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What drugs etc. lead to getting huge extended gut like so many bodybuilders have? and how do some pros manage to avoid getting this side effect?
The two biggest guts in history can be seen below.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=235924.0;attach=275667;image)
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overeating.
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Being 300 pounds
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GH
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paul dillet had a relative small waist.
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bad breath
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probably has a hernia the size of a watermelon in there :o
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GH
nope, other peptides
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insulin imo
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Being 300 pounds
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cottage cheese
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What drugs etc. lead to getting huge extended gut like so many bodybuilders have? and how do some pros manage to avoid getting this side effect?
The two biggest guts in history can be seen below.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=235924.0;attach=275667;image)
Forget the guts WTF are they doing? :-X
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you queens make me laugh, you want these guys to be as big as humanly possible but the expect them to have 29 inch waists. ::)
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well paul dillet succeeded in that.
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well paul dillet succeeded in that.
no he didn't, i'll GAURANTEE you his waist was at least 38 inches onstage.
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Another Kamali worship thread, great...
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no he didn't, i'll GAURANTEE you his waist was at least 38 inches onstage.
probably yes but a very small waist dont look good on these guys too.
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you queens make me laugh, you want these guys to be as big as humanly possible but the expect them to have 29 inch waists. ::)
Quaker, you have to admit those guys far surpass even a Ruhl, Yates or Coleman in the gut department and don't look better than them.
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Human Growth Hormone >:(
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Human Growth Hormone >:(
even coleman or Jay or ruhl or yates...or king kamali LOL didn't even have guts THAT BIG though ???
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this is what pro bodybuilding should be about, absolutely ridiculous comic book muscle mass, who cares that he doesn't have a 30 inch waist.
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yeah but a relative big waist is something different than one that extends and looks like shit.
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this is what pro bodybuilding should be about, absolutely ridiculous comic book muscle mass, who cares that he doesn't have a 30 inch waist.
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what happened to bodybuilders making their body look good not gross?
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this is what pro bodybuilding should be about, absolutely ridiculous comic book muscle mass, who cares that he doesn't have a 30 inch waist.
that you, dave?
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what happened to bodybuilders making their body look good not gross?
those guys look good but look like human toothpicks next to this.
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insulin
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those guys look good but look like human toothpicks next to this.
who gives a shit how BIG ronnie was?
as steroids get better, guys will get bigger
does that mean they look better? ::)
someday are we gonna have this guy win the olympia?
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thats art atwood.
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who gives a shit how BIG ronnie was?
as steroids get better, guys will get bigger
does that mean they look better? ::)
someday are we gonna have this guy win the olympia?
you say that because you're 6'6" and 190 pounds soaking wet honestly.
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you say that because you're 6'6" and 190 pounds soaking wet honestly.
whos that pro?
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Food.
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heavy sit-ups.
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overeating.
exactly. the amount of food those guys eat is staggering. the drugs probably don't help either.
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you say that because you're 6'6" and 190 pounds soaking wet honestly.
quakeroats
why do you have such a beef with me?
I'm really in your head
did I fuck your mom and sister too hard or something? :-\
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What drugs etc. lead to getting huge extended gut like so many bodybuilders have? and how do some pros manage to avoid getting this side effect?
It is quite funny to see that you guys really doesn't know that, but don't panic, I can help you. You see, when you take some gear like growth hormone etc., it make your muscles grow. All your muscles, meaning every fuc*king muscle in your body. When your stomach muscle grows thicker by training, part of it (external oblique abdominis) can be seen as a six pack, but that isn't all of it. If you look at the anatomy chart, you find out that there is other muscles as well (diaphragm, internal oblique abdominis, psoas major, psoas minor, pyramidalis, quadratus lumborum, rectus abdominis, transversus abdominis), which grows also. There is muscles even in your intestines, which grows when you use gear, so your abdominal cavity is quite full from all that. When you eat or drink some water, it make your stomack look bloated. On the other hand, with that amount of food these guys consume, your belly stretch out, and it is much harder to control in every situation. When you relax, your stomach start to hang out. So simple. When you take some gear, your body can't point the growth factor just for some places, so your body grows as a whole. You can change some priorities by training, but fact is that your muscles grow even without any exercise. Even your heart muscle grows, which eventually make it weaker, but there is always price for everything...
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Being 300 pounds
I am 300 in these pics and I don't have a big gut. My waist was under 37" at this time.
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I am 300 in these pics and I don't have a big gut. My waist was under 37" at this time.
sorry but 30% bf
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sorry but 30% bf
yea right nice try
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I am 300 in these pics and I don't have a big gut. My waist was under 37" at this time.
what... you think you would have been 250 ripped?
think again..
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big food = big gut ;D
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I am 300 in these pics and I don't have a big gut. My waist was under 37" at this time.
AHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAH
AHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA HAHHAH
AHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH HA
that's you?
AHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH
fucking old obese man
and you bash me? ::) ::) ::) ::)
oh man ;D
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yea right nice try
there is no way you're under 30% bodyfat you fucking fatass
300 pounds? ::)
even if 300 pounds
300* 30% = 90
90 pounds of fat
meaning you have a LBM of 210
count out the water, the fat inside the muscle and you're down to about 190 lbs of lean mass
;D ;D ;D
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I am 300 in these pics and I don't have a big gut.
wrong
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What causes abdominal distension?
Genetics.
But other than that..
IMO.. =
Slin. massive amounts of food. Igf-1. heavy abdominal training (including squats + deads).
In that order.
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wrong
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couldn't have said it better ;D
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big guts in bodybuilders is due to the abuse of insulin. the guts started showing up in the mid 1990s, shortly after bodybuilders starting mixing insulin with gh.
the guts are due to large amounts of visceral fat, fat between the internal organs in the abdomen. (look up things like adipose and omentum in a medical book)
more evidence that its due to insulin is that people on certain HIV meds also develop the protruding stomach, which has been shown to be due to increases in visceral fat, and those meds are known to cause insulin sensitivity.
one interesting side note: people who have gastric bypass surgery often have their omentum removed, instantly removing many pounds of visceral fat. such obese people almost always have type 2 diabetes. Removing the omentum often drastically reduces their need for insulin shots.
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Let me give you an example, when i wake up my stomack is flat, end of the day if i eat much, i get a pot-belly.
It could be the digestive system getting thick? Its not drugs, its a gut thing.
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it's the drugs
why on earth would anybody think it's food? like arnold and the boys only ate breakfast, lunch, and dinner ::)
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Let me give you an example, when i wake up my stomack is flat, end of the day if i eat much, i get a pot-belly.
It could be the digestive system getting thick? Its not drugs, its a gut thing.
people who step on stage for a contest usually haven't eaten much of anything the previous few weeks.
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big guts in bodybuilders is due to the abuse of insulin. the guts started showing up in the mid 1990s, shortly after bodybuilders starting mixing insulin with gh.
the guts are due to large amounts of visceral fat, fat between the internal organs in the abdomen. (look up things like adipose and omentum in a medical book)
more evidence that its due to insulin is that people on certain HIV meds also develop the protruding stomach, which has been shown to be due to increases in visceral fat, and those meds are known to cause insulin sensitivity.
one interesting side note: people who have gastric bypass surgery often have their omentum removed, instantly removing many pounds of visceral fat. such obese people almost always have type 2 diabetes. Removing the omentum often drastically reduces their need for insulin shots.
excellent post, does the excess visceral fat harm your health in any way? if so, like to hear about it.
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permabulkers got big guts
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excellent post, does the excess visceral fat harm your health in any way? if so, like to hear about it.
cut and paste from other sites:
Visceral Fat Vs. Subcutaneous Fat
There are two types of fat: subcutaneous and visceral. Subcutaneous fat is the type found just underneath the skin, which may cause dimpling and cellulite. Visceral fat, on the other hand, is located in the abdomen and surrounding vital organs. It can infiltrate the liver and other organs, streak through your muscles and even strangle your heart; and you can have it even if you appear to be thin.
It is the latter, visceral, fat that is linked to everything from bad cholesterol and hypertension to diabetes, heart disease and stroke.
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Time for a male corset.
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big guts in bodybuilders is due to the abuse of insulin. the guts started showing up in the mid 1990s, shortly after bodybuilders starting mixing insulin with gh.
the guts are due to large amounts of visceral fat, fat between the internal organs in the abdomen. (look up things like adipose and omentum in a medical book)
more evidence that its due to insulin is that people on certain HIV meds also develop the protruding stomach, which has been shown to be due to increases in visceral fat, and those meds are known to cause insulin sensitivity.
one interesting side note: people who have gastric bypass surgery often have their omentum removed, instantly removing many pounds of visceral fat. such obese people almost always have type 2 diabetes. Removing the omentum often drastically reduces their need for insulin shots.
Well, that is one theory but does it float? What I mean is little detail called body fat. What these guys do is that they drop their body fat percentage by dieting, and according to your theory, there is still remarkable amount of fat in their internal organs. How can this happen? When you are dieting, your body cannot burn fat off just some places, and leave it to some other places. That is just about impossible mission to accomplish. You cannot turn your beer belly to six pack just by doing sit ups, because your body doesn't work that way, and this is just same thing. If you are dieting like bb:ers do, your body fat percentage goes down in your whole body, not just in your muscles. What you see on these guys is overgrown stomach muscles, and that's it. Like enormous back and chest, they also have enormous abdomen. Reason why Arnold etc. doesn't have bellies like these, is simple. These days they use more and stronger drugs. Try to imagine Ronnie and Arnold in same competition? Arnold would look like a swimmer compared to him, while Ronnie looks like a dinosaur...
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Its from getting banged in the ass, their intestines ar all pushed up into their stomachs
How is Pops, better?
ta ta
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Its from getting banged in the ass, their intestines ar all pushed up into their stomachs
sounds like you speak from experience Hany. :o
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Well, that is one theory but does it float? What I mean is little detail called body fat. What these guys do is that they drop their body fat percentage by dieting, and according to your theory, there is still remarkable amount of fat in their internal organs. How can this happen? When you are dieting, your body cannot burn fat off just some places, and leave it to some other places. That is just about impossible mission to accomplish. You cannot turn your beer belly to six pack just by doing sit ups, because your body doesn't work that way, and this is just same thing. If you are dieting like bb:ers do, your body fat percentage goes down in your whole body, not just in your muscles. What you see on these guys is overgrown stomach muscles, and that's it. Like enormous back and chest, they also have enormous abdomen. Reason why Arnold etc. doesn't have bellies like these, is simple. These days they use more and stronger drugs. Try to imagine Ronnie and Arnold in same competition? Arnold would look like a swimmer compared to him, while Ronnie looks like a dinosaur...
Generally this is true, however when your body is on a strick diet and you are on comnplete overdrive then the body responds by taking fat from the bodyparts that the body feels it easier to do so from. So in certain cases the upper body continues to get shredded while the lower body is stubborn so once the upper body is completely ripped then the body has no choice but to release bodyfat for fuel from the stubborn bodyparts such as lower back, hams and glutes. I suspect the last place the body will burn bodyfat from is the internal organs.
Causes of big guts, Genetics, insulin, gh, over eating, carb-loading.
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rearranged a bit:
Well, that is one theory but does it float? What I mean is little detail called body fat. What these guys do is that they drop their body fat percentage by dieting, and according to your theory, there is still remarkable amount of fat in their internal organs. How can this happen?
beer bellies are the best example. guys with beer bellies have the huge protruding stomachs, but little or no fat under the skin. why is the stomach protruding? visceral fat in between the internal organs
When you are dieting, your body cannot burn fat off just some places, and leave it to some other places. That is just about impossible mission to accomplish. You cannot turn your beer belly to six pack just by doing sit ups, because your body doesn't work that way, and this is just same thing. If you are dieting like bb:ers do, your body fat percentage goes down in your whole body, not just in your muscles.
exactly true, unless some drug is causing the body to hold onto as much visceral fat as possible. insulin
What you see on these guys is overgrown stomach muscles, and that's it. Like enormous back and chest, they also have enormous abdomen.
and what is the make-up of that extra mass? thicker walls of the intestines? &guy liver? what is causing the growth of this extra material? there is no evidence that GH or any other drug causes the stomach or intestines to thicken or grow
Reason why Arnold etc. doesn't have bellies like these, is simple. These days they use more and stronger drugs. Try to imagine Ronnie and Arnold in same competition? Arnold would look like a swimmer compared to him, while Ronnie looks like a dinosaur...
there were plenty of big guys in the 1950s-80s. plenty of guys who ate massive amounts of food. did plenty of steroids. No protruding stomachs until they started using insulin with the growth hormone.
Bruce Randall got up to 400 pounds to be a super-heavyweight Olympic weightlifter, then dropped down to 190 for bodybuilding. No protruding stomach.
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Is that why you have a giant stomach?
BTW you would be considered fat at an overeaters anonymous meeting, porkyh
calm down Hany don't you have some MRM supplements to push in MD or Bill Willmore to "train" or something? ;D
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Are there any studies into these eyesores or is it simply opinion?
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permabulkers got big guts
And your point is?????????????
I think we are talking about pro bodybuilders here, not permabulker, weight lifter, hobbiest types? Discuss.
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I am 300 in these pics and I don't have a big gut. My waist was under 37" at this time.
Hold on keith, here come the 98 lb haters.
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Hold on keith, here come the 98 lb haters.
You're a bit tetchy aren't you Sheila?
Breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth, relax, it sounds as though you are hideously fat and getting angry won't help your sky high blood pressure.
ta ta
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Causes of big guts, Genetics, insulin, gh, over eating, carb-loading.
surely some bodybuilders prior to the 1990s had the same genetics, over-ate and did carbo loading
Are there any studies into these eyesores or is it simply opinion?
people on certain HIV drugs develop the same protruding stomach. research there suggests its due to those drugs causing insulin sensitivity, exacerbated by the use of GH.
other studies show a high correlation between visceral fat and type 2 diabetes.
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You have a lot of knowledge about the sport, I guess sitting on a lawn chair in my trailer posting on GB, sucking the cream out of twinkies, and rocking back and forth like a retard does have its rewards
twinkies are great Hany, you should give them to some of your guys post workout. ;D
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You have a lot of knowledge about the sport, I guess sitting on a lawn chair in my trailer posting on GB, sucking the cream out of twinkies, and rocking back and forth like a retard does have its rewards
umm, never mind
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surely some bodybuilders prior to the 1990s had the same genetics, over-ate and did carbo loading
people on certain HIV drugs develop the same protruding stomach. research there suggests its due to those drugs causing insulin sensitivity, exacerbated by the use of GH.
other studies show a high correlation between visceral fat and type 2 diabetes.
Could be that a high percentage of Pro's have HIV or bad AIDS (Gay) too then.
I suspect you analysis is more accurate.
How do you know so much about the subject are you in the medical profession? You have given so very good answers imo!
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umm, never mind
hahahhaa, are you insinuating that "pro creator" knows a lot more about the gay community than he's leading on, Tim? ;D
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You're a bit tetchy aren't you Sheila?
Breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth, relax, it sounds as though you are hideously fat and getting angry won't help your sky high blood pressure.
ta ta
So, you are 98lbs?? It was just a generalization there "Mate"! Throw another shrimp on the barbiiiii!
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hahahhaa, are you insinuating that "pro creator" knows a lot more about the gay community than he's leading on, Tim? ;D
no it was more an attempt at self-deprecating humor. alternate replies would be
[homer]mmmm, twinkies[/homer]
or
been there, done that
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So, you are 98lbs?? It was just a generalization there "Mate"! Throw another shrimp on the barbiiiii!
Yeah i'm 98lbs ::)
Who the fuck has shrimps on a BBQ? I think you'd put a sofa on a BBQ if you thought you could gobble it after, you fat slob
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Yeah i'm 98lbs ::)
Who the fuck has shrimps on a BBQ? I think you'd put a sofa on a BBQ if you thought you could gobble it after, you fat slob
................... OoooKkkaayyy 98.
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Haha Fatboy can't even get a homo to support his gay comment. Who has dick on the brain?
that's Mr Homo to you
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surely some bodybuilders prior to the 1990s had the same genetics, over-ate and did carbo loading
I said Genetics because some with good genetics can take insulin and gh and not have a big gut so genetics obviously play a role and the over eating of the past doesn`t remotely come close in comparison to what people eat today as well as loading.
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and the over eating of the past doesn`t remotely come close in comparison to what people eat today as well as loading.
I don't buy it. Of the tens of thousands of bodybuilders prior to the mid 1990s, surely a few of them ate like the top amateur and pros of today. They were carbo loading back then too. then suddenly in the mid 90s most of the top pros developed these guts. now many top amateurs have it.
take away the GH and Insulin, and these guts would disappear.
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Bruce Randall got up to 400 pounds to be a super-heavyweight Olympic weightlifter, then dropped down to 190 for bodybuilding. No protruding stomach.
Just to add, if anyone wants to read more on Bruce Randall you can find more here:
http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2008/08/how-bruce-randall-trained-randall-rader.html .
It also shows the progression pics from close to a 400lber to a 187lber.
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what happened to bodybuilders making their body look good not gross?
i agree...
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It is quite funny to see that you guys really doesn't know that, but don't panic, I can help you. You see, when you take some gear like growth hormone etc., it make your muscles grow. All your muscles, meaning every fuc*king muscle in your body. When your stomach muscle grows thicker by training, part of it (external oblique abdominis) can be seen as a six pack, but that isn't all of it. If you look at the anatomy chart, you find out that there is other muscles as well (diaphragm, internal oblique abdominis, psoas major, psoas minor, pyramidalis, quadratus lumborum, rectus abdominis, transversus abdominis), which grows also. There is muscles even in your intestines, which grows when you use gear, so your abdominal cavity is quite full from all that. When you eat or drink some water, it make your stomack look bloated. On the other hand, with that amount of food these guys consume, your belly stretch out, and it is much harder to control in every situation. When you relax, your stomach start to hang out. So simple. When you take some gear, your body can't point the growth factor just for some places, so your body grows as a whole. You can change some priorities by training, but fact is that your muscles grow even without any exercise. Even your heart muscle grows, which eventually make it weaker, but there is always price for everything...
Jesus, this guy just makes me want to eat lead.
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Massive guts are showing up now at your local state show...Slin looks to be the culprit...
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I am 300 in these pics and I don't have a big gut. My waist was under 37" at this time.
awesome tits on the first one. name?
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awesome tits on the first one. name?
Kristen. Was in Playboy back in 85 or 86 as a Girl from Hooters
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Insulin.
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too many doughnuts
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no he didn't, i'll GAURANTEE you his waist was at least 38 inches onstage.
Wanna bet?
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What drugs etc. lead to getting huge extended gut like so many bodybuilders have? and how do some pros manage to avoid getting this side effect?
The two biggest guts in history can be seen below.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=235924.0;attach=275667;image)
Those 2 blokes stomuchs look Terrible.
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if its insulin why has milos not developed the 'gut' or his athletes ???
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if its insulin why has milos not developed the 'gut' or his athletes ???
you're kidding? right ?
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you're kidding? right ?
no, no gut on hide ???
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I bet the difference between his waist in those two pics is a good six inches. prior to gh and insulin, the pros were able to add significant mass to their legs, chest and arms without increasing the size of their waist.
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(http://bp3.blogger.com/_I09-P7XJc4U/Rp2JZSuD5kI/AAAAAAAABGc/iob4XzjYOeg/s400/worms.jpg)
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you're kidding? right ?
Bro you are right it is gh and insulin, no doubt, but must you be a typical net poster when trying to get your point across, one pic shows Hide with a competition number and the other pic is 10 weeks out in the gym, all are waist are 6 inches bigger off season.
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Bro you are right it is gh and insulin, no doubt, but must you be a typical net poster when trying to get your point across, one pic shows Hide with a competition number and the other pic is 10 weeks out in the gym, all are waist are 6 inches bigger off season.
first, that's not an off season pic, just a few weeks out. But he has abs in the second photo. he's not carrying any significant subcutaneous fat. so it does show he has a lot more visceral fat. its kind of hard for athletes to have little subQ but lots of visceral fat, except with the help of insulin.
in the near future, will it become common for bodybuilders to have surgeries to remove both gyno and their omentum ?
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first, that's not an off season pic, just a few weeks out. But he has abs in the second photo. he's not carrying any significant subcutaneous fat. so it does show he has a lot more visceral fat. its kind of hard for athletes to have little subQ but lots of visceral fat, except with the help of insulin.
in the near future, will it become common for bodybuilders to have surgeries to remove both gyno and their omentum ?
nah. bodybuilders will start wearing corsets. That was Shawn Ray's secret weapon. He would would a corset for the whole off-season.
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first, that's not an off season pic, just a few weeks out. But he has abs in the second photo. he's not carrying any significant subcutaneous fat. so it does show he has a lot more visceral fat. its kind of hard for athletes to have little subQ but lots of visceral fat, except with the help of insulin.
in the near future, will it become common for bodybuilders to have surgeries to remove both gyno and their omentum ?
I"m just massing with you ;D, I hope not (surgery) I just spent 5 grand on gynocamastia surgery ???
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what you talking about big guts
I bet those guys could do a Vacuum better than Frank Zane himself ::)
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(http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6785/pregnantronnie5wi.jpg)
all gut and butt
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It's hard to diet away visceral fat. It just hangs around, even when you're lean.
Can't agree with that. It'll start to go below 15% (yes, I'm guessing). Var has been demonstrated to attack it well.
Tim - Do you mean insulin INsensitivity, not insulin sensitivity? I thought GH promoted insulin insensitivity, which is why lots of guys supplement glucophage?
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insulin and growth will cause big gut at higher doses on any human being particularly human beings on aas..ofcourse prolomged use of atleast a year or 2 is needed,,2months will do nothing