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http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.+1388:
HR 1388, will hit the House floor on Tuesday.It is called the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act (The Give Act.) The House is scheduled to Rule this week. Sponsored by Democrat Representative Carolyn McCarthy (NY), Education and Labor Committee. The objective is to reauthorize and reform the national service laws.
From the Misc. section, #6104: (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.
SEC. 6107. POWERS OF COMMISSION.
(a) Hearings and Sessions- The Commission may, for the purpose of carrying out this title, hold public hearings, sit and act at times and places, take testimony, and receive evidence as the Commission considers appropriate.
(b) Powers of Members and Agents- Any member or agent of the Commission may, if authorized by the Commission, take any action which the Commission is authorized to take by this section.
(c) Obtaining Official Data- Upon request of the Chairperson, the head of any department or agency shall furnish information to the Commission that the Commission deems necessary to enable it to carry out this title.
(d) Physical Facilities and Equipment- The Architect of the Capitol, in consultation with the appropriate entities in the legislative branch, shall locate and provide suitable facilities and equipment for the operation of the Commission on a nonreimbursable basis.
(e) Administrative Support Services- Upon the request of the Commission, the Architect of the Capitol and the Administrator of General Services shall provide to the Commission on a nonreimbursable basis such administrative support services as the Commission may request in order for the Commission to carry out its responsibilities under this title.
They had a similar program in 1930's Germany...
(http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/576/11hitler_youth_02.jpg)
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You know what would strengthen the social fabric? If the government would just piss off.
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Will my so get a cool arm band and knee high boots? Will they have cool youth camps inspired by Barry.? Will Barry's kids have to do service? I'm betting Mrs' Obama's sweet little babies won't be running down MSR Tampa in Iraq or living in a mud hut with the Peace Corps anytime soon.
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What exactly are they trying to accomplish with this?
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What exactly are they trying to accomplish with this?
Discipline and public service, I presume. But they can instill those values in today's kids by throwing their spoiled asses into prison more often when they do things wrong rather than slapping their limp wrists.
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This is another example of why we cannot allow liberal democrats to rule this country. We must elect more conservatives and moderate democrats in 2010. Some of the ideas this congress is trying to push through are insane...expensive and limit our freedoms. Down with big government. I encourage everyone to dennounce any ideas that increase spending further and seek to expand control of the gov.
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You know what would strengthen the social fabric? If the government would just piss off.
The Obama youth.
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I have a 15 year old.I promise he will DO NOTHING TO HELP ANYONE if it is mandatory.Unless its during school hours,then we wont let him be part of it.The schools and government can controll him while at school,after school hes mine.I DECIDE what he will do and he will not be giving food to homeless scumbags or doing anything else like that.He will be getting ready for his next game or season.
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Does anyone else find it hysterical that many countries have some form of mandatory military service for their citizens people and this douchebag wants mandatory social engineering?
The wussification of this country continues.
implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds
Trranslation: Go to the ghetto and help poor people for free
No f'n way my kids are doing this garbage.
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I have a 15 year old.I promise he will DO NOTHING TO HELP ANYONE
hahahaha awesome quote.
What's funny is that so many people here are always yelling "We NEED required military service here in the USA!"
Yet they are promising to burn own their own block in protest if Obama asks their kid to pick up litter on their own street 5 minutes each week.
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Does anyone else find it hysterical that many countries have some form of mandatory military service for their citizens people and this douchebag wants mandatory social engineering?
The wussification of this country continues.
implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds
Trranslation: Go to the ghetto and help poor people for free
No f'n way my kids are doing this garbage.
Agree
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Parents - if your kid had to one thing or another:
1) Spend 6 months fighting overseas, or
2) Spend 6 months picking up litter or helping at a community center
Which would you choose?
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i agree with the premise of this shit. We're a nation of spoiled whiney brats. An hour a fking day wont hurt some kid.
if it was a republican pulling this shit, under the banner of patriotism, repubs here would be a-ok with it.
thank god i'm outta grade school ;D
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Parents - if your kid had to one thing or another:
1) Spend 6 months fighting overseas, or
2) Spend 6 months picking up litter or helping at a community center
Which would you choose?
You truly are pathetic.
Their is no draft dip shit, our military is voluntary.
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You truly are pathetic.
Their is no draft dip shit, our military is voluntary.
settle down, getbig board veteran.
My point is that many people here - repubs - talk about how great required military service is - nationbuilding in Iraq. Yet they're very much against nationbulding in our own country. Just seems odd.
If Cheney/Bush had called this "Patriot Service" and interoduced it on Sept 12, 2001, you would have been teasing the lazy libs who protested it.
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i agree with the premise of this shit. We're a nation of spoiled whiney brats. An hour a fking day wont hurt some kid.
if it was a republican pulling this shit, under the banner of patriotism, repubs here would be a-ok with it.
thank god i'm outta grade school
I bet money you have never donated one minute of your time.
Libs love to force others to donate their time and money.
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settle down, getbig board veteran.
My point is that many people here - repubs - talk about how great required military service is - nationbuilding in Iraq. Yet they're very much against nationbulding in our own country. Just seems odd.
If Cheney/Bush had called this "Patriot Service" and interoduced it on Sept 12, 2001, you would have been teasing the lazy libs who protested it.
talk about how great required military service is
240, Show me the post where I or another conservative wrote that.
Once again, our Military is Voluntary.
Do you understand the word" Voluntary " ?
It seems not ::)
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I bet money you have never donated one minute of your time.
Libs love to force others to donate their time and money.
a. i'm no lib
b. lets simmer down with random acusations scott, have YOU ever donated anything besides a 15$ check to the rnc?
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I dont feel like searching. but i remember a few people here saying req'd military service would be a great thing for america, and i'm sure others remember it too.
personally, i worked full time at a hospital all summer in the cafeteria all thru high school. I went to a catholic private high school which required it, and I did it. After high school, I was kinda used to it, and did 1 day a week volunteering at an elementary school, kinda outta habit. Today I don't volunteer, but I do buy wardrobes, all school supplies, and a library in the home of all my neices and nephews, and plan on doing the FL pre-paid college thing soon...
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I dont feel like searching. but i remember a few people here saying req'd military service would be a great thing for america, and i'm sure others remember it too.
Just stay off the Porno sites for a few minutes, and show me where it was written.........
personally, i worked full time at a hospital all summer in the cafeteria all thru high school. I went to a catholic private high school which required it, and I did it. After high school, I was kinda used to it, and did 1 day a week volunteering at an elementary school, kinda outta habit. Today I don't volunteer, but I do buy wardrobes, all school supplies, and a library in the home of all my neices and nephews, and plan on doing the FL pre-paid college thing soon...
Your parents sent you to that Catholic school,, it was a choice on their part, They had a choice in what their child did and did not do.
You are too stupid to put down your liberal glasses, to see anything in truth anymore.
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I wouldnt be opposed to mandatory service if it was DURING school time.Once school ends,so ends a students "requirements".Im sick of this whole Obama "we need to be part of something bigger then ourselves".Sorry,no I dont.My commitment is fulfilled every April 15th.Thats it,thats all I want to give.
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Yes, all of Americas youth should be forced to spend time in dangerous neihborhoods and perform "Community Service" for no pay. Once that happens, there will be no more racism and no more poverty. This is a brilliant idea.
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I wouldnt be opposed to mandatory service if it was DURING school time.Once school ends,so ends a students "requirements".Im sick of this whole Obama "we need to be part of something bigger then ourselves".Sorry,no I dont.My commitment is fulfilled every April 15th.Thats it,thats all I want to give.
Absolutely!
As was previously said, Liberals LOVE giving... as long as its someone elses time and money.
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Conservatives More Generous than Liberals - Proof is in the Pudding
http://www.notoriouslyconservative.com/2009/03/conservatives-more-generous-than.html
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Conservatives More Generous than Liberals - Proof is in the Pudding
http://www.notoriouslyconservative.com/2009/03/conservatives-more-generous-than.html
haha they're a lot richer too ;)
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haha they're a lot richer too
240, wrong as usual................
watch the video :
http://www.notoriouslyconservative.com/2009/03/conservatives-more-generous-than.html
or read :
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html
Conservatives More Liberal Givers
Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.
If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data. They include these findings:
-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).
-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.
-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.
-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.
-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.
-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.
Brooks demonstrates a correlation between charitable behavior and "the values that lie beneath" liberal and conservative labels. Two influences on charitable behavior are religion and attitudes about the proper role of government.
The single biggest predictor of someone's altruism, Willett says, is religion. It increasingly correlates with conservative political affiliations because, as Brooks' book says, "the percentage of self-described Democrats who say they have 'no religion' has more than quadrupled since the early 1970s." America is largely divided between religious givers and secular nongivers, and the former are disproportionately conservative. One demonstration that religion is a strong determinant of charitable behavior is that the least charitable cohort is a relatively small one -- secular conservatives.
Reviewing Brooks' book in the Texas Review of Law & Politics, Justice Willett notes that Austin -- it voted 56 percent for Kerry while he was getting just 38 percent statewide -- is ranked by The Chronicle of Philanthropy as 48th out of America's 50 largest cities in per capita charitable giving. Brooks' data about disparities between liberals' and conservatives' charitable giving fit these facts: Democrats represent a majority of the wealthiest congressional districts, and half of America's richest households live in states where both senators are Democrats.
While conservatives tend to regard giving as a personal rather than governmental responsibility, some liberals consider private charity a retrograde phenomenon -- a poor palliative for an inadequate welfare state, and a distraction from achieving adequacy by force, by increasing taxes. Ralph Nader, running for president in 2000, said: "A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity." Brooks, however, warns: "If support for a policy that does not exist ... substitutes for private charity, the needy are left worse off than before. It is one of the bitterest ironies of liberal politics today that political opinions are apparently taking the place of help for others."
In 2000, brows were furrowed in perplexity because Vice President Al Gore's charitable contributions, as a percentage of his income, were below the national average: He gave 0.2 percent of his family income, one-seventh of the average for donating households. But Gore "gave at the office." By using public office to give other peoples' money to government programs, he was being charitable, as liberals increasingly, and conveniently, understand that word.
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The point is that we must control our government, not the other way around. Obama believes differently despite the talk.
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If you make $1,000,000 per year, it's tax-friendly and not all that painful to donate 5% of your income.
If you make $15,000 per year, it's not tax friendly, and it's very painful to donate 5% of your income.
If you dont' see that, I don't know what to tell you.
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If you make $1,000,000 per year, it's tax-friendly and not all that painful to donate 5% of your income.
If you make $15,000 per year, it's not tax friendly, and it's very painful to donate 5% of your income.
If you dont' see that, I don't know what to tell you
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are you smoking crack ?
watch the video !
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If you make $1,000,000 per year, it's tax-friendly and not all that painful to donate 5% of your income.
If you make $15,000 per year, it's not tax friendly, and it's very painful to donate 5% of your income.
If you dont' see that, I don't know what to tell you.
Face it,libs are cheap as hell.Look at Joe Bodens or the Obamas giving.They are cheap as hell.
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I wish we had something similar.
Many of the youths of today needs to get out a few days a year with a good role model and perhaps do some voluntary work for senior citizens to instill a little appreciation for the previous generations.
Not everyone has the same type of great role models as Billys son. 8)
take a look around in the nearest ghetto - those kids could use a reality check.
Again, great idea.
Wonder how it will be implemented though - perhaps through sports clubs et al?
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I dont feel like searching. but i remember a few people here saying req'd military service would be a great thing for america, and i'm sure others remember it too.
personally, i worked full time at a hospital all summer in the cafeteria all thru high school. I went to a catholic private high school which required it, and I did it. After high school, I was kinda used to it, and did 1 day a week volunteering at an elementary school, kinda outta habit. Today I don't volunteer, but I do buy wardrobes, all school supplies, and a library in the home of all my neices and nephews, and plan on doing the FL pre-paid college thing soon...
As the only active duty guy here...bad friggen idea. But not to derail the thread...my son is 14 and will not be participating in the Obama youth. He plans to enlist before college and has a current infatuation with ghilli suits and wants to be a Marine Sniper. The next time my kid strolls through some 3rd world shithole, it won't be a with a bag of rice over his shoulder. If ur going to do this, go all out...military service or bs social work tied to college credits/loans/grants....I'm against it but come on barry, shit or get off the pot.
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Absolutely!
As was previously said, Liberals LOVE giving... as long as its someone elses time and money.
"I recently asked a friend's little girl what she wanted to be when she
grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her
parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, 'If you
were President what would be the first thing you would do?'
She replied, 'I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'
Her parents beamed.
'Wow...what a worthy goal.' I told her, 'But you don't have to wait
until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow
the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll
take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and
you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.'
She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in
the eye and asked, 'Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the
work, and you can just pay him the $50?'
I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'"
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Once u pay taxes..ur world view changes.....ur average non-religious kid is forced to do peace corps work will end up wanting to burn villages and eat babies. Imagine a bus load of Obama bots hijacked and killed...or worse US troops forced to rescue them. It takes a very special kind of person to work for the Peace Corps, they work in hostile areas, diseases....lack of clean water...I don't see a kid from middle america even working in detroit or appalachia.
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Once u pay taxes..ur world view changes.....ur average non-religious kid is forced to do peace corps work will end up wanting to burn villages and eat babies. Imagine a bus load of Obama bots hijacked and killed...or worse US troops forced to rescue them. It takes a very special kind of person to work for the Peace Corps, they work in hostile areas, diseases....lack of clean water...I don't see a kid from middle america even working in detroit or appalachia.
From what I understand a lot of the work will be done domestically.
A lot of the kids today needs to learn good community values, to show respect and be decent citizens.
Organised work with good role models could be awesome.
I think this could be something that really gives USA an edge on other countries - unfortunately.
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I think it needs to be all or nothing, not something u do...50 hours or something. I would like a program run for 2 years after highschool that allowed u into either the military or into social work and then a tiered program for the social work tied to loans/grants/whatever. The military option is full on...u deploy, fight...access to college classes in the off time etc...basically no difference then a regular enlistment.