board of director's position of a fortune 500 company, who would get the nod, Obama or Palin? It's Obama, if you have even a shred of honesty in your body. Given that, why is Palin even in the ballpark as number 2 in line for the Presidency? Don't get me wrong, Sarah Palin has some achievements, and she has a right to be proud of them. But realistically, in any category that matters Obama is better than Sarah Palin.
FOREIGN nations visited:
In August 2005, Obama traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan.The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories. He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya]
So let's see - discounting his campaign trips and meeting with World leaders of UK, Germany, Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan - he has been on official business talking war stuff with the Senate Foreign Relations committe to:
Israel
Kuwait
Iraq
Russia
Ukraine
South Africa
Kenya
Djibouti
Ethiopia
Chad
Jordan
Palestinian territories
Kuwait
Azerbaijan
And Palin once left the USA and visted 1 country.
Think Palin doesn't matter?
Mccain is 72 years old, and has had cancer 4 times.
Mccain smoked 2 packs a day for 25 years.
He has degenerative arthritis.
He's had cataract surgery.
Also, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, he's
Arthritic, has had Vertigo.
He's on 6 different medications including for
Kidneys, cholesterol, sleep, blood clots.
And he's about to enter the most stressful job on Earth?
Thanks for supporting the fact Obama has no political experience to speak of. But at least he travels alot. Maybe he is a travel agent. As a man, did Obama even serve in the military. You would think he should have some experince since he will be the Commander in Chief of our military. And by the way, who paid for all that travel Obama has done.
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All political board.
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Thanks for supporting the fact Obama has no political experience to speak of. But at least he travels alot. Maybe he is a travel agent. As a man, did Obama even serve in the military
Did you make mention of Obama's political experience, Jabba?
I'll leave his Illinois state senate achievements out and just focus on the U.S. senate for your edification. :)
COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS:
Obama holds assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs, and he is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.
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As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.<61>
Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories.
He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.
Obama worked with Russ Feingold (D–WI) to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act", which was signed into law in September 2007.
He joined Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections.
Obama also introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act", a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.<68>
Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.
joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.
Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries. After passing both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, SCHIP was vetoed by President Bush in early October 2007, a move Obama said "shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
THESE ARE BARACK'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE U.S. SENATE TO DATE:
** First legislation, the HOPE Act, which increased Pell Grants to $5100, and later joined Senator Kennedy on the Higher Education legislation that passed July 20, by a vote of 78-18. That legislation also included funding for Predominantly Black Colleges to assist with counseling, tutoring and other needs of low income students. It also creates the Teaching Residency Act which will create a school-based teacher preparation program in high needs schools to provide each teacher with a mentor, content instruction, classroom management skills, a master’s degree and state certification, and a 2 year follow-up program.
**The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006
is an act that requires the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds beginning in fiscal year (FY) 2007 on a website maintained by the Office of Management and Budget.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Funding_Accountabi...
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act
Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.
Signed into Law on January 11, 2007.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/chrisblas...
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/53_17/news/19664-1.html?...
http://www.commonblog.com/story/2007/9/14/164837/331
** The “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-2125
** S116 - Summer Learning demonstration project to provide summer learning grants and encourage new teaching methods.
http://www.pasesetter.org/demonstrationPrograms/nasd.ht...
and this one, moved out of committee just a few days ago:
Obama's Global Poverty Act of 2007, passed out of committee just a few days ago
WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), and Maria Cantwell (D-WA) and Congressman Adam Smith (D-WA) today hailed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's passage of the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), which requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive policy to cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief, and coordination with the international community, businesses and NGOs. This legislation was introduced in December. Smith and Congressman Spencer Bachus (R-AL) sponsored the House version of the bill (H.R. 1302), which passed the House last September.
http://obama.senate.gov /
Amendments, that have all passed:
S.Amdt.159 to S.Con.Res.18 - To prevent and, if necessary, respond to an international outbreak of the avian flu.
S.Amdt.390 to H.R.1268 - To provide meal and telephone benefits for members of the Armed Forces who are recuperating from injuries incurred on active duty in Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom.
S.Amdt.670 to H.R.3 - To provide for Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV) refueling capability at new and existing refueling station facilities to promote energy security and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.
S.Amdt.808 to H.R.6 - To establish a program to develop Fischer-Tropsch transportation fuels from Illinois basin coal.
S.Amdt.851 to H.R.6 - To require the Secretary to establish a Joint Flexible Fuel/Hybrid Vehicle Commercialization Initiative, and for other purposes.
S.Amdt.1362 to S.1042 - To require a report on the Department of Defense Composite Health Care System II.
S.Amdt.1453 to S.1402 - To ensure the protection of military and civilian personnel in the Department of Defense from an influenza pandemic, including an avian influenza pandemic.
S.Amdt.2301 to H.R.3010 - To increase funds to the Thurgood Marshall Legal Educational Opportunity Program and to the Office of Special Education Programs of the Department of Education for the purposes of expanding positive behavioral interventions and supports.
S.Amdt.2605 to S.2020 - Expressing the sense of the Senate that the Federal Emergency Management Agency should immediately address issues relating to no-bid contracting.
S.Amdt.2930 to S.2349 - To clarify that availability of legislation does not include nonbusiness days.
S.Amdt.3144 to S.Con.Res.83 - To provide a $40 million increase in FY 2007 for the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program and to improve job services for hard-to-place veterans
S. Amdt 41 to S. 1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.
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Barack has Written a total of 890 Bills and Co-sponsored Another 1096 since he started serving in the U.S. Senate.
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Obama has been on the Senate Foreign Relations committee for 4 years.
He has read a ton of briefs and intel, met a lot of foreign leaders, and dealt with a lot of info we'll never see. He's traveled the world as part of the senate, and made a lot of decisions which have affected US policy.
Palin can see Russia from her house.
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Hey Blanco this is the only pic I could find on your myspace page. Don't you have any of you in shape
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If you people want another 4 years of George Bush then vote McCain, a dying puppet that would be replaced by Palin ? Do you truly want Sarah Palin running your country when McCain passes.
Obama has truly shown his intelligence and correct decision making simply by choosing Biden.
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do yourself a favour and STOP talking about Palin she is a red herring.
Talk about the issues not this BS.
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Hey Blanco this is the only pic I could find on your myspace page. Don't you have any of you in shape
Feel better, Keith! ;D Remember, you are only supposed to eat ONE Weight Watchers meal at a time, not five washed down with a McDonald's milkshake!
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/Puptruck/bedriddenfor7yrs625lb39yroldJohnKei.jpg)
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You can say the same about Obama. What experince does he have. He has less than she does and he is running for President
He literally has NONE compared to Palin.........it's been proven over and over again!
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He literally has NONE compared to Palin.........it's been proven over and over again!
I've posted Obama's U.S. Senate accomplishments several times on the boards. Feel free to post Palin's over the course of her entire life.
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eat me
and you're welcome
Obama has proven himself over the course of the last 20 months and earned the nomination of his party, fatso.
Who you calling fatso, fasto :D
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Hey Blanco this is the only pic I could find on your myspace page. Don't you have any of you in shape
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=234670.0;attach=274649;image)
Benny, is that stache of yours real????? ;D
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Benny, is that stache of yours real????? ;D
Yeah, obese Keith totally found me out. ::)
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Yeah, obese Keith totally found me out. ::)
You look "great" Benny.
Nothing to be ashamed of ::)
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I've posted Obama's U.S. Senate accomplishments several times on the boards. Feel free to post Palin's over the course of her entire life.
Palin.......29000 state employees, oversees a $12 billion budget, cut 80% of the governors expenses from the last governor and there's a ton more shes done for her state. When I get home, I'll find and list more.
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Palin.......29000 state employees, oversees a $12 billion budget, cut 80% of the governors expenses from the last governor and there's a ton more shes done for her state. When I get home, I'll find and list more.
Please do. Don't forget the $27million in earmarks she took as she runs around with McCain promising to "reform Washington."
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Thanks for supporting the fact Obama has no political experience to speak of. But at least he travels alot. Maybe he is a travel agent. As a man, did Obama even serve in the military. You would think he should have some experince since he will be the Commander in Chief of our military. And by the way, who paid for all that travel Obama has done.
You are slightly retarded aren't you
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Thanks for supporting the fact Obama has no political experience to speak of.
11 years in State and National Senate is no political experience?
Do you even follow politics?
I don't really follow politics much
Oh. Okay.
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You can say the same about Obama. What experince does he have. He has less than she does and he is running for President
Where do you repubublicans come up with this???
Time for FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BIC-1983-1984
NY Public Interest Research Group-1984-85
Developing Communities Project, Director-85-88
University of Chicago School of Law-Constitutional law lecturer, 92-2004
(University of Chicago is ranked 7th among US Law schools.
The fact that Obama got emplyment here, and then was able to continue, marks him as someone exceptionally smart and able)
Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, 1993-2004, attorney
1997-2004 State senator of Illinois' 13th district. That district has nearly 800,000 people in it.
2005-present Illinois Senator representing 13 million
Palin
with husband in commercial fishing
and a brief stint as a TV reporter
City councilwoman of Wasilla, a town of 6k, 1992-1996
Mayor of Wasilla, 1996-2004
governor of Alaska, 2006-present. Note that Alaska has 600k people in the whole state. And does NOT face the same day to day issues most American states do.
PWNED
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Thanks for supporting the fact Obama has no political experience to speak of. But at least he travels alot. Maybe he is a travel agent. As a man, did Obama even serve in the military. You would think he should have some experince since he will be the Commander in Chief of our military. And by the way, who paid for all that travel Obama has done.
Obviosuly you cant read...
Hes been a 'Senator" for 12 years... 8 in state senate and 4 in national senate.
I guess thats "NO POLITICAL EXPERIENCE?"
Some of you republicans really are fucking dumb...
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Obama vs McCain
Obama
8 years state senate
4 years senate
McCain
2 terms house of representatives
On his fourth term in senate
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I've posted Obama's U.S. Senate accomplishments several times on the boards. Feel free to post Palin's over the course of her entire life.
Bottom line is that this stuff doesn't belong on this board, no matter how much posing and posturing you do.
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Obama vs McCain
Obama
8 years state senate
4 years senate
McCain
2 terms house of representatives
On his fourth term in senate
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And? McCains experience in the Senate has done what? War? Kedding 5? Economy? Picking palin? Should I continue?
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Obviosuly you cant read...
Hes been a 'Senator" for 12 years... 8 in state senate and 4 in national senate.
I guess thats "NO POLITICAL EXPERIENCE?"
Some of you republicans really are fucking dumb...
Who said I ws a republican. If I said I was a Democrat am I still dumb. Pretty stupid remark you have to admit. But I forgive you. To tell you the truth I am neither. I am for whoever will make things better. I don't care if it's a commie. If they come in and make this country better and stronger then I am for them. But you have to admit Obama sure does stretch the truth alot to make himself sound better
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Obama has been on the Senate Foreign Relations committee for 4 years.
He has read a ton of briefs and intel, met a lot of foreign leaders, and dealt with a lot of info we'll never see. He's traveled the world as part of the senate, and made a lot of decisions which have affected US policy.
Palin can see Russia from her house.
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epic, boring 2 yr thread..
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10 years after president George Bush and Republicans in Congress pushed forward with tax cuts for the rich Cenk Uygur breaks down the damage.
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i believe that the democrats owned the house and the senate in that period.. so repubs did not "push" nothing through.. it took dems to get that through.. that is just common sense..
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i believe that the democrats owned the house and the senate in that period.. so repubs did not "push" nothing through.. it took dems to get that through.. that is just common sense..
always helps to know of what your talking about before commenting. Dems did not take over the House and Senate until 2006; They lost the House back to the Republicans last November but still contol the Senate, barely....
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Benny pwned again..
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/june_2011/only_24_say_they_share_obama_s_political_views
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Benny's idiot president.
Obama Presses Europe, Pledges Help for Greek Crisis
President Barack Obama on Tuesday urged European countries and bondholders to prevent a "disastrous" default by Greece and pledged U.S. support to help tackle the country's debt crisis.
President Barack Obama
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President Barack Obama
Obama, whose political prospects have suffered from persistently high unemployment and ballooning U.S. debt, has pinpointed the euro zone crisis as one foreign "headwind" hitting the U.S. economy.
After a meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, he stressed the importance of German "leadership" on the issue - a hint that he expects Berlin to help - while expressing sympathy for the political difficulties European Union countries face in helping a struggling member state.
"I'm confident that Germany's leadership, along with other key actors in Europe, will help us arrive at a path for Greece to return to growth, for this debt to become more manageable," Obama said.
"But it's going to require some patience and some time. And we have pledged to cooperate fully in working through these issues, both on a bilateral basis but also through international and financial institutions like the IMF."
A proposal for a second Greek bailout package worth 80 billion to 100 billion euros over three years was taking shape, euro zone sources said.
Merkel, under political pressure at home to avoid being the financial savior for other struggling European countries, said Germany understood its role.
"We've seen that the stability of the euro as a whole will also be influenced if one country is in trouble," she said.
"So we do see clearly our European responsibility and we're shouldering that responsibility, together with the IMF." With U.S. unemployment at 9.1 percent, Obama has blamed outside forces for impeding the economy, including high fuel prices, the earthquake in Japan and the euro zone crisis.
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"America's economic growth depends on a sensible resolution of this issue," he said.
"It would be disastrous for us to see an uncontrolled spiral and default in Europe because that could trigger a whole range of other events."
Reforms, Foreign Policy
Obama said Greece had to make structural reforms and instill greater transparency in its economy.
But his main message was aimed at EU countries - and, by default, wealthy Germany - to step up to help Athens.
"Other countries in the euro zone are going to have to provide them a backstop and support," he said.
"And frankly, people who are holding Greek debt are going to have to make some decisions, working with the European countries in the euro zone, about how that debt is managed." The euro debt problems dominated discussions between Merkel and Obama, who also touched on foreign policy issues such as the wars in Afghanistan and Libya.
Obama welcomed Merkel at a formal ceremony on the White House lawn with firing cannons and military musicians adding to the pomp of an official visit.
Later in the evening Obama and his wife Michelle hosted Merkel and her husband, Joachim Sauer, for a state dinner, where the president awarded her the "Medal of Freedom" - the highest U.S. civilian honor.
Obama noted the event, held open-air in the Rose Garden to take advantage of a warm Washington evening, was the first such state dinner of his presidency for a European leader.
"Tonight we honor Angela Merkel, not for being denied her freedom, or even for obtaining her freedom, but for what she achieved when she gained her freedom," Obama said.
In public the two leaders referred to each other by their first names and joked about looking different from their predecessors.
Obama is the first black U.S. president and Merkel is the first female chancellor of Germany.
Their show of partnership did not mask differences between them - and Libya has been one of those issues in the past.
The United States cautiously endorsed military action in Libya while Germany confounded its NATO partners by refusing to take part.
Obama said he would expect Germany to help once Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was gone and recovery work was needed in the North African country.
He thanked Merkel for Germany's stepped-up support in Afghanistan, which he said had freed up other NATO members to be active in Libya.
Merkel, meanwhile, advocated for French Finance Minister Christine Lagarde to take over the top job at the International Monetary Fund, according to a German delegation source.
The United States has stayed publicly neutral in the race for that post, saying it wants the best candidate to win.
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fucking hell that's right! no bailouts, this ain't failed socialist Europe! (yet..)
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It's the success of free market capitalist nations, like Germany, USA, Sweden etc that keeps the over spending socialist nations like Greece, Spain , Portugal and others afloat with loans and bailouts.
http://supportyourlocalgunfighter.com/2011/06/obama-proposes-another-greek-bailout/
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It's the success of free market capitalist nations, like Germany, USA, Sweden , Finland etc that keeps the over spending socialist nations like Greece, Spain , Portugal and others afloat with loans and bailouts.
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Plus capitalistic China is what is keeping overspending USA floating... for now... :-\
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The sad campaign of the fat, immoral douchebag hits yet another snag. :P
Gingrich senior aides resign
By Chris Cillizza and Karen Tumulty
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich’s presidential campaign imploded Thursday afternoon with virtually his entire senior staff leaving en masse, according to multiple sources familiar with the moves.
“When the campaign and the candidate disagree on the path, they’ve got to part ways,” said Rick Tyler a longtime Gingrich spokesman who was among those who left the campaign today.
Tyler as well as Rob Johnson, Gingrich’s campaign manager, Dave Carney and Katon Dawson, senior strategists to the effort and media consultant Sam Dawson have all stepped aside. Much of his early state operation was also headed for the exits, according to a one senior campaign source.
Several sources said the mass resignation came at a meeting Thursday in Gingrich’s Washington office.
Among the issues was the two week vacation that Gingrich and his wife, Calista, insisted upon taking against the advice of his top political staff. Coming as it did after one of the most disastrous campaign launches in recent memory, it raised questions as to whether Gingrich would be willing to “commit time to the grassroots,” said Tyler.
Gingrich had returned earlier this week and visited New Hampshire but remained largely off the campaign trail.
Carney and Johnson are longtime aides to Texas Gov. Rick Perry who has said in recent days that he is contemplating a run for president himself in 20120. The Carney and Johnson resignations will fuel speculation that Perry is moving toward the race.
It’s not clear how — or whether — Gingrich will remain in the race.
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Yes that's why I put Germany first. But even though not successful at the moment USA still have to pay the bills for failed Nations. And Sweden although socialist healthcare still have free market and the strongest economy in EU at the moment. So they will have to pay.
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Just read about this. One person, no biggee. The whole staff!? Something's really up. Gotta give it to the Republicans - they are really effective as shit slinging opponents, but when they seemingly have an edge, they always seem to hamstring themselves. Interesting times.
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eat me
and you're welcome
Obama has proven himself over the course of the last 20 months and earned the nomination of his party, fatso.
FAIL
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You can't believe in climate change and get the repube nomination. Unacceptable!
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Oxy's aren't addictive either.
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Rush Limbaugh is paid to entertain as is anyone on fox news and on the other side of the coin so is Michael Moorer. Do your research on facts instead of listening to people who care about making money not being elected official who are paid to serve the people.
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Rush Limbaugh is paid to entertain as is anyone on fox news and on the other side of the coin so is Michael Moorer. Do your research on facts instead of listening to people who care about making money not being elected official who are paid to serve the people.
Limbaugh is both comedian/entertainer and the titular head of the republican party. What he says is gospel. Repubes who refuse to bow down and obey do so at their own peril.
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Limbaugh is both comedian/entertainer and the titular head of the republican party. What he says is gospel. Repubes who refuse to bow down and obey do so at their own peril.
With regard to the second half of your supposition, CNN is merely laying down the lines of his crack induced delusion. FTN, 'tard. Take your shit back to democrapic underground, kiddo.
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Do any americans know to think for themselves? Like seriously how retarded are you people to believe that life is sperated into left or right wing thinking? Have any of your morons thought that judging its issue on its own merit instead of made up ideals about party lines has any merits? Idiots.
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fucking hell that's right! no bailouts, this ain't failed socialist Europe! (yet..)
L0L BUT LET'S BAIL 0UT THE BANKS RIGHT. MITT R0MNEY IS THE BIGGEST WALL STREET HYENA 0UT THERE. HE'LL BAIL 0UT THE Z0MBIE BANKS IN A HEART BEAT.
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It's the success of free market capitalist nations, like Germany, USA, Sweden etc that keeps the over spending socialist nations like Greece, Spain , Portugal and others afloat with loans and bailouts.
http://supportyourlocalgunfighter.com/2011/06/obama-proposes-another-greek-bailout/
What the F are you on? Sweden is heavily socialist leaning and always has been.
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it will come back to bite them on the ass because by the time elections are held the car companies will need more money watch and see lol
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Romney will not get the nomination because he is a Mormon. Also, the conservative talking heads are highly-paid entertainers who know exactly what they are doing to get a rise out of people. Half of their audience probably despises them but tunes in anyway. They are the opposites of the Hollywood Left who are quoted on a daily basis as to their political views and opinions.
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If Rush Limbaugh is the head of the republican party then Rachel Maddow is the head of the democratic party (or whoever the fuck they listen to over there).
as someone said, they're just talking heads / paid entertainers.
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What the F are you on? Sweden is heavily socialist leaning and always has been.
this is getbig where people who don't live in the countries they discuss often claim to be biggest experts on the issue.
we have fierce democrat vs. republican debates here, often led by canadians vs. indians, etc.