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is simply wrong for commentators to continue to focus on President Barack Obama's high levels of popularity, and to conclude that these are indicative of high levels of public confidence in the work of his administration. Indeed, a detailed look at recent survey data shows that the opposite is most likely true. The American people are coming to express increasingly significant doubts about his initiatives, and most likely support a different agenda and different policies from those that the Obama administration has advanced.
Polling data show that Mr. Obama's approval rating is dropping and is below where George W. Bush was in an analogous period in 2001. Rasmussen Reports data shows that Mr. Obama's net presidential approval rating -- which is calculated by subtracting the number who strongly disapprove from the number who strongly approve -- is just six, his lowest rating to date.
M.E. CohenOverall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance. This is a substantial degree of polarization so early in the administration. Mr. Obama has lost virtually all of his Republican support and a good part of his Independent support, and the trend is decidedly negative.
A detailed examination of presidential popularity after 50 days on the job similarly demonstrates a substantial drop in presidential approval relative to other elected presidents in the 20th and 21st centuries. The reason for this decline most likely has to do with doubts about the administration's policies and their impact on peoples' lives.
There is also a clear sense in the polling that taxes will increase for all Americans because of the stimulus, notwithstanding what the president has said about taxes going down for 95% of Americans. Close to three-quarters expect that government spending will grow under this administration.
Recent Gallup data echo these concerns. That polling shows that there are deep-seated, underlying economic concerns. Eighty-three percent say they are worried that the steps Mr. Obama is taking to fix the economy may not work and the economy will get worse. Eighty-two percent say they are worried about the amount of money being added to the deficit. Seventy-eight percent are worried about inflation growing, and 69% say they are worried about the increasing role of the government in the U.S. economy.
When Gallup asked whether we should be spending more or less in the economic stimulus, by close to 3-to-1 margin voters said it is better to have spent less than to have spent more. When asked whether we are adding too much to the deficit or spending too little to improve the economy, by close to a 3-to-2 margin voters said that we are adding too much to the deficit.
Support for the stimulus package is dropping from narrow majority support to below that. There is no sense that the stimulus package itself will work quickly, and according to a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, close to 60% said it would make only a marginal difference in the next two to four years. Rasmussen data shows that people now actually oppose Mr. Obama's budget, 46% to 41%. Three-quarters take this position because it will lead to too much spending. And by 2-to-1, voters reject House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's call for a second stimulus package.
While over two-thirds support the plan to help homeowners refinance their mortgage, a 48%-36% plurality said that it will unfairly benefit those who have been irresponsible, echoing Rick Santelli's call to arms on CNBC.
And although a narrow majority remains confident in Mr. Obama's goals and overall direction, 45% say they do not have confidence, a number that has been growing since the inauguration less than two months ago. With three-quarters saying that they expect the economy to get worse, it is hard to see these numbers improving substantially.
There is no real appetite for increasing taxes to pay for an expanded health-insurance program. Less than half would support such an idea, which is 17% less than the percentage that supported government health insurance when Bill Clinton first considered it in March of 1993.
While voters blame Republicans for the lack of bipartisanship in Washington, the fact is that they do not believe Mr. Obama has made any progress in improving the impulse towards cooperation between the two parties. Further, nearly half of voters say that politics in Washington will be more partisan over the next year.
Fifty-six percent of Americans oppose giving bankers any additional government money or any guarantees backed by the government. Two-thirds say Wall Street will benefit more than the average taxpayer from the new bank bailout plan. This represents a jump in opposition to the first plan passed last October. At that time, 45% opposed the bailout and 30% supported it. Now a solid majority opposes the bank bailout, and 20% think it was a good idea. A majority believes that Mr. Obama will not be able to cut the deficit in half by the end of his term.
Only less than a quarter of Americans believe that the federal government truly reflects the will of the people. Almost half disagree with the idea that no one can earn a living or live "an American life" without protection and empowerment by the government, while only one-third agree.
Despite the economic stimulus that Congress just passed and the budget and financial and mortgage bailouts that Congress is now debating, just 19% of voters believe that Congress has passed any significant legislation to improve their lives. While Congress's approval has increased, it still stands at only 18%. Over two-thirds of voters believe members of Congress are more interested in helping their own careers than in helping the American people. When it comes to the nation's economic issues, two-thirds of voters have more confidence in their own judgment than they do in the average member of Congress.
Finally, what probably accounts for a good measure of the confidence and support the Obama administration has enjoyed is the fact that they are not Republicans. Virtually all Americans, more than eight in 10, blame Republicans for the current economic woes, and the only two leaders with lower approval ratings than Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are Republican leaders Mitch McConnell and John Boehner.
All of this is not just a subject for pollsters and analysts to debate. It shows fundamentally that public confidence in government remains low and is slipping. We face the possibility of substantial gridlock along with an absolute absence of public confidence that could come to mirror the lack of confidence in the American economy that the Dow and the S&P are currently showing.
Mr. Schoen, formerly a pollster for President Bill Clinton, is the author of "Declaring Independence: The Beginning of the End of the Two Party System" (Random House, 2008). Mr. Rasmussen is president of Rasmussen Reports, an independent national polling company.
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I'm surprised you don't like the guy.....he's gonna end up starting wars with North Korea, China, Pakistan, continuing the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Right up your ally GI Joe!!!!! HOOYA!
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is simply wrong for commentators to continue to focus on President Barack Obama's high levels of popularity, and to conclude that these are indicative of high levels of public confidence in the work of his administration. Indeed, a detailed look at recent survey data shows that the opposite is most likely true. The American people are coming to express increasingly significant doubts about his initiatives, and most likely support a different agenda and different policies from those that the Obama administration has advanced.
Polling data show that Mr. Obama's approval rating is dropping and is below where George W. Bush was in an analogous period in 2001. Rasmussen Reports data shows that Mr. Obama's net presidential approval rating -- which is calculated by subtracting the number who strongly disapprove from the number who strongly approve -- is just six, his lowest rating to date.
M.E. CohenOverall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance. This is a substantial degree of polarization so early in the administration. Mr. Obama has lost virtually all of his Republican support and a good part of his Independent support, and the trend is decidedly negative.
A detailed examination of presidential popularity after 50 days on the job similarly demonstrates a substantial drop in presidential approval relative to other elected presidents in the 20th and 21st centuries. The reason for this decline most likely has to do with doubts about the administration's policies and their impact on peoples' lives.
There is also a clear sense in the polling that taxes will increase for all Americans because of the stimulus, notwithstanding what the president has said about taxes going down for 95% of Americans. Close to three-quarters expect that government spending will grow under this administration.
Recent Gallup data echo these concerns. That polling shows that there are deep-seated, underlying economic concerns. Eighty-three percent say they are worried that the steps Mr. Obama is taking to fix the economy may not work and the economy will get worse. Eighty-two percent say they are worried about the amount of money being added to the deficit. Seventy-eight percent are worried about inflation growing, and 69% say they are worried about the increasing role of the government in the U.S. economy.
When Gallup asked whether we should be spending more or less in the economic stimulus, by close to 3-to-1 margin voters said it is better to have spent less than to have spent more. When asked whether we are adding too much to the deficit or spending too little to improve the economy, by close to a 3-to-2 margin voters said that we are adding too much to the deficit.
Support for the stimulus package is dropping from narrow majority support to below that. There is no sense that the stimulus package itself will work quickly, and according to a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, close to 60% said it would make only a marginal difference in the next two to four years. Rasmussen data shows that people now actually oppose Mr. Obama's budget, 46% to 41%. Three-quarters take this position because it will lead to too much spending. And by 2-to-1, voters reject House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's call for a second stimulus package.
While over two-thirds support the plan to help homeowners refinance their mortgage, a 48%-36% plurality said that it will unfairly benefit those who have been irresponsible, echoing Rick Santelli's call to arms on CNBC.
And although a narrow majority remains confident in Mr. Obama's goals and overall direction, 45% say they do not have confidence, a number that has been growing since the inauguration less than two months ago. With three-quarters saying that they expect the economy to get worse, it is hard to see these numbers improving substantially.
There is no real appetite for increasing taxes to pay for an expanded health-insurance program. Less than half would support such an idea, which is 17% less than the percentage that supported government health insurance when Bill Clinton first considered it in March of 1993.
While voters blame Republicans for the lack of bipartisanship in Washington, the fact is that they do not believe Mr. Obama has made any progress in improving the impulse towards cooperation between the two parties. Further, nearly half of voters say that politics in Washington will be more partisan over the next year.
Fifty-six percent of Americans oppose giving bankers any additional government money or any guarantees backed by the government. Two-thirds say Wall Street will benefit more than the average taxpayer from the new bank bailout plan. This represents a jump in opposition to the first plan passed last October. At that time, 45% opposed the bailout and 30% supported it. Now a solid majority opposes the bank bailout, and 20% think it was a good idea. A majority believes that Mr. Obama will not be able to cut the deficit in half by the end of his term.
Only less than a quarter of Americans believe that the federal government truly reflects the will of the people. Almost half disagree with the idea that no one can earn a living or live "an American life" without protection and empowerment by the government, while only one-third agree.
Despite the economic stimulus that Congress just passed and the budget and financial and mortgage bailouts that Congress is now debating, just 19% of voters believe that Congress has passed any significant legislation to improve their lives. While Congress's approval has increased, it still stands at only 18%. Over two-thirds of voters believe members of Congress are more interested in helping their own careers than in helping the American people. When it comes to the nation's economic issues, two-thirds of voters have more confidence in their own judgment than they do in the average member of Congress.
Finally, what probably accounts for a good measure of the confidence and support the Obama administration has enjoyed is the fact that they are not Republicans. Virtually all Americans, more than eight in 10, blame Republicans for the current economic woes, and the only two leaders with lower approval ratings than Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are Republican leaders Mitch McConnell and John Boehner.
All of this is not just a subject for pollsters and analysts to debate. It shows fundamentally that public confidence in government remains low and is slipping. We face the possibility of substantial gridlock along with an absolute absence of public confidence that could come to mirror the lack of confidence in the American economy that the Dow and the S&P are currently showing.
Mr. Schoen, formerly a pollster for President Bill Clinton, is the author of "Declaring Independence: The Beginning of the End of the Two Party System" (Random House, 2008). Mr. Rasmussen is president of Rasmussen Reports, an independent national polling company.
I am surprised that you are so selective about who you like, both our most recent presidents have been warmongers and I was sure you would appreciate that.
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I'm surprised you don't like the guy.....he's gonna end up starting wars with North Korea, China, Pakistan, continuing the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Right up your ally GI Joe!!!!! HOOYA!
Maybe he didn't read the whole article he copied and pasted.
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M.E. CohenOverall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance. This is a substantial degree of polarization so early in the administration. Mr. Obama has lost virtually all of his Republican support and a good part of his Independent support, and the trend is decidedly negative.
Geeze. Didn't take long for him to burn through his political capital. Wait till he moves forward with socialized medicine . . . .
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Where do you guys get your polls from ::) Hannity's fucking phone in? ::)
Obama is being tougher on our enemies than bush is. isnt that funny? The appeaser is suddenly telling pakistan, china, and Nkorea to shove it up their ass.
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Where do you guys get your polls from ::) Hannity's fucking phone in? ::)
His approval rating has been stuck from 60 to 65 the whole time.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#chart
Even this one shows a steady increase in disapproval ratings.
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The title of the thread reads his numbers are falling to earth. APPROVAL RATINGS. His approval ratings are staying in the same range. Where is the falling to earth out of his average polling BB?
The substance of the thread included the quote that I responded to:
M.E. CohenOverall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance. This is a substantial degree of polarization so early in the administration. Mr. Obama has lost virtually all of his Republican support and a good part of his Independent support, and the trend is decidedly negative.
The Rasmussen poll is below 60 percent, as is a few others. But the most significant fact to me is the dramatic increase in his negative numbers, likely as a result of Republicans and indepedents being unhappy with him acting like an irresponsible socialist.
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I don't give a shit about the post. It was the general comments like yours about him going through his capital like one poll was a reflection of the actual picture. ::) I've said a million fucking times Rasmussen is almost always nowhere near the other polls. If all you want to do is find the poll that fits your agenda, why don't you just go all out and do what Joe does and post Hannity's phone in polls ::)
Who cares what you think about Rasmussen??
What your own link shows is a downward trend regarding his negative poll numbers. The average from your link is 30 percent.
And I don't have an agenda. ::)
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It was quoted in the damm WSJ...not some wack job site on the Right or Left. Its not WND or prison planet. Look as fat as things happened for Bush, everything will continue to speed up for Obama. He had his metoric rise and he'll have his downfall either driven from the Right or Left. He's out of his depth.
Some of u people think ist great that he's suddenly putting pressure on Pakistan. Ever think Bush knew exactly what he was doing there. He was dealing with Musharif, not the current weak willed idiots running that country. Pakistan has its own insurgency, that its loosing. They will do what in its best interest. The current government is trying and failing to go after the Taliban in its own regions. Musharif knew that was a losing propostion. He knew he could not support operations into that are either with manpower, logistics or popular support. We can't do it either. Plus ur not counting Iraq into the equation. Bush crushed AQI...crushed em. Those that are left aren't idiots, they can continue the battle from Pakistan, where they can hide, re arm and rest.
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I'm surprised you don't like the guy.....he's gonna end up starting wars with North Korea, China, Pakistan, continuing the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Right up your ally GI Joe!!!!! HOOYA!
Ah..u know whats up my alley...watch the NE Pats play football, watching my son play football...going to the gym....nothing that invloves getting shot at. Ur understanding of the military and the mindset is infantile. Even Hugo completely understands that. I don't want to go into China, or Pakistan or nK. If I have to, I have to and will do my job even without the support of some of the idiots spread around the country. Obama will not pick a fight with China, he could set off nK but the damm easter bunny could piss them off, and Pakistan...he's pushed them into a fight they can't win. Obama is about the worst thing to happen to them. They are trying to be an "ally" and they could loose their country because of it.
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Ur melting dude.....the numbers don't lie. He's starting to loose what got him here. The hardcore leftists will continue to support him...but once the indy''s go, the leftwing dems will be in trouble in 2010.
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I'm surprised you don't like the guy.....he's gonna end up starting wars with North Korea, China, Pakistan, continuing the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Right up your ally GI Joe!!!!! HOOYA!
{giggle} ;D
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{giggle} ;D
My point exactly..... ::)
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Ur melting dude.....the numbers don't lie. He's starting to loose what got him here. The hardcore leftists will continue to support him...but once the indy''s go, the leftwing dems will be in trouble in 2010.
Raw numbers don't mean poop without an understanding and an accurate translation of the data going into them.
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It was quoted in the damm WSJ...not some wack job site on the Right or Left. Its not WND or prison planet. Look as fat as things happened for Bush, everything will continue to speed up for Obama. He had his metoric rise and he'll have his downfall either driven from the Right or Left. He's out of his depth.
Some of u people think ist great that he's suddenly putting pressure on Pakistan. Ever think Bush knew exactly what he was doing there. He was dealing with Musharif, not the current weak willed idiots running that country. Pakistan has its own insurgency, that its loosing. They will do what in its best interest. The current government is trying and failing to go after the Taliban in its own regions. Musharif knew that was a losing propostion. He knew he could not support operations into that are either with manpower, logistics or popular support. We can't do it either. Plus ur not counting Iraq into the equation. Bush crushed AQI...crushed em. Those that are left aren't idiots, they can continue the battle from Pakistan, where they can hide, re arm and rest.
The Wall Street Journal must be a tool of rightwing wackos. ::)
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who fucking cares what you think. nobody but twit rightwing psycho retards. There is no indication of his numbers "falling to earth" Or Obama losing all his political capital. Go play with your stupid fucking Hannity phone in poll jackass. You too HH6...
You obviously care because you asked me a question. lol . . . .
Go back to your bunker. Come back after the white flash. :)
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Ur melting dude.....the numbers don't lie. He's starting to loose what got him here. The hardcore leftists will continue to support him...but once the indy''s go, the leftwing dems will be in trouble in 2010.
Correct. Even the link he provided shows a pretty clear increase in Obama's negative numbers across the board. Must be a conspiracy.
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No jackass, nobody gives a shit. Questions can be rhetorical to pin down morons like you, it doesn't mean I give a fuck shit what you think. You should dig a bunker, and seal yourself in it.
Hahaha! Okay Hugo. You asked a rhetorical question. lol . . . .
still laughing . . . :)
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Ur reaction to this proves u know itgs not BS. Jag they give the breakdown of what the numbers mean...and its actually more troubling for Barry then a few % drop in the raw numbers. He was elected on the backs of the Indy's and the anybody but Bush crowd....they now realize they got screwed.
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Dude..real clear is an average and his numbers aren't that far off....Obama is approaching average numbers, in fact he's only 2 down from Newsweek to Rasmusen...Christ Fox has him at 62...second highest of all the numbers.
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And rasmusen has numbers saying that Barry's numbers are trending down..especially among those who put him over the top....he will not maintain these numbers.
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His approval numbers, on realclear, have been in the same range, within about 5 points, the whole fucking time. What the fuck are you talking about? ::) I said real clear was an average, guess you're not reading my posts. No wonder you think I'm wrong. Easy to say with a blindfold on ::)
You are clueless. If you actually read your own link you'd see that his negative numbers have steadily increased from 20 to 30 percent.
And his approval rating started at 83 percent and is now at 60 or below, so saying the poll numbers are "falling to Earth" is absolutely correct. http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83889§ionid=3510203
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You are clueless. If you actually read your own link you'd see that his negative numbers have steadily increased from 20 to 30 percent.
And his approval rating started at 83 percent and is now at 60 or below, so saying the poll numbers are "falling to Earth" is absolutely correct. http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83889§ionid=3510203
and his approval ratings didn't start at 83 percent you lying pos. ::)
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What do u want...his numbers are falling..the shine has worn off. All we're debating is how fast.
And Barack Obama's poll numbers have slid almost 10% already. According to the latest Gallup Poll, the new president's approval rating of 68% in January has slipped now to 63%, about average for recent new presidents one month in.
What isn't average, however, is Obama's new disapproval rating -- 24%, or 50% higher than the 16% average for a month-old new presidency.
And it's twice the 12% disapproval rate that Obama had last month.
While liberal and independent support has held fairly steady, the rookie chief executive's approval among Republicans has plunged from 41% to 30%, presumably tied at least somewhat to growing awareness of the spending program. The drop has been especially steep among conservatives, from 36% at inauguration to 22% now.
Additionally, Obama's support has weakened among middle-class Americans, those touted during the campaign as benefiting from his promised tax cuts. Among that working crowd, Obama's approval fell from 69% to 58%.
Tonight's speech before a joint session of Congress and a nationwide television audience will give the new 47-year-old president an opportunity to make his case, not just for his already-signed but still controversial economic stimulus package but for his own evolving style of executive leadership.
And to possibly put the crumpled Cabinet nominations of recent weeks behind him.
Historically, 63-62% approval after a month is about average; Ronald Reagan had the worst at 55%, and Jimmy Carter had the best at 71%. Look how they turned out.
In fact, after 30 days, the Gallup Poll shows Obama has about the same approval rating as did George H.W. Bush and his son, George W. Bush, the man whose eight years in office the Illinois senator so often denounced as destructive during the recent campaign.
What's surprising, as the astute Don Surber points out this morning, is that the gap between approval and disapproval is worse now for Obama than it was for the newly departed Texan after his first month. Bush's differential gap was 41 points between approval and disapproval. Obama's is 39 points, still above Bill Clinton, who had the worst differential of 30 points. Carter again had the best after one month of 62. Richard Nixon had 54.
The new Gallup survey involved 1,614 adult Americans between Feb. 19-21 with a margin of error of +/-3%.
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You are spinning the point you idiot fuck. Disapproval ratings shoot up you fucking moron. Approval ratings fall to the earth, you fucking moron. The title says his numbers are falling to Earth you fucking moron. An indication of used up capital is a significant downturn "fall to earth" of his approval ratings, that has NOT happened, idiot!!!
Hugo I hate to break this to you, but you're really not very smart.
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Hugo I hate to break this to you, but you're really not very smart.
BB, I hate to break this to you, but you're completely fucking retarded.
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and his approval ratings didn't start at 83 percent you lying pos. ::)
::) I put the "83 percent" in bold so you wouldn't miss it. :)
Obama's approval rating falls 15 points
Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:20:23 GMT
Obama faces great challenges that peril his high approval rating.
US president Barack Obama's approval rating plunges 15 points from the original 83 percent in the first week of his tenure, a new poll finds.
The Gallup polling firm which tracks president's approval/disapproval rating every day, says Obama began his administration with a 68 percent 'approval' rating.
Despite a 15% drop, Obama still maintains good ratings falling only second behind John F. Kennedy, who had 72% approval rating on Feb. 15, 1961.
Eisenhower equaled Obama's approval at 68%. Since Kennedy, Carter started with 66%, Reagan 51%, George H.W. Bush 51%, Clinton 58%, and George W. Bush 57%.
Gallup notes: It "did not measure those three presidents' initial ratings until early February, and new presidents' approval ratings typically increase in the first few months of their presidencies. Thus, Obama's initial approval rating of 68% looks more impressive compared to the average 55% approval rating for the four presidents whose first ratings were measured in January after their inaugurations."
Faced with a sharp downturn in economy and a deepening recession that has left many Americans jobless, president Obama is challenging hard to get his USD 825 billion stimulus plan passed by the Senate. The opposition, mainly Republican, has called his plan "as a lot of wasteful Washington spending, padding the bureaucracy and doing nothing to help create jobs and preserve jobs."
With two many layoffs on a daily basis, a daunting healthcare system and absence of insurance for millions of Americans, the African-American president faces many ups and downs that challenge his once stratospheric approval ratings.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83889§ionid=3510203
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Where do you guys get your polls from ::) Hannity's fucking phone in? ::)
His approval rating has been stuck from 60 to 65 the whole time.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#chart
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::) I put the "83 percent" in bold so you wouldn't miss it. :)
Obama's approval rating falls 15 points
Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:20:23 GMT
Obama faces great challenges that peril his high approval rating.
US president Barack Obama's approval rating plunges 15 points from the original 83 percent in the first week of his tenure, a new poll finds.
The Gallup polling firm which tracks president's approval/disapproval rating every day, says Obama began his administration with a 68 percent 'approval' rating.
Despite a 15% drop, Obama still maintains good ratings falling only second behind John F. Kennedy, who had 72% approval rating on Feb. 15, 1961.
Eisenhower equaled Obama's approval at 68%. Since Kennedy, Carter started with 66%, Reagan 51%, George H.W. Bush 51%, Clinton 58%, and George W. Bush 57%.
Gallup notes: It "did not measure those three presidents' initial ratings until early February, and new presidents' approval ratings typically increase in the first few months of their presidencies. Thus, Obama's initial approval rating of 68% looks more impressive compared to the average 55% approval rating for the four presidents whose first ratings were measured in January after their inaugurations."
Faced with a sharp downturn in economy and a deepening recession that has left many Americans jobless, president Obama is challenging hard to get his USD 825 billion stimulus plan passed by the Senate. The opposition, mainly Republican, has called his plan "as a lot of wasteful Washington spending, padding the bureaucracy and doing nothing to help create jobs and preserve jobs."
With two many layoffs on a daily basis, a daunting healthcare system and absence of insurance for millions of Americans, the African-American president faces many ups and downs that challenge his once stratospheric approval ratings.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83889§ionid=3510203
so after several posts talking about the importance of looking at the average you're going to point to one poll to establish his starting number? And you say I'm not very smart? BWHWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA HAHA...
The first available average done in the first week puts his starting approval at 63.3 It is now 60.8 Translate for us how in your mind that means he's spent all this political capital? fuck, Bush was lower than that when republicans said he had a mandate after the 04 election ::)
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Hussein is a fucking idiot who makes George Bush look like a fucking genius.
Hussein has the gift of gab, unfortunately last time I checked the country was in need of a fucking leader not a another talker!.
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Hussein is a fucking idiot who makes George Bush look like a fucking genius.
Hussein has the gift of gab, unfortunately last time I checked the country was in need of a fucking leader not a another talker!.
quoted for the funniest post ever. By the way, try to stay on topic. This thread is about polling numbers.
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::) I put the "83 percent" in bold so you wouldn't miss it. :)
Obama's approval rating falls 15 points
Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:20:23 GMT
Obama faces great challenges that peril his high approval rating.
US president Barack Obama's approval rating plunges 15 points from the original 83 percent in the first week of his tenure, a new poll finds.
The Gallup polling firm which tracks president's approval/disapproval rating every day, says Obama began his administration with a 68 percent 'approval' rating.
Despite a 15% drop, Obama still maintains good ratings falling only second behind John F. Kennedy, who had 72% approval rating on Feb. 15, 1961.
Eisenhower equaled Obama's approval at 68%. Since Kennedy, Carter started with 66%, Reagan 51%, George H.W. Bush 51%, Clinton 58%, and George W. Bush 57%.
Gallup notes: It "did not measure those three presidents' initial ratings until early February, and new presidents' approval ratings typically increase in the first few months of their presidencies. Thus, Obama's initial approval rating of 68% looks more impressive compared to the average 55% approval rating for the four presidents whose first ratings were measured in January after their inaugurations."
Faced with a sharp downturn in economy and a deepening recession that has left many Americans jobless, president Obama is challenging hard to get his USD 825 billion stimulus plan passed by the Senate. The opposition, mainly Republican, has called his plan "as a lot of wasteful Washington spending, padding the bureaucracy and doing nothing to help create jobs and preserve jobs."
With two many layoffs on a daily basis, a daunting healthcare system and absence of insurance for millions of Americans, the African-American president faces many ups and downs that challenge his once stratospheric approval ratings.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=83889§ionid=3510203
Honestly Beach Bum who needs a fucking poll to show just how fucking stupid B. Hussein Obama is? We all know in a matter of 1 year this fucking retard (no offense to the retards of the world) will be below 50% approaching 40% but even if it doesn't it won't really matter to those that know this retarded dimwitted Obama is in WAY over his head!
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so after several posts talking about the importance of looking at the average you're going to point to one poll to establish his starting number? And you say I'm not very smart? BWHWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA HAHA...
The first available average done in the first week puts his starting approval at 63.3 It is now 60.8 Translate for us how in your mind that means he's spent all this political capital? fuck, Bush was lower than that when republicans said he had a mandate after the 04 election ::)
Hugo...thats two polls. But forget numbers...he's had legal issues within his band of idiots, he's had all the tax shit, he's had the gaffes from Biden and Hil...it turns out my cat is smarter then Geitner...and now the Chicoms are fucking with him. He's not fixing the economy or inspiring confidence.
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quoted for the funniest post ever. By the way, try to stay on topic. This thread is about polling numbers.
What part of your post is about polling numbers you fat fucking idiot? Eat a dick you bitch!
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so after several posts talking about the importance of looking at the average you're going to point to one poll to establish his starting number? And you say I'm not very smart? BWHWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA HAHA...
The first available average done in the first week puts his starting approval at 63.3 It is now 60.8 Translate for us how in your mind that means he's spent all this political capital? fuck, Bush was lower than that when republicans said he had a mandate after the 04 election ::)
[sigh] Hopeless. ::)
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Honestly Beach Bum who needs a fucking poll to show just how fucking stupid B. Hussein Obama is? We all know in a matter of 1 year this fucking retard (no offense to the retards of the world) will be below 50% approaching 40% but even if it doesn't it won't really matter to those that know this retarded dimwitted Obama is in WAY over his head!
TP I really do want him to succeed, but he has clearly stumbled out of the gate. You just might be right about his approval ratings.
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[sigh] Hopeless. ::)
There you go crying again. You're the hopeless moron here. Come on you chickenshit, give us your logic of why we should look to one poll over the average to establish his starting numbers? Do it you fucking chickenshit, do it!!!
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yet another "im not wrong everyone else is wrong" moment supplied by huggy bear.
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Hugo...thats two polls. But forget numbers...he's had legal issues within his band of idiots, he's had all the tax shit, he's had the gaffes from Biden and Hil...it turns out my cat is smarter then Geitner...and now the Chicoms are fucking with him. He's not fixing the economy or inspiring confidence.
what's two polls?
here are the polls done in the first week, notice even Gallop has him 64 in the first week!!! That differs from BB, because the idiot isn't quoting his overall approval rating by gallop. The numbers that were in the 80's in the first week were from Dems ONLY!!!! So how stupid would it be to establish his innitial approval rating by dems as being in the 80's then hold that against approval ratings that include independents and republicans which makes it look like he's falling? ::)
ahahahaha, and I'm the stupid one huh BB :-*
Democracy Corps (D) 01/26 - 01/29 1000 LV 55 20 +35
FOX News 01/27 - 01/28 900 RV 65 16 +49
Gallup 01/25 - 01/27 1500 A 64 16 +48
Rasmussen 01/25 - 01/27 1500 LV 62 36 +26
Hotline/FD 01/21 - 01/24 800 RV 63 9 +54
Gallup 01/21 - 01/23 1591 A 68 12 +56 <---GALLUP's first poll!!!!!!
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yet another "im not wrong everyone else is wrong" moment supplied by huggy bear.
because I am right idiot.
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TP I really do want him to succeed, but he has clearly stumbled out of the gate. You just might be right about his approval ratings.
I want Obama to succeed but not if he is going not continue his shitty socialistic policies that Bush helped implement. I like Rush want Obama and therefore his policies to fail.
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I want Obama to succeed but not if he is going not continue his shitty socialistic policies that Bush helped implement. I like Rush want Obama and therefore his policies to fail.
You supported Bush. ::)
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You supported Bush. ::)
I supported Bush on certain policies. I support Obama in certain policies too.
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because I am right idiot.
yes i know huggy and everyone else is wrong...
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yes i know huggy and everyone else is wrong...
show me where I'm wrong? Since BB is a chickenshit and can't, maybe you can take up the cause and tell us why we should look at one poll to establish an initial approval rating rather than a polling average? Also, please explain why it would be appropriate to say Obama's approval ratings has fallen from the 80's when the polling in the 80's was among Dems only, not including independents and republicans? So do be a good little boy and cover for BB, if you can...
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show me where I'm wrong? Since BB is a chickenshit and can't, maybe you can take up the cause and tell us why we should look at one poll to establish an initial approval rating rather than a polling average? Also, please explain why it would be appropriate to say Obama's approval ratings has fallen from the 80's when the polling in the 80's was among Dems only, not including independents and republicans? So do be a good little boy and cover for BB, if you can...
youre argueing over details bro, fact is his apporval rating is declining, wouldnt you agree? fact is his disapproval rating is increasing, would you agree? thats the premise of the thread.
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youre argueing over details bro, fact is his apporval rating is declining, wouldnt you agree? fact is his disapproval rating is increasing, would you agree? thats the premise of the thread.
FAIL!!!! I'm not arguing details, I'm arguing facts, facts why BB was dead ass wrong in what he said. Facts you just also chickened out on!!! No, I do not agree his approval ratings are falling... Look at the realclearpolitics average! They have been bouncing between 60 and 65 the entire fucking time. Now, instead of being another chickenshit like BB, why don't you cover for him an explain what I asked you you to. You're the one that mocked me for saying I was right. So I gave you the opportunity to show where in what I challenged BB on I was wrong. I gave you the main points so grow some balls, don't just say I'm wrong, explain to us why a single poll should matter over poll averages? I really want to hear that. Explain to us why it is fair to compare a starting approval rating in the 80 by one poll of Dems only to polls of everyone which brings it down to the 65 range. That's not details, those are IMPORTANT details. BB brought it up, I challenged, you defended, now defend it instead of running!!!
Also, please stop saying, "wouldn't you agree" That is annoying as all hell when you know full well the person you usually say that to does not.
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FAIL!!!! I'm not arguing details, I'm arguing facts, facts why BB was dead ass wrong in what he said. Facts you just also chickened out on!!! No, I do not agree his approval ratings are falling... Look at the realclearpolitics average! They have been bouncing between 60 and 65 the entire fucking time. Now, instead of being another chickenshit like BB, why don't you cover for him an explain what I asked you you to. You're the one that mocked me for saying I was right. So I gave you the opportunity to show where in what I challenged BB on I was wrong. I gave you the main points so grow some balls, don't just say I'm wrong, explain to us why a single poll should matter over poll averages? I really want to hear that. Explain to us why it is fair to compare a starting approval rating in the 80 by one poll of Dems only to polls of everyone which brings it down to the 65 range. That's not details, those are IMPORTANT details. BB brought it up, I challenged, you defended, now defend it instead of running!!!
Also, please stop saying, "wouldn't you agree" That is annoying as all hell when you know full well the person you usually say that to does not.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116077/Obama-Job-Approval-Dips-Below-First-Time.aspx
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/03/yes-obamas-approval-ratings-are.html
bro say what you want but his approval rating has slipped your ranting and raving doesnt change the facts...Im not defending what beach said i dont know what he said so STFU you raving lunatic stop melting down at every turn.
whats funny is you refuse to accept the FACT that his ratings have gone down, wouldnt you agree? ;)
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he's got a long way to go to hit that 19th percentile bush earned.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/116077/Obama-Job-Approval-Dips-Below-First-Time.aspx
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/03/yes-obamas-approval-ratings-are.html
bro say what you want but his approval rating has slipped your ranting and raving doesnt change the facts...Im not defending what beach said i dont know what he said so STFU you raving lunatic stop melting down at every turn.
whats funny is you refuse to accept the FACT that his ratings have gone down, wouldnt you agree? ;)
coward. You defended BB but you're to chickenshit to back it up. You know full well that his approval ratings have not dropped in any significant way from his first day in office. Anyone here can look at the poll averages on realclearpolitics and see that is a fact. They've been between 60 and 65 the whole time. You lose.
Hugo wins again :-*
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coward. You defended BB but you're to chickenshit to back it up. You know full well that his approval ratings have not dropped in any significant way from his first day in office. Anyone here can look at the poll averages on realclearpolitics and see that is a fact. They've been between 60 and 65 the whole time. You lose.
Hugo wins again :-*
YOU NUMB NUT FUCK show me where i defended beach you dip shit? please do.
Any retard can also look at the gallup poll ive posted and see that his rating has dropped. Your a jack ass we all lose for an array of reasons, you being a mod on this board, your posts/meltdowns of late are just ridiculous at least back in the day youd actually debate instead of melting down all over the place, having to listen to you constant olbermann/obama cock sucking.
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You fucking crybaby, what were you doing by jumping in with your comment on me always being right. You obviously took issue with what I was saying. So what was I saying? That's right, you jumped in, addessed ME in an argument with BB and HH... So yea, you defended and now you're just a chickenshit who can't back up your mouth with facts.
hahahah the whole "crying" when someone says something that contradicts you hugo is childish and ignorant. I made that comment b/c you refuse to accept the FACT that his approval rating has declined.
p.s. I already backed up my claims with facts bro.
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hahahah the whole "crying" when someone says something that contradicts you hugo is childish and ignorant. I made that comment b/c you refuse to accept the FACT that his approval rating has declined.
p.s. I already backed up my claims with facts bro.
you're still running... If I'm wrong as you suggested in your mockery, show me. I pointed out my beef and you failed to show where I'm wrong on anything and instead tried to sway the points to being irrelevant rather than answer them ::) fucking loser.
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you're still running... If I'm wrong as you suggested in your mockery, show me. I pointed out my beef and you failed to show where I'm wrong on anything and instead tried to sway the points to being irrelevant rather than answer them ::) fucking loser.
did you just completely skip over my links in that one post or what? :o
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did you just completely skip over my links in that one post or what? :o
no, but you obviously feel like ignoring the point completely and acting as though 1 poll trumps realclearpolitics averages. So tell us why that should be the case? What is your logic of 1 poll over poll average?
Tell me right now why the poll averages being in the 60 to 65 range the entire time is a bad indicator? come on chickenshit, I want to really hear this lol...
Why don't you just say my point against BB was correct? Are you saying BB was right to use 1 poll in the 80's taken from Dems only as a means of showing he has fallen far? Go ahead, state right now that BB's use of that poll is a good one.
If you can't state those things, shut the fuck up and admit I was right when you came into the thread mocking me.
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no, but you obviously feel like ignoring the point completely and acting as though 1 poll trumps realclearpolitics averages. So tell us why that should be the case? What is your logic of 1 poll over poll average?
Tell me right now why the poll averages being in the 60 to 65 range the entire time is a bad indicator? come on chickenshit, I want to really hear this lol...
Why don't you just say my point against BB was correct? Are you saying BB was right to use 1 poll in the 80's taken from Dems only as a means of showing he has fallen far? Go ahead, state right now that BB's use of that poll is a good one.
If you can't state those things, shut the fuck up and admit I was right when you came into the thread mocking me.
LOL bro i think one poll such as the gallup poll which is going to be far more credible and reliable then some of the others on there like CNN that had a 76% approval rating hahah b/c that wont help the average. Gallup had his drop around what like 6 or 7 percent im not sure fact of the matter is his approval rating has declined.
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LOL bro i think one poll such as the gallup poll which is going to be far more credible and reliable then some of the others on there like CNN that had a 76% approval rating hahah b/c that wont help the average. Gallup had his drop around what like 6 or 7 percent im not sure fact of the matter is his approval rating has declined.
you failed to answer all the questions. Was BB right to note a drop from approval in the 80's
Also, you just owned yourself. If Gallop is your trusted source here are there polls for Obama's approval rating:
There is no significant drop in his approval rating. Remember, the topic and issue I had with BB and HH6 was, "Falling to Earth" and "Didn't take long for him to burn through his political capital." which is not illustrated in the approval ratings of Gallup either.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
Now, that said, you're a fool for thinking it's better to pick one poll over an average of all polls. Answer the question, was BB right to note Obama's starting approval being in the 80's?
If you can't demonstrate where I'm wrong on these things, then I was right at the point you came into the thread, thank you! ;)
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you failed to answer all the questions. Was BB right to note a drop from approval in the 80's
Also, you just owned yourself. If Gallop is your trusted source here are there polls for Obama's approval rating:
There is no significant drop in his approval rating. Remember, the topic and issue I had with BB and HH6 was, "Falling to Earth" and "Didn't take long for him to burn through his political capital." which is not illustrated in the approval ratings of Gallup either.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
Now, that said, you're a fool for thinking it's better to pick one poll over an average of all polls. Answer the question, was BB right to note Obama's starting approval being in the 80's?
If you can't demonstrate where I'm wrong on these things, then I was right at the point you came into the thread, thank you! ;)
dude give it a rest with me defending beachs comments im not him and im not going to defend his stance PM him if you really want to sort it out. LOL your a fool for thinking that a average of other skewed polls will give you an accurate perception.
The name of the thread came from the name of the article i believe
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123690358175013837.html
Perhaps you would like to email them and rant and rave about it a little more.
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dude give it a rest with me defending beachs comments im not him and im not going to defend his stance PM him if you really want to sort it out. LOL your a fool for thinking that a average of other skewed polls will give you an accurate perception.
The name of the thread came from the name of the article i believe
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123690358175013837.html
Perhaps you would like to email them and rant and rave about it a little more.
What were we not agruing then if not the points I made against BB and HH? You're the one that came in and addressed me! Yea, you were just mocking me for no reason or you were challenging what I was saying to them... Nice try. Now let's finish my points that were made before you came in to mock me, Was BB right in noting the 80's starting point. Also irrelevant where the title came from, it doesn't matter. It's what he posted, I'm challenging the material posted, no shit.
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What were we not agruing then if not the points I made against BB and HH? You're the one that came in and addressed me! Yea, you were just mocking me for no reason or you were challenging what I was saying to them... Nice try. Now let's finish my points that were made before you came in to mock me, Was BB right in noting the 80's starting point. Also irrelevant where the title came from, it doesn't matter. It's what he posted, I'm challenging the material posted, no shit.
we arent argueing anything im stating facts and your yelling about shit you dont think his approval rating has diminished, it has i provided unbiased links to show this.
YOU STATED the topic and issue I had with BB and HH6 was, "Falling to Earth" and "Didn't take long for him to burn through his political capital." which is not illustrated in the approval ratings of Gallup either.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
that was from the article...
gallup has a 10% drop that isnt significant?
Im not even really clear what you are talking about with the beach situation bro again if you want to get an answer on that ask beach.
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we arent argueing anything im stating facts and your yelling about shit you dont think his approval rating has diminished, it has i provided unbiased links to show this.
YOU STATED that was from the article...
gallup has a 10% drop that isnt significant?
Im not even really clear what you are talking about with the beach situation bro again if you want to get an answer on that ask beach.
I'm done, nevermind, believe whatever you want asshole.
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I'm done, nevermind, believe whatever you want asshole.
LOL see this is why i didnt want to post on this thread b/c i knew we would argue and this is exactly how it would turn out :-\
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epic thread backfire.