mma = hype
i just think its funny. ill bet if fedor stepped into the ring or cage with any top ten heavys he will probably be the one with his armed raised at the end of the bout. one question what would he have to do to prove it to you guys?
i see three UFC heavyweight champions on that list (sylvia, coleman, nog), one pride phenom (crocop), and gigantic chinaman.
tell me, who should fedor have on his list that he hasn't beaten yet? what UFC phenomenon does fedor need to beat before he counts as "real" to you? ::)
All of these guys except Nog. are pretty much washed up. I want to see Fedor fight CURRENT top ranked fighters that are CURRENTLY top contenders. Don't get me wrong...Fedor is good, but you can't just ride the coat tails of the past and claim unbeatable status. What is the big deal with mentioning Crocop. We all know what happened when he tried to hang with the big boys. And Coleman...come on.
Who has Fedor fought since 2004 that is anywhere near top 10 status ::) Talk about over-hyped padded record.
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-naked choke) Affliction - Banned 7/19/2008
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005
Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005
Win Tsuyoshi Kohsaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE - Bushido 6 4/3/2005
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004
so who's #1 ?
depends on how you define it
#1 generally means who you think is the best !
You had us going. Good joke.
All of these guys except Nog. are pretty much washed up. I want to see Fedor fight CURRENT top ranked fighters that are CURRENTLY top contenders. Don't get me wrong...Fedor is good, but you can't just ride the coat tails of the past and claim unbeatable status. What is the big deal with mentioning Crocop. We all know what happened when he tried to hang with the big boys. And Coleman...come on.
He's beaten pretty much every fighter of significance but Barnett (the only person that stands even a remote chance of beating him), his brother and the most overrated fighter on the planet in Randy Couture.
his bro ain't too shabby either. record's 13-2 or something like that?
as for why fedor doesn't fight more... who wants to fight him? the guy's record is 29-1 and he hasn't lost a fight in eight years. it's not like he can book a fight every other month, the list of people who want to get into the cage/ring with him is pretty damn small. tim sylvia was the last one and after he got embarrassed (keeping in mind it took couture 5 rounds to get him to a decision), i have a feeling not many people feel like going against 'im.
are you for real?
so who's #1 ?
his bro ain't too shabby either. record's 13-2 or something like that?
as for why fedor doesn't fight more... who wants to fight him? the guy's record is 29-1 and he hasn't lost a fight in eight years. it's not like he can book a fight every other month, the list of people who want to get into the cage/ring with him is pretty damn small. tim sylvia was the last one and after he got embarrassed (keeping in mind it took couture 5 rounds to get him to a decision), i have a feeling not many people feel like going against 'im.
When he fought crocop they where the two best HW in the world. Crocop probably juiced but nevertheless he was a top fighter at that time.
Crocop may be over the hill right now but was arguable a top two HW when they fought.
You mention Nog. The dude was mauled by Fedor twice. He was and still is one of the best ever.
Hunt isn't a can neither. that dude has a concrete head and prior to their fight he beat Crocop and wanderlei silva.
And no one likes Sylvia but you can't deny he was the nr1 UFC HW less than a year before he squared of with Fedor.
So for the ones saying Fedor needs to fight the top HW's......
do you think Fedor should fight Kongo, Gonzaga, Nog (who he has beat twice BADLY), Big Country, Ben, Who does he need to fight? Please tell because I am curious who is a top HW that he needs to beat to prove to the world that he is the best HW in the world.
Assuming he get's past Arvloski, I would put him agaisnt the winner of Nog/Mir and Lesnar tournament. That would determine who the best in the world at HW is. He needs to work something out with the UFC and quit fighting in the minor leagues.
Yes to be the best you gotta beat the best... that doesnt go for Fedor exlusively thats for everyone... the hw division isnt very big... it aint all that competitve compared to other divisions... they need to have them guys fight eachother !
Exactly. I like Fedor and do think he may be one of the best, but you have got to redeem your merits constantly to be a Champion. There is no way to do this while not being in the UFC.
Everyone knows that most of Fedor's fights were fixed. The reason he won't get in the cage, is because the UFC refuses to fix the fight...
Assuming he get's past Arvloski, I would put him agaisnt the winner of Nog/Mir and Lesnar tournament. That would determine who the best in the world at HW is. He needs to work something out with the UFC and quit fighting in the minor leagues.
yeah he managed to beat crocop by decision.. nog by decision and submit mark hunt (in 8 minutes) but before that mark hunt was submitted by josh barnett in 2 minutes and after that he lost to overeem (submitted in 1 minute) thats 3 losses in a row for mark hunt all by submission... only fedor seems to have a problem with him the others submitted him almost instantly.
agree. these guys that doubt him are idiots. fedor its a gift to watch him fight. thats just how i feel and probably true mma fans feel also
he already beat nog twice, lesnar was crushing mir until he forgot to watch his ankle and if you think lesnar has a chance against fedor you're a moron. fedor was beating nog, crocop, and others when they were still closer to their primes. there is no one outside of barnett that fedor needs to prove himself against.
frankly even if he does lose to arlovski or anyone in the next year or so, that doesn't change the fact that from 2001-2008 fedor was the most dominant MMA fighter on the planet bar none.
agree. these guys that doubt him are idiots. fedor its a gift to watch him fight. thats just how i feel and probably true mma fans feel also
You guys really don't like the dude. Nothing wrong with that, but it ain't a popularity contest. It's not about being the most exciting fighter, it's about getting the job done. You can't argue with the numbers, he never lost (I don't consider that one elbow as loss and it was avenged).
That being said I would love to see him fight in UFC. Maybe Mir then Couture Then Lesnar and finally Nog (who would be undisputed UFC HW champ at that time).
Still The fight against Arlovski is promissing as well. You got to admit that's some solid competition right there.
Why is the burden of proof on Fedor? He's dismantled every single fighter thrown at him. He established himself as the best years ago. I know the UFC fanboys like Bluto can't come to grips with that, but there is not one fighter in their capable of even posing a challenge. There are a few HW's capable of giving him a match, and they aren't in the UFC. Get over it.
Mind get out of here with your conspiracy theories.. His fights weren't fixed... People don't get beat up like that for any amount of cash!
Years ago...exactly. Just like Matt Hughes, Liddell, etc. did a while ago. Sorry, but fighting Sylvia and Arvloski, UFC rejects, just does not cut it to keep #1 status.
Both Hughes and Liddell have faced some losses, Fedor hasn't. And allhough his recent competition wasn't tot notch, the thing is: you got to beat the champ to become the champ.
As him being not interesting.. I think it's entertaining to see guys like Bob sapp trying to bumrush some dude or two guys trying to knock eachothers head of, but only for a few minutes. I guess I can appreciate technique and skill more.
If you're into knock outs watch boxing or K1, this however is MMA a submission counts as much as a victory as a KO.
Both Hughes and Liddell have faced some losses, Fedor hasn't. And allhough his recent competition wasn't tot notch, the thing is: you got to beat the champ to become the champ.
As him being not interesting.. I think it's entertaining to see guys like Bob sapp trying to bumrush some dude or two guys trying to knock eachothers head of, but only for a few minutes. I guess I can appreciate technique and skill more.
If you're into knock outs watch boxing or K1, this however is MMA a submission counts as much as a victory as a KO.
I like Fedor and would love to see him fight any and all of these guys. When he starts beating real competition again,(Arvloski is a good start, but not near the top) he will be top HW in my eyes. Until then, there are a lot of unknowns.
he already beat nog twice. if nog beats mir and lesnar, and fedor's already beaten nog TWICE, what's the problem?
Before he fought Fedor he had three or four wins in a row. Besides it's not math or logic. A defeats B defeats C therefor A defeats C,... it doesn't work like that.Who do you consider the Nr 1 HW?I have to agree with Bluto, at one time he may have been the best, so was Mike Tyson, what is he now? Fedor hasn't fought top competition in years, regardless in UFC or not. He's fought a couple of loopy gooks and a couple of UFC dropouts, whoopie. If he truely wants to be known as #1, he has to step up and continually prove it.
Liddell and Hughes have losses because they didn't dodge top competition. Bottom line... I like to see good MMA skills as well. You have to admit, the UFC may not have all of the best fighters in the world, but they have more than any other promotion. Fedor is not really a champ right now in my eyes...he has an Affliction belt. ::) He needs to step up to the big leagues, where earning a belt means something.
I have to agree with Bluto, at one time he may have been the best, so was Mike Tyson, what is he now? Fedor hasn't fought top competition in years, regardless in UFC or not. He's fought a couple of loopy gooks and a couple of UFC dropouts, whoopie. If he truely wants to be known as #1, he has to step up and continually prove it.
Honestly I don't care enough to get riled up, but if he wants to continue to fight washed up UFC rejects, then so be it, it's his reputation to lose. The records will show he spent the last years of his career fighting guys that couldn't cut it in the UFC, instead of fighting guys that can.
Who should he fight then? Can you name one guy that's not a UFC reject that should fight him? Mir? He's the definition of UFC reject. Lesnar? He beat a 45 year old guy who was the most overrated fighter on the planet. Who else? The UFC HW division is embarrassing.OK, let's reverse this.......who outside of the UFC, besides Barnett, is worthy of fighting Fedor?
He has beaten every great HW of the last 5 years but Barnett.
I just find it funny that Bluto and the other clowns keep saying he should fight the best, but they have yet to name one fighter they consider the "best". Just further proving that Bluto doesn't know jack shit about MMA.
he already beat nog twice. if nog beats mir and lesnar, and fedor's already beaten nog TWICE, what's the problem?
All he has to do is actually fight top 10 guys several times a year like all the others. Then he might get the respect that he deserves. We can only speculate how good Fedor CURRENTLY is.
OK, let's reverse this.......who outside of the UFC, besides Barnett, is worthy of fighting Fedor?
Is he going to spend his final years claiming to be the best while fighting in high school gymnasiums for 30 people against some drunk hack?
OK, let's reverse this.......who outside of the UFC, besides Barnett, is worthy of fighting Fedor?
Is he going to spend his final years claiming to be the best while fighting in high school gymnasiums for 30 people against some drunk hack?
who cares about fedor
he hardly ever fights and when he do fight he either fight a can or fight someone he cant finish
sure a nerd can find pleasure in going back memory lane and jerk off to his record but for the rest of us who live in the present we want to be entertained
sure a nerd can find pleasure
There are a lot more fighters outside the UFC capable of beating him than inside it. Barnett, Hunt, Aleks, Sergei are all better fighters than 99% of the UFC HW's. And none of those guys are on his level.
I don't know why people want to see him fight Nog again. Nog is still great, but he looks like nothing compared to what he was like when he was the Pride HW champ. He's older, slower and not as dangerous now. Who the hell wants to see him fight Nog again? He's fought him 3 times, and absolutely destroyed him every time. No one gives a shit about seeing that fight again.
Funny how Sylvia was the HW champ, took the "Legendary" Couture to a decision, Fedor beats him in 37 seconds and he's apparently washed up.
There is NO ONE in the UFC that could hold Fedor's jockstrap and he would do nothing but fight cans if he were to sign there.
Don't tell me you weren't at least a bit entertained by him mauling Sylvia. Now I know thats an UFC reject but he ain't no can either.
Then again Fedor vs Brock ASAP. They have a score to settle.
You guys act like I am saying Fedor is not a legend...he is. I am just saying that it is time to come to the UFC if he wants to earn his #1 status back. I also am not saying that I want him to fight Nog, but if it ends up that way if Nog beats everyone other challenger, then they should fight. I just want to put an end to all the bickering on all sides and bring him to the UFC where he will be exposed to the biggest audience, and let him show everyone how much of a bad as he can be. If he STILL has it in him ;D
Can't believe you have the third Nog fight listed as someone who isn't top ten. Nog was the Pride heavyweight champ, is the current UFC heavyweight champ, and Fedor put a beating on him like no ones business. His fight with Mirko was right after Mirko cleaned up the Pride tourney beating Wandy by vicious KO. He can't win, it seems, to some of you guys. He DESTROYS TIMAY, and people says he was washed up. When he destroys glass jaw Arlovski, people will say he was washed up as well. Lol at the mmaignorance on this board.
Ok give him the third nog fight...what others recently besides Tim? I have said it before, I will not be impressed at all if he wins Arvloski. I expect him to win. Not only did big Tim beat Arvloski twice, but Andre has weak fists, they are powerful, but not real one punch HW power. Doesn't really matter what happened in the past, Mirko beat everyone in Pride, and then gets demolished in UFC, what does that say about Pride competition? Or is it something else?
Why is it time to come to the UFC? There are no good fighters outside of Nog in the UFC HW division. Lesnar is overrated and unproven. Mir is not very good. No one wants to see him fight Nog again. 3 times against Nog in his prime were more than enough. There are no good HWs in the UFC period.
How would he still not have it in him? Tim Sylvia had the UFC belt less than 2 years ago. Fedor beat him in 37 seconds after it took Couture 5 rounds to erk a decision out. If he wants to prove himself, he needs to avoid fighting in that league of cans and washed up wannabes.
So I guess it looks better when he is fighting Arvloski, who by the way was beaten twice by Tim, instead of fighting in the UFC ???
I am sure he could fight the biggest can ever and more people would watch (and give respect) then fighting Arvloski on the Affliction card.
You've yet to name one fighter in the UFC capable of beating him. WHO? Name one guy not named Nogueira so I can laugh. You have to be new to MMA. Typical TUF reject that can't come to grips with the fact that his heroes in the UFC aren't the best out there.
Your argument about Mirko holds no water. Liddell went over to Pride and got demolished. He then came back to the UFC and couldn't lose. Rampage couldn't do shit in Japan but won the UFC belt in 6 months. ::)
I have said before, I don't know who is the best HW right now. I want to see once and for all myself. There may be better guys out there, but the best chance at having the most entertaining fights, with the most people watching to see once and for all, would be in the UFC.
Name one HW in the past TWO YEARS that has actually done something, not in the UFC. See all your old pride heroes are just that, old memories. Remember, just because they whooped ass 5 years ago in a pride tourney, really does not mean anything now.
twice to nog, one time was no contest
no contest dont count in mma
What has one HW done in the UFC in the past 2 years? That division is such a joke that a retired, 40+ year old guy came back and won the belt instantaneously. Talk about an absolutely embarrassing division. No one will prove anything fighting in the UFC beyond which can is better than the other. The only fighter worth his salt in there is Nog and he's lost to Fedor 3 times. I'm not interested in seeing him fight anyone besides Barnett, Aleks or Sergei and not a single one of them is in the UFC. Those are the guys capable of actually giving him a fight. Not the UFC cans. I don't need to some boring ass beatdown of Mir, Lesnar, Couture or Nog for the fourth time.
What has one HW done in the UFC in the past 2 years? That division is such a joke that a retired, 40+ year old guy came back and won the belt instantaneously. Talk about an absolutely embarrassing division. No one will prove anything fighting in the UFC beyond which can is better than the other. The only fighter worth his salt in there is Nog and he's lost to Fedor 3 times. I'm not interested in seeing him fight anyone besides Barnett, Aleks or Sergei and not a single one of them is in the UFC. Those are the guys capable of actually giving him a fight. Not the UFC cans. I don't need to some boring ass beatdown of Mir, Lesnar, Couture or Nog for the fourth time.
Well the old man and Brock was a good fight all in all. Exciting start to finish. 1.2 million PPV. Noobs or not...those are the matchup today's mma fan wants to see as well as use to rate the fighters.
How many PPV views do you think the Fedor/Arvloski fight is pulling in. Maybe 500,000 on a good night. Nobody cares.
Sure it does. He destroyed him that fight. It goes down in the books as a NC, but anyone who saw the fight saw the results.
Sure it does. He destroyed him that fight. It goes down in the books as a NC, but anyone who saw the fight saw the results. Nice that you're trying to act like you can contribute, Bluto. Spending another Saturday night on Getbig, you party animal you?
It's funny how the UFC fanboys can't come to grips with the fact that the UFC HW division is a complete embarrassment and has been for years now.
You say the UFC HW division is an embarassmant, while every other promotion except the UFC, has been a complete embarrassment. The rest are seriously hard to watch...or should I say WERE hard to watch.
You say the UFC HW division is an embarassmant, while every other promotion except the UFC, has been a complete embarrassment. The rest are seriously hard to watch...or should I say WERE hard to watch.
Double post meltdown. Didn't bother to read any of them. BlutOWNED. Reading one TUF fanboy's retarded posts is hard enough Bluto, we'll just ignore yours and file them under the "kid who cried hard enough to get modded" folder. :D
The UFC HW division is seriously hard to watch. Shit, it was so fucking pathetic they had to convince a 44 year old guy to come out of retirement to spice it up. And what did he do? He beat the guy who had beaten every other fighter in the division in his first fight back. Talk about a complete embarrassment. That division is a complete joke. It's seriously painful to watch.
Let's use your logic, though. Kimbo Slice is THE greatest MMA fighter EVER!
Ok enough debate about UFC etc....
Back to the original question... Who does Fedor fight aftet top contender Arvloski? Or does he just sit out for 2 years?
Fedor fanboys are some weak bitches, they pick the guy everybody loves and who statistically is the best that requires no balls whatsoever just going with the flow... second they think theyre special cause they watched fights in pride, they think it make them sound like theyve been around forever but everybody i know did the same thing...
I say to go AGAINST fedor with some legit criticism is what takes balls, not hanging to his. :D
Exaclty. IMO opinion it takes a skilled MMA fan to see through the Fedor b.s. Not saying he is not good, just doesn't prove it often.
Exaclty. IMO opinion it takes a skilled MMA fan to see through the Fedor b.s. Not saying he is not good, just doesn't prove it often.
He fights Barnett, who is the only HW fighter worth a shit that he hasn't fought yet. Oh, that's right, Barnett isn't a UFC HW.
Him fighting in the UFC won't prove anything. All it will show is that he can win fights that everyone expects him to.
Can you make a case for any current UFC HW being better than Fedor? I'd love to hear this.
Who cares if he fights Barnett...He has the same story as Fedor. Who has Barnett beat lately?
I said before...I don't want to put one UFC fighter over Fedor...I want to see them all fight and end up with one winner. Then we wouldn't have these debates. Times have changed, fighters have changed.
To see through the Fedor bs? You're only proving yourself an idiot in this thread. You just said you equate skill to PPV sales and fighter popularity. Going by your logic, Kimbo Slice is the greatest MMA fighter to ever live.
Not only that, but you're consistently ignoring my question. Let's hear you make a claim for any of these UFC HW's being better than Fedor. Stop avoiding it because you know you'll make a fool out of yourself. Let's hear your reasoning.
You want to see him fight these UFC guys because you're a UFC fanboy. I'd rather see him fight guys who are actually skilled and capable of giving him fight. Not the freakshow Brock Lesnar or a 45 year old Randy Couture. Talk about boring fights. ::)
You clowns have yet to justify any of your points. You just keep saying "UFC this, UFC that." Let's hear you guys make your cases for any of these UFC fighters being better than Fedor. Let's see you reference their records, their accomplishments, their recent fights. I'd love to see the reasoning behind the logic. I'm sure it's embarrassingly inept.
okay then, list off who fedor would have to beat to prove to you that he's the best. nog can't be on the list because he beat a prime nog twice. we can't say couture because couture got rocked by lesnar. you think barnett is a joke and arlovski lost twice to sylvia, a guy fedor beat in less than 30 seconds.
who's left? the only people i can think of (since apparently everyone from PRIDE is a joke ::) ) is mir and lesnar.
yeah it sucks that fedor doesn't fight four times a year, but the fact is they can't find people to fight fedor because he never effing loses. it's like if they had a polar bear in the UFC for some reason. he'd never get any fights because no one would want to get in there with him.
this whole thread sucks dick !
The thing is there aren't that much new, good interesting HW fighters. Maybe Gonzaga, Kongo and Lesnar. But apart from that it's still the same top guys from a couple of years ago.
UFC is the biggest MMA organisation (can't argue with that)
Nog is the nr.1 in their HW division (I know Lesnar is the current champ but still)
Fedor beat him twice and nothing makes me think the outcome of another fight between them is gonna be different.
Bottomline Fedor is nr.1 with that record because he has beat most of the top HW fighters and hasn't been beaten, ever.
That being said he could use a top fight to get all the arguing out off the way.
Fedor has been beaten before...but anyways Fedor needs to come to the UFC. All the rest of the top contenders have.
once.
...eight years ago.
also, what contenders do you mean? you need to stop being a "UFC is all that counts" moron. fedor beat nog twice. if nog beats mir (which i'm sure he will) and then fights lesnar (where he'll probably win again), does fedor have to beat nog a THIRD time for you to be impressed?
sylvia took 5 rounds before couture won a decision. fedor beat him in 30 seconds. what fighters has fedor not beaten for you to think he's the top dog? who's left? you aren't counting any non-UFC fighters, and the current HW division isn't exactly stellar.
once.
...eight years ago.
also, what contenders do you mean? you need to stop being a "UFC is all that counts" moron. fedor beat nog twice. if nog beats mir (which i'm sure he will) and then fights lesnar (where he'll probably win again), does fedor have to beat nog a THIRD time for you to be impressed?
sylvia took 5 rounds before couture won a decision. fedor beat him in 30 seconds. what fighters has fedor not beaten for you to think he's the top dog? who's left? you aren't counting any non-UFC fighters, and the current HW division isn't exactly stellar.
If Fedor is beaten, it will be by medical disqualification. He does cut, and an American AC ref will stop the fight, otherwise, he dominates ANY heavyweight in the world today. This is an asenine argument. Almost as bad as someone on the UG saying BJ's last sub win off his back was against Bang by arm triangle....lol.....NOT knowing, and trying to speak from a position authority is classic GB mmaintelligence.
All specualtion on your part on how good Fedor currently is" He dominates any heavyweight in the word today"=speculation.
You know fedor is CURRENTLY ducking top competition...oh well he is a has been anyways unless he steps up to the UFC and proves it.
He isn't in the UFC but who's fault is that. We don't know what kind of deal Dana threw at him. Could have been nothing less of an insult for all we know. This dude fights fore a living therefor he should consider his paycheck.
And not being in the UFC, what top competition is he exactly ducking?
We really do not know who's fault it is. Two facts.
Fedor is not in UFC.
Fedor has been fighting second rate fighters in second rate orgs for a couple years now.
It is what it is. Does not really matter why.
a fight that ends in the first round by accidental cut doesnt count. which makes it twice he beat nog, not three times
try to get your facts straights
MMA math does not work the way you think it does. If so in so did it in 2 rounds and the other did it in 1 he is better hahahahahaahh. NEWBIE!
Fighting in the UFC is all that counts...if you want to be recognized as a mainstream top fighter. Like it or not...it's politics.
quit fighting it...and you still have your pride DVD's to watch if you don't like it. :o
you're an idiot. end of story. a piss-poor troll who watched some UFC videos and because he's an american moron thinks those are the only fighters that matter. so you've deluded yourself into thinking that non-UFC means crap despite all the pride fighters that kicked the shit out of UFC guys when they came over, and now you're trying to convince SOMEONE that fedor sucks.You're awfully riled up, Fedor must mean alot to you.
name a list of fighters better than fedor in the HW division. c'mon, i'm curious.
It's quite possible that the attraction Fedor has on some guys have nothing to do with how he perform in the ring... Just saying.LOL ;D
you're an idiot. end of story. a piss-poor troll who watched some UFC videos and because he's an american moron thinks those are the only fighters that matter. so you've deluded yourself into thinking that non-UFC means crap despite all the pride fighters that kicked the shit out of UFC guys when they came over, and now you're trying to convince SOMEONE that fedor sucks.
name a list of fighters better than fedor in the HW division. c'mon, i'm curious.
I somehow don't see us agreeing about this.
You raise valid points, however, I copied the card of his last fight. not exactly a collection of cans, is it.
Seems a pretty solid organisation. at least the fighters in it.
1 Paul Buentello Gary Goodridge Decision (Unanimous) 3 5:00
2 Vitor Belfort Terry Martin KO (Punches) 2 3:12
3 Mike Pyle JJ Ambrose Submission (Rear-naked choke) 1 2:51
4 Antonio Rogerio Nogueira Edwin Dewees TKO (Punches) 1 4:06
5 Matt Lindland Fabio Nascimento Decision (Unanimous) 3 5:00
6 Renato Sobral Mike Whitehead Decision (Unanimous) 3 5:00
7 Mark Hominick Savant Young Submission (Armbar) 2 4:25
8 Josh Barnett Pedro Rizzo KO (Punch) 2 1:44
9 Andrei Arlovski Ben Rothwell KO (Punches) 3 1:13
10 Fedor Emelianenko Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-naked choke) 1 0:36
you're an idiot. end of story. a piss-poor troll who watched some UFC videos and because he's an american moron thinks those are the only fighters that matter. so you've deluded yourself into thinking that non-UFC means crap despite all the pride fighters that kicked the shit out of UFC guys when they came over, and now you're trying to convince SOMEONE that fedor sucks.
name a list of fighters better than fedor in the HW division. c'mon, i'm curious.
I've been asking him to name a list too so that we can laugh at him. He won't. He's a dipshit troll who jumped on the UFC bandwagon and let Dana and those other twats brainwash him into thinking that the UFC is the be all, end all league. He can't name anyone because there isn't anybody in the UFC HW division capable of holding Fedor's jock, let alone beat him. I wouldn't be surprised if it was another Bluto gimmick.
This thread = teh funny.
this thread sucks a dead dogs dick !;D
You're awfully riled up, Fedor must mean alot to you.
i'm bored and haven't had a good internet fight in a while. >:(
for the record, blooto, fedor's ugly as hell anyway. :P
All specualtion on your part on how good Fedor currently is" He dominates any heavyweight in the world today"=speculation.
You know fedor is CURRENTLY ducking top competition...oh well he is a has been anyways unless he steps up to the UFC and proves it.
Man, you are either drinking the Zuffa Kool aid, or a good troll. In either case, you aren't relevant when it comes to MMA. Post at a pro wrasslin forum, please.
I am no troll...just understand the MMA game more than most. Just because I like the UFC and exciting fights makes me irrelevant???
Thanks for letting me know.
Like I said earlier...what else am I supposed to watch if I want to see EXCITING match-ups? Old Pride DVD's?
Maybe the Smashing Machine would be good too ::)
I am no troll...just understand the MMA game more than most. Just because I like the UFC and exciting fights makes me irrelevant???
Thanks for letting me know.
Like I said earlier...what else am I supposed to watch if I want to see EXCITING match-ups? Old Pride DVD's?
Maybe the Smashing Machine would be good too ::)
You don't understand shit. Look back in this thread. You claimed that fighter skill level is judged by how many PPV sales their cards generate or how popular they are. Going by your "knowledge" of the sport, Kimbo Slice is arguably the greatest HW to ever live. I mean, he is pretty much more popular than any MMA fighter so he has to be the best according to you, right? ::)
i like the UFC and exciting fights too. and guess what? UFC isn't the best ever. they've turned into the big dog now, but they don't have all the best fighters. period. the only reason guys like you think UFC is supreme is because it's the one that was always on TV. you had to catch FSN at the right time of day to watch Pride or K-1.
some UFC fighters are amazing (i think GSP is awesome myself), but when it comes to heavies fedor is king. that's why every single MMA publication constantly rates him #1 in the division.
I never said the UFC is the best ever...It is currently the most successful org with the most exciting fights.
Fedor might be number one...but as stated he needs to fight other champs. Not ex-champs that got cut from the UFC.
yeah but you're judging that now. the fact is that he DID beat the best that anyone had. he fought and beat three UFC champs, he beat the best pride had to offer, he hasn't lost a single fight in eight years.
he doesn't "need" to do anything. fedor is, irrefutably, the #1 heavyweight in MMA. there's no one left that can challenge that status except barnett and, down the road, brock if he keeps up this pace. but after eight years without a single loss even as the top competitors came at him, he doesn't have enough people to fight.
sure he could fight four times a year but the top competitors aren't going to take him on. why would they? they'd rather try for the UFC belt since he isn't there and they have a better chance.
And when he destroys Arlovski, the Pitbull will be called another UFC reject.....
This pretty much sums it up.
Like I said until he gets beaten he's the best. period.
He's not ducking fighters, IMO the others are ducking him.
1. Fedor Emelianenko (28-1-0, 1 NC)\
If there has been one criticism of MMA's premier heavyweight, it's that Emelianenko hasn't met the best of his contemporaries over the last three years. He responded with a 36-second thrashing of Tim Sylvia in July, and he will look to further prove his supremacy over the division on Jan. 24 when he takes on another former UFC heavyweight champion, Andrei Arlovski, in the headliner of the second Affliction bill.
2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (31-4-1, 1 NC)
The consensus favorite in his December UFC interim heavyweight title scrap with Frank Mir, the TUF 8 coach will have a tall task ahead of him should he emerge victorious. Nogueira's prize for defeating Mir will be the chance to unify the UFC heavyweight crown with upstart Brock Lesnar in 2009, in what would make for an enormous heavyweight clash.
3. Andrei Arlovski (14-5-0)
2008 offered Arlovski a great opportunity to rebuild himself, and he did so brilliantly. With his knockouts of Ben Rothwell and Roy Nelson, he has earned himself the biggest fight of his career -- a meeting with the sport's finest heavyweight, Fedor Emelianenko, in the main event of Affliction's sophomore effort on Jan. 24.
4. Josh Barnett (23-5-0)
Barnett's management nixed hopes of him facing Fedor Emelianenko in January as the headliner for Affliction's second event. Unfortunately, Barnett's proposed participation on the Nov. 1 Sengoku card didn't come to fruition either.
5. Brock Lesnar (3-1-0)
Now perhaps MMA's most polarizing athlete, it took Lesnar but 17 months and four bouts to wear UFC gold. His high-profile smashing of Randy Couture has validated the enormous hype surrounding the former D1 wrestling champ. Now, Lesnar will have the chance to become the UFC's undisputed heavyweight king in the new year, as he awaits the winner of December's Nogueira-Mir clash.
6. Randy Couture (16-9-0)
Couture's post-retirement run came to a screeching halt in his first post-resignation bout. He returned to the Octagon for the first time in 15 months and was knocked out by Brock Lesnar in the second round, leaving questions as to what "The Natural" has left in the tank.
7. Tim Sylvia (24-5-0)
In the biggest fight of his career, Sylvia was summarily smashed by Fedor Emelianenko in a humbling 36 seconds. Although his missteps have come against the top heavyweights in the world, Sylvia has lost three of his last four and he is a year removed from his last win in a suddenly active heavyweight division.
8. Ben Rothwell (29-6-0)
Unfortunately for the Miletich heavyweight, a bout with Pedro Rizzo for Affliction's January card didn't develop. However, the former IFL standout will still get some action, as he'll take a tune-up bout against the relatively anonymous Chris Guillen at the Dec. 11 Adrenaline MMA card.
9. Alistair Overeem (29-11-0, 1 NC)
While the flying Dutchman has his fingers crossed for a chance to settle unfinished business with Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic on New Year's Eve, he won an easy tune-up bout in his native Netherlands on Nov. 9 by routinely submitting worn veteran Gary Goodridge in the first round.
10. Junior dos Santos (7-1-0)
After causing a stir in the blogosphere with some nasty mittwork leading up to UFC 90, Junior dos Santos used Fabricio Werdum's face as a focus mitt in one of the year's bigger upsets. Whether or not the young protégé of Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira is legitimately one of the best heavyweights in the world remains to be seen, but for now, no one can take his nasty knockout of Werdum away from him.
*Randy Couture, now having fought within the last 365 days, is eligible to be ranked again. With the re-entry of Couture and the addition of Lesnar, formerly ninth-ranked Fabricio Werdum and 10th-ranked Gabriel Gonzaga fall just beyond the top 10.
4 of the top ten belong to the UFC hmmmmm That means that there are more then half of the best HW's outside of the UFC.. Looks like all the contenders are not in the UFC NUFF SAID
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Exaclty my point. Most of the fighters on this list fight maybe once a year. Really hard to validate these rankings with nobody really fighting each other.
You have to look at things that go into that. You have athletic supensions, you have training that goes on, injuries and shit these are big names. It's about longevity, if you had all of the fighters on this list fighting 5 times a year you would have to have new fighters every 5 years, guys would not have lasting power. This sport is much more vicious then boxing, your talking kicks, elbows, knees, chokes... Imagine some guy taking 5 crocop left high kicks in a year and being KO'd cold.. How long do you think that guy will be in the sport? 10 years if that happend 3 times a year..
These fighters have to make sure that they are around to make their money and not leave looking like ALI.
You are right in some of that, but that is what makes this sport so exciting. St. Pierre fought 4 times from 4/07 t0 4/08. Top competition too. Makes holding on to the belt more meaningful if you can do it.
I disagree...boxing is much more damaging long term to the head. No standing 10 count, and there are other aspects of MMA that take away from head strikes.
Boxing is almost entirely head shots. You constantly are getting punched in sparring/training as well. In MMA it is only one aspect.
You do remember...Arvloski got beat twice by Sylvia and beat Werdum (who has been cut as well)
UFC didn't want him. Call it whatever you want.
So if you use MMA math, then Frank Mir is the best heavyweight, because he has a win over the current UFC champ, which has the best heavyweights?
MMA math works if you're some internet addict that can't control the urge to post on a MMA message board 40 times a day and you've run out of logic and just looking to post something hoping someone will respond to....
ain't that right "stoolpshr" ?
When you compare GSp to a HW they are on two differant playing fields.. You are talking about a much smaller light weight guy. Being big sucks, you are talking a lot more weight on the joints and everything else..
When it comes to trauma to the head they might be equal, but MMA guys get knees to the head, elbows, kicks, etc. I would much rather have a boxing glove hit me over and over then to have to take bare bone shots to the face... Much more damage and if you bring in the foot stomps from Pride, fuck that put me in a boxing ring!