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Are they necessary / beneficial?
When cutting or bulking?
I'm carbing up right now with poppy curd dumplings and red wine (pic available on request).
Discuss.
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I wanna see your tongue down the wine bottle opening.
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red wine = no protein.
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I wanna see your tongue down the wine bottle opening.
perv
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perv
dont hate appriciate
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red wine = no protein.
hence the name of the thread
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post a pic of the wine :D
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wine tastes like shit
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post a pic of the wine :D
BOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!
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BOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!
I want some of that chocolate, what kind is that?
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cheap great tasting wine
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I want some of that chocolate, what kind is that?
Ain't chocolate, it's poppy curd dumplings!
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Ain't chocolate, it's poppy curd dumplings!
oh ...
are you from france?
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Ain't chocolate, it's poppy curd dumplings!
:-X
be a man and eat a deep fried pizza instead.
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yes they are effective but you'll do yourself one better by cutting out the alcohol and following a traditional bb'ing diet before you start worrying about the eccentricities
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:-X
be a man and eat a deep fried pizza instead.
I had one last evening 8)
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oh ...
are you from france?
nopes it's an Austrian dish
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:-X
ever tried them?
they're focking awesome!
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I had one last evening 8)
healthy cusine at its finest 8)
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wine tastes like shit
you gotta be kiddin me
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nice :D
it's only 945 in austria right?
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you gotta be kiddin me
I'd rather drink liquid shit
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nice :D
it's only 945 in austria right?
yep, 9:50 pm right now
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I'd rather drink liquid shit
how old are you son?
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how old are you son?
son?
I'm 27
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son?
I'm 27
Hahahahha, then you're entitled to your opinion of course. :)
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Hahahahha, then you're entitled to your opinion of course. :)
:D
he just lacks taste.
Wine is great
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Hahahaha, I drank a whole bottle of that Californian Red Zinfandel. I'm a little bit tipsy right now. :D
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Did you just take a picture of the fruity meal you just ate? Do you know how many Asian chicks do that and upload that shit to their MySpace and Facebook pages? Homosexual fail.
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Are they necessary / beneficial?
When cutting or bulking?
I'm carbing up right now with poppy curd dumplings and red wine (pic available on request).
Discuss.
Just fucking eat and train, this ain't rocket science. Eat a protein and carbs and some junk every now and then and train heavy
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Hahahaha, I drank a whole bottle of that Californian Red Zinfandel. I'm a little bit tipsy right now. :D
Alcohol ist schlecht fur deine eier! Du zoltest besser wissen! >:(
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Did you just take a picture of the fruity meal you just ate? Do you know how many Asian chicks do that and upload that shit to their MySpace and Facebook pages? Homosexual fail.
:D :D :D
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Alcohol ist schlecht fur deine eier! Du zoltest besser wissen! >:(
Priorities, it's all about priorities. ;D
PS.: Richtig wäre: "Alkohol ist schlecht für deine Eier! Das solltest du wissen!"
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nothing like drinking redwine while watching the sunset
call me gay or whatever but it's awesome :)
Hahaha, exactly!
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If I drink just a few ounces of wine it really fucks me up and gives me a super bad migraine. I cook with it a lot though. I don't know much about it but I always buy relatively expensive stuff (or so I'm told, again, I don't drink it) and fuck does it ever taste good. Saute some mushrooms and onions in it, cook some steak in it... mm... good shit. Even being something with an acquired taste, I just can't picture myself drinking it really.
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Did you just take a picture of the fruity meal you just ate? Do you know how many Asian chicks do that and upload that shit to their MySpace and Facebook pages? Homosexual fail.
dude, he's just sharing and caring :P
since when was discussing meals + food intake homosexual hehe
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If I drink just a few ounces of wine it really fucks me up and gives me a super bad migraine. I cook with it a lot though. I don't know much about it but I always buy relatively expensive stuff (or so I'm told, again, I don't drink it) and fuck does it ever taste good. Saute some mushrooms and onions in it, cook some steak in it... mm... good shit. Even being something with an acquired taste, I just can't picture myself drinking it really.
Cooking with wine is great too, no doubt.
But a glass of wine along with some steak is also great.
All with moderation of course. If I have too much I'm miserable too.
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dude, he's just sharing and caring :P
since when was discussing meals + food intake homosexual hehe
lol I'm just poking fun in Getbig fashion. My gf and I went out with some buddies and her and my friend (really metrosexual, has the most perfect eyebrows and tanned skin you've ever seen), was smiling huge with his girly little salad hahahaha
Maybe I'll blank out their faces and post a picture. It's priceless. The guy is really swole and has a great physique, but it's just so funny. It's such an Asian/girly thing to do. I wasn't making fun of him too seriously, but if he were to throw down a peace sign then the laughs would be rolling in. :))
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lol I'm just poking fun in Getbig fashion. My gf and I went out with some buddies and her and my friend (really metrosexual, has the most perfect eyebrows and tanned skin you've ever seen), was smiling huge with his girly little salad hahahaha
Maybe I'll blank out their faces and post a picture. It's priceless. The guy is really swole and has a great physique, but it's just so funny. It's such an Asian/girly thing to do. I wasn't making fun of him too seriously, but if he were to throw down a peace sign then the laughs would be rolling in. :))
Hahaha, let's just put it this way, I'm no metro. I like food and great wine, that's all. No offense taken. :)
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Hah, no worries. I was gonna throw a gay little smiley face thingy at the end of my post but I was just too lazy lol
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wine...
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;D
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wine...
:-X
;D
;D
I don't care if it's gay, ya french fruit
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it's not gay, it just taste like shit ;D
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it's not gay, it just taste like shit ;D
are you even allowed to drink it yet, stavi?
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Every 5th day clean carbs! Every 10th day cheat day (anything and everything). All I have time for now...teeing off :)
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Every 5th day clean carbs! Every 10th day cheat day (anything and everything). All I have time for now...teeing off :)
does your cheat day include tha booze, coach?
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are you even allowed to drink it yet, stavi?
Of course bro :D
I am 21 so I could drink anywhere in the world but here in canada, we can drink at 18 years old 8)
I tried many times to drink wine but everytime I think it tastes aweful
I always buy some bottles for my mom when I got eat at her house since she enjoys wine a lot.
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Of course bro :D
I am 21 so I could drink anywhere in the world but here in canada, we can drink at 18 years old 8)
I tried many times to drink wine but everytime I think it tastes aweful
I always buy some bottles for my mom when I got eat at her house since she enjoys wine a lot.
a muscle hunk who loves his mom, every man's dream.
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Of course bro :D
I am 21 so I could drink anywhere in the world but here in canada, we can drink at 18 years old 8)
I tried many times to drink wine but everytime I think it tastes aweful
I always buy some bottles for my mom when I got eat at her house since she enjoys wine a lot.
Don't worry, some people take a little longer to develop a taste for the good things in life. ;D
I think at your age I didn't like wine either.
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Again...anything and everything. Even though I don't recommend alcohol, if you must just don't drink to the point you can't train the next day.
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Again...anything and everything. Even though I don't recommend alcohol, if you must just don't drink to the point you can't train the next day.
I agree, as I said, all with moderation.
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Are they necessary / beneficial?
When cutting or bulking?
I'm carbing up right now with poppy curd dumplings and red wine (pic available on request).
Discuss.
Beneficial for what??? I just want to understand your question in context. What are you looking to accomplish by carbing up?
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Do you guys cook with red wine or white wine? I hate drinking it but if it's good to cook with I'll give it a shot.
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Beneficial for what??? I just want to understand your question in context. What are you looking to accomplish by carbing up?
Beneficial for the purpose of bodybuilding = change of body composition towards more muscle and less fat,
compared to consuming the same amount of carbs but equaly distributed.
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bahhahahahhaa ;D
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Do you guys cook with red wine or white wine? I hate drinking it but if it's good to cook with I'll give it a shot.
I use red wine for marinading steak.
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There's not nearly enough information in your original question to get a complete/specific answer.
Based on the information you've provided, the answer would be: No, they are not "necessary" or “beneficial” for bulking or cutting.
The only time they would be “necessary” is if your carbs were low or depleted.
If you're “bulking” your carbs should never be low.
Beneficial for the purpose of bodybuilding = change of body composition towards more muscle and less fat,
compared to consuming the same amount of carbs but equally distributed.
In response to this one, I'm assuming that you are talking about not having equally distributed carbs throughout a period of days (Low days and High days) as opposed to throughout each day.
As carb loading relates to “bulking”, the only truly beneficial time to load would be post- workout (for the insulin response & glycogen replenishment). But a carb loading “day” wouldn't make much sense since your carbs shouldn't be low in the first place.
If all of your glycogen stores are full and you have a loading day, your body will just store the carbs as fat (assuming you are eating above your maintenance level of calories).
As carb loading relates to “cutting”, it is my opinion that you shouldn't have severe low days and high days unless you've already exhausted every other option.
BTW, I'm basing my response assuming a "Natural" Bodybuilder. A Natural bodybuilder would loose too much muscle doing extreme low days & high days, whereas a "Drug" Bodybuilder could get away with a lot more on the extreme low days due to the anabolic/anit-catabolic effects of the drugs. However, I still don't believe a drug bodybuilder should do the low/high days until they've exhausted every other option.
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In response to this one, I'm assuming that you are talking about not having equally distributed carbs throughout a period of days (Low days and High days) as opposed to throughout each day.
As carb loading relates to “bulking”, the only truly beneficial time to load would be post- workout (for the insulin response & glycogen replenishment). But a carb loading “day” wouldn't make much sense since your carbs shouldn't be low in the first place.
If all of your glycogen stores are full and you have a loading day, your body will just store the carbs as fat (assuming you are eating above your maintenance level of calories).
I fully agree.
As carb loading relates to “cutting”, it is my opinion that you shouldn't have severe low days and high days unless you've already exhausted every other option.
BTW, I'm basing my response assuming a "Natural" Bodybuilder. A Natural bodybuilder would loose too much muscle doing extreme low days & high days, whereas a "Drug" Bodybuilder could get away with a lot more on the extreme low days due to the anabolic/anit-catabolic effects of the drugs. However, I still don't believe a drug bodybuilder should do the low/high days until they've exhausted every other option.
I am natural, and I wouldn't do extreme low carb days in any case. What I do on a cut is take a little less in on weekdays and have a high carb/fat day on Sunday. I don't really think that it's necessary but psychologically it's a lot easier to know you can pig out once a week.
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I fully agree.
I am natural, and I wouldn't do extreme low carb days in any case. What I do on a cut is take a little less in on weekdays and have a high carb/fat day on Sunday. I don't really think that it's necessary but psychologically it's a lot easier to know you can pig out once a week.
Didnt you say you were going to start bulking?? Then just eat any and everything (within reason) Not a lot of sweets, etc. Be fat and happy! :D Thats my motto. You will lift a lot heavier to!
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Didnt you say you were going to start bulking?? Then just eat any and everything (within reason) Not a lot of sweets, etc. Be fat and happy! :D Thats my motto. You will lift a lot heavier to!
I know, I know. This Jedi has a lot of experience, even if it doesn't show in his current skinny appearance.
Right now I'm undecided, just trying to maintain as long as I'm injured and can't lift heavy.
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I know, I know. This Jedi has a lot of experience, even if it doesn't show in his current skinny appearance.
Right now I'm undecided, just trying to maintain as long as I'm injured and can't lift heavy.
Experienced you are... I was only suggesting that which you already knew... A jedi mind trick if you will.
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Experienced you are... I was only suggesting that which you already knew... A jedi mind trick if you will.
The older the Jedi gets, the more he makes himself available to the mind tricks of other Jedis. He knows it's not defeat but victory to be tricked by even greater masters than himself.
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The older the Jedi gets, the more he makes himself available to the mind tricks of other Jedis. He knows it's not defeat but victory to be tricked by even greater masters than himself.
Versed you are in the Star Wars philosophy. I think its more of a Sith thing. There can only be two. A master and an apprentice.
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Versed you are in the Star Wars philosophy. I think its more of a Sith thing. There can only be two. A master and an apprentice.
Talking out of my ass I was, bow to my master I do. ;D
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Talking out of my ass I was, bow to my master I do. ;D
DONT FAIL ME AGAIN ..... Lord Wave.
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I fully agree.
I am natural, and I wouldn't do extreme low carb days in any case. What I do on a cut is take a little less in on weekdays and have a high carb/fat day on Sunday. I don't really think that it's necessary but psychologically it's a lot easier to know you can pig out once a week.
That actually helps prevent your metabolism from slowing down due to the consecutive days of reduced calories and kicks it back into high gear.
If I'm working with an athlete for a show and we have to reduce carbs due to a plateau, we still track the calories. For example, let's say we've determined that the athlete needs 2250 calories per day. On a four day cycle (Three days low and One day high) he could not exceed 9,000 calories for the four days (2250 x 4).
He would eat 2000 calories for three days (low carb) and 3000 calories on the forth day (high carb). Total 9,000 calories.
In this model you get the daily benefit of the reduced calories to burn the extra bodyfat and with the addition of the high day, prevent the slowing down of your metabolism due to the extended period of reduced calories.
In my opinion, six days is way too long to go on reduced carbs. The maximum I will allow is four days low before we do a high day.
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That actually helps prevent your metabolism from slowing down due to the consecutive days of reduced calories and kicks it back into high gear.
If I'm working with an athlete for a show and we have to reduce carbs due to a plateau, we still track the calories. For example, let's say we've determined that the athlete needs 2250 calories per day. On a four day cycle (Three days low and One day high) he could not exceed 9,000 calories for the four days (2250 x 4).
He would eat 2000 calories for three days (low carb) and 3000 calories on the forth day (high carb). Total 9,000 calories.
In this model you get the daily benefit of the reduced calories to burn the extra bodyfat and with the addition of the high day, prevent the slowing down of your metabolism due to the extended period of reduced calories.
In my opinion, six days is way too long to go on reduced carbs. The maximum I will allow is four days low before we do a high day.
I like the sound of that :D
I usually do it once a week, so that's every 7 days...6 days low 2000-2200cals 100-150g c & 260-290g p 30g f
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That actually helps prevent your metabolism from slowing down due to the consecutive days of reduced calories and kicks it back into high gear.
If I'm working with an athlete for a show and we have to reduce carbs due to a plateau, we still track the calories. For example, let's say we've determined that the athlete needs 2250 calories per day. On a four day cycle (Three days low and One day high) he could not exceed 9,000 calories for the four days (2250 x 4).
He would eat 2000 calories for three days (low carb) and 3000 calories on the forth day (high carb). Total 9,000 calories.
In this model you get the daily benefit of the reduced calories to burn the extra bodyfat and with the addition of the high day, prevent the slowing down of your metabolism due to the extended period of reduced calories.
In my opinion, six days is way too long to go on reduced carbs. The maximum I will allow is four days low before we do a high day.
OK, thanks a lot for the input! On my current diet, I took in about 1750 cals on weekdays and double that on sunday, getting 2000 cals per day average. Maybe I'll try two high days next time.
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OK, thanks a lot for the input! On my current diet, I took in abaout 1750 cals on weekdays and double that on sunday, getting 2000 cals per day average. Maybe I'll try two high days next time.
You are hardcore NS!
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You are hardcore NS!
NS?
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NS?
National Socialist. :D
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National Socialist. :D
A problem "Deicide"?
;D
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A problem "Deicide"?
;D
Nein, bloss, dass die NS-leute damals bessere Arbeit haetten leisten sollen....
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Nein, bloss, dass die NS-leute damals bessere Arbeit haetten leisten sollen....
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:-\ ???
Mich hast du nie verstanden, Gespenst. Ich lasse es dabei bewenden.
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Mich hast du nie verstanden, Gespenst. Ich lasse es dabei bewenden.
::)
HOW'S IT GOING big GUY ?
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Mich hast du nie verstanden, Gespenst. Ich lasse es dabei bewenden.
Ich kann mir schon vorstellen worauf du hinaus willst.
Andererseits habe ich ja auch nie behauptet irgendwas zu verstehen.
Bist du noch sauer auf mich?
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Ich kann mir schon vorstellen worauf du hinaus willst.
Andererseits habe ich ja auch nie behauptet irgendwas zu verstehen.
Bist du noch sauer auf mich?
Nein, eher gleichgueltig. Man soll vorsichtig mit dem Wort 'Freund' umgehen...
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Nein, eher gleichgueltig. Man soll vorsichtig mit dem Wort 'Freund' umgehen...
Naja, ich bin jedenfalls nicht sauer. :)
Ich hoffe, es geht dir gut mit deinem Studium und allem anderen.
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Are they necessary / beneficial?
When cutting or bulking?
I'm carbing up right now with poppy curd dumplings and red wine (pic available on request).
Discuss.
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Naja, ich bin jedenfalls nicht sauer. :)
Ich hoffe, es geht dir gut mit deinem Studium und allem anderen.
Einen Grund, sauer zu sein, hattest du nie...
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OK, thanks a lot for the input! On my current diet, I took in about 1750 cals on weekdays and double that on sunday, getting 2000 cals per day average. Maybe I'll try two high days next time.
I eat 1750 before noon ;D
I would be a mess eating that low of calories. That takes some serious discipline! Props!!!
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I like the sound of that :D
I usually do it once a week, so that's every 7 days...6 days low 2000-2200cals 100-150g c & 260-290g p 30g f
How long have you been doing that?
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Naja, ich bin jedenfalls nicht sauer. :)
Ich hoffe, es geht dir gut mit deinem Studium und allem anderen.
Der Weinersnitchel
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Der Weinersnitchel
where is your gym onlyme? been 2 years opening and i cant find it anywhere :(
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How long have you been doing that?
I've been on a similar diet since summer, but about a month ago i cut carbs & fat a little lower and upped the protein to the current levels. Finally starting to get somewhere, the high protein did alot, but still along way from ripped.
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Einen Grund, sauer zu sein, hattest du nie...
mag sein.
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I eat 1750 before noon ;D
I would be a mess eating that low of calories. That takes some serious discipline! Props!!!
Well, my maintenance was 2500, so I had to go for an avarage of about 2000 per day. I'm not exactly the mass monster. ;D
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wave who is that in your avatar ?
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wave who is that in your avatar ?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=246366.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=246366.0)
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Der Weinersnitchel
You asked for it ..............
.........BOOOOOOOOOMMMMM MM!!!!!!!!!!!
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what is that large thing covered in batter ?
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what is that large thing covered in batter ?
What what, you don't know Wiener Schnitzel?
Deep fried heaven on earth!
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What what, you don't know Wiener Schnitzel?
Deep fried heaven on earth!
chicken ?
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chicken ?
The original Wiener Schnitzel is pan-fried, breaded veal. The veal is cut rather thin and first put into flour, then eggs and finally breadcrumbs. This coating is much better that any batter, IMO. Finally it's fried in a pan. A Wiener Schnitzel of proper size must not fit the plate it is served on. ;D
There are many variations, e.g. using pork, chicken, or turkey. You can also put cheese and ham between two layers of meat before breading (called "Cordon Bleu"). The one in the picture is actually a pork cordon bleu.
Originally it's not an Austrian dish, it's from Italy where it is called "Piccata Milanese".
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The original Wiener Schnitzel is pan-fried, breaded veal. The veal is cut rather thin and first put into flour, then eggs and finally breadcrumbs. This coating is much better that any batter, IMO. Finally it's fried in a pan. A Wiener Schnitzel of proper size must not fit the plate it is served on. ;D
There are many variations, e.g. using pork, chicken, or turkey. You can also put cheese and ham between two layers of meat before breading (called "Cordon Bleu"). The one in the picture is actually a pork cordon bleu.
Originally it's not an Austrian dish, it's from Italy where it is called "Piccata Milanese".
i think i've had one with cheese and ham in the middle - it was a bit sickening. :-X
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i think i've had one with cheese and ham in the middle - it was a bit sickening. :-X
If it was anything but delicious, I'm sure it was not in Vienna.
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If it was anything but delicious, I'm sure it was not in Vienna.
if i ever visit vienna i'll try one.