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Title: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 20, 2008, 01:58:43 PM
Who has Fedor fought since 2004 that is anywhere near top 10 status  ::) Talk about over-hyped padded record.

 Win      Tim Sylvia      Submission (Rear-naked choke)      Affliction - Banned      7/19/2008     
 Win    Hong Man Choi    Submission (Armbar)    Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007    12/31/2007    
 Win    Matt Lindland    Submission (Armbar)    Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations    4/14/2007    
 Win    Mark Hunt    Submission (Kimura)    PRIDE - Shockwave 2006    12/31/2006    
 Win    Mark Coleman    Submission (Armbar)    PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal    10/21/2006    
 Win    Wagner da Conceicao Martins    Submission (Punches)    PRIDE - Shockwave 2005    
 Win    Mirko Filipovic    Decision (Unaminous)    PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005    8/28/2005
 Win    Tsuyoshi Kohsaka    TKO (Doctor Stoppage)    PRIDE - Bushido 6    4/3/2005    
 Win    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira    Decision (Unanimous)    PRIDE - Shockwave 2004    12/31/2004    
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: El_Pajero on November 20, 2008, 02:08:24 PM
mma = hype
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 20, 2008, 02:11:27 PM
mma = hype

Yea, but usually there is at least some vague explanation. This is almost as absurd as the Kimbo debacle.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: nomogetsced on November 20, 2008, 02:47:24 PM
i just think its funny. ill bet if fedor stepped into the ring or cage with any top ten heavys he will probably be the one with his armed raised at the end of the bout. one question what would he have to do to prove it to you guys?
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 20, 2008, 02:51:05 PM
i just think its funny. ill bet if fedor stepped into the ring or cage with any top ten heavys he will probably be the one with his armed raised at the end of the bout. one question what would he have to do to prove it to you guys?

All he has to do is actually fight top 10 guys several times a year like all the others. Then he might get the respect that he deserves. We can only speculate how good Fedor CURRENTLY is.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 20, 2008, 02:56:42 PM
i see three UFC heavyweight champions on that list (sylvia, coleman, nog), one pride phenom (crocop), and gigantic chinaman.

tell me, who should fedor have on his list that he hasn't beaten yet? what UFC phenomenon does fedor need to beat before he counts as "real" to you? ::)
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 20, 2008, 03:04:16 PM
He's beaten pretty much every fighter of significance but Barnett (the only person that stands even a remote chance of beating him), his brother and the most overrated fighter on the planet in Randy Couture.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 20, 2008, 03:45:57 PM
i see three UFC heavyweight champions on that list (sylvia, coleman, nog), one pride phenom (crocop), and gigantic chinaman.

tell me, who should fedor have on his list that he hasn't beaten yet? what UFC phenomenon does fedor need to beat before he counts as "real" to you? ::)


All of these guys except Nog. are pretty much washed up. I want to see Fedor fight CURRENT top ranked fighters that are CURRENTLY top contenders. Don't get me wrong...Fedor is good, but you can't just ride the coat tails of the past and claim unbeatable status. What is the big deal with mentioning Crocop. We all know what happened when he tried to hang with the big boys. And Coleman...come on.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: canadian_husker on November 20, 2008, 05:55:58 PM

All of these guys except Nog. are pretty much washed up. I want to see Fedor fight CURRENT top ranked fighters that are CURRENTLY top contenders. Don't get me wrong...Fedor is good, but you can't just ride the coat tails of the past and claim unbeatable status. What is the big deal with mentioning Crocop. We all know what happened when he tried to hang with the big boys. And Coleman...come on.


are you for real?
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Geo on November 20, 2008, 06:07:10 PM
Who has Fedor fought since 2004 that is anywhere near top 10 status  ::) Talk about over-hyped padded record.

 Win      Tim Sylvia      Submission (Rear-naked choke)      Affliction - Banned      7/19/2008     
 Win    Hong Man Choi    Submission (Armbar)    Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007    12/31/2007    
 Win    Matt Lindland    Submission (Armbar)    Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations    4/14/2007    
 Win    Mark Hunt    Submission (Kimura)    PRIDE - Shockwave 2006    12/31/2006    
 Win    Mark Coleman    Submission (Armbar)    PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal    10/21/2006    
 Win    Wagner da Conceicao Martins    Submission (Punches)    PRIDE - Shockwave 2005    
 Win    Mirko Filipovic    Decision (Unaminous)    PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005    8/28/2005
 Win    Tsuyoshi Kohsaka    TKO (Doctor Stoppage)    PRIDE - Bushido 6    4/3/2005    
 Win    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira    Decision (Unanimous)    PRIDE - Shockwave 2004    12/31/2004    

so who's #1 ?
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 20, 2008, 06:15:39 PM
so who's #1 ?

depends on how you define it

Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Geo on November 20, 2008, 06:36:56 PM
depends on how you define it



#1 generally means who you think is the best  !
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 20, 2008, 06:42:49 PM
#1 generally means who you think is the best  !

depends on how you define the best
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: IronFan on November 20, 2008, 07:16:03 PM

All of these guys except Nog. are pretty much washed up. I want to see Fedor fight CURRENT top ranked fighters that are CURRENTLY top contenders. Don't get me wrong...Fedor is good, but you can't just ride the coat tails of the past and claim unbeatable status. What is the big deal with mentioning Crocop. We all know what happened when he tried to hang with the big boys. And Coleman...come on.

You had us going.  Good joke.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 20, 2008, 08:22:27 PM
He's beaten pretty much every fighter of significance but Barnett (the only person that stands even a remote chance of beating him), his brother and the most overrated fighter on the planet in Randy Couture.

his bro ain't too shabby either. record's 13-2 or something like that?

as for why fedor doesn't fight more... who wants to fight him? the guy's record is 29-1 and he hasn't lost a fight in eight years. it's not like he can book a fight every other month, the list of people who want to get into the cage/ring with him is pretty damn small. tim sylvia was the last one and after he got embarrassed (keeping in mind it took couture 5 rounds to get him to a decision), i have a feeling not many people feel like going against 'im.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 20, 2008, 08:28:07 PM
his bro ain't too shabby either. record's 13-2 or something like that?

as for why fedor doesn't fight more... who wants to fight him? the guy's record is 29-1 and he hasn't lost a fight in eight years. it's not like he can book a fight every other month, the list of people who want to get into the cage/ring with him is pretty damn small. tim sylvia was the last one and after he got embarrassed (keeping in mind it took couture 5 rounds to get him to a decision), i have a feeling not many people feel like going against 'im.


Exactly. Most of these people need to keep their image of being the "best" around because a number of people don't know who Fedor is. If they find out that this guy went out and got blasted by some random Russian dude, then it wouldn't look too good for their image. Why fight him when you can avoid it and get paid to fight other mediocre fighters who are considered "elite."

Aleks is very good too and they've said before that they would eventually like to fight. I don't think he's in Fedor's league but he's got the skills to compete, without a doubt.

Not only that, but it looks like Fedor keeps getting better with every fight since he came back.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 20, 2008, 08:37:39 PM
another good point there.

people over here keep bitching about "he's fighting nobodies", just because they aren't UFC fighters. as hard as it may be to believe, there actually are other organizations out there, and fedor took out the best they all had. what heavyweight in the UFC is he avoiding? right now it's brock (who he'd crush), nog (a guy he's crushed twice), mir (see brock), and couture (who lost to brock) that were angling for the UFC heavyweight title.

who's left? barnett seems about it. he's going to fight arlovski in january, but is anyone expecting an upset there?
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 20, 2008, 09:28:41 PM
are you for real?

Dead serious. I am not saying Fedor is not good, he could possibly be top contender. But to be top guy, you need to show that you can continually defend your status by winning top competition several times a year like all the rest of the champions. Come on, he's now fighting  Sylvia and Arvloski? Arvloski lost Twice to Sylvia. See what I mean?
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 20, 2008, 09:32:48 PM
so who's #1 ?

Right now, who knows. I will consider the whomever wins this series Mir/Nog/Lesnar the best HW in the world CURRENTLY at that time. Fedor has every right to hold out on the UFC, but let's face it, not fighting on MMA's center stage will cost you status.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: stone_cold_steve on November 21, 2008, 01:34:05 AM
When he fought crocop they where the two best HW in the world.  Crocop probably juiced but nevertheless he was a top fighter at that time.
Crocop may be over the hill right now but was arguable a top two HW when they fought.
You mention Nog.  The dude was mauled by Fedor twice. He was and still is one of the best ever.
Hunt isn't a can neither. that dude has a concrete head and prior to their fight he beat Crocop and wanderlei silva.

And no one likes Sylvia but you can't deny he was the nr1 UFC HW less than a year before he squared of with Fedor.


Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 21, 2008, 04:21:24 AM
his bro ain't too shabby either. record's 13-2 or something like that?

as for why fedor doesn't fight more... who wants to fight him? the guy's record is 29-1 and he hasn't lost a fight in eight years. it's not like he can book a fight every other month, the list of people who want to get into the cage/ring with him is pretty damn small. tim sylvia was the last one and after he got embarrassed (keeping in mind it took couture 5 rounds to get him to a decision), i have a feeling not many people feel like going against 'im.

so youre saying every good hw is afraid of fedor and his record? the only ones with balls are guys like Hong Man Choi and Wagner da Conceicao Martins?  ::)
what are they afraid of? he cant knock them out. he cant submit them, not if theyre any good. decision wins over crocop, nog and semmy schilt.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 21, 2008, 04:25:43 AM
When he fought crocop they where the two best HW in the world.  Crocop probably juiced but nevertheless he was a top fighter at that time.
Crocop may be over the hill right now but was arguable a top two HW when they fought.
You mention Nog.  The dude was mauled by Fedor twice. He was and still is one of the best ever.
Hunt isn't a can neither. that dude has a concrete head and prior to their fight he beat Crocop and wanderlei silva.

And no one likes Sylvia but you can't deny he was the nr1 UFC HW less than a year before he squared of with Fedor.




yeah he managed to beat crocop by decision.. nog by decision and submit mark hunt (in 8 minutes) but before that mark hunt was submitted by josh barnett in 2 minutes and after that he lost to overeem (submitted in 1 minute) thats 3 losses in a row for mark hunt all by submission... only fedor seems to have a problem with him the others submitted him almost instantly.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: smoothasf on November 21, 2008, 06:15:37 AM
last month in mma training i tapped out an mma pro with an undefeated record in less than a minute,  sometimes it takes me 10 minutes to get the submission, sometimes a newbie catches me with a fluke guillotine choke. 
The time it takes to beat someone is irrelevant, it depends in how long it takes a person to make a mistake and how good the other is at capitalising on it.

The winner makes the least mistake and takes full advantage of every little mistake the other makes.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: SinCitysmallGUY on November 21, 2008, 06:47:49 AM
So for the ones saying Fedor needs to fight the top HW's......

do you think Fedor should fight Kongo, Gonzaga, Nog (who he has beat twice BADLY), Big Country, Ben, Who does he need to fight? Please tell because I am curious who is a top HW that he needs to beat to prove to the world that he is the best HW in the world.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 21, 2008, 06:55:16 AM
He needs to fight top guys all the time to prove his the best, you cant just fight most guys and then fight cans and say "well i fought that guy already 4 years ago" this is a developing sport, fighters evolve maybe they were injured at the time, different rules etc apply
Nobody can and should live on old merits they constantly need to get in there and battle it out to see whos is the current champ!
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 21, 2008, 06:56:33 AM
So for the ones saying Fedor needs to fight the top HW's......

do you think Fedor should fight Kongo, Gonzaga, Nog (who he has beat twice BADLY), Big Country, Ben, Who does he need to fight? Please tell because I am curious who is a top HW that he needs to beat to prove to the world that he is the best HW in the world.

Assuming he get's past Arvloski, I would put him agaisnt the winner of Nog/Mir and Lesnar tournament. That would determine who the best in the world at HW is. He needs to work something out with the UFC and quit fighting in the minor leagues.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 21, 2008, 07:00:42 AM
Assuming he get's past Arvloski, I would put him agaisnt the winner of Nog/Mir and Lesnar tournament. That would determine who the best in the world at HW is. He needs to work something out with the UFC and quit fighting in the minor leagues.

Yes to be the best you gotta beat the best... that doesnt go for Fedor exlusively thats for everyone... the hw division isnt very big... it aint all that competitve compared to other divisions... they need to have them guys fight eachother !
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 21, 2008, 07:06:07 AM
Yes to be the best you gotta beat the best... that doesnt go for Fedor exlusively thats for everyone... the hw division isnt very big... it aint all that competitve compared to other divisions... they need to have them guys fight eachother !

Exactly. I like Fedor and do think he may be one of the best, but you have got to redeem your merits constantly to be a Champion. There is no way to do this while not being in the UFC.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 21, 2008, 07:20:13 AM
Exactly. I like Fedor and do think he may be one of the best, but you have got to redeem your merits constantly to be a Champion. There is no way to do this while not being in the UFC.

Yes and even though a champ doesnt fight as often as others, a champ gotta be sure that WHEN he DO fight he fights the best, the top contenders... thats what for example George st pierre does... you dont see him fighting chumps... he fights top competition... bj penn, sherk, koscheck, fitch etc
who do Fedor fight? Hong man choi! Wagner da Conceicao Martins (what the fuck?!) a washed out Coleman (twice they have him fight fedor!),  Tsuyoshi "TK" Kohsaka  (this dude has a record of 18 losses!!)

So not only doesnt Fedor fight much, when he do fight he fight cans half the time!
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: MindSpin on November 21, 2008, 10:18:45 AM
Everyone knows that most of Fedor's fights were fixed.  The reason he won't get in the cage, is because the UFC refuses to fix the fight...
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: SinCitysmallGUY on November 21, 2008, 10:26:12 AM
Everyone knows that most of Fedor's fights were fixed.  The reason he won't get in the cage, is because the UFC refuses to fix the fight...

Mind get out of here with your conspiracy theories.. His fights weren't fixed...  People  don't get beat up like that for any amount of cash!
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 21, 2008, 10:31:44 AM
Im gonna keep a close eye on the Arlovski fight, just in case...
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 21, 2008, 11:03:21 AM
Assuming he get's past Arvloski, I would put him agaisnt the winner of Nog/Mir and Lesnar tournament. That would determine who the best in the world at HW is. He needs to work something out with the UFC and quit fighting in the minor leagues.

he already beat nog twice, lesnar was crushing mir until he forgot to watch his ankle and if you think lesnar has a chance against fedor you're a moron. fedor was beating nog, crocop, and others when they were still closer to their primes. there is no one outside of barnett that fedor needs to prove himself against.

frankly even if he does lose to arlovski or anyone in the next year or so, that doesn't change the fact that from 2001-2008 fedor was the most dominant MMA fighter on the planet bar none.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: stone_cold_steve on November 21, 2008, 11:26:44 AM
yeah he managed to beat crocop by decision.. nog by decision and submit mark hunt (in 8 minutes) but before that mark hunt was submitted by josh barnett in 2 minutes and after that he lost to overeem (submitted in 1 minute) thats 3 losses in a row for mark hunt all by submission... only fedor seems to have a problem with him the others submitted him almost instantly.


Before he fought Fedor he had three or four wins in a row. Besides it's not math or logic. A defeats B defeats C therefor A defeats C,... it doesn't work like that.
Who do you consider the Nr 1 HW?
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: nomogetsced on November 21, 2008, 11:30:37 AM
agree. these guys that doubt him are idiots. fedor its a gift to watch him fight. thats just how i feel and probably true mma fans feel also
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 21, 2008, 12:20:27 PM
agree. these guys that doubt him are idiots. fedor its a gift to watch him fight. thats just how i feel and probably true mma fans feel also

any particular fight you enjoy watching? maybe his 36 seconds against sylvia? his fight against hong man choi? his fight to the lightweight matt lindland (who fought in ufc back in 2005), his fight against stand up fighter mark hunt? his fight againt zuluzinho? his two fights against washed out coleman? his fight against kohsaka? against ogawa?

i've seen a lot of good fights in the last few years but none of them included fedor
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 21, 2008, 12:22:29 PM
he already beat nog twice, lesnar was crushing mir until he forgot to watch his ankle and if you think lesnar has a chance against fedor you're a moron. fedor was beating nog, crocop, and others when they were still closer to their primes. there is no one outside of barnett that fedor needs to prove himself against.

frankly even if he does lose to arlovski or anyone in the next year or so, that doesn't change the fact that from 2001-2008 fedor was the most dominant MMA fighter on the planet bar none.

Fedor WAS a very dominant fighter. Back in the early to mid 2000's he was fighting the best there was at the time. Definitely a legend. All I am saying is that in the past few years he has dropped status because a lack of fighting CURRENT top heavyweights...even if he has beaten them YEARS ago. Got to keep up with the game.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 21, 2008, 12:26:01 PM
agree. these guys that doubt him are idiots. fedor its a gift to watch him fight. thats just how i feel and probably true mma fans feel also

When was the last time Fedor fought an exciting fight? Maybe when Lindland handled him and he had to grab the ropes to save his ass. Remember, true MMA fans evolve with the sport. This is not 2004 ::)
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 21, 2008, 12:31:07 PM
At the end of the day you wanna watch good matchups and exciting fights and that doesnt go hand in hand with Fedor... he rarely fights anyone good and when he does it goes to decision... not exactly what I'm looking for in a fight.

Fedor would never win the "fight of the night" in a show thats for sure and neither submission or KO of the night either...
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: stone_cold_steve on November 21, 2008, 02:01:16 PM
You guys really don't like the dude.  Nothing wrong with that, but it ain't a popularity contest.  It's not about being the most exciting fighter, it's about getting the job done.  You can't argue with the numbers, he never lost (I don't consider that one elbow as loss and it was avenged).

That being said I would love to see him fight in UFC. Maybe Mir then Couture Then Lesnar and finally Nog (who would be undisputed UFC HW champ at that time).
Still The fight against Arlovski is promissing as well.  You got to admit that's some solid competition right there.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 21, 2008, 02:19:05 PM
You guys really don't like the dude.  Nothing wrong with that, but it ain't a popularity contest.  It's not about being the most exciting fighter, it's about getting the job done.  You can't argue with the numbers, he never lost (I don't consider that one elbow as loss and it was avenged).

That being said I would love to see him fight in UFC. Maybe Mir then Couture Then Lesnar and finally Nog (who would be undisputed UFC HW champ at that time).
Still The fight against Arlovski is promissing as well.  You got to admit that's some solid competition right there.


I like Fedor and would love to see him fight any and all of these guys. When he starts beating real competition again,(Arvloski is a good start, but not near the top) he will be top HW in my eyes. Until then, there are a lot of unknowns.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 21, 2008, 02:23:33 PM
Why is the burden of proof on Fedor? He's dismantled every single fighter thrown at him. He established himself as the best years ago. I know the UFC fanboys like Bluto can't come to grips with that, but there is not one fighter in their capable of even posing a challenge. There are a few HW's capable of giving him a match, and they aren't in the UFC. Get over it. 
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 21, 2008, 02:31:13 PM
Why is the burden of proof on Fedor? He's dismantled every single fighter thrown at him. He established himself as the best years ago. I know the UFC fanboys like Bluto can't come to grips with that, but there is not one fighter in their capable of even posing a challenge. There are a few HW's capable of giving him a match, and they aren't in the UFC. Get over it. 

Years ago...exactly. Just like Matt Hughes, Liddell, etc. did a while ago. Sorry, but fighting Sylvia and Arvloski, UFC rejects, just does not cut it to keep #1 status.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: MindSpin on November 21, 2008, 02:52:24 PM
Mind get out of here with your conspiracy theories.. His fights weren't fixed...  People  don't get beat up like that for any amount of cash!

They were all submission wins...clearly a fix.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: stone_cold_steve on November 21, 2008, 03:07:13 PM
Years ago...exactly. Just like Matt Hughes, Liddell, etc. did a while ago. Sorry, but fighting Sylvia and Arvloski, UFC rejects, just does not cut it to keep #1 status.

Both Hughes and Liddell have faced some losses, Fedor hasn't.  And allhough his recent competition wasn't tot notch, the thing is:  you got to beat the champ to become the champ.

As him being not interesting.. I think it's entertaining to see guys like Bob sapp trying to bumrush some dude or two guys trying to knock eachothers head of, but only for a few minutes.  I guess I can appreciate technique and skill more. 
If you're into knock outs watch boxing or K1, this however is MMA a submission counts as much as a victory as a KO.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 21, 2008, 03:45:59 PM
Both Hughes and Liddell have faced some losses, Fedor hasn't.  And allhough his recent competition wasn't tot notch, the thing is:  you got to beat the champ to become the champ.

As him being not interesting.. I think it's entertaining to see guys like Bob sapp trying to bumrush some dude or two guys trying to knock eachothers head of, but only for a few minutes.  I guess I can appreciate technique and skill more. 
If you're into knock outs watch boxing or K1, this however is MMA a submission counts as much as a victory as a KO.

Liddell and Hughes have losses because they didn't dodge top competition. Bottom line... I like to see good MMA skills as well. You have to admit, the UFC may not have all of the best fighters in the world, but they have more than any other promotion. Fedor is not really a champ right now in my eyes...he has an Affliction belt. ::) He needs to step up to the big leagues, where earning a belt means something.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 21, 2008, 03:46:02 PM
Both Hughes and Liddell have faced some losses, Fedor hasn't.  And allhough his recent competition wasn't tot notch, the thing is:  you got to beat the champ to become the champ.

As him being not interesting.. I think it's entertaining to see guys like Bob sapp trying to bumrush some dude or two guys trying to knock eachothers head of, but only for a few minutes.  I guess I can appreciate technique and skill more. 
If you're into knock outs watch boxing or K1, this however is MMA a submission counts as much as a victory as a KO.

And how many interesting submission victories against SKILLED opponets have Fedor provided the last few years? Exactly which fights are you refering to when you talk about your appreciation of technique and skill?
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: nomogetsced on November 21, 2008, 03:50:06 PM
all i think is that yeah he hasnt fought top dogs lately and the grabbing the ropes on lindland didnt he finish off his back? anyways he wins his fights and no top guys want to fight him but randy. come on guys he is a bad ass got dropped on his head and didnt phase him. i just have a lot of respect for him and what he has done i just think PEOPLE  should be doggin on him
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 21, 2008, 07:27:52 PM
I like Fedor and would love to see him fight any and all of these guys. When he starts beating real competition again,(Arvloski is a good start, but not near the top) he will be top HW in my eyes. Until then, there are a lot of unknowns.

he already beat nog twice. if nog beats mir and lesnar, and fedor's already beaten nog TWICE, what's the problem?
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: chaos on November 21, 2008, 07:46:10 PM
he already beat nog twice. if nog beats mir and lesnar, and fedor's already beaten nog TWICE, what's the problem?
Before he fought Fedor he had three or four wins in a row. Besides it's not math or logic. A defeats B defeats C therefor A defeats C,... it doesn't work like that.Who do you consider the Nr 1 HW?
I have to agree with Bluto, at one time he may have been the best, so was Mike Tyson, what is he now? Fedor hasn't fought top competition in years, regardless in UFC or not. He's fought a couple of loopy gooks and a couple of UFC dropouts, whoopie. If he truely wants to be known as #1, he has to step up and continually prove it.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 21, 2008, 07:49:47 PM
Liddell and Hughes have losses because they didn't dodge top competition. Bottom line... I like to see good MMA skills as well. You have to admit, the UFC may not have all of the best fighters in the world, but they have more than any other promotion. Fedor is not really a champ right now in my eyes...he has an Affliction belt. ::) He needs to step up to the big leagues, where earning a belt means something.

What exactly are the big leagues? The UFC? Their HW division is absolutely embarrassing. They don't have more than any promotion. Their HW division is absolutely pathetic. How many times does he have to demolish Big Nog before it counts? 100? Lesnar? Joke. Couture? Would get annihilated. There is one fighter around right now that stands a chance of beating Fedor, and that's Barnett. And he's not a UFC fighter. There is not nor has there been anyone in Fedor's league that was a HW in the UFC. Get over it, UFC fanboy.

I have to agree with Bluto, at one time he may have been the best, so was Mike Tyson, what is he now? Fedor hasn't fought top competition in years, regardless in UFC or not. He's fought a couple of loopy gooks and a couple of UFC dropouts, whoopie. If he truely wants to be known as #1, he has to step up and continually prove it.

People keep saying "top competition." Who is the top competition, exactly? Big Nog? Destroyed. A year ago Tim Sylvia was considered the 2nd best HW in the UFC HW division behind Couture. We saw what Fedor did to him.


Instead of everyone saying "top competition," start naming names.




The old PRIDE HW division was considered the best HW div. ever assembled. Fedor dismantled it. The sham that is the UFC HW division doesn't hold a candle to it, as evidenced by their former champ getting the shit knocked out of him.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: chaos on November 21, 2008, 07:58:40 PM
Honestly I don't care enough to get riled up, but if he wants to continue to fight washed up UFC rejects, then so be it, it's his reputation to lose. The records will show he spent the last years of his career fighting guys that couldn't cut it in the UFC, instead of fighting guys that can.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 21, 2008, 08:06:36 PM
Honestly I don't care enough to get riled up, but if he wants to continue to fight washed up UFC rejects, then so be it, it's his reputation to lose. The records will show he spent the last years of his career fighting guys that couldn't cut it in the UFC, instead of fighting guys that can.

Who should he fight then? Can you name one guy that's not a UFC reject that should fight him? Mir? He's the definition of UFC reject. Lesnar? He beat a 45 year old guy who was the most overrated fighter on the planet. Who else? The UFC HW division is embarrassing.

He has beaten every great HW of the last 5 years but Barnett.

I just find it funny that Bluto and the other clowns keep saying he should fight the best, but they have yet to name one fighter they consider the "best". Just further proving that Bluto doesn't know jack shit about MMA.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: chaos on November 21, 2008, 08:14:16 PM
Who should he fight then? Can you name one guy that's not a UFC reject that should fight him? Mir? He's the definition of UFC reject. Lesnar? He beat a 45 year old guy who was the most overrated fighter on the planet. Who else? The UFC HW division is embarrassing.

He has beaten every great HW of the last 5 years but Barnett.

I just find it funny that Bluto and the other clowns keep saying he should fight the best, but they have yet to name one fighter they consider the "best". Just further proving that Bluto doesn't know jack shit about MMA.
OK, let's reverse this.......who outside of the UFC, besides Barnett, is worthy of fighting Fedor?

Is he going to spend his final years claiming to be the best while fighting in high school gymnasiums for 30 people against some drunk hack?
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 21, 2008, 09:23:01 PM
he already beat nog twice. if nog beats mir and lesnar, and fedor's already beaten nog TWICE, what's the problem?

If Nog beats Mir and Lesnar I would say he is CURRENT champ of the world. At that point he would have pretty much beat the CURRENT top fighters.

So what if Fedor beat Nog twice, this is 2008. Maybe Nog has improved? Rampage and Wandy are fighting for a third time and I still see it as  a great fight. Times have changed. Fightrers have changed.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 21, 2008, 09:36:07 PM
So what if Fedor has beeat Nog twice....times have changed. Fighters have changed.

The phillies beat the rays this year in MLB world series. Does that mean next year the phillies don't need to play the rays in a worls series even though they will have beaten everyone else in the league that year? ::)
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: gracie bjj on November 22, 2008, 01:17:59 AM
lets not forget that many of those guys he beat were considered very dangerous fighters at that time he fought them,cro cop might be losing in the ufc but in pride he was very dangerous,as was coleman,sylvia and nog
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: americanbulldog on November 22, 2008, 02:15:31 AM
All he has to do is actually fight top 10 guys several times a year like all the others. Then he might get the respect that he deserves. We can only speculate how good Fedor CURRENTLY is.

Can't believe you have the third Nog fight listed as someone who isn't top ten.  Nog was the Pride heavyweight champ, is the current UFC heavyweight champ, and Fedor put a beating on him like no ones business.  His fight with Mirko was right after Mirko cleaned up the Pride tourney beating Wandy by vicious KO.  He can't win, it seems, to some of you guys.  He DESTROYS TIMAY, and people says he was washed up.  When he destroys glass jaw Arlovski, people will say he was washed up as well.  Lol at the mmaignorance on this board. 
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: stone_cold_steve on November 22, 2008, 06:02:10 AM
OK, let's reverse this.......who outside of the UFC, besides Barnett, is worthy of fighting Fedor?

Is he going to spend his final years claiming to be the best while fighting in high school gymnasiums for 30 people against some drunk hack?


Geared up Crocop
Maybe Overeem
His brother  ;D
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 22, 2008, 07:41:19 AM
OK, let's reverse this.......who outside of the UFC, besides Barnett, is worthy of fighting Fedor?

Is he going to spend his final years claiming to be the best while fighting in high school gymnasiums for 30 people against some drunk hack?

There are a lot more fighters outside the UFC capable of beating him than inside it. Barnett, Hunt, Aleks, Sergei are all better fighters than 99% of the UFC HW's. And none of those guys are on his level.

I don't know why people want to see him fight Nog again. Nog is still great, but he looks like nothing compared to what he was like when he was the Pride HW champ. He's older, slower and not as dangerous now. Who the hell wants to see him fight Nog again? He's fought him 3 times, and absolutely destroyed him every time. No one gives a shit about seeing that fight again.

Funny how Sylvia was the HW champ, took the "Legendary" Couture to a decision, Fedor beats him in 37 seconds and he's apparently washed up.

There is NO ONE in the UFC that could hold Fedor's jockstrap and he would do nothing but fight cans if he were to sign there.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 22, 2008, 01:09:42 PM
who cares about fedor
he hardly ever fights and when he do fight he either fight a can or fight someone he cant finish
sure a nerd can find pleasure in going back memory lane and jerk off to his record but for the rest of us who live in the present we want to be entertained
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: stone_cold_steve on November 22, 2008, 02:37:19 PM
who cares about fedor
he hardly ever fights and when he do fight he either fight a can or fight someone he cant finish
sure a nerd can find pleasure in going back memory lane and jerk off to his record but for the rest of us who live in the present we want to be entertained

Don't tell me you weren't at least a bit entertained by him mauling Sylvia.  Now I know thats an UFC reject but he ain't no can either.
Then again Fedor vs Brock ASAP. They have a score to settle.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 22, 2008, 02:43:45 PM

sure a nerd can find pleasure


Name:     Bluto
Posts:    31719 (20.597 per day)

Irony. Methinks the only thing pleasuring you is your right/left hand, kid.  :D
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 03:16:47 PM
There are a lot more fighters outside the UFC capable of beating him than inside it. Barnett, Hunt, Aleks, Sergei are all better fighters than 99% of the UFC HW's. And none of those guys are on his level.

I don't know why people want to see him fight Nog again. Nog is still great, but he looks like nothing compared to what he was like when he was the Pride HW champ. He's older, slower and not as dangerous now. Who the hell wants to see him fight Nog again? He's fought him 3 times, and absolutely destroyed him every time. No one gives a shit about seeing that fight again.

Funny how Sylvia was the HW champ, took the "Legendary" Couture to a decision, Fedor beats him in 37 seconds and he's apparently washed up.

There is NO ONE in the UFC that could hold Fedor's jockstrap and he would do nothing but fight cans if he were to sign there.


You guys act like I am saying Fedor is not a legend...he is. I am just saying that it is time to come to the UFC if he wants to earn his #1 status back. I also am not saying that I want him to fight Nog, but if it ends up that way if Nog beats everyone other challenger, then they should fight. I just want to put an end to all the bickering on all sides and bring him to the UFC where he will be exposed to the biggest audience, and let him show everyone how much of a bad as he can be. If he STILL has it in him ;D
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 22, 2008, 03:23:12 PM
Don't tell me you weren't at least a bit entertained by him mauling Sylvia.  Now I know thats an UFC reject but he ain't no can either.
Then again Fedor vs Brock ASAP. They have a score to settle.

nah never cared much for syliva no matter who he faced
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 22, 2008, 03:25:27 PM

You guys act like I am saying Fedor is not a legend...he is. I am just saying that it is time to come to the UFC if he wants to earn his #1 status back. I also am not saying that I want him to fight Nog, but if it ends up that way if Nog beats everyone other challenger, then they should fight. I just want to put an end to all the bickering on all sides and bring him to the UFC where he will be exposed to the biggest audience, and let him show everyone how much of a bad as he can be. If he STILL has it in him ;D

Why is it time to come to the UFC? There are no good fighters outside of Nog in the UFC HW division. Lesnar is overrated and unproven. Mir is not very good. No one wants to see him fight Nog again. 3 times against Nog in his prime were more than enough. There are no good HWs in the UFC period.

How would he still not have it in him? Tim Sylvia had the UFC belt less than 2 years ago. Fedor beat him in 37 seconds after it took Couture 5 rounds to erk a decision out. If he wants to prove himself, he needs to avoid fighting in that league of cans and washed up wannabes. He needs to fight Barnett, as he's the only HW worth a shit that stands a chance of beating him. And it's not a very good chance anyway.

How many times are the jealous UFC fanboys going to bitch about this guy? Every time they say he's getting old, washed up, he's not that good and every time he goes out there and shoves their words down their throats.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 03:26:07 PM
Can't believe you have the third Nog fight listed as someone who isn't top ten.  Nog was the Pride heavyweight champ, is the current UFC heavyweight champ, and Fedor put a beating on him like no ones business.  His fight with Mirko was right after Mirko cleaned up the Pride tourney beating Wandy by vicious KO.  He can't win, it seems, to some of you guys.  He DESTROYS TIMAY, and people says he was washed up.  When he destroys glass jaw Arlovski, people will say he was washed up as well.  Lol at the mmaignorance on this board. 

Ok give him the third nog fight...what others recently besides Tim? I have said it before, I will not be impressed at all if he wins Arvloski. I expect him to win. Not only did big Tim beat Arvloski twice, but Andre has weak fists, they are powerful, but not real one punch HW power. Doesn't really matter what happened in the past, Mirko beat everyone in Pride, and then gets demolished in UFC, what does that say about Pride competition? Or is it something else?
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 22, 2008, 03:27:54 PM
Ok give him the third nog fight...what others recently besides Tim? I have said it before, I will not be impressed at all if he wins Arvloski. I expect him to win. Not only did big Tim beat Arvloski twice, but Andre has weak fists, they are powerful, but not real one punch HW power. Doesn't really matter what happened in the past, Mirko beat everyone in Pride, and then gets demolished in UFC, what does that say about Pride competition? Or is it something else?

You've yet to name one fighter in the UFC capable of beating him. WHO? Name one guy not named Nogueira so I can laugh. You have to be new to MMA. Typical TUF reject that can't come to grips with the fact that his heroes in the UFC aren't the best out there.

Your argument about Mirko holds no water. Liddell went over to Pride and got demolished. He then came back to the UFC and couldn't lose. Rampage couldn't do shit in Japan but won the UFC belt in 6 months.  ::)
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 03:29:09 PM
Why is it time to come to the UFC? There are no good fighters outside of Nog in the UFC HW division. Lesnar is overrated and unproven. Mir is not very good. No one wants to see him fight Nog again. 3 times against Nog in his prime were more than enough. There are no good HWs in the UFC period.

How would he still not have it in him? Tim Sylvia had the UFC belt less than 2 years ago. Fedor beat him in 37 seconds after it took Couture 5 rounds to erk a decision out. If he wants to prove himself, he needs to avoid fighting in that league of cans and washed up wannabes.

So I guess it looks better when he is fighting Arvloski, who by the way was beaten twice by Tim, instead of fighting in the UFC ???
I am sure he could fight the biggest can ever and more people would watch (and give respect) then fighting Arvloski on the Affliction card.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 22, 2008, 03:30:18 PM
So I guess it looks better when he is fighting Arvloski, who by the way was beaten twice by Tim, instead of fighting in the UFC ???
I am sure he could fight the biggest can ever and more people would watch (and give respect) then fighting Arvloski on the Affliction card.

Still haven't named a UFC fighter. Who are these great UFC HW fighters? Who? Frank Mir? LOL. That's a good one. Brock Lesnar? Wow, beats a 45 year old guy and he's on par with Fedor.  ::)

Nog? Lost 3 times to Fedor. Who else? There is not one UFC fighter in his class. It would be embarrassing for him to go to the UFC. He'd fight cans for the rest of his career, while guys like Barnett and other capable HWs fight elsewhere.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 03:35:59 PM
You've yet to name one fighter in the UFC capable of beating him. WHO? Name one guy not named Nogueira so I can laugh. You have to be new to MMA. Typical TUF reject that can't come to grips with the fact that his heroes in the UFC aren't the best out there.

Your argument about Mirko holds no water. Liddell went over to Pride and got demolished. He then came back to the UFC and couldn't lose. Rampage couldn't do shit in Japan but won the UFC belt in 6 months.  ::)

I have said before, I don't know who is the best HW right now. I want to see once and for all myself. There may be better guys out there, but the best chance at having the most entertaining fights, with the most people watching to see once and for all, would be in the UFC.

Name one HW in the past TWO YEARS that has actually done something, not in the UFC. See all your old pride heroes are just that, old memories. Remember, just because they whooped ass 5 years ago in a pride tourney, really does not mean anything now.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 22, 2008, 03:46:51 PM
I have said before, I don't know who is the best HW right now. I want to see once and for all myself. There may be better guys out there, but the best chance at having the most entertaining fights, with the most people watching to see once and for all, would be in the UFC.

Name one HW in the past TWO YEARS that has actually done something, not in the UFC. See all your old pride heroes are just that, old memories. Remember, just because they whooped ass 5 years ago in a pride tourney, really does not mean anything now.

What has one HW done in the UFC in the past 2 years? That division is such a joke that a retired, 40+ year old guy came back and won the belt instantaneously. Talk about an absolutely embarrassing division. No one will prove anything fighting in the UFC beyond which can is better than the other. The only fighter worth his salt in there is Nog and he's lost to Fedor 3 times. I'm not interested in seeing him fight anyone besides Barnett, Aleks or Sergei and not a single one of them is in the UFC. Those are the guys capable of actually giving him a fight. Not the UFC cans. I don't need to some boring ass beatdown of Mir, Lesnar, Couture or Nog for the fourth time.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 22, 2008, 03:52:06 PM
twice to nog, one time was no contest (accidental cut)
no contest dont count in mma
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 22, 2008, 03:53:36 PM
twice to nog, one time was no contest
no contest dont count in mma


Sure it does. He destroyed him that fight. It goes down in the books as a NC, but anyone who saw the fight saw the results. Nice that you're trying to act like you can contribute, Bluto. Spending another Saturday night on Getbig, you party animal you?

It's funny how the UFC fanboys can't come to grips with the fact that the UFC HW division is a complete embarrassment and has been for years now.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 03:56:26 PM
What has one HW done in the UFC in the past 2 years? That division is such a joke that a retired, 40+ year old guy came back and won the belt instantaneously. Talk about an absolutely embarrassing division. No one will prove anything fighting in the UFC beyond which can is better than the other. The only fighter worth his salt in there is Nog and he's lost to Fedor 3 times. I'm not interested in seeing him fight anyone besides Barnett, Aleks or Sergei and not a single one of them is in the UFC. Those are the guys capable of actually giving him a fight. Not the UFC cans. I don't need to some boring ass beatdown of Mir, Lesnar, Couture or Nog for the fourth time.

Well the old man and Brock was a good fight all in all. Exciting start to finish. 1.2 million PPV. Noobs or not...those are the matchup today's mma fan wants to see as well as use to rate the fighters.

How many PPV views do you think the Fedor/Arvloski fight is pulling in. Maybe 500,000 on a good night. Nobody cares.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 03:57:04 PM
What has one HW done in the UFC in the past 2 years? That division is such a joke that a retired, 40+ year old guy came back and won the belt instantaneously. Talk about an absolutely embarrassing division. No one will prove anything fighting in the UFC beyond which can is better than the other. The only fighter worth his salt in there is Nog and he's lost to Fedor 3 times. I'm not interested in seeing him fight anyone besides Barnett, Aleks or Sergei and not a single one of them is in the UFC. Those are the guys capable of actually giving him a fight. Not the UFC cans. I don't need to some boring ass beatdown of Mir, Lesnar, Couture or Nog for the fourth time.

Well the old man and Brock was a good fight all in all. Exciting start to finish. 1.2 million PPV. Noobs or not...those are the matchup today's mma fan wants to see as well as use to rate the fighters.

How many PPV views do you think the Fedor/Arvloski fight is pulling in. Maybe 500,000 on a good night. Nobody cares.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 22, 2008, 03:59:59 PM
Well the old man and Brock was a good fight all in all. Exciting start to finish. 1.2 million PPV. Noobs or not...those are the matchup today's mma fan wants to see as well as use to rate the fighters.

How many PPV views do you think the Fedor/Arvloski fight is pulling in. Maybe 500,000 on a good night. Nobody cares.

So you judge skill by PPV sales? Jesus, you're a TUF fanboy. Most Americans have no idea who Fedor is. According to you, that means he sucks. That is terrific logic.

Most people don't rate the fighters by those matchups. Those are the matchups they want to see. They couldn't care less about "skill".




Shit, going by your logic, Kimbo Slice is arguably the greatest MMA fighter to ever live.  ::)
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 22, 2008, 04:00:48 PM
Sure it does. He destroyed him that fight. It goes down in the books as a NC, but anyone who saw the fight saw the results.

a fight that ends in the first round by accidental cut doesnt count. which makes it twice he beat nog, not three times
try to get your facts straights
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 22, 2008, 04:04:38 PM
why would most americans care about fedor? dude doesnt fight the best, hardly fights anyone and whenever he decides to fight someone it's a can!

why would anyone pay to see that? make no sense
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 04:07:14 PM
Sure it does. He destroyed him that fight. It goes down in the books as a NC, but anyone who saw the fight saw the results. Nice that you're trying to act like you can contribute, Bluto. Spending another Saturday night on Getbig, you party animal you?

It's funny how the UFC fanboys can't come to grips with the fact that the UFC HW division is a complete embarrassment and has been for years now.

You say the UFC HW division is an embarassmant, while every other promotion except the UFC, has been a complete embarrassment. The rest are seriously hard to watch...or should I say WERE hard to watch.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 22, 2008, 04:09:53 PM
Double post meltdown. Didn't bother to read any of them. BlutOWNED. Reading one TUF fanboy's retarded posts is hard enough Bluto, we'll just ignore yours and file them under the "kid who cried hard enough to get modded" folder. :D

You say the UFC HW division is an embarassmant, while every other promotion except the UFC, has been a complete embarrassment. The rest are seriously hard to watch...or should I say WERE hard to watch.

The UFC HW division is seriously hard to watch. Shit, it was so fucking pathetic they had to convince a 44 year old guy to come out of retirement to spice it up. And what did he do? He beat the guy who had beaten every other fighter in the division in his first fight back. Talk about a complete embarrassment. That division is a complete joke. It's seriously painful to watch.

Let's use your logic, though. Kimbo Slice is THE greatest MMA fighter EVER!
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 22, 2008, 04:12:11 PM
You say the UFC HW division is an embarassmant, while every other promotion except the UFC, has been a complete embarrassment. The rest are seriously hard to watch...or should I say WERE hard to watch.

Fedor fanboys are some weak bitches, they pick the guy everybody loves and who statistically is the best that requires no balls whatsoever just going with the flow... second they think theyre special cause they watched fights in pride, they think it make them sound like theyve been around forever but everybody i know did the same thing...

I say to go AGAINST fedor with some legit criticism is what takes balls, not hanging to his.  :D
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 04:14:58 PM
Double post meltdown. Didn't bother to read any of them. BlutOWNED. Reading one TUF fanboy's retarded posts is hard enough Bluto, we'll just ignore yours and file them under the "kid who cried hard enough to get modded" folder. :D

The UFC HW division is seriously hard to watch. Shit, it was so fucking pathetic they had to convince a 44 year old guy to come out of retirement to spice it up. And what did he do? He beat the guy who had beaten every other fighter in the division in his first fight back. Talk about a complete embarrassment. That division is a complete joke. It's seriously painful to watch.

Let's use your logic, though. Kimbo Slice is THE greatest MMA fighter EVER!

Ok enough debate about UFC etc....

Back to the original question... Who does Fedor fight aftet top contender Arvloski? Or does he just sit out for 2 years?
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 22, 2008, 04:17:02 PM
Ok enough debate about UFC etc....

Back to the original question... Who does Fedor fight aftet top contender Arvloski? Or does he just sit out for 2 years?

He fights Barnett, who is the only HW fighter worth a shit that he hasn't fought yet. Oh, that's right, Barnett isn't a UFC HW.

Him fighting in the UFC won't prove anything. All it will show is that he can win fights that everyone expects him to.

Can you make a case for any current UFC HW being better than Fedor? I'd love to hear this.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 04:18:08 PM
Fedor fanboys are some weak bitches, they pick the guy everybody loves and who statistically is the best that requires no balls whatsoever just going with the flow... second they think theyre special cause they watched fights in pride, they think it make them sound like theyve been around forever but everybody i know did the same thing...

I say to go AGAINST fedor with some legit criticism is what takes balls, not hanging to his.  :D


Exaclty. IMO opinion it takes a skilled MMA fan to see through the Fedor b.s. Not saying he is not good, just doesn't prove it often.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 22, 2008, 04:19:35 PM
Fedor will fight in ADCC Championships in 2009... and after that i bet he wants his revenge in Sambo... so MMA isnt his first pick, maybe they can throw in some japanese giant there somewhere and have Fedor choke him out on new years  ::)
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 22, 2008, 04:21:40 PM
Exaclty. IMO opinion it takes a skilled MMA fan to see through the Fedor b.s. Not saying he is not good, just doesn't prove it often.

Yup of course he's good, thats not the point... but Fedor can be criticized and thats what we do, but some people cant take that happens to their IDOL (their easy pick, they pick the favorite and then defend him)... kinda like a girl who knows nothing about football ask her husband who's winning so she can follow the "winning team" and make it easy for herself...

It takes some balls and REAL knowledge and interest in MMA to be able to criticize the top dogs and their game!
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 22, 2008, 04:22:24 PM
Exaclty. IMO opinion it takes a skilled MMA fan to see through the Fedor b.s. Not saying he is not good, just doesn't prove it often.

To see through the Fedor bs? You're only proving yourself an idiot in this thread. You just said you equate skill to PPV sales and fighter popularity. Going by your logic, Kimbo Slice is the greatest MMA fighter to ever live.

Not only that, but you're consistently ignoring my question. Let's hear you make a claim for any of these UFC HW's being better than Fedor. Stop avoiding it because you know you'll make a fool out of yourself. Let's hear your reasoning.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 04:22:39 PM
He fights Barnett, who is the only HW fighter worth a shit that he hasn't fought yet. Oh, that's right, Barnett isn't a UFC HW.

Him fighting in the UFC won't prove anything. All it will show is that he can win fights that everyone expects him to.

Can you make a case for any current UFC HW being better than Fedor? I'd love to hear this.

Who cares if he fights Barnett...He has the same story as Fedor. Who has Barnett beat lately?

I said before...I don't want to put one UFC fighter over Fedor...I want to see them all fight and end up with one winner. Then we wouldn't have these debates. Times have changed, fighters have changed.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 22, 2008, 04:24:08 PM
Who cares if he fights Barnett...He has the same story as Fedor. Who has Barnett beat lately?

I said before...I don't want to put one UFC fighter over Fedor...I want to see them all fight and end up with one winner. Then we wouldn't have these debates. Times have changed, fighters have changed.

You want to see him fight these UFC guys because you're a UFC fanboy. I'd rather see him fight guys who are actually skilled and capable of giving him fight. Not the freakshow Brock Lesnar or a 45 year old Randy Couture. Talk about boring fights. ::)

You clowns have yet to justify any of your points. You just keep saying "UFC this, UFC that." Let's hear you guys make your cases for any of these UFC fighters being better than Fedor. Let's see you reference their records, their accomplishments, their recent fights. I'd love to see the reasoning behind the logic. I'm sure it's embarrassingly inept.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 22, 2008, 04:28:20 PM
Randy vs Brock was far more interesting than any recent fight with Fedor thats for sure...
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 04:30:39 PM
To see through the Fedor bs? You're only proving yourself an idiot in this thread. You just said you equate skill to PPV sales and fighter popularity. Going by your logic, Kimbo Slice is the greatest MMA fighter to ever live.

Not only that, but you're consistently ignoring my question. Let's hear you make a claim for any of these UFC HW's being better than Fedor. Stop avoiding it because you know you'll make a fool out of yourself. Let's hear your reasoning.

Not what was intended...but keep hugging Fedor that is fine. Hopefully Affliction will be around long enough to see him fight a couple more times. Don't be mad at me cause I like the UFC. I don't know about you, but I watch all MMA to be entertained. I like the org. that puts on the best fights. The fans need to see exposure of the fighters to really gain fighter personality etc. The UFC does this...I have not seen any other orgs do this except the WEC...but that is still UFC. Any others come to mind. Hate the UFC all you want...It rules MMA :o
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 04:33:34 PM
You want to see him fight these UFC guys because you're a UFC fanboy. I'd rather see him fight guys who are actually skilled and capable of giving him fight. Not the freakshow Brock Lesnar or a 45 year old Randy Couture. Talk about boring fights. ::)

You clowns have yet to justify any of your points. You just keep saying "UFC this, UFC that." Let's hear you guys make your cases for any of these UFC fighters being better than Fedor. Let's see you reference their records, their accomplishments, their recent fights. I'd love to see the reasoning behind the logic. I'm sure it's embarrassingly inept.

I never said anyone in the UFC was better than Fedor. I just said Fedor is not better or worse himself and has not proved 1 status by fighting the guys he has been fighting in the last few years. They ALL need to fight. None are better or worse.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 22, 2008, 04:35:01 PM
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"nooooooo dont say that about my idol fedor!!! he is my hero!"
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 04:43:01 PM
Are you seriously telling me Barnett is one of the best??? You are watching too many Pride dvd's. delusional.

 Win      Pedro Rizzo      KO (Punch)      Affliction - Banned      7/19/2008     2     1:44
 Win    Jeff Monson    Decision (Unanimous)    Sengoku - Second Battle    5/18/2008    3    5:00
 Win    Hidehiko Yoshida    Submission (Heel Hook)    Sengoku - First Battle    3/5/2008    3    3:23
 Loss    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira    Decision (Unanimous)    PRIDE - Shockwave 2006    12/31/2006    3    5:00
 Win    Pawel Nastula    Submission (Toe Hold)    PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal    10/21/2006    2    3:04
 Loss    Mirko Filipovic    Submission (Strikes)    PRIDE - Final Conflict Absolute    9/10/2006    1    5:32
 Win    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira    Decision (Split)    PRIDE - Final Conflict Absolute    9/10/2006    2    5:00
 Win    Mark Hunt    Submission (Kimura)    PRIDE - Critical Coutdown Absolute    7/1/2006    1    2:02
 Win    Aleksander Emelianenko    Submission (Keylock)    PRIDE - Total Elimination Absolute    5/5/2006    2    1:57
 Win    Kazuhiro Nakamura    Submission (Rear Naked Choke)    PRIDE 31 - Dreamers    2/26/2006    1    8:10
 Loss    Mirko Filipovic    Decision (Unaminous)    PRIDE 30 - Fully Loaded    10/23/2005    3    5:00
 Loss    Mirko Filipovic    Submission (Injury)    PRIDE 28 - High Octane    10/31/2004    

Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 22, 2008, 05:52:03 PM
okay then, list off who fedor would have to beat to prove to you that he's the best. nog can't be on the list because he beat a prime nog twice. we can't say couture because couture got rocked by lesnar. you think barnett is a joke and arlovski lost twice to sylvia, a guy fedor beat in less than 30 seconds.

who's left? the only people i can think of (since apparently everyone from PRIDE is a joke ::) ) is mir and lesnar.

yeah it sucks that fedor doesn't fight four times a year, but the fact is they can't find people to fight fedor because he never effing loses. it's like if they had a polar bear in the UFC for some reason. he'd never get any fights because no one would want to get in there with him.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: chaos on November 22, 2008, 06:05:13 PM
I heard all the same comments about "Crocop" and all he managed to do was get his head kicked off be some guy I had never heard of until then. :-\
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 07:26:37 PM
okay then, list off who fedor would have to beat to prove to you that he's the best. nog can't be on the list because he beat a prime nog twice. we can't say couture because couture got rocked by lesnar. you think barnett is a joke and arlovski lost twice to sylvia, a guy fedor beat in less than 30 seconds.

who's left? the only people i can think of (since apparently everyone from PRIDE is a joke ::) ) is mir and lesnar.

yeah it sucks that fedor doesn't fight four times a year, but the fact is they can't find people to fight fedor because he never effing loses. it's like if they had a polar bear in the UFC for some reason. he'd never get any fights because no one would want to get in there with him.

Like I said earlier...get in the UFC fight the current active HW competition and see who is best. Nog, Mir, Lesnar, Couture...some are better than others, but any would be better than Arvloski, Sylvia, or Barnett.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Geo on November 22, 2008, 07:39:59 PM
this whole thread sucks dick !
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 22, 2008, 07:44:09 PM
this whole thread sucks dick !

Feel free to start a better one...Don't know if anyone is really forcing you to read it ::)
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: stone_cold_steve on November 23, 2008, 02:11:57 AM
The thing is there aren't that much new, good interesting HW fighters. Maybe Gonzaga, Kongo and Lesnar.  But apart from that it's still the same top guys from a couple of years ago.
UFC is the biggest MMA organisation (can't argue with that)
Nog is the nr.1 in their HW division (I know Lesnar is the current champ but still)
Fedor beat him twice and nothing makes me think the outcome of another fight between them is gonna be different.

Bottomline Fedor is nr.1 with that record because he has beat most of the top HW fighters and hasn't been beaten, ever.

That being said he could use a top fight to get all the arguing out off the way.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 23, 2008, 08:35:47 AM
The thing is there aren't that much new, good interesting HW fighters. Maybe Gonzaga, Kongo and Lesnar.  But apart from that it's still the same top guys from a couple of years ago.
UFC is the biggest MMA organisation (can't argue with that)
Nog is the nr.1 in their HW division (I know Lesnar is the current champ but still)
Fedor beat him twice and nothing makes me think the outcome of another fight between them is gonna be different.

Bottomline Fedor is nr.1 with that record because he has beat most of the top HW fighters and hasn't been beaten, ever.

That being said he could use a top fight to get all the arguing out off the way.

Fedor has been beaten before...but anyways Fedor needs to come to the UFC. All the rest of the top contenders have.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: stone_cold_steve on November 23, 2008, 09:45:16 AM
That was a NC rather than a defeat and he would have GnP'd Kohsaka into oblivion if they would have continued...

But anyways a HW division with: Fedor, Nog, Lesnar, Barnett, Overeem, Gonzaga, Alovski, Sergei, Crocop, Sylvia, Mir,...  them havin a HW GP pride style.  Now that would be sweet.

Fedor by armbar ;D
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 23, 2008, 11:55:05 AM
Fedor has been beaten before...but anyways Fedor needs to come to the UFC. All the rest of the top contenders have.

once.

...eight years ago.

also, what contenders do you mean? you need to stop being a "UFC is all that counts" moron. fedor beat nog twice. if nog beats mir (which i'm sure he will) and then fights lesnar (where he'll probably win again), does fedor have to beat nog a THIRD time for you to be impressed?

sylvia took 5 rounds before couture won a decision. fedor beat him in 30 seconds. what fighters has fedor not beaten for you to think he's the top dog? who's left? you aren't counting any non-UFC fighters, and the current HW division isn't exactly stellar.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: americanbulldog on November 23, 2008, 12:13:02 PM
once.

...eight years ago.

also, what contenders do you mean? you need to stop being a "UFC is all that counts" moron. fedor beat nog twice. if nog beats mir (which i'm sure he will) and then fights lesnar (where he'll probably win again), does fedor have to beat nog a THIRD time for you to be impressed?

sylvia took 5 rounds before couture won a decision. fedor beat him in 30 seconds. what fighters has fedor not beaten for you to think he's the top dog? who's left? you aren't counting any non-UFC fighters, and the current HW division isn't exactly stellar.

If Fedor is beaten, it will be by medical disqualification.  He does cut, and an American AC ref will stop the fight, otherwise, he dominates ANY heavyweight in the world today.  This is an asenine argument.  Almost as bad as someone on the UG saying BJ's last sub win off his back was against Bang by arm triangle....lol.....NOT knowing, and trying to speak from a position authority is classic GB mmaintelligence. 
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 23, 2008, 02:02:59 PM
once.

...eight years ago.

also, what contenders do you mean? you need to stop being a "UFC is all that counts" moron. fedor beat nog twice. if nog beats mir (which i'm sure he will) and then fights lesnar (where he'll probably win again), does fedor have to beat nog a THIRD time for you to be impressed?

sylvia took 5 rounds before couture won a decision. fedor beat him in 30 seconds. what fighters has fedor not beaten for you to think he's the top dog? who's left? you aren't counting any non-UFC fighters, and the current HW division isn't exactly stellar.

MMA math does not work the way you think it does. If so in so did it in 2 rounds and the other did it in 1 he is better hahahahahaahh. NEWBIE!
Fighting in the UFC is all that counts...if you want to be recognized as a mainstream top fighter. Like it or not...it's politics.
quit fighting it...and you still have your pride DVD's to watch if you don't like it. :o
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 23, 2008, 02:05:33 PM
If Fedor is beaten, it will be by medical disqualification.  He does cut, and an American AC ref will stop the fight, otherwise, he dominates ANY heavyweight in the world today.  This is an asenine argument.  Almost as bad as someone on the UG saying BJ's last sub win off his back was against Bang by arm triangle....lol.....NOT knowing, and trying to speak from a position authority is classic GB mmaintelligence. 

All specualtion on your part on how good Fedor currently is" He dominates any heavyweight in the world today"=speculation.

You know fedor is CURRENTLY ducking top competition...oh well he is a has been anyways unless he steps up to the UFC and proves it.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: stone_cold_steve on November 23, 2008, 02:54:42 PM
All specualtion on your part on how good Fedor currently is" He dominates any heavyweight in the word today"=speculation.

You know fedor is CURRENTLY ducking top competition...oh well he is a has been anyways unless he steps up to the UFC and proves it.

He isn't in the UFC but who's fault is that.  We don't know what kind of deal Dana threw at him.  Could have been nothing less of an insult for all we know.  This dude fights fore a living therefor he should consider his paycheck.

And not being in the UFC, what top competition is he exactly ducking?
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 23, 2008, 03:17:26 PM
He isn't in the UFC but who's fault is that.  We don't know what kind of deal Dana threw at him.  Could have been nothing less of an insult for all we know.  This dude fights fore a living therefor he should consider his paycheck.

And not being in the UFC, what top competition is he exactly ducking?

We really do not know who's fault it is. Two facts.

Fedor is not in UFC.
Fedor has been fighting second rate fighters in second rate orgs for a couple years now.

It is what it is. Does not really matter why.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: stone_cold_steve on November 23, 2008, 03:25:13 PM
We really do not know who's fault it is. Two facts.

Fedor is not in UFC.
Fedor has been fighting second rate fighters in second rate orgs for a couple years now.

It is what it is. Does not really matter why.

I somehow don't see us agreeing about this. 
You raise valid points, however, I copied the card of his last fight.  not exactly a collection of cans, is it.
Seems a pretty solid organisation.  at least the fighters in it.

1      Paul Buentello     Gary Goodridge     Decision (Unanimous)     3     5:00
2    Vitor Belfort    Terry Martin    KO (Punches)    2    3:12
3    Mike Pyle    JJ Ambrose    Submission (Rear-naked choke)    1    2:51
4    Antonio Rogerio Nogueira    Edwin Dewees    TKO (Punches)    1    4:06
5    Matt Lindland    Fabio Nascimento    Decision (Unanimous)    3    5:00
6    Renato Sobral    Mike Whitehead    Decision (Unanimous)    3    5:00
7    Mark Hominick    Savant Young    Submission (Armbar)    2    4:25
8    Josh Barnett    Pedro Rizzo    KO (Punch)    2    1:44
9    Andrei Arlovski    Ben Rothwell    KO (Punches)    3    1:13
10    Fedor Emelianenko    Tim Sylvia    Submission (Rear-naked choke)    1    0:36
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Captain Equipoise on November 23, 2008, 04:10:39 PM
a fight that ends in the first round by accidental cut doesnt count. which makes it twice he beat nog, not three times
try to get your facts straights


So by your logic Fedor is undefeated, seeing as that was basically his only loss on record.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 23, 2008, 04:31:11 PM
MMA math does not work the way you think it does. If so in so did it in 2 rounds and the other did it in 1 he is better hahahahahaahh. NEWBIE!
Fighting in the UFC is all that counts...if you want to be recognized as a mainstream top fighter. Like it or not...it's politics.
quit fighting it...and you still have your pride DVD's to watch if you don't like it. :o

you're an idiot. end of story. a piss-poor troll who watched some UFC videos and because he's an american moron thinks those are the only fighters that matter. so you've deluded yourself into thinking that non-UFC means crap despite all the pride fighters that kicked the shit out of UFC guys when they came over, and now you're trying to convince SOMEONE that fedor sucks.

name a list of fighters better than fedor in the HW division. c'mon, i'm curious.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: chaos on November 23, 2008, 04:36:42 PM
you're an idiot. end of story. a piss-poor troll who watched some UFC videos and because he's an american moron thinks those are the only fighters that matter. so you've deluded yourself into thinking that non-UFC means crap despite all the pride fighters that kicked the shit out of UFC guys when they came over, and now you're trying to convince SOMEONE that fedor sucks.

name a list of fighters better than fedor in the HW division. c'mon, i'm curious.
You're awfully riled up, Fedor must mean alot to you.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Bluto on November 23, 2008, 04:58:37 PM
It's quite possible that the attraction Fedor has on some guys have nothing to do with how he perform in the ring... Just saying.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: chaos on November 23, 2008, 05:04:00 PM
It's quite possible that the attraction Fedor has on some guys have nothing to do with how he perform in the ring... Just saying.

LOL ;D
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Captain Equipoise on November 23, 2008, 05:16:21 PM
Fedor isn't ducking shit, he's have to be downright retarded to sign a one way contract with ufc that prohibits him from partaking in his beloved world combat Sambo tournaments, dana is a fucking nazi that wants to own his fighters souls, he wants exclusive contracts, exclusive merch. etc.  Fedor is just too smart to play that motherfuckers game. For all we know dana's conditions for Fedor's UFC contract were based on  3-5 fight deal, starting at some bullshit like $20,000 a fight and slowly increasing from there, all while at the same time losing the ability to market yourself and your image. It's bullshit plain and simple.

Sucks that red tape and politics are overtaking this sport, it's starting to become like boxing... match ups are based on who will generate more ppv and tickets sales versus who should actually be fighting each other rank wise.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 23, 2008, 05:28:03 PM
you're an idiot. end of story. a piss-poor troll who watched some UFC videos and because he's an american moron thinks those are the only fighters that matter. so you've deluded yourself into thinking that non-UFC means crap despite all the pride fighters that kicked the shit out of UFC guys when they came over, and now you're trying to convince SOMEONE that fedor sucks.

name a list of fighters better than fedor in the HW division. c'mon, i'm curious.

I've been asking him to name a list too so that we can laugh at him. He won't. He's a dipshit troll who jumped on the UFC bandwagon and let Dana and those other twats brainwash him into thinking that the UFC is the be all, end all league. He can't name anyone because there isn't anybody in the UFC HW division capable of holding Fedor's jock, let alone beat him. I wouldn't be surprised if it was another Bluto gimmick.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: chaos on November 23, 2008, 05:28:52 PM
This thread = teh funny.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 23, 2008, 05:42:51 PM
I somehow don't see us agreeing about this. 
You raise valid points, however, I copied the card of his last fight.  not exactly a collection of cans, is it.
Seems a pretty solid organisation.  at least the fighters in it.

1      Paul Buentello     Gary Goodridge     Decision (Unanimous)     3     5:00
2    Vitor Belfort    Terry Martin    KO (Punches)    2    3:12
3    Mike Pyle    JJ Ambrose    Submission (Rear-naked choke)    1    2:51
4    Antonio Rogerio Nogueira    Edwin Dewees    TKO (Punches)    1    4:06
5    Matt Lindland    Fabio Nascimento    Decision (Unanimous)    3    5:00
6    Renato Sobral    Mike Whitehead    Decision (Unanimous)    3    5:00
7    Mark Hominick    Savant Young    Submission (Armbar)    2    4:25
8    Josh Barnett    Pedro Rizzo    KO (Punch)    2    1:44
9    Andrei Arlovski    Ben Rothwell    KO (Punches)    3    1:13
10    Fedor Emelianenko    Tim Sylvia    Submission (Rear-naked choke)    1    0:36

Seriously, almost everyone of those guys could not cut in it the UFC and were cut. Amateur card. Little better than King of Cage.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 23, 2008, 05:46:07 PM
you're an idiot. end of story. a piss-poor troll who watched some UFC videos and because he's an american moron thinks those are the only fighters that matter. so you've deluded yourself into thinking that non-UFC means crap despite all the pride fighters that kicked the shit out of UFC guys when they came over, and now you're trying to convince SOMEONE that fedor sucks.

name a list of fighters better than fedor in the HW division. c'mon, i'm curious.

I am American, and I like UFC. I liked Pride too...but I have moved on :o

Understand, that I didn't say he sucks...I said he needs to prove that he is CURRENTLY number 1 in HW. UFC is the only org able to pull something like this off.

Pride is dead. Has been a couple years now. Get over it. Didn't you hear...The UFC bought it.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 23, 2008, 05:50:45 PM
I've been asking him to name a list too so that we can laugh at him. He won't. He's a dipshit troll who jumped on the UFC bandwagon and let Dana and those other twats brainwash him into thinking that the UFC is the be all, end all league. He can't name anyone because there isn't anybody in the UFC HW division capable of holding Fedor's jock, let alone beat him. I wouldn't be surprised if it was another Bluto gimmick.

Well to name names, I will say Nog, Lesnar and Couture have all fought top competition this year. Not saying they are necessarily better, but we just don't know. Fedor fighting who he is fighting (when he actually fights) does not tell us shit. Quit bringing up what Fedor did in a GP in 2003...does not tell us anything about his skills.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Geo on November 23, 2008, 06:25:22 PM
This thread = teh funny.

this thread sucks a dead dogs dick !
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: chaos on November 23, 2008, 06:51:26 PM
this thread sucks a dead dogs dick !
;D
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 23, 2008, 06:53:25 PM
You're awfully riled up, Fedor must mean alot to you.

i'm bored and haven't had a good internet fight in a while.  >:(

for the record, blooto, fedor's ugly as hell anyway. :P
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 23, 2008, 08:35:54 PM
i'm bored and haven't had a good internet fight in a while.  >:(

for the record, blooto, fedor's ugly as hell anyway. :P

There is no fight going on here...we are just listening to people who are butt hurt about Pride being bought out and they just can't come to terms that this is 2008 :)

It's ok...sooner or later there will be nothing but the UFC and WEC.  Like it or not.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: americanbulldog on November 23, 2008, 09:28:47 PM
All specualtion on your part on how good Fedor currently is" He dominates any heavyweight in the world today"=speculation.

You know fedor is CURRENTLY ducking top competition...oh well he is a has been anyways unless he steps up to the UFC and proves it.

Man, you are either drinking the Zuffa Kool aid, or a good troll.  In either case, you aren't relevant when it comes to MMA.  Post at a pro wrasslin forum, please. 
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 23, 2008, 09:51:48 PM
Man, you are either drinking the Zuffa Kool aid, or a good troll.  In either case, you aren't relevant when it comes to MMA.  Post at a pro wrasslin forum, please. 

I am no troll...just understand the MMA game more than most. Just because I like the UFC and exciting fights makes me irrelevant???

Thanks for letting me know.

Like I said earlier...what else am I supposed to watch if I want to see EXCITING match-ups? Old Pride DVD's?
Maybe the Smashing Machine would be good too ::)
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Fury on November 23, 2008, 10:38:42 PM
I am no troll...just understand the MMA game more than most. Just because I like the UFC and exciting fights makes me irrelevant???

Thanks for letting me know.

Like I said earlier...what else am I supposed to watch if I want to see EXCITING match-ups? Old Pride DVD's?
Maybe the Smashing Machine would be good too ::)

You don't understand shit. Look back in this thread. You claimed that fighter skill level is judged by how many PPV sales their cards generate or how popular they are. Going by your "knowledge" of the sport, Kimbo Slice is arguably the greatest HW to ever live. I mean, he is pretty much more popular than any MMA fighter so he has to be the best according to you, right?  ::)
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 23, 2008, 10:42:49 PM
I am no troll...just understand the MMA game more than most. Just because I like the UFC and exciting fights makes me irrelevant???

Thanks for letting me know.

Like I said earlier...what else am I supposed to watch if I want to see EXCITING match-ups? Old Pride DVD's?
Maybe the Smashing Machine would be good too ::)

i like the UFC and exciting fights too. and guess what? UFC isn't the best ever. they've turned into the big dog now, but they don't have all the best fighters. period. the only reason guys like you think UFC is supreme is because it's the one that was always on TV. you had to catch FSN at the right time of day to watch Pride or K-1.

some UFC fighters are amazing (i think GSP is awesome myself), but when it comes to heavies fedor is king. that's why every single MMA publication constantly rates him #1 in the division.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 23, 2008, 10:50:53 PM
You don't understand shit. Look back in this thread. You claimed that fighter skill level is judged by how many PPV sales their cards generate or how popular they are. Going by your "knowledge" of the sport, Kimbo Slice is arguably the greatest HW to ever live. I mean, he is pretty much more popular than any MMA fighter so he has to be the best according to you, right?  ::)

I just stated that PPV sales tell how entertaining the fights may be and how successful the org is.

You keep showing your lack of knowledge. Kimbo has never been on a PPV.
Kimbo was also never in a legit org.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 23, 2008, 10:57:54 PM
i like the UFC and exciting fights too. and guess what? UFC isn't the best ever. they've turned into the big dog now, but they don't have all the best fighters. period. the only reason guys like you think UFC is supreme is because it's the one that was always on TV. you had to catch FSN at the right time of day to watch Pride or K-1.

some UFC fighters are amazing (i think GSP is awesome myself), but when it comes to heavies fedor is king. that's why every single MMA publication constantly rates him #1 in the division.

I never said the UFC is the best ever...It is currently the most successful org with the most exciting fights.

Fedor might be number one...but as stated he needs to fight other champs. Not ex-champs that got cut from the UFC.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: MisterMagoo on November 23, 2008, 11:03:30 PM
I never said the UFC is the best ever...It is currently the most successful org with the most exciting fights.

Fedor might be number one...but as stated he needs to fight other champs. Not ex-champs that got cut from the UFC.

yeah but you're judging that now. the fact is that he DID beat the best that anyone had. he fought and beat three UFC champs, he beat the best pride had to offer, he hasn't lost a single fight in eight years.

he doesn't "need" to do anything. fedor is, irrefutably, the #1 heavyweight in MMA. there's no one left that can challenge that status except barnett and, down the road, brock if he keeps up this pace. but after eight years without a single loss even as the top competitors came at him, he doesn't have enough people to fight.

sure he could fight four times a year but the top competitors aren't going to take him on. why would they? they'd rather try for the UFC belt since he isn't there and they have a better chance.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: americanbulldog on November 24, 2008, 12:32:39 AM
And when he destroys Arlovski, the Pitbull will be called another UFC reject.....
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: stone_cold_steve on November 24, 2008, 12:56:50 AM
yeah but you're judging that now. the fact is that he DID beat the best that anyone had. he fought and beat three UFC champs, he beat the best pride had to offer, he hasn't lost a single fight in eight years.

he doesn't "need" to do anything. fedor is, irrefutably, the #1 heavyweight in MMA. there's no one left that can challenge that status except barnett and, down the road, brock if he keeps up this pace. but after eight years without a single loss even as the top competitors came at him, he doesn't have enough people to fight.

sure he could fight four times a year but the top competitors aren't going to take him on. why would they? they'd rather try for the UFC belt since he isn't there and they have a better chance.

This pretty much sums it up.

Like I said until he gets beaten he's the best. period.
He's not ducking fighters, IMO the others are ducking him.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 24, 2008, 06:28:46 AM
And when he destroys Arlovski, the Pitbull will be called another UFC reject.....

You do remember...Arvloski got beat twice by Sylvia and beat Werdum (who has been cut as well)

UFC didn't want him. Call it whatever you want.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 24, 2008, 06:36:31 AM
This pretty much sums it up.

Like I said until he gets beaten he's the best. period.
He's not ducking fighters, IMO the others are ducking him.


Whatever the reason, we do not see Fedor get tested like most champs are. Above all else, that causes doubt on where Fedor's skills are. The game has evolved a lot, it changes all the time. Got to see the champs keep up IMO. I know Fedor is a legend, always will be. No disrespect meant towards him.

I just think that there is a lot of unanswered questions on who the current HW champ is. I don't think Fedor or any other HW that I can name,is current number 1, UFC or not. Time for them all to prove it. All I am saying.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: SinCitysmallGUY on November 24, 2008, 06:55:44 AM
1. Fedor Emelianenko (28-1-0, 1 NC)
If there has been one criticism of MMA's premier heavyweight, it's that Emelianenko hasn't met the best of his contemporaries over the last three years. He responded with a 36-second thrashing of Tim Sylvia in July, and he will look to further prove his supremacy over the division on Jan. 24 when he takes on another former UFC heavyweight champion, Andrei Arlovski, in the headliner of the second Affliction bill.

2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (31-4-1, 1 NC)
The consensus favorite in his December UFC interim heavyweight title scrap with Frank Mir, the TUF 8 coach will have a tall task ahead of him should he emerge victorious. Nogueira's prize for defeating Mir will be the chance to unify the UFC heavyweight crown with upstart Brock Lesnar in 2009, in what would make for an enormous heavyweight clash.

3. Andrei Arlovski (14-5-0)
2008 offered Arlovski a great opportunity to rebuild himself, and he did so brilliantly. With his knockouts of Ben Rothwell and Roy Nelson, he has earned himself the biggest fight of his career -- a meeting with the sport's finest heavyweight, Fedor Emelianenko, in the main event of Affliction's sophomore effort on Jan. 24.

4. Josh Barnett (23-5-0)
Barnett's management nixed hopes of him facing Fedor Emelianenko in January as the headliner for Affliction's second event. Unfortunately, Barnett's proposed participation on the Nov. 1 Sengoku card didn't come to fruition either.

5. Brock Lesnar (3-1-0)
Now perhaps MMA's most polarizing athlete, it took Lesnar but 17 months and four bouts to wear UFC gold. His high-profile smashing of Randy Couture has validated the enormous hype surrounding the former D1 wrestling champ. Now, Lesnar will have the chance to become the UFC's undisputed heavyweight king in the new year, as he awaits the winner of December's Nogueira-Mir clash.

6. Randy Couture (16-9-0)
Couture's post-retirement run came to a screeching halt in his first post-resignation bout. He returned to the Octagon for the first time in 15 months and was knocked out by Brock Lesnar in the second round, leaving questions as to what "The Natural" has left in the tank.

7. Tim Sylvia (24-5-0)
In the biggest fight of his career, Sylvia was summarily smashed by Fedor Emelianenko in a humbling 36 seconds. Although his missteps have come against the top heavyweights in the world, Sylvia has lost three of his last four and he is a year removed from his last win in a suddenly active heavyweight division.

8. Ben Rothwell (29-6-0)
Unfortunately for the Miletich heavyweight, a bout with Pedro Rizzo for Affliction's January card didn't develop. However, the former IFL standout will still get some action, as he'll take a tune-up bout against the relatively anonymous Chris Guillen at the Dec. 11 Adrenaline MMA card.

9. Alistair Overeem (29-11-0, 1 NC)
While the flying Dutchman has his fingers crossed for a chance to settle unfinished business with Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic on New Year's Eve, he won an easy tune-up bout in his native Netherlands on Nov. 9 by routinely submitting worn veteran Gary Goodridge in the first round.

10. Junior dos Santos (7-1-0)
After causing a stir in the blogosphere with some nasty mittwork leading up to UFC 90, Junior dos Santos used Fabricio Werdum's face as a focus mitt in one of the year's bigger upsets. Whether or not the young protégé of Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira is legitimately one of the best heavyweights in the world remains to be seen, but for now, no one can take his nasty knockout of Werdum away from him.

*Randy Couture, now having fought within the last 365 days, is eligible to be ranked again. With the re-entry of Couture and the addition of Lesnar, formerly ninth-ranked Fabricio Werdum and 10th-ranked Gabriel Gonzaga fall just beyond the top 10.



4 of the top ten belong to the UFC hmmmmm That means that there are more then half of the best HW's outside of the UFC.. Looks like all the contenders are not in the UFC NUFF SAID
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 24, 2008, 07:09:24 AM
1. Fedor Emelianenko (28-1-0, 1 NC)
If there has been one criticism of MMA's premier heavyweight, it's that Emelianenko hasn't met the best of his contemporaries over the last three years. He responded with a 36-second thrashing of Tim Sylvia in July, and he will look to further prove his supremacy over the division on Jan. 24 when he takes on another former UFC heavyweight champion, Andrei Arlovski, in the headliner of the second Affliction bill.

2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (31-4-1, 1 NC)
The consensus favorite in his December UFC interim heavyweight title scrap with Frank Mir, the TUF 8 coach will have a tall task ahead of him should he emerge victorious. Nogueira's prize for defeating Mir will be the chance to unify the UFC heavyweight crown with upstart Brock Lesnar in 2009, in what would make for an enormous heavyweight clash.

3. Andrei Arlovski (14-5-0)
2008 offered Arlovski a great opportunity to rebuild himself, and he did so brilliantly. With his knockouts of Ben Rothwell and Roy Nelson, he has earned himself the biggest fight of his career -- a meeting with the sport's finest heavyweight, Fedor Emelianenko, in the main event of Affliction's sophomore effort on Jan. 24.

4. Josh Barnett (23-5-0)
Barnett's management nixed hopes of him facing Fedor Emelianenko in January as the headliner for Affliction's second event. Unfortunately, Barnett's proposed participation on the Nov. 1 Sengoku card didn't come to fruition either.

5. Brock Lesnar (3-1-0)
Now perhaps MMA's most polarizing athlete, it took Lesnar but 17 months and four bouts to wear UFC gold. His high-profile smashing of Randy Couture has validated the enormous hype surrounding the former D1 wrestling champ. Now, Lesnar will have the chance to become the UFC's undisputed heavyweight king in the new year, as he awaits the winner of December's Nogueira-Mir clash.

6. Randy Couture (16-9-0)
Couture's post-retirement run came to a screeching halt in his first post-resignation bout. He returned to the Octagon for the first time in 15 months and was knocked out by Brock Lesnar in the second round, leaving questions as to what "The Natural" has left in the tank.

7. Tim Sylvia (24-5-0)
In the biggest fight of his career, Sylvia was summarily smashed by Fedor Emelianenko in a humbling 36 seconds. Although his missteps have come against the top heavyweights in the world, Sylvia has lost three of his last four and he is a year removed from his last win in a suddenly active heavyweight division.

8. Ben Rothwell (29-6-0)
Unfortunately for the Miletich heavyweight, a bout with Pedro Rizzo for Affliction's January card didn't develop. However, the former IFL standout will still get some action, as he'll take a tune-up bout against the relatively anonymous Chris Guillen at the Dec. 11 Adrenaline MMA card.

9. Alistair Overeem (29-11-0, 1 NC)
While the flying Dutchman has his fingers crossed for a chance to settle unfinished business with Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic on New Year's Eve, he won an easy tune-up bout in his native Netherlands on Nov. 9 by routinely submitting worn veteran Gary Goodridge in the first round.

10. Junior dos Santos (7-1-0)
After causing a stir in the blogosphere with some nasty mittwork leading up to UFC 90, Junior dos Santos used Fabricio Werdum's face as a focus mitt in one of the year's bigger upsets. Whether or not the young protégé of Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira is legitimately one of the best heavyweights in the world remains to be seen, but for now, no one can take his nasty knockout of Werdum away from him.

*Randy Couture, now having fought within the last 365 days, is eligible to be ranked again. With the re-entry of Couture and the addition of Lesnar, formerly ninth-ranked Fabricio Werdum and 10th-ranked Gabriel Gonzaga fall just beyond the top 10.



4 of the top ten belong to the UFC hmmmmm That means that there are more then half of the best HW's outside of the UFC.. Looks like all the contenders are not in the UFC NUFF SAID
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Exaclty my point. Most of the fighters on this list fight maybe once a year. Really hard to validate these rankings with nobody really fighting each other.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: SinCitysmallGUY on November 24, 2008, 07:21:49 AM
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Exaclty my point. Most of the fighters on this list fight maybe once a year. Really hard to validate these rankings with nobody really fighting each other.

You have to look at things that go into that. You have athletic supensions, you have training that goes on, injuries and shit these are big names. It's about longevity, if you had all of the fighters on this list fighting 5 times a year you would have to have new fighters every 5 years, guys would not have lasting power. This sport is much more vicious then boxing, your talking kicks, elbows, knees, chokes... Imagine some guy taking 5 crocop left high kicks in a year and being KO'd cold.. How long do you think that guy will be in the sport? 10 years if that happend 3 times a year..   

These fighters have to make sure that they are around to make their money and not leave looking like ALI.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 24, 2008, 07:29:50 AM
You have to look at things that go into that. You have athletic supensions, you have training that goes on, injuries and shit these are big names. It's about longevity, if you had all of the fighters on this list fighting 5 times a year you would have to have new fighters every 5 years, guys would not have lasting power. This sport is much more vicious then boxing, your talking kicks, elbows, knees, chokes... Imagine some guy taking 5 crocop left high kicks in a year and being KO'd cold.. How long do you think that guy will be in the sport? 10 years if that happend 3 times a year..   

These fighters have to make sure that they are around to make their money and not leave looking like ALI.

You are right in some of that, but that is what makes this sport so exciting. St. Pierre fought 4 times from 4/07 t0 4/08. Top competition too. Makes holding on to the belt more meaningful if you can do it.

I disagree...boxing is much more damaging long term to the head. No standing 10 count, and there are other aspects of MMA that take away from head strikes.

Boxing is almost entirely head shots. You constantly are getting punched in sparring/training as well. In MMA it is only one aspect.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: SinCitysmallGUY on November 24, 2008, 07:42:57 AM
You are right in some of that, but that is what makes this sport so exciting. St. Pierre fought 4 times from 4/07 t0 4/08. Top competition too. Makes holding on to the belt more meaningful if you can do it.

I disagree...boxing is much more damaging long term to the head. No standing 10 count, and there are other aspects of MMA that take away from head strikes.

Boxing is almost entirely head shots. You constantly are getting punched in sparring/training as well. In MMA it is only one aspect.


When you compare GSp to a HW they are on two differant playing fields.. You are talking about a much smaller light weight guy. Being big sucks, you are talking a lot more weight on the joints and everything else..

When it comes to trauma to the head they might be equal, but MMA guys get knees to the head, elbows, kicks, etc. I would much rather have a boxing glove hit me over and over then to have to take bare bone shots to the face... Much more damage and if you bring in the foot stomps from Pride, fuck that put me in a boxing ring!
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: americanbulldog on November 24, 2008, 09:52:24 AM
You do remember...Arvloski got beat twice by Sylvia and beat Werdum (who has been cut as well)

UFC didn't want him. Call it whatever you want.

So if you use MMA math, then Frank Mir is the best heavyweight, because he has a win over the current UFC champ, which has the best heavyweights?  MMath does not work because the UFC cut Pe De Pano, and he DESTROYED Mir.  Also, a lightheavy who couldn't beat Ketih Jardine, and lost to the "scrub" Sylvia also destroyed Mir.  And if Fedor destroyed Sylvia, whom you HAVE to hold in high regard using your logic stream, then Fedor is the linear number one after all.   ;D
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: Geo on November 24, 2008, 11:19:33 AM
So if you use MMA math, then Frank Mir is the best heavyweight, because he has a win over the current UFC champ, which has the best heavyweights? 

MMA math works if you're some internet addict that can't control the urge to post on a MMA message board 40 times a day and you've run out of logic and just looking to post something hoping someone will respond to....


ain't that right "stoolpshr" ?
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: WeightPSHR on November 24, 2008, 11:54:11 AM
MMA math works if you're some internet addict that can't control the urge to post on a MMA message board 40 times a day and you've run out of logic and just looking to post something hoping someone will respond to....


ain't that right "stoolpshr" ?

Haha....Internet Addict? Seriously? You seen your post count?

Anyways, don't be mad...I provided entertainment for you as you have been posting.

Something is bringing you back :)





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Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: stone_cold_steve on November 24, 2008, 12:53:53 PM

When you compare GSp to a HW they are on two differant playing fields.. You are talking about a much smaller light weight guy. Being big sucks, you are talking a lot more weight on the joints and everything else..

When it comes to trauma to the head they might be equal, but MMA guys get knees to the head, elbows, kicks, etc. I would much rather have a boxing glove hit me over and over then to have to take bare bone shots to the face... Much more damage and if you bring in the foot stomps from Pride, fuck that put me in a boxing ring!

I don't agree with weightpshr about fedor but he has a valid point about boxing.  I know one COULD suffer more damage in an mma fight.  But all in all there is way more impact to the head in boxing.  I mean one vicious knee in mma and you go down, then some GnP and the ref stops it.  In boxing you get hit over and over again.  I don't know (god forbid) there has been an mma fatality yet, whereass in boxing there have been several (I know it's an "older" sport but still).
that being said In boxing the HW guys tend to have more health problems than guys in lighter divisions.  I'm not sure if a HW boxer fights less than a Welter for example, but if not THEY SHOULD fight less.
Title: Re: How is Fedor#1 with this record
Post by: chaos on November 24, 2008, 06:20:16 PM
LOL, comedy gold right here.