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Steele faces more fallout over abortion comments
Posted: 03:06 PM ET
From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
(CNN) — A chorus of leading conservatives continued to criticize GOP chairman Michael Steele Thursday over the Republican leader's comments on abortion in an interview with GQ magazine.
Former Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, arguably the most high profile conservative to weigh in on the matter, said Steele's subsequent clarification "doesn't explain why he would ever say what he did in the first place."
"For Chairman Steele to even infer that taking a life is totally left up to the individual is not only a reversal of Republican policy and principle, but it's a violation of the most basic of human rights–the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," Huckabee wrote in an entry on his Web site.
In the GQ interview, Steele called abortion an "individual choice" and said the matter should be left up to the states to decide. He later issued a statement saying he has always been pro-life.
Earlier: Steele clarifies abortion comments
But Ken Blackwell, a former rival of Steele for the RNC chairmanship, told the conservative Web site Townhall.com that Steele needs to "re-read the Bible, the U.S. Constitution, and the 2008 GOP Platform."
"He then needs to get to work — or get out of the way," added Blackwell, who ultimately put his support behind Steele in the contentious race last month to lead the party.
Meanwhile Lou Engle, founder of TheCall and a leading pro-life, pro-family voice, called Steele's comments "extremely disappointing."
"It can never be a ‘choice’ for an individual to take a life," said Engle. "Life is the first right granted in our nation’s Declaration of Independence. The Chairman would do well to study that and other documents and recommit himself to the pro-life principles espoused by his party."
Other high-profile conservatives who have expressed criticism over the comments include Family Research Council President Tony Perkins, anti-abortion activist Jill Stanek, and Americans United for Life and Action CEO Charmaine Yoest.
Steele is reportedly reaching out to several conservatives Thursday in an attempt to ease their concerns. He's also slated to sepak next month at the Vanderburgh County Right to Life dinner in Evansville, Indiana, a major gathering of pro-life activists.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/12/steele-faces-more-fallout-over-abortion-comments/#more-43572
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It would serve FOX and other right-leaning media outlets to completely STOP talking about Rush, palin, and steele. They're just making the party look terrible.
We haven't heard much about Mitt, pawlenty, Crist, and others. The ones who actually make the party look good at time. I guess Rush screaming, palin's drama, and Steele's retractions are more exciting. I can understand the left media wanting to talk about it - repubs look like hacks with these 3 at the wheel.
but FOX? Really?
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It would serve FOX and other right-leaning media outlets to completely STOP talking about Rush, palin, and steele. They're just making the party look terrible.
We haven't heard much about Mitt, pawlenty, Crist, and others. The ones who actually make the party look good at time. I guess Rush screaming, palin's drama, and Steele's retractions are more exciting. I can understand the left media wanting to talk about it - repubs look like hacks with these 3 at the wheel.
but FOX? Really?
You're right, why report the news?
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You're right, why report the news?
I guess i'm saying Bill-O was crying on his show tuesday that Lib media only cover stories that make repubs look bad... but then I see FOX covering these stories first as well, with the same vigor, then defending the guys.
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When the repubs start focusing on pro-life issues as the center of their platform, they loose me.
Economics trump issues like abortion IMO. Steele said let the states make the decision even though he is pro-life. I think republicans have to accept folks that are pro-choice to move forward.
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Steele just needs to throw in the towel and quit. He is woefully unprepared for such a simple task. He hasn't done a single thing right yet.
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When the repubs start focusing on pro-life issues as the center of their platform, they loose me.
Economics trump issues like abortion IMO. Steele said let the states make the decision even though he is pro-life. I think republicans have to accept folks that are pro-choice to move forward.
Shoot I think the majority of Americans are probably pro life. I've seen other polls like this one:
Poll: 54 Percent of Americans Take Pro-Life Position on Abortion
J.R.* | November 3, 2007 | ShareThis
A new poll conducted by CBS News makes it clear that a majority of Americans are pro-life when itcomes to the issue of abortion.
The October survey finds 54 percent of Americans take one of three pro-life positions opposing all or almost all abortions and another 16 percent want more restrictions on it.
The October 12-16 poll asked Americans to tell CBS News their “personal feelings” on abortion. The survey found that 16 percent of the public only favors allowing abortions “only to save woman’s life” and another 34 percent think abortions should only be allowed in the very rare cases of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life.
Another four percent of Americans want all abortions to be made illegal.
With the Planned Parenthood-affiliated Alan Guttmacher Institute showing that less than two percent of all abortions are done in cases of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life, the CBS News poll shows 54 percent of Americans oppose 98 percent of all abortions.
According to the survey, just 26 percent of the public wants abortions permitted in all cases. Another 16 percent want abortions to remain legal but to be subject to greater restrictions than they currently face.
http://www.americanconservativedaily.com/2007/11/poll-54-percent-of-americans-take-pro-life-position-on-abortion/
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Shoot I think the majority of Americans are probably pro life. I've seen other polls like this one:
Poll: 54 Percent of Americans Take Pro-Life Position on Abortion
J.R.* | November 3, 2007 | ShareThis
A new poll conducted by CBS News makes it clear that a majority of Americans are pro-life when itcomes to the issue of abortion.
The October survey finds 54 percent of Americans take one of three pro-life positions opposing all or almost all abortions and another 16 percent want more restrictions on it.
The October 12-16 poll asked Americans to tell CBS News their “personal feelings” on abortion. The survey found that 16 percent of the public only favors allowing abortions “only to save woman’s life” and another 34 percent think abortions should only be allowed in the very rare cases of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life.
Another four percent of Americans want all abortions to be made illegal.
With the Planned Parenthood-affiliated Alan Guttmacher Institute showing that less than two percent of all abortions are done in cases of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life, the CBS News poll shows 54 percent of Americans oppose 98 percent of all abortions.
According to the survey, just 26 percent of the public wants abortions permitted in all cases. Another 16 percent want abortions to remain legal but to be subject to greater restrictions than they currently face.
http://www.americanconservativedaily.com/2007/11/poll-54-percent-of-americans-take-pro-life-position-on-abortion/
Funny... The elections in 2008 certainly have it going the opposite direction.
Or did anyone not notice that all those Pro-Life measures on those ballots failed?
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Funny... The elections in 2008 certainly have it going the opposite direction.
Or did anyone not notice that all those Pro-Life measures on those ballots failed?
I don't think a handful of abortion initiatives (whatever those where) failing establishes that the majority of the country is not pro life. We just elected a president who is about as far left as you can get, but I don't think that proves that the majority of the country is liberal.
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It would serve FOX and other right-leaning media outlets to completely STOP talking about Rush, palin, and steele. They're just making the party look terrible.
We haven't heard much about Mitt, pawlenty, Crist, and others. The ones who actually make the party look good at time. I guess Rush screaming, palin's drama, and Steele's retractions are more exciting. I can understand the left media wanting to talk about it - repubs look like hacks with these 3 at the wheel.
but FOX? Really?
THe last thing we need is talk of the left leaning Crist.We need to cut libs OUT of the party.Id like to see more Newt,more Mitt and MUCH more Paul.
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FOX News just about single-handedly sank Ron paul's 2008 run.
Their anchors insulted him several times per hours for the entire primary process. Remember?
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I think Republicans have to open themselves to a broader range of people and rally around limited government principles first. Saying the republican party favors a pro-life position is fine (and true) as long as people who may be pro-choice aren't alienated. If the republicans are too exclusive, the democrats will prevail...particularly with the younger generations.
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I don't think a handful of abortion initiatives (whatever those where) failing establishes that the majority of the country is not pro life. We just elected a president who is about as far left as you can get, but I don't think that proves that the majority of the country is liberal.
2 of the 3 were in Red states that even voted McCain in the last election.
How can you even believe what you're saying?
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2 of the 3 were in Red states that even voted McCain in the last election.
How can you even believe what you're saying?
Oh I don't know. Life experience. Common sense. Statistics. Basic reading skills.
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Oh I don't know. Life experience. Common sense. Statistics. Basic reading skills.
Sounds like you're pretty much missing the base on all of those things when it comes to abortion.
Like I said... I just saw an election in 2008 that says otherwise. That's a "fact".
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Sounds like you're pretty much missing the base on all of those things when it comes to abortion.
Like I said... I just saw an election in 2008 that says otherwise. That's a "fact".
What's a fact? Three initiatives failed so that establishes that the majority of Americans are pro choice? Sorry. Not buying.
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Pretty much so.
Sounds to me like if they weren't they would have voted the opposite, but since they didn't.... what does that mean? They are idiots who can't make up their minds?
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As the younger generation votes more, there will be less people against abortion. I understand being pro-life but if repubs exclude everyone who doesn't share that view completely, the party will continue to loose ground. Unfortunately, we are seeing fewer moderate/blue dog democrats. The vocal part of the party is pushing big government, liberal and socialistic type policies.
Where do the people in the middle go? They went to Obama in 2008 but he is not a centrist.
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Pretty much so.
Sounds to me like if they weren't they would have voted the opposite, but since they didn't.... what does that mean? They are idiots who can't make up their minds?
It could mean a number of things: the bill was too broad; the bill was poorly written; there was ineffective campaign; block voting, etc. I would be more convinced if it was part of a trend in which every single proposed law restricting abortion in any way was defeated at the ballot box. That hasn't happened.
For example, every time homosexual marriage has been put to a vote, it failed. Numerous states have moved to preserve traditional marriage. That's the kind of voting record that shows what the majority of Americans believe.
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For example, every time homosexual marriage has been put to a vote, it failed. Numerous states have moved to preserve traditional marriage. That's the kind of voting record that shows what the majority of Americans believe.
But yet the exact same voting on pro life issues is flawed when it doesn't go your way?
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But yet the exact same voting on pro life issues is flawed when it doesn't go your way?
Here is what I said: "I would be more convinced if it was part of a trend in which every single proposed law restricting abortion in any way was defeated at the ballot box. That hasn't happened."
So no, it's not the "exact same voting on pro life issues."
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Here is what I said: "I would be more convinced if it was part of a trend in which every single proposed law restricting abortion in any way was defeated at the ballot box. That hasn't happened."
So no, it's not the "exact same voting on pro life issues."
Ridiculous... See post about it only being accurate if it goes your way.
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Ridiculous... See post about it only being accurate if it goes your way.
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Roll your eyes all you want... You have no validation in your statement.
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running in circles only makes you dizzy.
One issue fails at the polls and that is what the majority of America want.
Another issue fails at the polls but yet, despite the first example, it really isn't what America wants.
Ummm... ok. Whatever. ::)
Funny it seemed to be the exact group of voters in 2008 that delivered both outcomes.
Ok... now back to your circles again.
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Roll your eyes all you want... You have no validation in your statement.
I guess it's possible that every single proposed law restricting abortion in any way has always been defeated at the ballot box, and that I just happened to miss all of those votes, but I doubt it.
I tell you what, I will spend some time this weekend (if I remember) and support my statement: "I would be more convinced if it was part of a trend in which every single proposed law restricting abortion in any way was defeated at the ballot box. That hasn't happened."
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I guess it's possible that every single proposed law restricting abortion in any way has always been defeated at the ballot box, and that I just happened to miss all of those votes, but I doubt it.
I tell you what, I will spend some time this weekend (if I remember) and support my statement: "I would be more convinced if it was part of a trend in which every single proposed law restricting abortion in any way was defeated at the ballot box. That hasn't happened."
3 for 3 in 2008 isn't a trend?
You're just being difficult for the sake of difficulty.
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3 for 3 in 2008 isn't a trend?
You're just being difficult for the sake of difficulty.
Not trying to be difficult at all. I'll look into the history of abortion initiatives and post some stuff later.
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Here is something that took me about a minute to find. What's obvious, if you actually read it, is states have placed a plethora of restrictions on abortion, including banning abortion after viability.
GUTTMACHER INSTITUTE
An Overview of Abortion Laws
STATE POLICIES IN BRIEF
As of
MARCH 1, 2009
BACKGROUND: Since the Supreme Court handed down its 1973 decisions in Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton, states
have constructed a lattice work of abortion law, codifying, regulating and limiting whether, when and under what
circumstances a woman may obtain an abortion. The following table highlights the major provisions of these state laws.
More detailed information can be found by selecting the table column headings in blue. Except where noted, the laws
are in effect, although they may not always be enforced.
HIGHLIGHTS:
Physician and Hospital Requirements: 38 states require an abortion to be performed by a licensed physician. 19
states require an abortion to be performed in a hospital after a specified point in the pregnancy, and 18 states require
the involvement of a second physician after a specified point.
Gestational Limits: 36 states prohibit abortions, generally except when necessary to protect the woman’s life or
health, after a specified point in pregnancy, most often fetal viability.
“Partial-Birth” Abortion: 15 states have laws in effect that prohibit “partial-birth” abortion. 4 of these laws apply
only to postviability abortions.
Public Funding: 17 states use their own funds to pay for all or most medically necessary abortions for Medicaid
enrollees in the state. 32 states and the District of Columbia prohibit the use of state funds except in those cases when
federal funds are available: where the woman’s life is in danger or the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest. In
defiance of federal requirements, South Dakota limits funding to cases of life endangerment only.
Coverage by Private Insurance: 4 states restrict coverage of abortion in private insurance plans to cases in which the
woman’s life would be endangered if the pregnancy were carried to term. Additional abortion coverage is permitted
only if the woman purchases it at her own expense.
Refusal: 46 states allow individual health care providers to refuse to participate in an abortion. 43 states allow
institutions to refuse to perform abortions, 16 of which limit refusal to private or religious institutions.
State-Mandated Counseling: 17 states mandate that women be given counseling before an abortion that includes
information on at least one of the following: the purported link between abortion and breast cancer (6 states), the
ability of a fetus to feel pain (8 states), long-term mental health consequences for the woman (7 states) or
information on the availability of ultrasound (6 states).
Waiting Periods: 24 states require a woman seeking an abortion to wait a specified period of time, usually 24 hours,
between when she receives counseling and the procedure is performed. 6 of these states have laws that effectively
require the woman make two separate trips to the clinic to obtain the procedure.
Parental Involvement: 34 states require some type of parental involvement in a minor’s decision to have an abortion.
22 states require one or both parents to consent to the procedure, while 10 require that one or both parents be notified
and 2 states require both parental consent and notification.
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I also looked at the three bills/initiatives that failed in November:
California Prop 4: parental notification
No - 6,111,260 - 52 percent
Yes - 5,599,878 - 48 percent
Colorado Amendment 48: human life from moment of conception
No - 1,605,978 - 73 percent
Yes - 585,561 - 27 percent
South Dakota Initiative 11: limit all abortions except for rape or health of mother
No - 206,488 - 55 percent
Yes - 167,536 - 45 percent
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/ballot.measures/
You cannot reasonably conclude that the California measure is part of a trend, when (a) it was narrowly defeated with well over 5 million people voting "yes" and (b) 34 states require some form of parental notification. The trend is clearly in favor of parental notification.
The Colorado amendment didn't attempt to ban or limit abortion, although that would have started the dominoes.
South Dakota's initiative was narrowly defeated and was pretty broad.
So, what I said is absolutely correct: "I would be more convinced if it was part of a trend in which every single proposed law restricting abortion in any way was defeated at the ballot box. That hasn't happened."
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I also looked at the three bills/initiatives that failed in November:
California Prop 4: parental notification
No - 6,111,260 - 52 percent
Yes - 5,599,878 - 48 percent
Colorado Amendment 48: human life from moment of conception
No - 1,605,978 - 73 percent
Yes - 585,561 - 27 percent
South Dakota Initiative 11: limit all abortions except for rape or health of mother
No - 206,488 - 55 percent
Yes - 167,536 - 45 percent
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/ballot.measures/
You cannot reasonably conclude that the California measure is part of a trend, when (a) it was narrowly defeated with well over 5 million people voting "yes" and (b) 34 states require some form of parental notification. The trend is clearly in favor of parental notification.
The Colorado amendment didn't attempt to ban or limit abortion, although that would have started the dominoes.
South Dakota's initiative was narrowly defeated and was pretty broad.
So, what I said is absolutely correct: "I would be more convinced if it was part of a trend in which every single proposed law restricting abortion in any way was defeated at the ballot box. That hasn't happened."
You are making excuses... This is a trend and people are done with the issue.
Well, most sane people... That would be people unlike yourself it seems.
For someone who runs that business, you certainly do have enough free time to research 2008 election results by the way.
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You are making excuses... This is a trend and people are done with the issue.
Well, most sane people... That would be people unlike yourself it seems.
For someone who runs that business, you certainly do have enough free time to research 2008 election results by the way.
lol . . . I knew when I posted that information what your response was going to be. Forget about the facts. But I did it anyway because it helped educate me.
Yes I had enough free time. I make my own time. Sorry that bothers you. :'( As my best friend says, don't hate the player, hate the game. :)
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lol . . . I knew when I posted that information what your response was going to be. Forget about the facts. But I did it anyway because it helped educate me.
Yes I had enough free time. I make my own time. Sorry that bothers you. :'( As my best friend says, don't hate the player, hate the game. :)
Believe me Beach... There's no one who hates you.
PS... It may be news to you, but you ain't no playa'.
;)
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Has anyone noticed the Steele gets shit on by his party whenever he accidently slips and talks like a rational human being?
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Believe me Beach... There's no one who hates you.
PS... It may be news to you, but you ain't no playa'.
;)
True. :)
Maybe true, maybe not. :)
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Has anyone noticed the Steele gets shit on by his party whenever he accidently slips and talks like a rational human being?
They tend to "eat their own"...kinda like hyenias. Theyre desperate for a leader but will crucify him in minutes..... 8)
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Has anyone noticed the Steele gets shit on by his party whenever he accidently slips and talks like a rational human being?
They prefer the ghetto lingo "hip hop" black man that he acted like when first elect?
So much for his "off the chain" style.
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They prefer the ghetto lingo "hip hop" black man that he acted like when first elect?
So much for his "off the chain" style.
They also prefer him to tow the party line but apparently Steele keeps forgetting the script.
When he goes off script and starts talking like a semi-rational human being the right wing peanut gallery goes apeshit and then Steele has to explain yet again how the words he said didn't really reflect what he truly believes, etc...
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how the words he said didn't really reflect what he truly believes, etc...
Typical conservative double speak. Commonly known as Footinmouthitis.
Kinda makes you wonder how anyone EVER believes a word that comes out of their mouths anyway.
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Typical conservative double speak. Commonly known as Footinmouthitis.
Kinda makes you wonder how anyone EVER believes a word that comes out of their mouths anyway.
yeah it must make for an uncomfortable and confusing life when you never know if the words you're speaking actually reflect how you really feel...
More likely the words Steele was speaking did in fact reflect his true feeling and then he had to lie about it later
Isn't that how it appears in reality?
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I have no problem with what Steele said. The only ones talking about this now is the liberal leaning media and liberal democrats.
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I have no problem with what Steele said. The only ones talking about this now is the liberal leaning media and liberal democrats.
if by "now" you mean this very second then maybe you're correct but this was a "story" because the conservatives where the ones bashing Steele.
I do admit it's entertaining to hear Steele continue to explain how he didn't know what he was saying, can't explain why he said it and how his own words really don't reflect what he believes.
If he does it a few more times it will start to get old but for now it's entertaining
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Has anyone noticed the Steele gets shit on by his party whenever he accidently slips and talks like a rational human being?
Because they probably have seen how Obama has used Hip-Hop and popular culture to garner votes and the Presidency. While the Repub's were seen as out of date old fart's who'd rather pop Viagra than Pop-Lock. They had "The Man" written all over their faces. And they tried to use Steele to reinvigorate their party, but they disdain when he doesn't act or talk in the "box" format that they want.
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Certainly, some republicans were outraged when it first came out but the liberals are the ones keeping it going (same thing happens on both sides). To me this is old news.
Some right wingers are very "my way or the highway", just like the left wing liberals. The party has to be more inclusive.
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Certainly, some republicans were outraged when it first came out but the liberals are the ones keeping it going (same thing happens on both sides). To me this is old news.
Some right wingers are very "my way or the highway", just like the left wing liberals. The party has to be more inclusive.
do you think the Repubs should compromise with the Dems?
what do the Repubs have to offer?
......they have nothing to offer that I can see, nothing to bargain with
They are inert
There has to be some reason to consider and possibly include their point of view