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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: Boost on January 12, 2009, 01:19:32 PM
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I watched this vid in which Mark Rippetoe explains the importance of HIP DRIVE during the sqaut. Check out the 1 min mark of the vid.
he explains that you should drive up with ur butt and hamstrings. watching the Vid will explain this more clearly than i can.
Anyway....i tried this method, driving up with butt/hams, but all i seemed to get was lower back pain. It seemd as i was driving up, there was some pressure in my lower back, compared to how i normally squat....
How do u guys squat? Like Mark Rippetoe advises?
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do that and you'll tip over forwards because you'll be so focused on pushing up with your hips you won't lift with your back. focus on pushing your shoulders upward and everything else will fall into place.
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I disagree with this. I can put this on mute (I didn't) and right off the bat see problems it might eventually cause with lower lumbar and SI joint.
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if you get under anything heavy like that you're gonna hang your lower back out to dry doing it that way !
one of the shittier training vids I've ever seen..
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mike mentzer"s way
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i wouldnt be so quick to criticise the advice hes giving.
hes giving advice based off the kids errors.
what the kid is having problems doing , he is having him exaggerate that action.
for example, lets say the proper squat is a 7. the kid is squatting a 5. you want him to squat a 7, so you tell him to squat a 9. since the kid squats a 5, and he tries to go for 9, hell probably end up falling short but falling on 7. which would be correct.
so, to correct his mistake, he over emphasing the part he needed to learn.
this is a basic principle of teaching.
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"practice makes permanent". have him exaggerate his form and he'll learn it that way. better to teach him the right way through repetition than do things wrong on the opposite end of what he's doing and assume he'll just "average" out. ::)
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"practice makes permanent". have him exaggerate his form and he'll learn it that way. better to teach him the right way through repetition than do things wrong on the opposite end of what he's doing and assume he'll just "average" out. ::)
that is a good point, and it is one that has been made in the past, but looking back through history youll find that the exaggeration always work and what your suggestign never does.
you can see soemthing similar in politics. one idealogy feels an opposing idealogy is way off based. th epublic bases their opinions between the two main ideaologies. so in order to balance out the publics views, an ideaology will push their policy way far out in order to make the "center" between the two main idealogy balanced.
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that analogy doesn't really apply. the human body and popular opinion do not exactly correlate. the latter is due to the human brain's conditioning that reality exists between two sides, no matter what those two sides are. if one politician says the earth is flat and the other one says it's round, people will assume something in the middle despite being wrong. the former is a pure case of learning by repetition.
if i alternate your training so one week you're doing squats with your heels up and the bar high on your shoulders, then the next week you're doing good mornings, when you go to the powerlifting meet i can just about guarantee you're not going to be doing it magically in the middle of the two forms.
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that analogy doesn't really apply. the human body and popular opinion do not exactly correlate. the latter is due to the human brain's conditioning that reality exists between two sides, no matter what those two sides are. if one politician says the earth is flat and the other one says it's round, people will assume something in the middle despite being wrong. the former is a pure case of learning by repetition.
if i alternate your training so one week you're doing squats with your heels up and the bar high on your shoulders, then the next week you're doing good mornings, when you go to the powerlifting meet i can just about guarantee you're not going to be doing it magically in the middle of the two forms.
i dont think this guy is going to be with the kid every day to mke sure he can quat right. i am pretty sure he is teaching him the exaggeration of what he needs to focus on. so he will have something to remember and to think about when he is off on his own.
heres a better analogy
when i used t golf, i had a swing coach. when i first started going to him, my swing path was straight back and straight forward. btu the proper swing path is a little bit inside on the way back and a little bit outside on the way forward. so the head is moving out and away from you through contact. slight draw spin. so, in order to get me to learn to swing "in t out" he had me swingin waaaaayyyyy inside, then wayyyy outside. and he really emphasized it. later when i would be golfing, i would remember and i would make sure to be in/out. because he over emphasized and exaggerated the thign i needed to learn.
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I'm a natural squatter, leg development and squats were second-nature. I don't like the preachy know-all tone of his voice (is this "jpm"?), plus he's not a good teacher, making it too complicated. Also I think that what he's suggesting is form that puts lots of pressure on the lower back. No thanks!
Best advice from someone who'se been there done it 3 decades ago:Try different positions on foot placement and squat technique, find what's comfortable and stable. Try using a 2" heel block, try box/bench squats, make sure bike and light set warmups are thorough.
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I'm a natural squatter, leg development and squats were second-nature. I don't like the preachy know-all tone of his voice, plus he's not a good teacher, making it too complicated. Also I think that what he's suggesting is form that puts lots of pressure on the lower back. No thanks!
Best advice from someone who'se been there done it 3 decades ago:Try different positions on foot placement and squat technique, find what's comfortable and stable. Try using a 2" heel block, try box/bench squats, make sure bike and light set warmups are thorough.
are you inferring that "mark rippetoe" is a skinny gym scientist, Pump?
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are you inferring that "mark rippetoe" is a skinny gym scientist, Pump?
Dude he's instructing looks thoroughly befuddled.."the knee bone connects to the hip bone..".
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are you inferring that "mark rippetoe" is a skinny gym scientist, Pump?
I'm kind of surprised at how bad this video is, Rippetoe wrote probably the best book there is for teaching the power lifts and the power clean in Starting Strength. Seems like a different guy in person versus on paper.
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I'm a natural squatter, leg development and squats were second-nature. I don't like the preachy know-all tone of his voice (is this "jpm"?), plus he's not a good teacher, making it too complicated. Also I think that what he's suggesting is form that puts lots of pressure on the lower back. No thanks.
yeah. once you get your foot placement down and can kinda figure out how to keep tight all over, you need to just think "shoulders UP". trying to do it like it's some chain reaction of four different joint motions is too much.
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yeah. once you get your foot placement down and can kinda figure out how to keep tight all over, you need to just think "shoulders UP". trying to do it like it's some chain reaction of four different joint motions is too much.
Kind of a "too smart to be a good teacher" kind of thing? Seems like the guys who know the most can overcomplicate things to the point where nobody knows what the hell they're saying.
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Kind of a "too smart to be a good teacher" kind of thing? Seems like the guys who know the most can overcomplicate things to the point where nobody knows what the hell they're saying.
THATS THE POINT THOUGH TO BRING THEM BACK 2 SETS TO GET TO STEP ONE,,,OR PERSONAL TRAINERS WOULD NEVER SEE THEIR CLIENTS AGAIN IF TOUGHT IT CORRECT THE FIRST TIME,,,
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THATS THE POINT THOUGH TO BRING THEM BACK 2 SETS TO GET TO STEP ONE,,,OR PERSONAL TRAINERS WOULD NEVER SEE THEIR CLIENTS AGAIN IF TOUGHT IT CORRECT THE FIRST TIME,,,
Something tells me that if you're a trainer, you're not a very good one.
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here's rippertoe moving some serious wieght....
get a load of this assclown snorting before he even starts !
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here's rippertoe moving some serious wieght....
get a load of this assclown snorting before he even starts !
fuccking painful, looks like the bar is gonna come over his head on every rep, brutal good mornings.
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here's another little gem....
apparently he got a gig at some summer camp teaching kids how to lift weights, and keep their mouths shut when he crawls into their tents at nights when all the other kids are asleep
sick bastard !
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Is this guy some kind of guru? At first i thought the horrible teaching and arrogance was somehow justified by great sqatting power. :-\ This reeks of "jpm", but with twice the poundage.
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Is this guy some kind of guru? At first i thought the horrible teaching and arrogance was somehow justified by great sqatting power. :-\ This reeks of "jpm", but with twice the poundage.
He's co-authored several really good books, which surprises me because one of them is purely how to teach the big 3 lifts and the power clean, and he does it well in writing. In person, not so much.
http://www.amazon.com/Starting-Strength-2nd-Mark-Rippetoe/dp/0976805421/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232377466&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Programming-Strength-Training-Rippetoe/dp/0976805413/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232377466&sr=8-2
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Not defending Mr Rippetoe, never heard of him before. Mr Rippertoe reminds me of some of the football coaches I have met. Guess not too many guy's here have played sports because they seen so surprised or offended by his style. Sometimes a coach like him takes the first learning session to the extreme, coming down like a ton of bricks. Probably to establish his authority or territory like a dog pissing on a tree. Seen this over and over in coaching. The second, and following sessions, are much milder and that's where the real learning starts. But than again, some coaches have a hard time with teaching on any level. Why are the bad one's still coaching, I do not know. The video's showed bad habits to avoid rather than good lifting style. Who knows, maybe that was Mr. Rippetoe's idea in the first session. Highlighting mistakes and all that.
Agree with MisterMagoo, for the most part. Might add that when lifting from the DL or squat position you may want to keep looking upwards, rather than down or straight ahead. The body will usually follow the the eyes. Do not want to look down when lifting. That is where you have been. You want to look up to see where you want to go.
One of the Mod's seems to have some disagreement, or dislike, with me. Sure if we set down over a couple of beers we could resolve the problem. Been called a lot of names in the past, nothing to be bothered with. My favorite is when an opposing player called me a Polynesian N (the N word), which got me laughing so much I almost forgot to line up for the next play. Told one of my Samoan bro's that on the side line and he cracked up. Funny thing is that the offensive lineman pronounced it pooo-lee-knee-some. And this brother was black. No malice to anyone here. Good Luck.
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Just goes to show a guy can write about training,but real gym experience counts for much much more.
Who in the fuck is Mark Rippetoe anyway,and what has he done?
All the kiddies on bb.com rave about the guy.