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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: tbombz on May 14, 2009, 05:21:42 PM
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LOL, did you look at the prices ??!?
I can get the Humatrope for a 1/5th of that under my health insurance.
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I'm on the end of the first part of my summer vacation. The last part that starts on August i will be going to somewhere, where i can get real hgh with a prescription. After that the sky is the limit...
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I splurged on some GH at a pretty mediocre price. I'm regretting it now. Unless you're going to run BIG doses for a long period of time it's not worth it. Mine was legit and it made a difference considering how I used it during PCT, but it wasn't as fantastic as I had hoped. I think we young'ns should wait until we're geezers before using it.
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I splurged on some GH at a pretty mediocre price. I'm regretting it now. Unless you're going to run BIG doses for a long period of time it's not worth it. Mine was legit and it made a difference considering how I used it during PCT, but it wasn't as fantastic as I had hoped. I think we young'ns should wait until we're geezers before using it.
i disagree... people say sometimes "it takes a few months before you get benefits from gh... and you have to run it for at least 3 months to get benefits..."... what they are mistaken though... see, im sur eyou know about this, but lok = ghcreates new muscle cells. thats how it makes you rgow. hyperplasia - not hypertrophy. hyprtrophy is immideite, but hyperplasia, since its new cells completely, will take awhile..because a new cell is small and needs to grow... so 3 months after your firts gh infect.. now youll see what that gh inject did to you...because now those new cells that you created with gh are now finally matured and big ad ready for action...
i bet 3 months of so after your gh stopped then you started getting good gains..
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yeah, but it causes everything to grow... your heart, internal organs, etc...
not enough is known about the long term side effects. many think cancer is a big side (if it causes muscle to grow, then cancer cells will explode)
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i disagree... people say sometimes "it takes a few months before you get benefits from gh... and you have to run it for at least 3 months to get benefits..."... what they are mistaken though... see, im sur eyou know about this, but lok = ghcreates new muscle cells. thats how it makes you rgow. hyperplasia - not hypertrophy. hyprtrophy is immideite, but hyperplasia, since its new cells completely, will take awhile..because a new cell is small and needs to grow... so 3 months after your firts gh infect.. now youll see what that gh inject did to you...because now those new cells that you created with gh are now finally matured and big ad ready for action...
i bet 3 months of so after your gh stopped then you started getting good gains..
Do you know of any data of adult humans experiencing hyperplasia when treated with GH?
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Do you know of any data of adult humans experiencing hyperplasia when treated with GH?
There isn't any that I'm aware of. The assumption is due to the increase in IGF1 from the liver hyperplasia will occur. There are other steroids that cause local cellular IGF1 stimulation such as dianabol but I don't think that causes hyperplasia.
There isn't any data on LR3-IGF1 causing hyperplasia in adult humans either :)
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There isn't any that I'm aware of. The assumption is due to the increase in IGF1 from the liver hyperplasia will occur. There are other steroids that cause local cellular IGF1 stimulation such as dianabol but I don't think that causes hyperplasia.
There isn't any data on LR3-IGF1 causing hyperplasia in adult humans either :)
Yup, I haven't seen any such data either. It's a good selling point for the peptides though.:D
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Found one that suggests hyperplasia may occur with AAS use. The last sentence highlights the limitations of the study.
J Appl Physiol. 1993 Apr;74(4):1893-8.
Effects of anabolic steroids on the muscle cells of strength-trained athletes.
Researchers: Kadi F, Eriksson A, Holmner S, Thornell LE Department of Integrative Medical Biology, Umea University, Sweden.
Source: Med Sci Sports Exerc 1999 Nov;31(11):1528-34
Summary:
Athletes who use anabolic steroids get larger and stronger muscles. How this is reflected at the level of the muscle fibers has not yet been established and was the topic of this investigation.
METHODS: Muscle biopsies were obtained from the trapezius muscles of high-level power lifters who have reported the use of anabolic steroids in high doses for several years and from high-level power lifters who have never used these drugs. Enzyme-immunohistochemical investigation was performed to assess muscle fiber types, fiber area, myonuclear number, frequency of satellite cells, and fibers expressing developmental protein isoforms.
RESULTS: The overall muscle fiber composition was the same in both groups. The mean area for each fiber type in the reported steroid users was larger than that in the nonsteroid users (P < 0.05). The number of myonuclei and the proportion of central nuclei were also significantly higher in the reported steroid users (P < 0.05). Likewise, the frequency of fibers expressing developmental protein isoforms was significantly higher in the reported steroid users group (P < 0.05). [these researchers found embryonic fiber development in the nonsteroid using group as well...just not as much as in the group using.]
CONCLUSION: Intake of anabolic steroids and strength-training induce an increase in muscle size by both hypertrophy and the formation of new muscle fibers (hyperplasia). We propose that activation of satellite cells is a key process and is enhanced by the steroid use. The incorporation of the satellite cells into preexisting fibers to maintain a constant nuclear to cytoplasmic ratio seems to be a fundamental mechanism for muscle fiber growth. Although all the subjects in this study have the same level of performance, the possibility of genetic differences between the two groups cannot be completely excluded.
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well , no, ive never looked into it... it seemed like common sense to me... gh works mainly by igf-1 and mgf and other gowth factors as such...and i believe the only way in which these ar anabolic is via hyperplasia... i assumed gh had no real ability to promote hypertrophy...just hyperplasia...
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if hyperplasia worked I assume it would also make the muscles you do not want get bigger (oblique-abs)
Palumboism ? :)
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if hyperplasia worked I assume it would also make the muscles you do not want get bigger (oblique-abs)
Palumboism ? :)
Palumboism isn't really due to that really, I think, as someone else mentioned, that it has a lot to do with cholesterol meds for long periods of time while abusing steroids and other shit.
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Palumboism isn't really due to that really, I think, as someone else mentioned, that it has a lot to do with cholesterol meds for long periods of time while abusing steroids and other shit.
yeah it's complicated.
but as I stated, if hgh really cause hyperplasia, the waist would get thicker for sure
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is hyperplasia possible naturally, high calorie,, heavy training...
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read betwen the line...
"high-level power lifters who have reported the use of anabolic steroids in high doses for several years" = at least 1 gram/week off season, 3 gram/week 12 weeks before a competition
"and from high-level power lifters who have never used these drugs." = 500mg 12 weeks before a competition.
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Palumboism isn't really due to that really, I think, as someone else mentioned, that it has a lot to do with cholesterol meds for long periods of time while abusing steroids and other shit.
I've never heard that theory before. Would you mind going into more detail?
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well , no, ive never looked into it... it seemed like common sense to me... gh works mainly by igf-1 and mgf and other gowth factors as such...and i believe the only way in which these ar anabolic is via hyperplasia... i assumed gh had no real ability to promote hypertrophy...just hyperplasia...
This was my understanding as well.
Would lead one to believe that a 4-6month run of GH, followed by a nice 16-20wk AAS cycle would be optimal. In fact that's my plan next. Although Stav seems to be having good results running at the same time. I was of the opinion that the hyperplasia created muscle fibers that GH creates, would be immature and would benefit from training and the completion of the GH cycle before they would be "ready" for AAS. Is that not correct ?
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Just take GH and AAS year round. It works better. ;D
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This was my understanding as well.
Would lead one to believe that a 4-6month run of GH, followed by a nice 16-20wk AAS cycle would be optimal. In fact that's my plan next. Although Stav seems to be having good results running at the same time. I was of the opinion that the hyperplasia created muscle fibers that GH creates, would be immature and would benefit from training and the completion of the GH cycle before they would be "ready" for AAS. Is that not correct ?
I wouldn't waste the GH by not doing steroids at the same time. They are complimentary and have additive effects, possibly synergistic too. Of course if you have unlimited funds and were planning to stay off steroids anyway for 6 months, why not, run the GH in the off period to see if the next cycle is better.
The hyperplasia thing is highly theoretical, hasn't yet been demonstrated to happen.
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The hyperplasia thing is highly theoretical, hasn't yet been demonstrated to happen.
well, isnt that what it does, creates totally new muscle cells (instead of enlarging existing ones) ?
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well, isnt that what it does, creates totally new muscle cells (instead of enlarging existing ones) ?
That's what I don't know. If it does, to what extent does it do it and at what dosage and use duration? The study I posted suggests AAS may do it. Haven't seen anything similar looking at GH. I suppose they could biopsy GH treated HIV patients but AFAIK that hasn't been done.
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That's what I don't know. If it does, to what extent does it do it and at what dosage and use duration? The study I posted suggests AAS may do it. Haven't seen anything similar looking at GH. I suppose they could biopsy GH treated HIV patients but AFAIK that hasn't been done.
i remember a post you made about nolva and clomid for pct use and how only comid had studies showign a boost in test... and you said while that might be true that you had aa feeling that anything that clomid does nolva will do it too..... and i totally agree with that as they do basically the same thing (as far as body composition /hormonal effects ar conerned).... now i think the same "common sense conclusion" could be done here... there isnt any solid proof showing that it happens... but we know that that is how it works..so its safe to say that thats whats happening...
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i remember a post you made about nolva and clomid for pct use and how only comid had studies showign a boost in test... and you said while that might be true that you had aa feeling that anything that clomid does nolva will do it too..... and i totally agree with that as they do basically the same thing (as far as body composition /hormonal effects ar conerned).... now i think the same "common sense conclusion" could be done here... there isnt any solid proof showing that it happens... but we know that that is how it works..so its safe to say that thats whats happening...
Yeah I agree that you can draw pretty well supported conclusions without definitive data sometimes but I'm pretty cautious saying something is fact before seeing hard data. Because it often doesn't work like you would think. Serono has tried to prove GH causes muscle growth but from what I can see they still haven't proven it actually increases contractile skeletal muscle tissue. It's quite possible GH causes some degree of hyperplasia in skeletal muscle but who knows, maybe steroids do this too, and to a greater extent?
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Yeah I agree that you can draw pretty well supported conclusions without definitive data sometimes but I'm pretty cautious saying something is fact before seeing hard data. Because it often doesn't work like you would think. Serono has tried to prove GH causes muscle growth but from what I can see they still haven't proven it actually increases contractile skeletal muscle tissue. It's quite possible GH causes some degree of hyperplasia in skeletal muscle but who knows, maybe steroids do this too, and to a greater extent?
all I know is that it gives you a certain "look"
don't know why or how but it does !
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Yeah I agree that you can draw pretty well supported conclusions without definitive data sometimes but I'm pretty cautious saying something is fact before seeing hard data. Because it often doesn't work like you would think. Serono has tried to prove GH causes muscle growth but from what I can see they still haven't proven it actually increases contractile skeletal muscle tissue. It's quite possible GH causes some degree of hyperplasia in skeletal muscle but who knows, maybe steroids do this too, and to a greater extent?
i remmber reading once that odybuilders when compared to reguler people have a much larger number of muscle cells. not just larger muscl cells. this would mean that bodybuilding is both hyperplasia and hypertrophy related... and i dont believe this was in aas using or gh using only people... naturals and all bodybuilders.
now if steroids induce hyperplassia.. through what mechanism? its possible its using the same mechanism gh would use, since aas increases gh and igf1 levels significantly...
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man i am going to have to find the research that i read stating that HGH not only makes the existing cells grow but will also promote new cellular growth that will stay with you after useage has stopped
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i remmber reading once that odybuilders when compared to reguler people have a much larger number of muscle cells. not just larger muscl cells. this would mean that bodybuilding is both hyperplasia and hypertrophy related... and i dont believe this was in aas using or gh using only people... naturals and all bodybuilders.
I remember reading that muscle hyperplasia hasn't been demonstrated to occur in humans. This was a long time ago so I don't remember that well but the topic was controversial. Bodybuilders having more cells wasn't considered conclusive evidence since they didn't track them from before they started training. Something like that.
now if steroids induce hyperplassia.. through what mechanism? its possible its using the same mechanism gh would use, since aas increases gh and igf1 levels significantly...
I was thinking the same thing. Many forget that steroids increase GH. The IGF-1 increase is most likely secondary to the GH boost, not because the steroids "go through the liver" (Duchaine's old theory).
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I remember reading that muscle hyperplasia hasn't been demonstrated to occur in humans. This was a long time ago so I don't remember that well but the topic was controversial. Bodybuilders having more cells wasn't considered conclusive evidence since they didn't track them from before they started training. Something like that.
I was thinking the same thing. Many forget that steroids increase GH. The IGF-1 increase is most likely secondary to the GH boost, not because the steroids "go through the liver" (Duchaine's old theory).
i think its a safe conclusion that gh will result in at least some hyperplasia.
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all I know is that it gives you a certain "look"
don't know why or how but it does !
How would you describe that look? I'm just curious to hear someone else's description to see if I view it the same way.
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How would you describe that look? I'm just curious to hear someone else's description to see if I view it the same way.
I know one. Shiny, slippery, girly skin.
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I know one. Shiny, slippery, girly skin.
Not exactly the look I'm going for... :-X ;D
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I have a new girl friend and she works in a pharmacy, I asked her about Humatrope and stuff like that, she already brought me, "tamoxifen, HCG, clomid, testovrion" I would love to get some good GH but it's harder to get than other stuff.
damn bro that is fucking awesome dont over do it though so you can get the gear you need without anyone knowing you should try to get 3-4 amps of test a week and save 2 of them
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How would you describe that look? I'm just curious to hear someone else's description to see if I view it the same way.
for one it seems to get me more vascular ! well my veins appears bigger, I don't see more veins.
it seems like it give you a kind of fullness that I don't get from steroids alone.
a hard clean look.
hard to describe
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i think its a safe conclusion that gh will result in at least some hyperplasia.
In studies and textbooks, hyperplasia can not occur, but like you said . . . i think it's safe to say that it does by using common sense if you really think about it.
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I've always wondered, if gh makes everything grow.....how come pro body builders don't have GIANT cocks?
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I've always wondered, if gh makes everything grow.....how come pro body builders don't have GIANT cocks?
gh15 said that gh will make your cock thicker. I think it is true.
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I have a new girl friend and she works in a pharmacy, I asked her about Humatrope and stuff like that, she already brought me, "tamoxifen, HCG, clomid, testovrion" I would love to get some good GH but it's harder to get than other stuff.
Depends on where you look bro.
Depending on the contracts that they have with their distributors, some pharmacies are required to keep a stock of certain things on hand at all times whether they are receiving scripts for it or not. Or the pharmacy (chain ones like Walgreens, CSV, etc..) might have the option to draw from an affiliated branch. (Despite them being the exact same store - like Walgreens - each will still have their own individual contract with their distributors so they can only use certain pharmacies at certain locations that were named in the contract when it was drafted)
That is why if you ever had the chance to get your hands on a distributors invoice sheet for two pharmacies of the same chain that is located in the same city you would be surprised to see one pharmacy ordering something like 3000 units of ProductXYZ per month (this is just an example), while the other one orders zero. But you can walk into that one that doesn't order ProductXYZ and still get it filled there on the spot because they draw stock from the one that does order so much. This is to help the other pharmacy move their stock and reach the annual contract quota they are binded to without being penalized. You can bet that the other pharmacy does the same in return from that branch with different meds as well in order to meet their contract requirements.
Your girlfriend might work at a pharmacy location (assuming it is a chain type store) that doesn't stock the good stuff you are looking for in adequate quantities. But in either case, you don't risk getting your girlfriend in trouble over it. That is a life long trouble spot for her for such a minor gain.
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Apparently IGF is the better bang for the buck :)
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Depends on where you look bro.
Depending on the contracts that they have with their distributors, some pharmacies are required to keep a stock of certain things on hand at all times whether they are receiving scripts for it or not. Or the pharmacy (chain ones like Walgreens, CSV, etc..) might have the option to draw from an affiliated branch. (Despite them being the exact same store - like Walgreens - each will still have their own individual contract with their distributors so they can only use certain pharmacies at certain locations that were named in the contract when it was drafted)
That is why if you ever had the chance to get your hands on a distributors invoice sheet for two pharmacies of the same chain that is located in the same city you would be surprised to see one pharmacy ordering something like 3000 units of ProductXYZ per month (this is just an example), while the other one orders zero. But you can walk into that one that doesn't order ProductXYZ and still get it filled there on the spot because they draw stock from the one that does order so much. This is to help the other pharmacy move their stock and reach the annual contract quota they are binded to without being penalized. You can bet that the other pharmacy does the same in return from that branch with different meds as well in order to meet their contract requirements.
Your girlfriend might work at a pharmacy location (assuming it is a chain type store) that doesn't stock the good stuff you are looking for in adequate quantities. But in either case, you don't risk getting your girlfriend in trouble over it. That is a life long trouble spot for her for such a minor gain.
Hey bro,
She already gave me some tamoxifen, some testovirion, hcg, clomid and andriol. I asked her about GH and she has the humatrope in stock but this is to hard to take. She told me that if I can get a prescritption, even a fake one, she can get me the GH but I won't try it, I dont want her to get trouble.
As you said, she has to order a lot of the stuff because she doesn't have everything in stock. The pharmacy where she works is a rich phramacy for rich people.
Anyway, Im really happy so I can get some real HG stuff and that's awesome. She also gave me some stuff for my liver. And now I have also someone that can gave me injection in the buts.
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Well in that case i'm getting some ASAP....as soon as i find a local source for some lol.