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I agree with this. Definitely should have pardoned Libby.
Cheney: Not happy we 'left Scooter sort of hanging'
Posted: 05:22 PM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) – Former Vice President Dick Cheney told CNN Sunday that former President George W. Bush should have pardoned former side I. Scooter "Lewis" Libby, and that he was unhappy his former chief of staff had been left "sort of hanging in the wind."
Bush had turned down Cheney's request for a Libby pardon. "Well, it was — it was one of the moments that occurred in the administration where we had fundamental difference of opinion," Cheney told John King on State of the Union. "I believe firmly that Scooter was unjustly accused and prosecuted and deserved a pardon, and the president disagreed with that."
King asked whether any of the discussions had been angry or tense ones, or involved shouting. "Those kinds of details, I think, are best left to history," replied Cheney. "Maybe I'll write about it in my book."
Cheney is writing an as-yet untitled memoir about his four decades in Washington.
He told King he and the president had spoken by phone three times in the past few weeks, and that the two men had "built a very solid, lasting relationship" — although he remained unhappy with Bush's decision on Libby. "I was clearly not happy that we, in effect, left Scooter sort of hanging in the wind, which I didn't think was appropriate. I think he's an innocent man who deserves a pardon," he said.
Cheney also defended Rush Limbaugh from charges by some conservative commentators that the radio host was electoral "kryptonite."
"Rush is a good friend. I love him," Cheney told King. "I think he does great work and has for years. He's now offered to debate President Obama on his radio show. Hell, I'd pay to see that! It would be interesting to have developed. I think Rush is a good man and serves a very important purpose."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/15/cheney-not-happy-we-left-scooter-sort-of-hanging/#more-43904
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lol
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yes it's better for all when criminals are pardoned :'(
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wait til obama's guys decide to leak info about our brave men and women serving.
Will ya be so quick to demand their pardoning?
lol @ partisan politics.
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I'm kind of on the other end of the spectrum
I think he should have been tried for treason
Cheney too
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i watched thw whole interview on cnn.
bb, why should he have been pardoned?
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Pardon Libby?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHH HHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH
Typical neocon pandering for selfish reasons and "their side" of the "facts".
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a court found libby guilty of a crime.
he wasn't convicted of anything by the media, by olbermann, or by the dems.
he was found guilty by a trial of his peers
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Considering that Cheney left office as a sniveling whiner with not an ounce of credibility left with the nation, who cares what he thinks.
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Wow - the NeoCons are really sore losers.
You'd think they would keep their Lie Holes shut instead of criticizing the new administration who, as of yet, doesn't seem to be too interested in investigating the crimes of the Cheney er..I mean Bush Administration
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i watched thw whole interview on cnn.
bb, why should he have been pardoned?
I don't think he should have been prosecuted in the first place. There was no underlying crime. He was pretty much a fall guy.
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I don't think he should have been prosecuted in the first place. There was no underlying crime. He was pretty much a fall guy.
lol - still hanging on to that talking point?
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He was left out hanging. He got caught up in a "process crime" that had nothing to do with the underlying facts compalined about. No different than Martha Stewart, Clinton, or anyone else caught up by a prosecutor looking to get a conviction for anything.
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Was a crime proven by his peers? Yes or no.
Cheney needs to sit the fuck down and be glad his little boy isn't sitting in jail right now as it is.
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Was a crime proven by his peers? Yes or no.
Cheney needs to sit the fuck down and be glad his little boy isn't sitting in jail right now as it is.
Hey moron, look up what "process crime" means before you post your drunken nonsense.
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Hey moron, look up what "process crime" means before you post your drunken nonsense.
so because he was found guilty of a crime that they weren't really prosecuting him for(but guilty nontheless), it's perhaps "lame" and they shouldn't put it on him ?
you gotta wonder if he was a lwayer working for the dems, would the repubs here feel the same way
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If he were truly innocent he would have had nothing to worry about nor been found guilty.
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so because he was found guilty of a crime that they weren't really prosecuting him for(but guilty nontheless), it's perhaps "lame" and they shouldn't put it on him ?
you gotta wonder if he was a lwayer working for the dems, would the repubs here feel the same way
This is the same type of garbage martha stewart went to jail for.
Total nonsense.
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Considering that Cheney left office as a sniveling whiner with not an ounce of credibility left with the nation, who cares what he thinks.
Does anyone else remember (during his VP debate with Joe Leiberman) that Cheney said the war would cost $80 billion and most of it would be paid for by Iraqi oil? I do. ::)
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Does anyone else remember (during his VP debate with Joe Leiberman) that Cheney said the war would cost $80 billion and most of it would be paid for by Iraqi oil? I do. ::)
personally I don't trust Republicans
I might be biased but I think they are mostly liars
not all
just most
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personally I don't trust Republicans
I might be biased but I think they are mostly liars
not all
just most
Oh yeah, liberals are just the paragon of truthfulness.
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Oh yeah, liberals are just the paragon of truthfulness.
I am not aware of any "liberal" party
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This is the same type of garbage martha stewart went to jail for.
Total nonsense.
dude...bad comparison. If i remember correctly she was put in jail for lieing about doing insider trades and not for practicing it. It wasnt illegal at the time but it is a scum practice and she couldve been put away for a lot longer., it is now illegal.....so youre saying even though she lied, she shouldnt have been put in jail regardless?
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This is the same type of garbage martha stewart went to jail for.
Total nonsense.
So if Martha went to jail for it, so should LIbby since it is the "same thing" by your standards.
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This is the same type of garbage martha stewart went to jail for.
Total nonsense.
333386,
Do you think Americans should be allowed to lie under oath, or lie to federal investigators?
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333386,
Do you think Americans should be allowed to lie under oath, or lie to federal investigators?
No, neither should go to jail. You have no idea how they set this garbage up.
The Feds set up a story line that they believe to be the truth. If you contradict them they say you are lying, even though the facts and events may prove otherwise.
This is the same thing that happened with Clinton. He got caught up in a lie during a deposition to a civil case that had nothing to do with the underlying facts being investigated.
Im sure all of you would love libby hung, fine, but you have no idea the traps and danger these things presents.
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No, neither should go to jail. You have no idea how they set this garbage up.
The Feds set up a story line that they believe to be the truth. If you contradict them they say you are lying, even though the facts and events may prove otherwise.
This is the same thing that happened with Clinton. He got caught up in a lie during a deposition to a civil case that had nothing to do with the underlying facts being investigated.
Im sure all of you would love libby hung, fine, but you have no idea the traps and danger these things presents.
The point is this...
When you put your hand on a bible and swear to tell a person with a badge the truth, you'd damn well better tell the truth.
If Clinton had said to prosecutors "None of your damn business"... or if Martha, bonds, Libby, and all the others caught in lies had just said "I take the 5th", they would have never had an issue.
It is this belief you're somehow justified in LYING UNDER OATH that baffles me. You're under oath. if you don't think a Q is fair, you don't answer it. They lie to protect their reputation or because of pure ego. Ya can't lie to the feds, and if they didn't make an example of these ppl, our legal system would collapse as everyone just started lying about everything under oath.
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The point is this...
When you put your hand on a bible and swear to tell a person with a badge the truth, you'd damn well better tell the truth.
If Clinton had said to prosecutors "None of your damn business"... or if Martha, bonds, Libby, and all the others caught in lies had just said "I take the 5th", they would have never had an issue.
It is this belief you're somehow justified in LYING UNDER OATH that baffles me. You're under oath. if you don't think a Q is fair, you don't answer it. They lie to protect their reputation or because of pure ego. Ya can't lie to the feds, and if they didn't make an example of these ppl, our legal system would collapse as everyone just started lying about everything under oath.
Im not justifying anything, I am telling you that the feds and prosecutors set up situations where no matter what you say is construed as a lie.
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Im not justifying anything, I am telling you that the feds and prosecutors set up situations where no matter what you say is construed as a lie.
You just boxed your little self into between a rock and a hard place with that previous response. Since you have total lack of regard to the court system and process of justice it is easy to see why you would share the same opinion as that loser Cheney.
Libby is guilty. It was proven. He caught a break having his sentence commuted. He doesn't deserve a pardon. Get over it.
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You just boxed your little self into between a rock and a hard place with that previous response. Since you have total lack of regard to the court system and process of justice it is easy to see why you would share the same opinion as that loser Cheney.
Libby is guilty. It was proven. He caught a break having his sentence commuted. He doesn't deserve a pardon. Get over it.
Did Marc Rich ?????
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Did Marc Rich ?????
Was he ever convicted in court and found guilty?
Funny you should bring him up as he was represented by Libby and Libby stated he was not guilty of anything.
So.... want to try again?
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Im not justifying anything, I am telling you that the feds and prosecutors set up situations where no matter what you say is construed as a lie.
Wrong.
"I plead the 5th. get me a fvckign lawyer, and get the F outta my face" is always an option.
Instead, people try to out-smart the feds, who never ask a Q unless they already know the answer. People like Clinton and Bonds and Libby and Martha just lie whenever they want in real life, so they think it works on the stand too. It does not.
You can be a major scumbag in real life, lying about everything under the sun and getting away with it.... but the minute you take the oath, it's a crime to lie.
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Wrong.
"I plead the 5th. get me a fvckign lawyer, and get the F outta my face" is always an option.
Instead, people try to out-smart the feds, who never ask a Q unless they already know the answer. People like Clinton and Bonds and Libby and Martha just lie whenever they want in real life, so they think it works on the stand too. It does not.
You can be a major scumbag in real life, lying about everything under the sun and getting away with it.... but the minute you take the oath, it's a crime to lie.
I dont disagree with that. He should have pled the fifth.
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I dont disagree with that. He should have pled the fifth.
yip yip. light weight.
his ego woudln't allow it tho.
Just like the others, he thought he was above the law. And ppl like BB, who started this thread, agree.
Just wait til obama's guys decide to pull the same shit. We'll see if BB and friends as so quick to pardon Holder or Biden when they leak classified info on our brave men/women serving overseas...
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333386,
Do you think Americans should be allowed to lie under oath, or lie to federal investigators?
If they are republican, yes.
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If they are republican, yes.
Thanks bro.
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Thanks bro.
i got you bro
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i got you bro
Hey: our girl Delotta put out a new vid. I will send you the link when I get a chance.
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good thread
I rarely actually read through most of the threads on this site but this one is pretty good