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Back in the day Chris Cormier had an impressive chest/traps complex.
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Chris was looking AWESOME then....
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Chris was looking AWESOME then....
Holy legs batman!
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amazing physique
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one of my favorite physique ever
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No cellphone or bluetooth to throw off his symmetry.
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:o
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I train with chris a couple of times three years ago in venice gold's. He is a great guy and he's always with beautiful girl.
He gave a picture of him when he was 19 at the time Im gonna try to post it.
Chris used to use a lot of GH when I met him.
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amazing physique
This the same show where Ahmo was kissing his pec (backstage)...it's probably the pic before or after this one.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=280311.0;attach=320187;image)
No, competitive bb isn't gay at all.
:D ::)
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I train with chris a couple of times three years ago in venice gold's. He is a great guy and he's always with beautiful girl.
He gave a picture of him when he was 19 at the time Im gonna try to post it.
Chris used to use a lot of GH when I met him.
how do you know he was using alot of gh ?
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=280311.0;attach=320187;image)
No, competitive bb isn't gay at all.
:D ::)
Other than those pink posing trunks I don't see anything gay about it
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=280311.0;attach=320187;image)
No, competitive bb isn't gay at all.
:D ::)
chris looks like a stone cold pimp in that photo. not gay
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Other than those pink posing trunks I don't see anything gay about it
Flex's outfit looks pretty hetro too. ;D
Nothing worse than a bunch of lifetime drug users sitting around praising each other for their genetic response to drugs.
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how do you know he was using alot of gh ?
He told me and I saw it. He also alway go to the gym with his GH because he took it while was training (at the middle of the workout he went to the bathroom and told me he took his GH).
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Flex's outfit looks pretty hetro too. ;D
Nothing worse than a bunch of lifetime drug users sitting around praising each other for their genetic response to drugs.
hahaha, arent you the guy who couldnt break 170lb while on the sauce? epic hating on guys with a good genetic response to the stuff
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hahaha, arent you the guy who couldnt break 170lb while on the sauce? epic hating on guys with a good genetic response to the stuff
No. You must have me confused with someone else.
I gained 35-40lbs in 2 months in 94'.
If someone has good genetics, great. When someone accomplishes a lot on their own, I give credit to those. If they are heavy drug abusers, sorry, I don't really respect it....neither do most people, outside of getbig that is. :-\
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Pink thong aside, that is an amazing picture.
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chris looks like a stone cold pimp in that photo. not gay
yea, that pic is seriously gangsta as hell.
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Cormier in that Gold's shot looks awesome
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Back in the day Chris Cormier had an impressive chest/traps complex.
how a pro should look like
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No. You must have me confused with someone else.
I gained 35-40lbs in 2 months in 94'.
If someone has good genetics, great. When someone accomplishes a lot on their own, I give credit to those. If they are heavy drug abusers, sorry, I don't really respect it....neither do most people, outside of getbig that is. :-\
So bbing aint your thing then?
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Flex's outfit looks pretty hetro too. ;D
Nothing worse than a bunch of lifetime drug users sitting around praising each other for their genetic response to drugs.
What were your stats after 5 years of training?
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Chris was like Paul Dillet. FUcking amazing genetics and drug response but lazy as shit and no dedication.
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Chris was like Paul Dillet. FUcking amazing genetics and drug response but lazy as shit and no dedication.
I always thought the one that trained hardest out of the Flex, Rico & Chris trio was Cormier.
Flex was gifted and lazy.
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Chris was like Paul Dillet. FUcking amazing genetics and drug response but lazy as shit and no dedication.
yes inclining 405 for reps and flat pressing the 200's for reps requires zero dedication, lots of "lazy" dudes do it. ::)
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yes inclining 405 for reps and flat pressing the 200's for reps requires zero dedication, lots of "lazy" dudes do it. ::)
It doesn't if it comes naturally to you. It is relative.
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It doesn't if it comes naturally to you. It is relative.
hahahahahahaaaa, ok deicide. ::)
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hahaha, arent you the guy who couldnt break 170lb while on the sauce? epic hating on guys with a good genetic response to the stuff
X2!!!!!!!!!!
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No. You must have me confused with someone else.
I gained 35-40lbs in 2 months in 94'.
If someone has good genetics, great. When someone accomplishes a lot on their own, I give credit to those. If they are heavy drug abusers, sorry, I don't really respect it....neither do most people, outside of getbig that is. :-\
quit crying.......the type of bull shit you spew is nauseating! I get so tired of jealous haters.
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X2!!!!!!!!!!
hahahah, exactly, or the other classic, "he weighs 270 pounds so inclining 455 and flat pressing a pair of 200's is "easy" for him. ::)
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CC had the best classic structure of all of his peers. He had no weak parts and most of the time came in great shape.
Was a funny guy at expos to meet as well.
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The secret is out, being lazy gives superior muscle mass and strength. And if that might be true than maybe training too hard, too often gives less results in return. Not so much being lazy but understanding what is enough and fits your body's needs. Think Cormier and a lot of other Pro's find that out right away. And BB'ing chemical engineering, added to the mix, doesn't hurt either.Too bad Cormier got caught up in clubbing and all the stuff that goes with it.
A lot of extra sized lifters, I have seen and heard of, could be put in that "lazy" class.
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Dude has used more party drugs over the years then Pete Doherty and made more girls mudsharks then shawn ray and jimi hendrix put togheter
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hahahahahahaaaa, ok deicide. ::)
You really don't get that? If you start off running a 5 minute mile it is immeasureably easier to run a 4 minute mile than someone who starts running a 10 minute mile. You don't get that?
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Dude has used more party drugs over the years then Pete Doherty and made more girls mudsharks then shawn ray and jimi hendrix put togheter
and thats a bad thing ? (for him)
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and thats a bad thing ? (for him)
he ruined his body so Yes..
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he ruined his body so Yes..
You're the fucking man!
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You really don't get that? If you start off running a 5 minute mile it is immeasureably easier to run a 4 minute mile than someone who starts running a 10 minute mile. You don't get that?
you've obviously never held anything heavier than 205 in your hands on any pressing movement if you think 405 or 200's db's "come naturally" for anyone. ::)
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you've obviously never held anything heavier than 205 in your hands on any pressing movement if you think 405 or 200's db's "come naturally" for anyone. ::)
That is irrelevant. My point was only that where you start from makes a great difference. The analogy with the mile illustrates this. When I first started benching I could barely get 40lbs up for one rep, in relative terms I have made good progress but that wouldn't be good progress for someone who starts at 200lbs.
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That is irrelevant. My point was only that where you start from makes a great difference. The analogy with the mile illustrates this. When I first started benching I could barely get 40lbs up for one rep, in relative terms I have made good progress but that wouldn't be good progress for someone who starts at 200lbs.
like i said, get up to 315 for even a single on the bench and then we'll talk about how "easy" 405 is for ANYONE. ::)
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like i said, get up to 315 for even a single on the bench and then we'll talk about how "easy" 405 is for ANYONE. ::)
I don't think that is within my genetic limits naturally. Maybe one day but unlikely.
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I don't think that is within my genetic limits naturally. Maybe one day but unlikely.
that's seriously pitiful, no offense, i maybe fat but 315 is a rep weight for me now, even while i'm losing weight.
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that's seriously pitiful, no offense, i maybe fat but 315 is a rep weight for me now, even while i'm losing weight.
No one ever denied you were a strong guy Squad.
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that's seriously pitiful, no offense, i maybe fat but 315 is a rep weight for me now, even while i'm losing weight.
photos or I'm calling BS.
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photos or I'm calling BS.
believe it or not i'm down to 237 as of yesterday from 252 a month and a half ago. :D
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believe it or not i'm down to 237 as of yesterday from 252 a month and a half ago. :D
Thats great, whats your goal?
Im sure u gonna post photos when you're done?
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Thats great, whats your goal?
Im sure u gonna post photos when you're done?
i might, i'm gonna try to get to around 220-225 and keep it there.
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Thats great, whats your goal?
Im sure u gonna post photos when you're done?
Du er manen!
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Du er manen!
u da maaan
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like i said, get up to 315 for even a single on the bench and then we'll talk about how "easy" 405 is for ANYONE. ::)
Dont forget it was 405 on the incline
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Dont forget it was 405 on the incline
exactly, i HELD 405 once in my hands on flats and it felt like my wrists and forearms were gonna break.
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u da maaan
Ja! Den där er den absolut sanning emedan du er Svensk!
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Chris had a complete physique with no weaknesses. I think he is underrated and should be considered as good as Ray, Levrone, or Wheeler.
This black and white photo is one of the best bodybuilding pics ever IMO. HIs back thickness is just insane!
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quit crying.......the type of bull shit you spew is nauseating! I get so tired of jealous haters.
It's funny, you disagree with what some people are about and you're a hater or jealous?
I disagree here. Much like a clown who drives a Hummer with 40" rims. I would say, this guy is a douchebag.
Does this make me a hater, no, it simple means I think he's a fucking clown.
Get it right. ;)
"Hater" this term is overused and should be left in the ghetto, where it came from.
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chris had the most beautiful body, perfect symmetry, good mass, no weak points. amazing physique in his prime. a good poser too. what bodybuilding should be.
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It's funny, you disagree with what some people are about and you're a hater or jealous?
I disagree here. Much like a clown who drives a Hummer with 40" rims. I would say, this guy is a douchebag.
Does this make me a hater, no, it simple means I think he's a fucking clown.
Get it right. ;)
"Hater" this term is overused and should be left in the ghetto, where it came from.
You are obsessed with juicers. Why don't you just train and live your life without screaming about people for making different choices than you?
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You are obsessed with juicers. Why don't you just train and live your life without screaming about people for making different choices than you?
I try, but am bombarded with these fools daily.
Nothing worse than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of bbing pretenders, it's pathetic. Maybe if people weren't such trash, I wouldn't care. Typical Vegas fake titty implant/gh/roid users.
It's a walking contradiction. I try to look healthy, but ingest drugs to do it? I have more respect for crackheads.
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Because it's crap. Nothing worse than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of bbing pretenders, it's pathetic. Maybe if people weren't such trash, I wouldn't care.
I see trash all the time but I don't care. What exactly is so difficult here?
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I see trash all the time but I don't care. What exactly is so difficult here?
Yup. To each his own.
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I see trash all the time but I don't care. What exactly is so difficult here?
Watching these tools pretend to be bbers daily, is honestly hard. It's a disgrace to real bodybuilding. Pretty much contradicting everything bbing is about. Your own achievements. Any tool can ingest plenty of drugs and grow, there simply is no challenge in that. To watch middle aged men praising each other for their latest cycle, is just pathetic to watch. Most clowns can't gain 20lbs on their own. Where's the heart in that?
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Chris had a complete physique with no weaknesses. I think he is underrated and should be considered as good as Ray, Levrone, or Wheeler.
This black and white photo is one of the best bodybuilding pics ever IMO. HIs back thickness is just insane!
he always seemed to be lacking something
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Watching these tools pretend to be bbers daily, is honestly hard. It's a disgrace to real bodybuilding. Pretty much contradicting everything bbing is about. Your own achievements. Any tool can ingest plenty of drugs and grow, there simply is no challenge in that. To watch middle aged men praising each other for their latest cycle, is just pathetic to watch. Most clowns can't gain 20lbs on their own. Where's the heart in that?
Pathetic explanation for why you waste so much energy caring about juiceheads all the time.
I think all this stems from the fact that you WANT to hate them to make yourself feel better. You want to feel superior to them, if not by muscle then by dedication or "honesty" if you will. All this is a issue of ego on your part.
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Watching these tools pretend to be bbers daily, is honestly hard. It's a disgrace to real bodybuilding. Pretty much contradicting everything bbing is about. Your own achievements. Any tool can ingest plenty of drugs and grow, there simply is no challenge in that. To watch middle aged men praising each other for their latest cycle, is just pathetic to watch. Most clowns can't gain 20lbs on their own. Where's the heart in that?
I don't get people like you. It's no different than religious people pushing their agenda on other people. I am a natural but it's not something I am 'proud' of, it just is the way it is. People are allowed to make different choices and just because some people take steroids doesn't mean they don't work hard.
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I don't get people like you. It's no different than religious people pushing their agenda on other people. I am a natural but it's not something I am 'proud' of, it just is the way it is. People are allowed to make different choices and just because some people take steroids doesn't mean they don't work hard.
I didn't say some don't work hard. It's just a walking contradiction...that's all.
I don't like pretenders. To me, that's what a juicer is. He's pretending to be huge for a few months. Much like a child wearing underoos pretends to be Spiderman...it's laughable.
(http://static.open.salon.com/files/underoos1238565632.jpg)
haha, Classic.
(http://retrocrush.buzznet.com/archive2004/underoos/hulk.jpg)
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I didn't say some don't work hard. It's just a walking contradiction...that's all.
I don't like pretenders. To me, that's what a juicer is. He's pretending to be huge for a few months. Much like a child wearing underoos pretends to be Spiderman...it's laughable.
haha, Classic.
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Are you saying IFBB pros are only "pretending"?
If you want to get philosophical about it, everything we do is "pretending". For a juicer his extra muscles go away when he stops injecting himself. For you, your muscles go away when you start to eat too little or workout less than you should. A rich guy is only rich when he has the assets to back it up, you could say he's a poor guy with artificially too much money at the time. Everything has an end.
Again, you bashing juicers all the time has everything to do with ego and nothing else.
EDIT: You make it sound like if given enough time and hard work, a natural could achieve the same size or conditioning a juicer could which is obviously blatantly incorrect.
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Are you saying IFBB pros are only "pretending"?
If you want to get philosophical about it, everything we do is "pretending". For a juicer his extra muscles go away when he stops injecting himself. For you, your muscles go away when you start to eat too little or workout less than you should. A rich guy is only rich when he has the assets to back it up, you could say he's a poor guy with artificially too much money at the time. Everything has an end.
Again, you bashing juicers all the time has everything to do with ego and nothing else.
EDIT: You make it sound like if given enough time and hard work, a natural could achieve the same size or conditioning a juicer could which is obviously blatantly incorrect.
I don't recall ever stating that.
I know the "without diet and training the muscle would go" argument. It's a poor analogy.
Two mountain climbers spend 2 months climbing the highest peak in New Zealand. When they get to the top, a wealthy couple is having lunch by their helicopter. They're both on the top of the mountain.
Have they accomplished the same feat?
Answer, no. ;) It's a joke. To most of the world outside getbig, it's viewed the same.
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I don't recall ever stating that.
I know the "without diet and training the muscle would go" argument. It's a poor analogy.
Two mountain climbers spend 2 months climbing the highest peak in New Zealand. When they get to the top, a wealthy couple is having lunch by their helicopter. They're both on the top of the mountain.
Have they accomplished the same feat?
Answer, no. ;) It's a joke. To most of the world outside getbig, it's viewed the same.
You are genetically gifted.
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watch when he comes out, the first front lat spread he does.
the most beautiful front lat spread ever
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I don't recall ever stating that.
I know the "without diet and training the muscle would go" argument. It's a poor analogy.
Two mountain climbers spend 2 months climbing the highest peak in New Zealand. When they get to the top, a wealthy couple is having lunch by their helicopter. They're both on the top of the mountain.
Have they accomplished the same feat?
Answer, no. ;) It's a joke. To most of the world outside getbig, it's viewed the same.
You might want to take up a sport where drugs are less effective and parcel to the culture. Have you considered long distance running? Given your obsessive fear of the juice I'd say you probably have the physique for it.
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sick ass song, two amazing bodybuildrs...
who do you think is better? i think chris got dex
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sick ass song, two amazing bodybuildrs...
who do you think is better? i think chris got dex
Cormier owns Dexter any day of the week.
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I agree that CC > Dex. While Dex is a great bodybuilder, it's strange that he has a Mr. O and Flex, Ray, Levrone, and Cormier don't. I guess it's all about the era in which one competes, e.g. no Dorian or Ronnie to compete against.
Cormier doesn't have any "freaky" bodyparts which is why he may appear to be lacking something. However, IMO he has just as much of a wow factor as Ray, Flex, or Dexter.
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You might want to take up a sport where drugs are less effective and parcel to the culture. Have you considered long distance running? Given your obsessive fear of the juice I'd say you probably have the physique for it.
No, I weigh 218lbs at 5' 7". Unlike most juiced up pussies, I manned up and put on 50lbs of mass in a year with no drugs. I know, I'm probably 24%bf..haha
Getbig, better than a sitcom.
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No, I weigh 218lbs at 5' 7". Unlike most juiced up pussies, I manned up and put on 50lbs of mass in a year with no drugs. I know, I'm probably 24%bf..haha
Getbig, better than a sitcom.
This is physiologically impossible. 50lbs in one year...not possible natural. You can't be serious.
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No, I weigh 218lbs at 5' 7". Unlike most juiced up pussies, I manned up and put on 50lbs of mass in a year with no drugs. I know, I'm probably 24%bf..haha
Getbig, better than a sitcom.
;D
Gutted
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;D
Gutted
Gaining 50lbs of msucle mass in one year is simply NOT possible for a natural. Maybe he didn't mean that?
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Gaining 50lbs of msucle mass in one year is simply NOT possible for a natural. Maybe he didn't mean that?
Of course he didn't gain 50lb or pure muscle
But a 50lb weight gain for a natural is possible.
However, you will gain a fair amount of fat
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This is physiologically impossible. 50lbs in one year...not possible natural. You can't be serious.
That amounts up to roughly 4lbs of muscle each month. Somethings not right here lmao.
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Of course he didn't gain 50lb or pure muscle
But a 50lb weight gain for a natural is possible.
However, you will gain a fair amount of fat
Limit for a natural might be 25lbs in one year with AMAZING genetics...let's assume he has freak genetics, so he gains 25lbs of muscle and fat...still VERY hard to believe...
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I don't recall ever stating that.
I know the "without diet and training the muscle would go" argument. It's a poor analogy.
Two mountain climbers spend 2 months climbing the highest peak in New Zealand. When they get to the top, a wealthy couple is having lunch by their helicopter. They're both on the top of the mountain.
Have they accomplished the same feat?
Answer, no. ;) It's a joke. To most of the world outside getbig, it's viewed the same.
In the case of steroids vs no steroids, your analogy doesn't make any sense. No matter how hard a natural bodybuilder trains, he'll never look like a juiced up bodybuilder that is far past his natural limit. Now if you were gonna compare two guys that started at 150lbs and got to 180lbs, one being natural and the other one not, then your analogy would make perfect sense.
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No, I weigh 218lbs at 5' 7". Unlike most juiced up pussies, I manned up and put on 50lbs of mass in a year with no drugs. I know, I'm probably 24%bf..haha
Getbig, better than a sitcom.
Do you mean muscle mass or 10lbs muscle and 40 lbs fat?
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Do you mean muscle mass or 10lbs muscle and 40 lbs fat?
i think i remember Croatch saying that he had been partying and drinking and was kind of skinny at maybe 145-150 pounds and quit the partying and lifted and ate right so i can believe 50 POUNDS TOTAL SCALE WEIGHT but no fuccking way on earth was it 50 pounds of muscle, not even a sauced up Ronnie Coleman could do that.
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i think i remember Croatch saying that he had been partying and drinking and was kind of skinny at maybe 145-150 pounds and quit the partying and lifted and ate right so i can believe 50 POUNDS TOTAL SCALE WEIGHT but no fuccking way on earth was it 50 pounds of muscle, not even a sauced up Ronnie Coleman could do that.
Obviously not, no human can put on 50lbs of muscle mass in a year. So I am thinking MAYBE 15 muscle and 35 fat...
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On my first year of training I put on roughly 20lbs and I felt like I exploded.
50lbs?? ROFL!
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On my first year of training I put on roughly 20lbs and I felt like I exploded.
50lbs?? ROFL!
like i said, total scale weight it's DEFINITLEY possible, shit as easy as i put on weight it's scary to think how much weight i could gain but it sure as shit wouldn't be mostly muscle.
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like i said, total scale weight it's DEFINITLEY possible, shit as easy as i put on weight it's scary to think how much weight i could gain but it sure as shit wouldn't be mostly muscle.
Yeah but it leaves Croatch with two alternatives:
1. He is lying.
2. He did gain 50lbs but most of it was fat and that's not really impressive.
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chris cormier is basically what bodybuilding is all about. not someone like evan cantaloupe or phil heath or lunch trey. you either have it or you dont and chris had it
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chris cormier is basically what bodybuilding is all about. not someone like evan cantaloupe or phil heath or lunch trey. you either have it or you dont and chris had it
yeah, this guy "doesn't have it". ::) i don't understand all the hate for Evan, dude looks great and comes off like a nice guy in his clips.
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This is physiologically impossible. 50lbs in one year...not possible natural. You can't be serious.
No, completely serious and legit. From A-B with no drugs. 150lbs - 205lbs. One year.
Probably 35lbs muscle or more, who knows. I have the before/after shots.
Since, I've lost some fat, gained some muscle. At 218lbs now.
Again, this is why I don't sweat most juicers gains. I laugh at these guys 9 of 10 times.
"Hey bro, you think I'm looking swole? I just increases my dbol intake. I think I put on 5lbs of water since last week. Wait, how's my gold chain look?"
hahaah ::) Fools.
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No, completely serious and legit. From A-B with no drugs. 150lbs - 205lbs. One year.
Probably 35lbs muscle or more, who knows. I have the before/after shots.
Since, I've lost some fat, gained some muscle. At 218lbs now.
Again, this is why I don't sweat most juicers gains. I laugh at these guys 9 of 10 times.
"Hey bro, you think I'm looking swole? I just increases my dbol intake. I think I put on 5lbs of water since last week. Wait, how's my gold chain look?"
hahaah ::) Fools.
35lbs of muscle in one year as a natural. You must be a total genetic freak.
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Yeah but it leaves Croatch with two alternatives:
1. He is lying.
2. He did gain 50lbs but most of it was fat and that's not really impressive.
1. If I can't put on a lot of good weight my first year of training, there's no way someone else could.
2. There's no way someone can make great gains, unless they take drugs.
Rather than doubt it, maybe ask some questions on diet/training. Typical response on here though. I remember posting before/after shots years ago on here expecting to get:
"Well done" "Nice job."
Instead, nothing but ridicule..hahah. It took me a little, but I figured out what getbig was all about. Putting the other guy down. If he posts shots, critique them or question his claims on being natural, question the weight/bf listed, point out his flaws...poor calves, wide midsection, etc.
Again, that's what makes this site enjoyable. If it were a "hey, nice job man, keep it up." site, would I post here....
NO. :D
If I want a pat on the back, I'll stand in line to see Santa in December and wish for a gym free of drug abusing clowns. ;) :-\
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1. If I can't put on a lot of good weight my first year of training, there's no way someone else could.
2. There's no way someone can make great gains, unless they take drugs.
Rather than doubt it, maybe ask some questions on diet/training. Typical response on here though. I remember posting before/after shots years ago on here expecting to get:
"Well done" "Nice job."
Instead, nothing but ridicule..hahah. It took me a little, but I figured out what getbig was all about. Putting the other guy down. If he posts shots, critique them or question his claims on being natural, question the weight/bf listed, point out his flaws...poor calves, wide midsection, etc.
Again, that's what makes this site enjoyable. If it were a "hey, nice job man, keep it up." site, would I post here....
NO. :D
If I want a pat on the back, I'll stand in line to see Santa in December and wish for a gym free of drug abusing clowns. ;) :-\
As I said, 35lbs in one year of muscle mass puts you in the 1% genetic elite...
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35lbs of muscle in one year as a natural. You must be a total genetic freak.
Well consider a few things. Horrid diet, to 3lbs of chicken a day. I had lifted for years previously (muscle memory). I did this at 26, slow metabolism. Quit smoking at the same time, increase of appetite.
Trained hard, never missing days, sufficient rest, etc. I'd say 30lbs of lean mass easily.
Many could do it, but usually have no faith in their own abilities or have the consistency or drive for more than a few months at a time. I barely had a great diet the first 6 months back, then started eating a ton.
Again, this is why I don't respect the drug route. Most never even give it a year of REAL consistency on diet/training. Nothing to applaud for popping a few pills, then having a protein shake after an easy workout.
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As I said, 35lbs in one year of muscle mass puts you in the 1% genetic elite...
I wouldn't say that. Think of how many people actually eat 5-6 good meals per day, with sufficient calories. Never miss days. Train hard, etc.
Most cop out, take drugs, and accept those gains as an "accomplishment". BBing today is honestly sad.
Unlike you're going for a pro title, you take drugs because you fail yourself. Fail having faith in your own work ethic, drive, etc. All I see are failures at the gym, not bbers.
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1. If I can't put on a lot of good weight my first year of training, there's no way someone else could.
2. There's no way someone can make great gains, unless they take drugs.
Rather than doubt it, maybe ask some questions on diet/training. Typical response on here though. I remember posting before/after shots years ago on here expecting to get:
"Well done" "Nice job."
Instead, nothing but ridicule..hahah. It took me a little, but I figured out what getbig was all about. Putting the other guy down. If he posts shots, critique them or question his claims on being natural, question the weight/bf listed, point out his flaws...poor calves, wide midsection, etc.
Again, that's what makes this site enjoyable. If it were a "hey, nice job man, keep it up." site, would I post here....
NO. :D
If I want a pat on the back, I'll stand in line to see Santa in December and wish for a gym free of drug abusing clowns. ;) :-\
Hahaha, I love it when you keep stroking your own ego with "It seems like I'm the only one willing to do the hard work". What exactly have you done that is so revolutionizing? Putting on close to 50lbs of lean mass in one year natural is a damn revolution and don't expect anyone to swallow it.
There are TONS of people all over the world busting their asses of naturally, keeping strict diets and working out like there was no tomorrow. Don't act like you're the only one. But if you ask them, I'm pretty sure most of them agree that putting on 50lbs of lean mass naturally in a year is a fucking fantasy.
Besides, you can never be a true natural. You've admitted to juicing in the past.
But to make it short, what have you done so differently that made you so successful? It must be something really out of this world.
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Hahaha, I love it when you keep stroking your own ego with "It seems like I'm the only one willing to do the hard work". What exactly have you done that is so revolutionizing? Putting on close to 50lbs of lean mass in one year natural is a damn revolution and don't expect anyone to swallow it.
There are TONS of people all over the world busting their asses of naturally, keeping strict diets and working out like there was no tomorrow. Don't act like you're the only one. But if you ask them, I'm pretty sure most of them agree that putting on 50lbs of lean mass naturally in a year is a fucking fantasy.
Besides, you can never be a true natural. You've admitted to juicing in the past.
But to make it short, what have you done so differently that made you so successful? It must be something really out of this world.
50lbs with some muscle memory and radical change in diet, it's not really that hard.
Do different, 3lbs of chicken per day for 6 months, maybe a year. Train hard, creatine. Nothing revolutionary, just plenty consistent.
This was in 2002. I did one cycle in 94', which I kept zero of. I'd consider those natural gains. From A-B, with no drugs.
Of course, people will claim clean, but really makes those feel better about their own shortcomings. It's a tag all the same.
I also smoked weed when I was younger. So, I'm technically a stoner too.
Here's a clip of some pictures.
From :37 to :49 is a one year period 02' - 03', with NO drugs. Damn, at 1:53 I look pretty sick...haha, no drugs either. That was shot in 2005. Creatine, diet, consistent training.
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50lbs with some muscle memory and radical change in diet, it's not really that hard.
Do different, 3lbs of chicken per day for 6 months, maybe a year. Train hard, creatine. Nothing revolutionary, just plenty consistent.
This was in 2002. I did one cycle in 94', which I kept zero of. I'd consider those natural gains. From A-B, with no drugs.
Of course, people will claim clean, but really makes those feel better about their own shortcomings. It's a tag all the same.
I also smoked weed when I was younger. So, I'm technically a stoner too.
Here's a clip of some pictures.
From :37 to :49 is a one year period 02' - 03', with NO drugs. Damn, at 1:53 I look pretty sick...haha, no drugs either. That was shot in 2005. Creatine, diet, consistent training.
Haha ok I get it, you basically did the basics in bodybuilding nutrition and training that millions of others do as well. How come so few (if any) get same results? Must be your genetics then. Or fat. You keep talking about "dedication" and "hard work". Trust me, you're not the only one doing those things but yet you seem to be a huge statistic anomaly. Why do you expect us to swallow that you've gained 50lbs of lean mass in one year naturally when it's practically impossible for everyone else?? Oh right I forgot, "dedication" ::)
Yes, you're never going to be a true natural. Once you've done a cycle you have affected the whole system forever whether it be in test production or cellular response to hormones, although it may be minuscule in your case considering how little you've juiced.
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Haha ok I get it, you basically did the basics in bodybuilding nutrition and training that millions of others do as well. How come so few (if any) get same results? Must be your genetics then. Or fat. You keep talking about "dedication" and "hard work". Trust me, you're not the only one doing those things but yet you seem to be a huge statistic anomaly. Why do you expect us to swallow that you've gained 50lbs of lean mass in one year naturally when it's practically impossible for everyone else?? Oh right I forgot, "dedication" ::)
Yes, you're never going to be a true natural. Once you've done a cycle you have affected the whole system forever whether it be in test production or cellular response to hormones, although it may be minuscule in your case considering how little you've juiced.
I really don't think many eat the same, train as hard, for as long, or have good genetics for lifting.
The whole, doing a cycle changes your test production, could only be for the worse. Gear doesn't make your own natural test production better when you stop...haha
Cellular response to hormones, what would that have to do with putting on 50lbs 8 years later with no drugs?
Believe it or not, most people really don't diet correctly or train that hard. Even the ones who do, how many have good genetics for lifting, a small percentage. There you have it. ;)
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I really don't think many eat the same, train as hard, for as long, or have good genetics for lifting.
The whole, doing a cycle changes your test production, could only be for the worse. Gear doesn't make your own natural test production better when you stop...haha
Cellular response to hormones, what would that have to do with putting on 50lbs 8 years later with no drugs?
Believe it or not, most people really don't diet correctly or train that hard. Even the ones who do, how many have good genetics for lifting, a small percentage. There you have it. ;)
Never put much weight on it, just stating the fact you're never 100% natural after a cycle.. whether it is for the better or worse.
Since your initial claim of 50lbs of lean mass you've added "perhaps 35lbs of it is lean muscle", "muscle memory, stopped smoking, change of diet" which makes things more believable. Just now admit that a large portion of the 50lbs was fat and fluids and you're getting closer to the truth. It's still impressive but don't kid yourself.
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Never put much weight on it, just stating the fact you're never 100% natural after a cycle.. whether it is for the better or worse.
Since your initial claim of 50lbs of lean mass you've added "perhaps 35lbs of it is lean muscle", "muscle memory, stopped smoking, change of diet" which makes things more believable. Just now admit that a large portion of the 50lbs was fat and fluids and you're getting closer to the truth. It's still impressive but don't kid yourself.
Yeah, like I stated, probably 35lbs of lean mass. One cycle doesn't change your physique 15 years down the road. Especially, if you keep none of the gains. Whether someone calls it natural/clean, is irrelevant.
I was at most 12% bf. On 200lbs, 24lbs fat. From 150lbs @ 7%bf, 10lbs fat. So, 140lbs dry to 176lbs dry. Yeah, 35lbs lean mass is about accurate there.
If the diet were the same and I only just started lifting, there's no way I'd increase that amount. Tripling your caloric intake, meal frequency, you can make a big change.
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i think i remember Croatch saying that he had been partying and drinking and was kind of skinny at maybe 145-150 pounds and quit the partying and lifted and ate right so i can believe 50 POUNDS TOTAL SCALE WEIGHT but no fuccking way on earth was it 50 pounds of muscle, not even a sauced up Ronnie Coleman could do that.
[/quote CROATCH GOES OUT DRINKING AND EATING LIKE A TRASH CAN......BUT HE THINKS THAT ANABOLICS ARE HARMFUL TO YOUR HEALTH......I LOVE PEOPLE WHO POINT THE FINGER AT BODYBUILDERS WHO USE GEAR......BUT THESE SAME PEOPLE DRINK AND EAT LIKE SHIT.......AND THEY THINK THEY AREN'T HURTING THEIR INSIDES. LOL
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Back in the day Chris Cormier had an impressive chest/traps complex.
Indeed
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50lbs with some muscle memory and radical change in diet, it's not really that hard.
Do different, 3lbs of chicken per day for 6 months, maybe a year. Train hard, creatine. Nothing revolutionary, just plenty consistent.
This was in 2002. I did one cycle in 94', which I kept zero of. I'd consider those natural gains. From A-B, with no drugs.
Of course, people will claim clean, but really makes those feel better about their own shortcomings. It's a tag all the same.
I also smoked weed when I was younger. So, I'm technically a stoner too.
Here's a clip of some pictures.
From :37 to :49 is a one year period 02' - 03', with NO drugs. Damn, at 1:53 I look pretty sick...haha, no drugs either. That was shot in 2005. Creatine, diet, consistent training.
What the fuck is this bullshit barbell wrist curls behind the back? THE BEEF holds a dumbbell in the concentration position and curls THE BEEF'S wrist. More comfortable and more productive.
THE BEEF
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A couple more shots
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A couple more shots
INSANE!!!! CC WAS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE BEST TO EVER STEP ONSTAGE! IMHO
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Dude had the body to be one of the best ever. Could never get his head right.