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The best running back in the NFL...hands down. Forget LT, forget Westbrook... Peterson is amazing. LT and Westbrook may be better pass catchers, but as far as running the ball, there's nobody I'd rather have in the backfield. If Minnesota ever gets a passing game, they'll be dangerous. And I thought the Vikings should have taken Brady Quinn (who by the way is the next Rick Mirer no matter how good a game he had in his first start). It's a good thing I'm not a general manager.
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Hard to disagree...
He is in a word.....special.
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Great player. Glad I drafted him over Westbrook. :)
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The best running back in the NFL...hands down. Forget LT, forget Westbrook... Peterson is amazing. LT and Westbrook may be better pass catchers, but as far as running the ball, there's nobody I'd rather have in the backfield. If Minnesota ever gets a passing game, they'll be dangerous. And I thought the Vikings should have taken Brady Quinn (who by the way is the next Rick Mirer no matter how good a game he had in his first start). It's a good thing I'm not a general manager.
Matt Cassel = Viking in 2009, bank it. Cassel is turning into a very good player. He outplayed Trent Edwards last week, and has numbers on par with Matt Ryan and Trent Edwards. He will only improve.
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i agree he's incredible, used to love watching him at Oklahoma.
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great for sure but i don't see him having a long career
seems injury prone
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so much easier to game plan against ap...
ill take wb anyday
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great for sure but i don't see him having a long career
seems injury prone
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I can see this he definetly is not an every down back, but you get him into the right situation ala something similar to tennesee or even new orleans and his career becomes not only much more stellar but longer as well.
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If that team had a QB and a consistent passing game, the Vikings would be deadly on offense.
They could bury teams with play action to their WR's or flare passes to AP in the flat.
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Could be,should be,would be...
he's only a couple of years in.lets see how his career develops before we anoint him one of the greats ;)
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dude, if you can't tell that AP has the goods, even in only his second season, then you're not watching football correctly.
This kid has the ability to be an all-time great. But I do agree with him being injury-prone. But that's only because he likes to dish out hits when running with the football. That will change as he gets a little older. He's only 23 and full of piss and vinegar on the football field. He has to be more selective in deciding when to lower his helmet and when to step out of bounds.
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Matt Cassel = Viking in 2009, bank it. Cassel is turning into a very good player. He outplayed Trent Edwards last week, and has numbers on par with Matt Ryan and Trent Edwards. He will only improve.
There goes body88 again, throwing another NE reference in a thread about something totally different.
Any thoughts on AP, Body88? Because I sure as shit don't care about Matt Cassel. :)
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The best running back in the NFL...hands down. Forget LT, forget Westbrook... Peterson is amazing. LT and Westbrook may be better pass catchers, but as far as running the ball, there's nobody I'd rather have in the backfield. If Minnesota ever gets a passing game, they'll be dangerous. And I thought the Vikings should have taken Brady Quinn (who by the way is the next Rick Mirer no matter how good a game he had in his first start). It's a good thing I'm not a general manager.
better than westbrook?
i dunno about that.
he has the ability to be the best running back in the league, there is little doubt about that. he's a good combination of scat and a guy who isn't afraid to punish you at the end of a run.
if you look at him from a utility standpoint, i would have to say westbrook is the best back in the NFL, possibly one of the best players in the NFL. he's a guy that makes his whole team better. when he plays the eagles win. when he doesn't they lose, and it isn't because they lack players at the skilled positions like minnisota.
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I can see this he definetly is not an every down back, but you get him into the right situation ala something similar to tennesee or even new orleans and his career becomes not only much more stellar but longer as well.
his running style may have an impact on his longevity.
he doesn't run downhill like a marion barber, but isn't shy of contact.
his style reminds me alot of chris dickerson, very upright and mobile, not compact like say an emmitt smith.
i agree with UITG- if they could line him up and have a qb who could make completions it would lengthen his career considerably and make him a more versatile weapon out of the back field.
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There goes body88 again, throwing another NE reference in a thread about something totally different.
Any thoughts on AP, Body88? Because I sure as shit don't care about Matt Cassel. :)
Actually I said Cassel would be a good choice for the Vikings as a starting qb, when another poster talked about how they needed a passing game. Not to concerned with what you care for my friend :) Derek Anderson or Cassel will turn the Vikes into a contender in 09.
I have said Peterson was a monster since day one. He runs a little high, but he is so gifted that he can overpower most players who try to tackle him. He is the complete package. Peterson has to run a little high to run the way he does.....he trucks people.
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AP reminds me of Terrel Davis, a former Bronco
Hardnosed, breaks tackles but hits homeruns when given space.
I love it, but give him 6-7years max.
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Westbrook and AP are both fantastic RB's but in my opinion you have to go out and do it game after game,year after year to be considered great.
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Brandon Jacobs though is the most punishing and bruising back since Tony Dorsett..
G-MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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better than westbrook?
Ya i do think he's more of an impact player than Westbrook; the most special RB now. Reminds me of OJ more than TDavis. Only the injury potential's gonna limit him, just as Terrell Davis and Bo were actually the 2 best backs of the last 2 decades or so but couldn't avoid injury. Both of those guys actually had more impact on games than others who got more hype because they had longer careers.
Westbrook and AP are both fantastic RB's but in my opinion you have to go out and do it game after game,year after year to be considered great.
Hard to say; Gale Sayers, Bo and T Davis were top 10 all-time and great without having long careers. Of course longevity's part of it but then again there were some RBs with longevity and very good numbers who weren't great.
One of THE top RBs in the NFL right now doesn't even play much, Ahmed Bradshaw of the Giants, due to other players in front of him and off-field hijinks he's been involved with.
Cassel would be a very good acquisition by another team but i don't see NE willing to give him up any time soon unless forced to. Vikings should've addressed the QB situation sooner, have to get someone at least competent to have a decent shot in future.
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Actually I said Cassel would be a good choice for the Vikings as a starting qb, when another poster talked about how they needed a passing game. Not to concerned with what you care for my friend :) Derek Anderson or Cassel will turn the Vikes into a contender in 09.
I have said Peterson was a monster since day one. He runs a little high, but he is so gifted that he can overpower most players who try to tackle him. He is the complete package. Peterson has to run a little high to run the way he does.....he trucks people.
take it easy. I was just busting balls. As Paulie Walnuts would say, "don't get cunty!"
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Ya i do think he's more of an impact player than Westbrook; the most special RB now. Reminds me of OJ more than TDavis. Only the injury potential's gonna limit him, just as Terrell Davis and Bo were actually the 2 best backs of the last 2 decades or so but couldn't avoid injury. Both of those guys actually had more impact on games than others who got more hype because they had longer careers.
Hard to say; Gale Sayers, Bo and T Davis were top 10 all-time and great without having long careers. Of course longevity's part of it but then again there were some RBs with longevity and very good numbers who weren't great.
Cassel would be a very good acquisition by another team but i don't see NE willing to give him up any time soon unless forced to.
you have to look at why he is more of an impact player than westbrook- it isn't his skill set, which is great- i'm not debating that- it's the franchise he plays that makes his impact seem that much more noticeable than other backs around the league.
basically, he's the franchise right now- the only skill position player of note on that team, so most definitely he is making a huge impact in minnesota.
as for cassels i agree with you. NE won't get rid of him any time soon. he knows the system, can proven he can play in it and has shown his value. what they could get for him doesn't outweigh the fact you have a good QB tandem in NE now. injuries around the league have proven the worth of a back- up quarterback who can come in and manage games. cassel's value to NE in those roles far exceeds what they could get for him on a open market.
and truthfully, i don't think he is good enough yet to start in this league for a team that doesn't have the system built around him the way NE does. he's played 9 games for a team that has won 3 superbowls in 4 years, that should have won the superbowl last year, and set another record for going 16-0 a feat we'll prolly never see duplicate in this lifetime- and now people believe he's good enough to start in the NFL next year? please...
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you have to look at why he is more of an impact player than westbrook- it isn't his skill set, which is great- i'm not debating that- it's the franchise he plays that makes his impact seem that much more noticeable than other backs around the league.
Actually i think he's both more of an impact player AND has better skills. He reminds of OJ in being naturally able to put big-time space between he and defenders rather effortlessly. Westbrook's superb, a star but not quite a superstar IMO.
as for cassels, i don't think he is good enough yet to start in this league for a team that doesn't have the system built around him the way NE does. and now people believe he's good enough to start in the NFL next year? please...
It's speculation to assume that a player's performance is mainly due to a system when in fact the guy's skills and the system are intertwined and impossible to separate.
Secondly, once in a system a good QB's typically going to import that system mentality and performance to any subsequent team he goes to, regardless of whether the new team's schemes are different.
Bottom line he's already at least in the middle of the pack of NFL QBs or higher, that's the reality. Because rrelatively few NFL QBs are really that good, there's more crap QBs starting for various teams than really good ones. IMO he could already outdo plenty of the crap, couldn't play as bad as some of the starters. Don't glorify the position of "starting NFL QB" when in fact there's always been plenty of examples of poor ones starting. The poor ones can even have rather long careers relative to their skills thanks to a dearth of good ones in the league.
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his style reminds me alot of chris dickerson, very upright and mobile, not compact like say an emmitt smith.
you mean eric dickerson? but yeah i agree w/ you.
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Actually i think he's both more of an impact player AND has better skills. He reminds of OJ in being naturally able to put big-time space between he and defenders rather effortlessly. Westbrook's superb, a star but not quite a superstar IMO.
It's speculation to assume that a player's performance is mainly due to a system when in fact the guy's skills and the system are intertwined and impossible to separate.
Secondly, once in a system a good QB's typically going to import that system mentality and performance to any subsequent team he goes to, regardless of whether the new team's schemes are different.
Bottom line he's already at least in the middle of the pack of NFL QBs or higher, that's the reality. Because rrelatively few NFL QBs are really that good, there's more crap QBs starting for various teams than really good ones. IMO he could already outdo plenty of the crap, couldn't play as bad as some of the starters. Don't glorify the position of "starting NFL QB" when in fact there's always been plenty of examples of poor ones starting. The poor ones can even have rather long careers relative to their skills thanks to a dearth of good ones in the league.
right- it isn't the team then- it's the QB.
so cassel would have san fransico at 6-3 or oakland at 6-3.
the only reason NE is at 6-3 isn't because of cassel but because of NE. this is inarguable.
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you mean eric dickerson? but yeah i agree w/ you.
lol. yeah, him too :)
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right- it isn't the team then- it's the QB.
so cassel would have san fransico at 6-3 or oakland at 6-3.
the only reason NE is at 6-3 isn't because of cassel but because of NE. this is inarguable.
Again you're making simplistic black and white assumptions. To repeat, you can't separate the team from the player, it's both. Therefore you can't assume that he would or wouldn't do well elsewhere, and to then make the jump that the record should be the same on an entirely different team is absurd.
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Again you're making simplistic black and white assumptions. To repeat, you can't separate the team from the player, it's both. Therefore you can't assume that he would or wouldn't do well elsewhere, and to then make the jump that the record should be the same on an entirely different team is absurd.
Speak English please...
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Cassel would be a very good acquisition by another team but i don't see NE willing to give him up any time soon unless forced to. Vikings should've addressed the QB situation sooner, have to get someone at least competent to have a decent shot in future.
New England won't have a choice... Cassel is a free agent after this season. Unless they franchise him and I don't see that happening. Besides they would probably let him go anyway to avoid any kind of QB controversy in case Brady doesn't come back 100%
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New England won't have a choice... Cassel is a free agent after this season. Unless they franchise him and I don't see that happening. Besides they would probably let him go anyway to avoid any kind of QB controversy in case Brady doesn't come back 100%
Even with Brady healthy (a big if given the infection) i think they go out of their way now to hold him.
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Even with Brady healthy (a big if given the infection) i think they go out of their way now to hold him.
i dont think brady will be the same qb. it took McNabb a few years to recover. Brady was not mobile before the injury he'll be even less so after.
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i dont think brady will be the same qb. it took McNabb a few years to recover. Brady was not mobile before the injury he'll be even less so after.
Yes - maybe only like 40TDs and 3700yards, a 20% decline...
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i dont think brady will be the same qb. it took McNabb a few years to recover. Brady was not mobile before the injury he'll be even less so after.
I totally agree with you about his injury. This has been a difficult rehab because of his choosing another surgeon other than NE's recommended doctor. That knee might never be the same. I hope I'm wrong because I love watching great players play.
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Just to let you guys know Brady was walking Gisele's dog in Boston last week. The infection you are talking about was a staph infection that is pretty common post surgery. Not to say it was not a big deal, but according to Mike Reiss of the Boston globe Brady will be fine, and is on track to be back by next year. Also, Brady did not have the same injury as Carson Palmer or Mcnabb. Palmer has knee cap damage and also tore his Lateral Meniscus, as well as his MCL and PCL. Mcnabb has an injury along the same lines. Both those injuries were worse than what Brady did. Further more, Brady is not a mobile qb, and he shuffles in the pocket, this injury will effect him far less than an athlete who cuts and shifts. I say he will be fine. Brady was never mobile in any sense. he shuffles and steps up. what makes him so good is his sense of pressure, and his diagnosis of a defense the second he sees it, that has little to do with knee movement.
Hush-hush reports say Brady had minor damage to the PCL ( which they let heal on its own), and he tore his ACL. I tore my ACL in college, and I recovered fine. If Brady was a Rb then I might agree, but Brady literally is the master at stepping up in the pocket, and this injury is not going to effect that much - imo.
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right- it isn't the team then- it's the QB.
so cassel would have san fransico at 6-3 or oakland at 6-3.
the only reason NE is at 6-3 isn't because of cassel but because of NE. this is inarguable.
Of course it is, NE as over 11 starters on ir or injured. The team is a shell of what it was last year. Look at the secondary! Cassel had 400 yards passing, 60 yards rushing, 3 td's and no ints after his 9th NFL start. Of course he would make the teams you listed better. He will only improve.
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I totally agree with you about his injury. This has been a difficult rehab because of his choosing another surgeon other than NE's recommended doctor. That knee might never be the same. I hope I'm wrong because I love watching great players play.
Debatable whether the choice of surgeon would've made any difference in terms of recovery, even using a different sequence of surgeries. Infections are common and the knee is responding to medications so far.
Still plenty of time to recover, and ya he doesn't run too much thus it shouldn't be as much of an issue as with some other players.
As i've said before and as one of the retired announcer QBs also pointed out, he needs to be wearing a knee brace from now on-on both knees IMO. Mobility will be reduced but with a pocket passer it's not a huge difference and can be worked around.
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Debatable whether the choice of surgeon would've made any difference in terms of recovery, even using a different sequence of surgeries. Infections are common and the knee is responding to medications so far.
Still plenty of time to recover, and ya he doesn't run too much thus it shouldn't be as much of an issue as with some other players.
As i've said before and as one of the retired announcer QBs also pointed out, he needs to be wearing a knee brace from now on-on both knees IMO. Mobility will be reduced but with a pocket passer it's not a huge difference and can be worked around.
I agree. Andrews was the Doctor the pats wanted Brady to go with, but Brady chose Dr. Neal ElAttracherady, who literally wrote the book on reconstructive knee surgery. Further more, Andrews and Neal regularly consult with one another regarding the surgeries that they do. Brady's infection was from bad luck, not from a poor choice in a Doctor. According to the latest reports, Brady is doing well on the antibiotics, and will not require the reconstructed ligament to be replaced.
I think ESPN is hyping this whole thing up more than it should be. Brady was one of the most immobile qb's out there before the hit, and this surgery is not going to effect his ability to shuffle and step up. Brady at 90% is better than everyone in the NFL (other than Manning), anyway. Lots of qb's have physical skill, most dont have the mental ability and quick release that Tom brady has. Thats what makes him what he is. Snap-Read-Defensive read-throw.....faster than anyone in the NFL.
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Brady's infection was from bad luck.
Apparently infections are common post-surgery. The real bad luck would be if the antibiotics didn't work, necessitating further surgery. To date that hasn't been required.
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Apparently infections are common post-surgery. The real bad luck would be if the antibiotics didn't work, necessitating further surgery. To date that hasn't been required.
Yes, I was unaware of how common staph infections are around America. I would have been worried if the ligament had to come out, but it didn't so it looks like things will be fine. I tell you what though, I hope the pats find a way to keep Cassel......at least we could get a nice draft pick for him. If he keeps playing the way he is playing, they just might franchise him and trade him off. Team like the 49ers, the lions and the Vikings would be salivating to bring a "ready-to-go" franchise QB.
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this is ridiculous...
do you guys watch football? if so, can you separate the love of your favourite football team from reality?
to suggest matt cassel would have san fransico playing at a higher level, or oakland playing at a higher level is laughable.
there are AT LEAST 15-20 quarterbacks i can think of i'd rather build a franchise around and have on my team.
matt cassel isn't one of them.
but maybe that's because i can look at all of this objectively.
:)
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this is ridiculous...
do you guys watch football? if so, can you separate the love of your favourite football team from reality?
to suggest matt cassel would have san fransico playing at a higher level, or oakland playing at a higher level is laughable.
there are AT LEAST 15-20 quarterbacks i can think of i'd rather build a franchise around and have on my team.
matt cassel isn't one of them.
but maybe that's because i can look at all of this objectively.
:)
Based on your "superior knowledge" and self-described "objectivity" i'd say you're well-qualified to follow Matt Millen in Detroit LOL your vast wealth of knowledge and rock-solid judgement is badly needed there.
Who said anything about playing at a higher level with another team? Not I, genius. You're truly an easy-reader and whatever drugs you're on i want some, they're damn good.
NE's not necessarily my favorite team, wrong interpretation once again. ::) Because of your warped point of view you misinterpret anything said that is positive about them as too much. Amusing; keep it comin U R a real gem. :P
Hope this helps.
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Yes - maybe only like 40TDs and 3700yards, a 20% decline...
if you say so beefcake
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Based on your "superior knowledge" and self-described "objectivity" i'd say you're well-qualified to follow Matt Millen in Detroit LOL your vast wealth of knowledge and rock-solid judgement is badly needed there.
Who said anything about playing at a higher level with another team? Not I, genius. You're truly an easy-reader and whatever drugs you're on i want some, they're damn good.
NE's not necessarily my favorite team, wrong interpretation once again. ::) Because of your warped point of view you misinterpret anything said that is positive about them as too much. Amusing; keep it comin U R a real gem. :P
Hope this helps.
dear sweetheart,
i thank you for acknowledging my superior knowledge on this topic in comparison to yours, however it is not needed- i knew that i was in far better shape to debate this the moment i read some of your original posts.
i meerly suggested that perhaps being a fan of the patriots may have led to an over-abundance of support for cassel's on this thread- after all, how else do you explain such an outpouring of love and emotion for a guy who has only started 10 games since highschool, yet you claim he is now one of the top 15 quarterbacks in the league.
Bottom line he's already at least in the middle of the pack of NFL QBs or higher, that's the reality.
i should find all of this rather befuddling, but of course now that i see how well you know the game, it doesn't surprise me
why don't you try watching football one day. it really is an engrossing sport. then after you have formed opinions based on objectivity and rational thought you can come back here and join in the discussions without making yourself look the fool- which i might add you are quite competent at.
congratulations on that.
;)
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this is ridiculous...
do you guys watch football? if so, can you separate the love of your favourite football team from reality?
to suggest matt cassel would have san fransico playing at a higher level, or oakland playing at a higher level is laughable.
there are AT LEAST 15-20 quarterbacks i can think of i'd rather build a franchise around and have on my team.
matt cassel isn't one of them.
but maybe that's because i can look at all of this objectively.
:)
Then you don't' know what you are talking about. Matt Cassel had his tenth start of the season last year, and is ranked in the top 8 qb's in the NFL state wise. You cant name 8 qb's who have better numbers than Matt Cassel right now. You wouldn't want to build your team around a 6'5 240 kid, who can pass for over 400 yards, rush for over 60 yards, and be ranked in among the best qb's in the NFL in only his tenth start?
You will be proven wrong in the offseason when one of the teams are are talking about gives Cassel 40 million. Cassel has far better numbers and poise than Jamarcus Russull of that bum starting in San Fran. Pumpster is far from a homer...we argue all the time.
1 Drew Brees NO QB 241 362 66.6 40.2 2,985 8.2 331.7 17 10 127 35.1 84T 40 12 8 96.1
2 Kurt Warner ARI QB 238 337 70.6 37.4 2,760 8.2 306.7 19 6 135 40.1 79T 28 6 16 106.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 211 342 61.7 38.0 2,616 7.6 290.7 18 11 120 35.1 93T 34 5 6 89.5
4 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 199 324 61.4 36.0 2,372 7.3 263.6 13 5 112 34.6 90T 33 6 13 90.7
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 176 270 65.2 30.0 2,354 8.7 261.6 21 8 112 41.5 67 34 9 12 106.3
6 Peyton Manning IND QB 204 334 61.1 37.1 2,248 6.7 249.8 15 9 111 33.2 75 24 4 11 84.8
7 Brett Favre NYJ QB 220 315 69.8 31.5 2,237 7.1 223.7 18 12 117 37.1 56T 23 7 19 93.0
8 Matt Cassel NE QB 208 316 65.8 31.6 2,200 7.0 220.0 10 7 107 33.9 66T 18 3 32 87.3
8 Chad Pennington MIA QB 185 278 66.5 30.9 2,200 7.9 244.4 8 5 105 37.8 80T 24 5 15 92.6
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dear sweetheart,
i thank you for acknowledging my superior knowledge on this topic in comparison to yours, however it is not needed- i knew that i was in far better shape to debate this the moment i read some of your original posts.
i meerly suggested that perhaps being a fan of the patriots may have led to an over-abundance of support for cassel's on this thread- after all, how else do you explain such an outpouring of love and emotion for a guy who has only started 10 games since highschool, yet you claim he is now one of the top 15 quarterbacks in the league.
i should find all of this rather befuddling, but of course now that i see how well you know the game, it doesn't surprise me
why don't you try watching football one day. it really is an engrossing sport. then after you have formed opinions based on objectivity and rational thought you can come back here and join in the discussions without making yourself look the fool- which i might add you are quite competent at.
congratulations on that.
;)
Actually its top 8 according to NFL.COM:
1 Drew Brees NO QB 241 362 66.6 40.2 2,985 8.2 331.7 17 10 127 35.1 84T 40 12 8 96.1
2 Kurt Warner ARI QB 238 337 70.6 37.4 2,760 8.2 306.7 19 6 135 40.1 79T 28 6 16 106.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 211 342 61.7 38.0 2,616 7.6 290.7 18 11 120 35.1 93T 34 5 6 89.5
4 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 199 324 61.4 36.0 2,372 7.3 263.6 13 5 112 34.6 90T 33 6 13 90.7
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 176 270 65.2 30.0 2,354 8.7 261.6 21 8 112 41.5 67 34 9 12 106.3
6 Peyton Manning IND QB 204 334 61.1 37.1 2,248 6.7 249.8 15 9 111 33.2 75 24 4 11 84.8
7 Brett Favre NYJ QB 220 315 69.8 31.5 2,237 7.1 223.7 18 12 117 37.1 56T 23 7 19 93.0
8 Matt Cassel NE QB 208 316 65.8 31.6 2,200 7.0 220.0 10 7 107 33.9 66T 18 3 32 87.3
8 Chad Pennington MIA QB 185 278 66.5 30.9 2,200 7.9 244.4 8 5 105 37.8 80T 24 5 15 92.6
The stats don't lie brother...nor does the fact that Matt Cassel outplayed Trent Edwards and Brett Farve over the last two weeks. Cassel threw for over 400 yards. rushed for sixty yards and threw three td's vs a top d in the NFL last night. Just accept your wrong and admit the mistake. You don't have to like Cassel, but your posts are horribly inaccurate and incorrect when talking about him.
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Actually its top 8 according to NFL.COM:
1 Drew Brees NO QB 241 362 66.6 40.2 2,985 8.2 331.7 17 10 127 35.1 84T 40 12 8 96.1
2 Kurt Warner ARI QB 238 337 70.6 37.4 2,760 8.2 306.7 19 6 135 40.1 79T 28 6 16 106.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 211 342 61.7 38.0 2,616 7.6 290.7 18 11 120 35.1 93T 34 5 6 89.5
4 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 199 324 61.4 36.0 2,372 7.3 263.6 13 5 112 34.6 90T 33 6 13 90.7
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 176 270 65.2 30.0 2,354 8.7 261.6 21 8 112 41.5 67 34 9 12 106.3
6 Peyton Manning IND QB 204 334 61.1 37.1 2,248 6.7 249.8 15 9 111 33.2 75 24 4 11 84.8
7 Brett Favre NYJ QB 220 315 69.8 31.5 2,237 7.1 223.7 18 12 117 37.1 56T 23 7 19 93.0
8 Matt Cassel NE QB 208 316 65.8 31.6 2,200 7.0 220.0 10 7 107 33.9 66T 18 3 32 87.3
8 Chad Pennington MIA QB 185 278 66.5 30.9 2,200 7.9 244.4 8 5 105 37.8 80T 24 5 15 92.6
The stats don't lie brother...nor does the fact that Matt Cassel outplayed Trent Edwards and Brett Farve over the last two weeks. Cassel threw for over 400 yards. rushed for sixty yards and threw three td's vs a top d in the NFL last night. Just accept your wrong and admit the mistake. You don't have to like Cassel, but your posts are horribly inaccurate and incorrect when talking about him.
you are saying that cassel's is the 8th best quarterback in the NFL, is that correct?
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if you say so beefcake
Meaning, even if he ain't the QB he used to be, ( his 2008 stats minus 20%) he's still pretty good.
Dunno, he might be better than he was. He'll be 4-6weeks behind normal acl recovery because of that pcl tear. Still, how long did it take for Carson Palmer to be ok? 6months.
Hes got time.
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Then you don't' know what you are talking about. Matt Cassel had his tenth start of the season last year, and is ranked in the top 8 qb's in the NFL state wise. You cant name 8 qb's who have better numbers than Matt Cassel right now. You wouldn't want to build your team around a 6'5 240 kid, who can pass for over 400 yards, rush for over 60 yards, and be ranked in among the best qb's in the NFL in only his tenth start?
You will be proven wrong in the offseason when one of the teams are are talking about gives Cassel 40 million. Cassel has far better numbers and poise than Jamarcus Russull of that bum starting in San Fran. Pumpster is far from a homer...we argue all the time.
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no, you will be proven wrong when NE fails to make the playoffs, or if they by luck do make it, gets bounced out of the first round and cassel's toils for the rest of his very short career in the NFL as the guy who played behind tom brady.
he will not even be a footnote in NFL history.
you do realise, outside the shell of getbig, that if you were to make the kind of statements regarding cassel's you make on here on any football forum online you'd be a laughing stock, right?
NOBODY in their right mind would say cassel's is one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL.
lol.
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Meaning, even if he ain't the QB he used to be, ( his 2008 stats minus 20%) he's still pretty good.
Dunno, he might be better than he was. He'll be 4-6weeks behind normal acl recovery because of that pcl tear. Still, how long did it take for Carson Palmer to be ok? 6months.
Hes got time.
yeah. true 20% less is still more than the majority of the qb's. forgot about Carson, it took him the off season. i hate to see a guy lose any part of his career even if its Tom Brady. i feel bad for Carson though.
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you are saying that cassel's is the 8th best quarterback in the NFL, is that correct?
No, the stats aer saying it. Right now over 10 games, Matt Cassel is a top ten QB in the NFL. Even more impressive is the fact that he has only played 10 games since highschool. Anyone with a brain can see he has potential. Actually its top 8 according to NFL.COM:
1 Drew Brees NO QB 241 362 66.6 40.2 2,985 8.2 331.7 17 10 127 35.1 84T 40 12 8 96.1
2 Kurt Warner ARI QB 238 337 70.6 37.4 2,760 8.2 306.7 19 6 135 40.1 79T 28 6 16 106.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 211 342 61.7 38.0 2,616 7.6 290.7 18 11 120 35.1 93T 34 5 6 89.5
4 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 199 324 61.4 36.0 2,372 7.3 263.6 13 5 112 34.6 90T 33 6 13 90.7
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 176 270 65.2 30.0 2,354 8.7 261.6 21 8 112 41.5 67 34 9 12 106.3
6 Peyton Manning IND QB 204 334 61.1 37.1 2,248 6.7 249.8 15 9 111 33.2 75 24 4 11 84.8
7 Brett Favre NYJ QB 220 315 69.8 31.5 2,237 7.1 223.7 18 12 117 37.1 56T 23 7 19 93.0
8 Matt Cassel NE QB 208 316 65.8 31.6 2,200 7.0 220.0 10 7 107 33.9 66T 18 3 32 87.3
8 Chad Pennington MIA QB 185 278 66.5 30.9 2,200 7.9 244.4 8 5 105 37.8 80T 24 5 15 92.6
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no, you will be proven wrong when NE fails to make the playoffs, or if they by luck do make it, gets bounced out of the first round and cassel's toils for the rest of his very short career in the NFL as the guy who played behind tom brady.
he will not even be a footnote in NFL history.
you do realise, outside the shell of getbig, that if you were to make the kind of statements regarding cassel's you make on here on any football forum online you'd be a laughing stock, right?
NOBODY in their right mind would say cassel's is one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL.
lol.
You're an idiot. I said the stats say he is a top qb in the NFL right now (which they do). I post on many football forums, and anyone with half a brain would take a QB who plays like Cassel has over his first 10 starts. Look how much money Jarmarcus Russel makes, and he sucks! Ob Cassel is going to get better and improve with time. I have shown you with stats and facts why you are wrong, yet you continue to act like a bafoon. You're not worth arguing with because its clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
You will be wrong, just like all the other idiots who mouth of for the hell of it. Try to counter My argument with stats and facts. Using stats from the last ten games, show me 15 qb's better than Matt Cassel right now. If NE does not make the playoffs, it will be because they have a rash of injuries, not Matt Cassel. You will come back with some lame insult or post, which will not include any acutal football stats, breakdowns or logical thinking. Like, lol ::)
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Meaning, even if he ain't the QB he used to be, ( his 2008 stats minus 20%) he's still pretty good.
Dunno, he might be better than he was. He'll be 4-6weeks behind normal acl recovery because of that pcl tear. Still, how long did it take for Carson Palmer to be ok? 6months.
Hes got time.
Carson Palmer also had knee cap damage plus he also tore his meniscus. Palmer tore his ACL, PCL damaged his meniscus and had knee cap damage. Brady's injury was not even close to as severe as Palmer's.
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no, you will be proven wrong when NE fails to make the playoffs, or if they by luck do make it, gets bounced out of the first round and cassel's toils for the rest of his very short career in the NFL as the guy who played behind tom brady.
he will not even be a footnote in NFL history.
you do realise, outside the shell of getbig, that if you were to make the kind of statements regarding cassel's you make on here on any football forum online you'd be a laughing stock, right?
NOBODY in their right mind would say cassel's is one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL.
lol.
i would not say Cassel is a top 10-15 qb myself right now. possibly in the future, odds are in favor of him. he knows the system which is a benefit for him and he plays well in that system. the only thing you can take from him right now is that he can be a qb for the pats and do well.
looking into the future and predicting on how other teams look at him and analyze what he did this year is speculative, you just dont know.
as a Dolphin fan myself i can objectively say that i THINK he will get more than his fair share of looks from other teams, probably the hottest qb's on the market. another huge factor i think is that he has been qb for soo long and hasnt been hit, didnt play in college or the pros for that matter, but we know he can be a good qb. he has very low milage, but yet can be very productive. those type of attributes are never found. before he got the start, when was the last time he got sacked or hit really hard, high school? if i were starting a team i would definitely look at Cassel over the other possible qbs availible. and again im a dolphin fan.
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wait actually yeah i would say top 10 not top 15.
*this was changed due to my error. i got the numbers transposed.
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wait actually yeah i would say top 15, not top 10 though.
Check this out:
1 Drew Brees NO QB 241 362 66.6 40.2 2,985 8.2 331.7 17 10 127 35.1 84T 40 12 8 96.1
2 Kurt Warner ARI QB 238 337 70.6 37.4 2,760 8.2 306.7 19 6 135 40.1 79T 28 6 16 106.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 211 342 61.7 38.0 2,616 7.6 290.7 18 11 120 35.1 93T 34 5 6 89.5
4 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 199 324 61.4 36.0 2,372 7.3 263.6 13 5 112 34.6 90T 33 6 13 90.7
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 176 270 65.2 30.0 2,354 8.7 261.6 21 8 112 41.5 67 34 9 12 106.3
6 Peyton Manning IND QB 204 334 61.1 37.1 2,248 6.7 249.8 15 9 111 33.2 75 24 4 11 84.8
7 Brett Favre NYJ QB 220 315 69.8 31.5 2,237 7.1 223.7 18 12 117 37.1 56T 23 7 19 93.0
8 Matt Cassel NE QB 208 316 65.8 31.6 2,200 7.0 220.0 10 7 107 33.9 66T 18 3 32 87.3
8 Chad Pennington MIA QB 185 278 66.5 30.9 2,200 7.9 244.4 8 5 105 37.8 80T 24 5 15 92.6
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Check this out:
1 Drew Brees NO QB 241 362 66.6 40.2 2,985 8.2 331.7 17 10 127 35.1 84T 40 12 8 96.1
2 Kurt Warner ARI QB 238 337 70.6 37.4 2,760 8.2 306.7 19 6 135 40.1 79T 28 6 16 106.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 211 342 61.7 38.0 2,616 7.6 290.7 18 11 120 35.1 93T 34 5 6 89.5
4 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 199 324 61.4 36.0 2,372 7.3 263.6 13 5 112 34.6 90T 33 6 13 90.7
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 176 270 65.2 30.0 2,354 8.7 261.6 21 8 112 41.5 67 34 9 12 106.3
6 Peyton Manning IND QB 204 334 61.1 37.1 2,248 6.7 249.8 15 9 111 33.2 75 24 4 11 84.8
7 Brett Favre NYJ QB 220 315 69.8 31.5 2,237 7.1 223.7 18 12 117 37.1 56T 23 7 19 93.0
8 Matt Cassel NE QB 208 316 65.8 31.6 2,200 7.0 220.0 10 7 107 33.9 66T 18 3 32 87.3
8 Chad Pennington MIA QB 185 278 66.5 30.9 2,200 7.9 244.4 8 5 105 37.8 80T 24 5 15 92.6
yeah i saw that, but im also including the fact that he has little experience. ive seen many qb's have solid seasons only never to be heard from again.
according to the stats, Brett is a better qb now than Cassel. but i dont think so, would you say so? i hope not. thats the thing with looking soley at numbers.
i would also take Cassel over River now, again the stats dont include certain intangibles. hope you get what im trying to say.
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he knows the system which is a benefit for him and he plays well in that system. the only thing you can take from him right now is that he can be a qb for the pats and do well.
You cannot separate a QB's talents from the system he's in until he plays elsewhere, at which time he's been well-coached, has absorbed and will apply those football smarts in any system.
Montana, who i believe is the best QB of all time along with Bradshaw, was considered a system QB, and did just fine in KC-his limitations there were due to a lower level of talent, coaching and his own age, not the system or experience with it.
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You cannot separate a QB's talents from the system he's in until he plays elsewhere, at which time he's already absorbed and can use much of that knowledge to his benefit without being in the same system actually. Montana, probably the best QB of all time, was considered a system QB, and did just fine in KC-his limitations there were due to a lower level of talent, coaching and his own age, not the system or experience with it.
yes but youre comparing Montana to Cassel.
*probably the first time they've been in the same sentence together.
Montana had a history of complete success.. Cassel has what ten games?
the probability of Montana succeeding else where was a lot higher than Cassels's at this point of his career.
further more i think you misread my post. all i was saying was that all we know of Cassel right now is what we have seen so far. the only thing we can base his talent on is what we have seen 10 games or so, that being said i would definitely look at him if i were starting a team. hope i dont sound contradictive. im doing this at work.
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yes but youre comparing Montana to Cassel.
Wrong again. Your faulty logic suggests that you did not graduate high school.
I didn't compare them, i brought up an exellent example of a system QB who then played elsewhere, thereby destroying your claim. :o
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Wrong again. Your faulty logic suggests that you did not graduate high school.
I didn't compare them, i brought up an exellent example of a system QB who then played elsewhere, thereby destroying your claim. :o
ok..lets do this then.
firstly who ever said Montana was a system QB. where? please provide the evidence. A QB of that stature isnt relegated to being a system qb. where?
also where did i mention anyone being considered being a system qb in this thread? please find that also.
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Check this out:
1 Drew Brees NO QB 241 362 66.6 40.2 2,985 8.2 331.7 17 10 127 35.1 84T 40 12 8 96.1
2 Kurt Warner ARI QB 238 337 70.6 37.4 2,760 8.2 306.7 19 6 135 40.1 79T 28 6 16 106.4
3 Jay Cutler DEN QB 211 342 61.7 38.0 2,616 7.6 290.7 18 11 120 35.1 93T 34 5 6 89.5
4 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 199 324 61.4 36.0 2,372 7.3 263.6 13 5 112 34.6 90T 33 6 13 90.7
5 Philip Rivers SD QB 176 270 65.2 30.0 2,354 8.7 261.6 21 8 112 41.5 67 34 9 12 106.3
6 Peyton Manning IND QB 204 334 61.1 37.1 2,248 6.7 249.8 15 9 111 33.2 75 24 4 11 84.8
7 Brett Favre NYJ QB 220 315 69.8 31.5 2,237 7.1 223.7 18 12 117 37.1 56T 23 7 19 93.0
8 Matt Cassel NE QB 208 316 65.8 31.6 2,200 7.0 220.0 10 7 107 33.9 66T 18 3 32 87.3
8 Chad Pennington MIA QB 185 278 66.5 30.9 2,200 7.9 244.4 8 5 105 37.8 80T 24 5 15 92.6
whoa bod88, i just re-read my post. i meant to say that i would put him in the top 10 not top 15